Pool Nation Podcast

In episode 286 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesus is joined by co-hosts John “JJ Flawless” and Zac “The Pool Boy” Nicholas for a powerful, honest conversation about training, readiness, and real-world skill development in the pool industry. With trade show season, boot camps, and certifications ramping up, the guys break down the difference between consuming information and being truly prepared to execute in the field. They explore why watching videos and attending classes feels productive—but often falls short when real-life variables, customers, and safety risks enter the picture. You’ll hear why: Information alone doesn’t equal competence Pools are one of the most challenging environments to learn in Repetition, practice, and hands-on training matter more than ever “Figuring it out on the fly” has been normalized—and why that’s a problem The right education now leads to fewer mistakes, more confidence, and more time with your family later This episode is a must-listen for pool service techs, repair techs, builders, retailers, and business owners who want to stop guessing, sharpen their skills, and approach training with the right mindset in 2026. ⏱️ Episode Timestamps (Chapters) 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:00 – Why this conversation about training matters right now 03:30 – Kicking off 2026 & returning to show season 08:00 – Industry shout-outs & community updates 10:00 – Trade shows, boot camps & upcoming Pool Nation events 16:30 – Upskilling vs. reskilling: what pool pros actually need 18:30 – Information vs. training: why most education doesn’t stick 22:30 – Why confidence disappears in the field 27:00 – YouTube learning vs. real-world execution 31:30 – Why repetition and practice are missing in education 36:30 – Sponsor break 41:00 – Why pools are one of the hardest environments to learn in 47:00 – Working alone in backyards & pressure from homeowners 52:30 – The danger of “figuring it out on the fly” 58:30 – How the industry must evolve training standards 01:06:00 – Final thoughts: education now = freedom later 01:19:00 – Closing & where to see Pool Nation next   Sponsors (Thank You) Big thank you to our sponsors for supporting Pool Pros and helping us keep the education and conversations rolling: SPPA • Blu-ray XL • AquaStar Pool Products • Natural Chemistry • Raypak • Heritage Pool Supply • Hayward Pool Products • Poolside Tech • US Motors / Nidec Also, thank you to Pool Invoice and PoolManUniversity.com for supporting pool industry training and business systems.

In episode 285 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesús sits down with leadership expert Leanne De Jesús for an in-depth conversation on how pool business owners, service techs, retailers, and builders can grow without burning out, falling behind, or constantly starting over. What is upskilling? Upskilling means improving and expanding the skills you already use in your role — not changing careers, but getting better, smarter, and more effective at what you’re already doing. In the pool industry, upskilling can look like: Developing leadership and people-management skills Improving pricing, financial clarity, and decision-making Learning new equipment, technology, and automation Building sales and customer communication skills Training your team so the business doesn’t rely only on you Reskilling, on the other hand, is learning an entirely new role or function — like moving from service into building, retail, or management. Throughout this episode, Edgar and Leanne break down why most frustration, burnout, and leadership struggles aren’t people problems — they’re skill gaps. They also explain why access to information alone doesn’t create better leaders, and how structure, mentorship, and intentional learning are what actually drive growth. Whether you’re a one-truck operator or scaling a multi-location business, this conversation will help you: Understand when to upskill vs when to reskill Recognize early signs of burnout and stagnation Build stronger leaders and more accountable teams Create growth without chaos Shift from operator thinking to owner thinking This episode isn’t about working harder — it’s about thinking differently so your business can grow with clarity and control. ⏱️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:05 – Why upskilling and reskilling matter right now 03:00 – Pool Nation events, shows, and upcoming education 06:10 – What upskilling really looks like in real life 09:45 – AI, technology, and staying relevant 13:20 – How pool pros upskill without realizing it 16:10 – The difference between upskilling and reskilling 18:50 – When you should reskill vs improve your current skills 21:40 – Why people think they need to quit when they really need new skills 25:10 – Learning, testing, applying, and sharing knowledge 30:00 – Burnout, overwhelm, and hidden skill gaps 33:10 – Leadership problems vs skill problems 37:20 – Why information alone doesn’t create better leaders 40:50 – Time, structure, and intentional learning 44:30 – Sponsor break 46:00 – Upskilling business owners for growth and scale 50:30 – Hiring for skill vs hiring for personality 55:10 – Upskilling pool techs: sales, safety, and trust 1:01:40 – Retail teams, product knowledge, and relationships 1:07:30 – Why training fails without structure 1:12:00 – Train-the-trainer mindset and leadership confidence 1:17:40 – Why guided learning and mentorship matter 1:21:10 – The most important mindset shift: growth mindset 1:26:30 – Final thoughts and takeaways 1:30:00 – Closing remarks and where to find Pool Nation 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors A huge thank you to our visionary partners who make Pool Nation education possible: SPPA –  US Motors (Nidec) –  Blu-Ray XL –  AquaStar Pool Products –  Natural Chemistry –  Raypak – Hayward Pool Products –  Heritage Pool Supply Your support helps us continue to educate, elevate, and strengthen the pool industry.

In episode 284 of the Pool Nation Podcast, we sit down with Rocco Russo, the 2025 Pool Nation Trainer of the Year, to break down what it really takes to become an elite pool professional. Rocco shares his journey from the HVAC and mechanical trades into the pool industry, how early failures shaped his career, and why confidence, training, and preparation are the true differentiators between average techs and top performers. This is not just a conversation about equipment — it’s about mindset, leadership, and professionalism in the pool service and repair industry. We dig deep into: Why most pool techs undervalue themselves How proper training builds confidence and profitability The parallels between HVAC, mechanical systems, and modern pool equipment Why calling tech support is a strength — not a weakness How trainers and manufacturers can elevate the entire industry together Whether you’re a new pool tech, a seasoned repair pro, or a business owner trying to level up your team, this episode delivers insight you can apply immediately. 👉 If you care about doing the job right, charging what you’re worth, and building a sustainable pool business, this is a must-listen episode. ⏱️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 02:00 – Introducing 2025 Trainer of the Year, Rocco Russo 06:30 – Rocco’s early career in HVAC & mechanical systems 14:45 – First pool heater failure & lessons learned the hard way 22:30 – Why pool techs need confidence, not just tools 32:00 – Training vs. guessing in the field 44:15 – Manufacturer support & why tech support matters 55:30 – Selling value, not price 1:09:00 – What separates average techs from elite professionals 1:25:00 – Rocco’s transition into training & industry impact 1:38:00 – Winning Trainer of the Year & final reflections 1:55:00 – Final thoughts on leadership, education, and growth 🤝 Thank You to Our Visionary Partners This episode is brought to you by our Pool Nation Visionary Sponsors, who continue to support education, training, and growth in the pool industry: SPPA (Swimming Pool Pro Alliance) Blu-Ray XL AquaStar Pool Products Natural Chemistry Raypak Heritage Pool Supply Hayward Pool Products PoolSide Tech Pool Brain Nidec / U.S. Motors We appreciate your continued commitment to elevating pool professionals across the country.

Pool Nation Podcast Episode 283, a special “best of” style episode packed with real conversations, pool industry insights, and business lessons for pool service, repair, and retail pros. Edgar, John “JJ Flawless,” and Zac “the Pool Boy” kick things off with a quick reset for the new year, including Edgar’s recap from the BioGuard (BioLab) retailer conference in Tulum, Mexico, plus what Pool Pros should focus on as the season ramps up. From there, this compilation jumps into some of the most talked-about topics in the industry: marketing and branding, algae prevention and green pool recovery, a full backyard and pool giveaway, and the legal side of hiring and HR that most pool companies struggle to navigate. The episode wraps with a fun behind-the-scenes conversation with Pool Pro Magazine about creativity, industry trends, and what it takes to produce standout content in the pool world. If you want a single episode that covers pool business growth, pool marketing, algae troubleshooting, hiring compliance, and industry community, this one delivers. Chapter Timestamps 00:00:00 Welcome to Pool Nation + January reset, season ramp-up, and BioGuard conference recap in Tulum 00:05:00 Crystal Rael (SMP + Ultra Lift): marketing, branding foundations, and leading two companies 00:16:00 Alicia Stephens: why algae is worse this year, chlorine costs, prevention strategy, and treatment approaches 00:33:00 Sponsor break 00:43:00 Josh Sherwood: his story in business and the backyard + pool giveaway (how nominations work) 00:53:00 Leanne: HR and the legal side of hiring, compliance resources, and how to protect your business decisions 01:03:00 Sponsor break 01:07:00 Megan Kendrick (Pool Pro Magazine): behind-the-scenes content creation, industry trends, and the shoot stories 01:14:40 Closing message + where to find Pool Nation, Pool Invoice, and Pool Man University Sponsors (Thank You) Big thank you to our sponsors for supporting Pool Pros and helping us keep the education and conversations rolling: SPPA • Blu-ray XL • AquaStar Pool Products • Natural Chemistry • Raypak • Heritage Pool Supply • Hayward Pool Products • Poolside Tech • US Motors / Nidec Also, thank you to Pool Invoice and PoolManUniversity.com for supporting pool industry training and business systems.

In Episode 282 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar breaks down why financial clarity—not activity—is what actually creates control in your pool business. If you’ve ever felt stressed, overwhelmed, or unsure why your business feels heavy even when it’s growing, this episode will hit home. Edgar explains the illusion of control that many pool pros live in and walks through the three numbers every pool business owner must know to build a stable, profitable operation: Average rate per pool • Cost per pool • Net margin This episode is designed specifically for January, when pool businesses finally have breathing room to slow down, think clearly, and make intentional decisions before the busy season hits. Edgar shares real-world lessons from his own journey—from running routes himself to scaling a business—and explains why avoiding your numbers doesn’t eliminate problems, it only delays them. If you’re serious about building a pool business that pays you, protects you, and doesn’t rely on constant hustle to survive, this episode will help you reset how you think about money, growth, and leadership in 2026. 🎯 This episode is for: • Pool service business owners • Pool repair professionals • One-man operations and growing teams • Anyone feeling busy but financially uncertain ⏱️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:00 – Why being busy doesn’t mean your business is healthy 05:00 – The illusion of control in pool businesses 08:00 – Why clarity creates control (and reduces stress) 12:00 – Guessing vs knowing your numbers 18:00 – The three numbers that actually matter 24:00 – Average rate per pool: growth vs dilution 30:00 – Cost per pool and emotional pricing decisions 35:00 – Net margin: the difference between a business and a risky job 40:00 – Why not paying yourself is a warning sign 44:00 – What happens when you avoid your numbers 52:00 – How uncertainty creates burnout 58:00 – Why January is the most important month for clarity 1:05:00 – Using slow season to reset before peak season 1:11:00 – Final thoughts: clarity over comfort 1:13:00 – Closing remarks and 2026 outlook 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors A huge thank you to the visionary partners who make the Pool Nation Podcast possible: SPPA • Blu-ray XL • AquaStar Pool Products • Natural Chemistry • Raypak • Heritage Pool Supply • Hayward Pool Products • Poolside Tech • US Motors / Nidec Your continued support helps Pool Nation deliver real-world education, business clarity, and leadership insights to pool pros across the industry.  

In Episode 281 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesus dives into a topic most pool business owners aren’t prepared for - what really happens after you raise your prices. You’ve done the hard part. You ran the numbers. You sent the email. You raised your rates. But then comes the silence… the second guessing… and the fear. This episode focuses on the first 90 days after a price increase, breaking down the emotional, financial, and leadership shifts pool pros experience during this critical window. Edgar explains why post-increase anxiety is normal, how to avoid self-sabotage, and how understanding your true cost per pool transforms pricing from an emotional decision into a leadership strategy. You’ll learn why losing a few customers isn’t failure, how margin creates stability (not just profit), and how aligned pricing leads to calmer leadership, better customers, and a stronger business long-term. If you’re a pool service owner, repair pro, or business operator who wants to raise prices with confidence and keep control of your business after you do - this episode is a must-listen. 🎧 Topics include: The psychology of pricing after you hit “send” Why silence after a rate increase feels dangerous (but isn’t) The difference between emotional vs intentional pricing Understanding true cost per pool and margin protection Why fewer pools can actually mean more profit How pricing affects leadership, stress, and customer retention What to do with new margin (and what NOT to do) Why strong businesses wait 90 days before reacting This episode is part of the Pool Nation Winter Business Series and is designed to help pool pros stop surviving — and start leading. Pool Nation 27th Dec Episode Tr… ⏱️ Episode Timestamps (YouTube / Spotify / SEO Friendly) 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:10 – Today’s Topic: You Raised Your Prices… Now What? 03:40 – Why the Silence After a Price Increase Feels So Uncomfortable 06:30 – Intentional Pricing vs Emotional Pricing 10:05 – Fear Source #1: Being Underpaid for Too Long 12:00 – Fear Source #2: Emotional Attachment to Customers 14:30 – Fear Source #3: Equating Customer Loss With Failure 17:00 – Why Margin Is Protection, Not Extra Money 20:10 – Understanding True Cost Per Pool 24:00 – Why One Billing Cycle Never Tells the Whole Story 28:00 – Sponsor Break 31:30 – Real Customer Behavior After Price Increases 35:00 – Filtering vs Losing Customers 38:20 – Why Better Customers Matter More Than More Customers 42:00 – How Aligned Pricing Changes Leadership 46:00 – What To Do With Your New Margin 52:30 – Leadership, Strategy, and Long-Term Pricing Reviews 59:00 – Final Thoughts & 2026 Outlook 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors A huge thank you to our Visionary Partners for supporting the Pool Nation Podcast and the pool pro community: SPPA (Swimming Pool Pro Alliance) Blu-Ray XL AquaStar Pool Products Natural Chemistry Raypak Heritage Pool Supply Hayward Pool Products PoolSide Tech Pool Brain US Motors / Nidec Your continued support helps Pool Nation deliver real education, real tools, and real results for pool professionals everywhere.

In episode 280 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesus is joined by co-host Zach “The Pool Boy” Nicholas for Part 5 of the Winter Business Series, where they break down one of the hardest decisions pool service business owners face: how to raise prices with confidence — without losing customers. Raising prices can feel uncomfortable, emotional, and risky — especially when you’ve worked hard to build your route. Edgar and Zach walk through the real math, the mental hurdles, and the practical strategies pool pros need to protect their margins, improve profitability, and build a sustainable business in today’s changing economy. You’ll learn: Why waiting to raise prices actually makes it harder later How to communicate price increases clearly and professionally What customers really care about (hint: it’s not just price) Why losing a few low-margin accounts can actually grow your business How profitability, consistency, and service quality drive customer retention This episode is packed with real-world examples, mindset shifts, and actionable advice for pool service business owners who want to stop underpricing their work and start running a business that supports their life — not drains it. 👉 Next week: Edgar and Zach continue the conversation with a deep dive into customer retention and value-based service. ⏱️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 – Christmas intro & end-of-year reflection 01:30 – Why raising prices feels so uncomfortable for pool pros 05:45 – The hidden cost of not knowing your numbers 10:15 – When is the right time to raise prices? 14:30 – Why waiting actually makes price increases worse 20:00 – How to communicate price increases clearly and confidently 26:30 – What customer pushback really looks like 33:00 – Losing customers vs. building a healthier business 41:00 – Real-world math: fewer pools, more profit 48:00 – Handling common objections (“I can find someone cheaper”) 54:00 – Fixed-income customers & tough emotional decisions 59:00 – Why customers actually leave pool companies 1:05:30 – Final thoughts & preview of Part 6 (Customer Retention) 🙌 Thank You to Our Podcast Sponsors A huge thank you to our Pool Nation Podcast sponsors for supporting pool pros and helping us deliver real education to the industry: SPPA (Swimming Pool Pro Alliance) Blu-Ray XL AquaStar Pool Products Natural Chemistry Raypak Heritage Pool Supply Hayward Pool Products Poolside Tech Pool Brain Nidec / US Motors Your continued support helps elevate education, professionalism, and profitability across the pool industry.

In episode 279 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesus is joined by co-hosts Zach “The Pool Boy” Nicholas and John “JJ Flawless” for Part 4 of the Winning Business Series, diving deep into one of the most misunderstood — and most important — topics in the pool industry: profit margins. This conversation goes far beyond “raise your prices.” Edgar and Zac break down why margin is the real indicator of business health, how to calculate your true cost per pool, and how to build pricing that actually supports growth, stability, and long-term success. You’ll learn why dollar profit alone is fragile, how thin margins quietly destroy pool businesses, and how the Good / Better / Best pricing model can protect your margins while giving customers choice — especially in a market where consumer confidence is tightening. The episode also covers: How hidden leaks like drive time, chemical creep, and non-billable labor eat away at profits Why knowing your numbers removes fear from price increases How to prepare your routes and customers before raising rates Why winter is the best time to fix your pricing for the year ahead If you’re heading into 2026 without absolute clarity on your pricing, margins, and profitability, this episode is a must-listen for pool service owners, repair techs, and business leaders who want to stop guessing and start building intentionally. ⏱️ Episode Timestamps [00:00:00] Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast & show intro [00:01:00] Part 4 of the Winning Business Series begins [00:02:30] Why solo podcasts feel different & listener feedback [00:04:00] AquaStar Golden Ticket experience & behind-the-scenes factory tour [00:08:30] Industry culture, leadership, and why AquaStar stands out [00:11:00] Recap of hidden profit leaks from previous episodes [00:14:00] Why margins matter more than dollar profit [00:16:30] Understanding margin percentages (20%, 30%, 40%, 50%+) [00:19:00] Real-world examples of margin failure in pool businesses [00:22:00] How to calculate your true cost per pool [00:24:00] Building pricing based on math — not emotion [00:26:00] Why knowing your numbers changes how you sell [00:29:00] Sponsor break [00:34:00] Good / Better / Best pricing explained [00:38:00] Consumer psychology and why most customers choose “Better” [00:41:00] Using tiered pricing for service and repairs [00:44:00] Preparing for a price increase the right way [00:47:00] Reviewing routes and identifying problem pools [00:50:00] Why winter is the best time to fix pricing [00:54:00] Final thoughts on margins, growth, and confidence [00:56:00] Teaser for Part 5: How to announce price increases [00:57:00] Show outro & where to find Pool Nation resources    🙌 Thank You to Our Sponsors A huge thank you to our visionary partners who make the Pool Nation Podcast possible: SPPA (Swimming Pool Pro Alliance) AquaStar Pool Products Blu-Ray XL Natural Chemistry Raypak Heritage Pool Supply Hayward Pool Products Poolside Tech Pool Brain Nidec / US Motors Your continued support helps us bring real business education to pool pros everywhere.

In Episode 278 of Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar and Todd broadcast straight from the AquaStar Studio in Ventura, California, where they sit down with two incredible industry leaders: Michelle Watson (Shell’s Pool & Spa) and Max O’Brien (Ventura Pool Pro & IPSA Region 2 Officer). In this powerful, conversation-driven episode, Michelle and Max open up about their journey as pool professionals, navigating growth, scaling challenges, commercial vs. residential service, hiring, California compliance, and the moment every pool pro faces — letting go and trusting a team. Michelle shares how she built a thriving business, her passion for doing things the right way, and how she balances entrepreneurship with surfing three times a week. Max dives into his 24-year pool career, commercial expertise, IPSA leadership, and his unbelievable work with the Ventura County Sheriff’s Underwater Search & Rescue Team, including helicopter deployment training and real recovery missions. This episode is full of leadership, inspiration, business insight, and a deep look at the people elevating the swimming pool industry every single day. Perfect for pool pros who want to grow, lead, and take their business to the next level. Timestamps / Chapters 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast Kickoff from AquaStar’s studio; Todd, Edgar & crew set the tone for the night. 01:00 – Golden Ticket Event & First Laughs Behind the scenes, late-night jokes, and studio vibes. 03:00 – Edgar Discovers AquaStar’s Hidden Detail A deep reflection on culture, quality, and details inside AquaStar HQ. 05:00 – Shoutouts & Getting Started Celebrating the Instagram Live audience and diving into the episode. 05:30 – Introducing Michelle Watson Pool Girl of the Year 2022, the creator behind the legendary Awards Afterparty, and a powerhouse entrepreneur. 07:00 – Michelle’s Journey: From Solo Operator to Scaling a Team Trusting employees, handling growth, onboarding, preparing for W-2s, and running a business in California. 10:00 – Residential vs. Commercial Pools Why Michelle prefers commercial service and how she navigates health department regulations. 13:00 – Surfing, Balance & Burnout Prevention How Michelle stays grounded and energized while growing her business. 16:00 – Family, Business & Raising Hard Workers Her son’s journey, firefighting dreams, and working alongside family. 18:00 – The Psychology of Scaling a Pool Business Letting go, employee mistakes, customer expectations, and the fear every owner faces. 20:00 – Building a Model That Works Anywhere Charging correctly, doing things legally, and proving success is possible even in tough markets. 23:00 – Introducing Max O’Brien Commercial specialist, remodel expert, and long-time Ventura pool pro. 24:00 – How Max Got Into the Industry From hotel maintenance → equipment installs → building pools → launching his own company. 26:00 – Operating a 130-Pool Service Company Commercial routes, 5-day-a-week accounts, and running teams. 28:00 – Max on Education, IPSA & Training the Next Generation Why he teaches, how he trains, and preparing techs to become future entrepreneurs. 31:00 – Inside IPSA Ventura: The Most Active Chapter in California Education, manuals, sick-route/tech-for-tech coverage, outreach, and 64-member collaboration. 34:00 – Tech-for-Tech Stories That Define the Industry Real examples of chapters covering full routes during illness, injury, and tragedy. 39:00 – Max’s Second Life: Underwater Search & Rescue His 20-year role with the Ventura County Sheriff’s Dive Team — car recoveries, searches, evidence retrieval, and blind-water operations. 41:00 – Jumping Out of Helicopters What helicopter deployments are really like (spoiler: full scuba gear and 35-foot drops). 43:00 – Recoveries, Emotions & Mental Resilience How divers process tough calls and why closure for families matters. 47:00 – Final Thoughts from Michelle & Max Business advice, industry inspiration, and the motor that pushes great pros forward. 50:00 – Closing Words from Edgar & Todd Celebrating leadership, professionalism, and elevating the pool service industry. 🙏 Sponsors A huge thank you to our amazing sponsors who make the Pool Nation Podcast possible and continue supporting education, innovation, and professionalism within the pool industry: AquaStar Pool Products Blu-Ray XL Raypak Poolside Tech – The Attendant Heritage Pool Supply Group Biolab SPPA – Pool Brain Nidec Hayward Your support helps us bring powerful stories and industry-changing conversations to pool pros everywhere.

In this episode of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar continues the Winter Business Series with Part 3: uncovering the hidden leaks that silently destroy profitability in your pool service business. If you’ve ever felt like you’re working harder than ever but your bank account doesn’t show it, this episode is for you. Edgar breaks down five of the biggest hidden profit leaks in a pool route: drive time and windshield time, chemical creep (especially in summer), non-billable labor and callbacks, bad route design, and overlooked office and equipment costs like tires, brakes, laptops, phones, software, and printers. He walks through real-world examples using cost-per-pool and burdened labor rate so you can see exactly how “small” inefficiencies quietly erase thousands of dollars in profit every year. You’ll learn how to tighten your routes, track true chemical costs per stop, factor in non-billable time, and build office/vehicle replacement cycles into your pricing so unexpected breakdowns don’t become financial emergencies. This episode sets you up for the next part of the series, where Edgar will dive into margins, good–better–best pricing, and how to build new rates for 2026 based on your real cost per pool. Whether you’re just starting your pool route or you’re scaling with multiple trucks and techs, this is a must-listen if you want to price profitably, protect your margins, and avoid burnout. Chapter Timestamps [00:00:00] Intro & Welcome – Winter Business Series Part 3 [00:01:00] Recap of Cost-Per-Pool & Why Hidden Leaks Matter [00:04:30] The “Invisible” Profit Killers in a Pool Service Business [00:05:30] Hidden Leak #1 – Drive Time & Windshield Time vs. True Labor Cost [00:13:30] Hidden Leak #2 – Chemical Creep, Summer Usage & Per-Stop Chem Costs [00:20:30] Hidden Leak #3 – Non-Billable Labor, Callbacks & Burnout [00:30:30] Sponsor Break [00:34:30] Zach’s “Micro Tasks” Concept & How It Ties Into Profit Leaks [00:36:00] Hidden Leak #4 – Bad Route Design & Route Density Fixes [00:44:00] Hidden Leak #5 – Office, Trucks & Equipment Leaks (Tires, Brakes, Laptops, Phones, Software) [00:56:00] Final Sponsor Break [01:00:30] Final Thoughts, Next Episode Teaser & Encouragement for Pool Pros [01:04:15] Outro – Pool Man University & Where to Learn More Sponsor Thank-You (for show notes) A huge thank you to our visionary partners for supporting the Pool Nation Podcast and the Winter Business Series: The SPPA –  Blu-Ray XL –  US Motors / Nidec –  AquaStar Pool Products –  Natural Chemistry –  Raypak –  Heritage Pool Supply Hayward Pool Products – Poolside Tech Pool Brain Nidec Thank you for your continued support of education and profitability for pool pros.

Pool service pricing has changed — and today we break down the number that decides EVERYTHING in your business: your true cost per pool and cost per stop. In episode 275 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar and Zac go deep into the financial side of running a profitable pool service business. We walk through the 5-minute cost-per-pool calculator, the expenses most pros overlook, how to calculate your real cost per stop, how drive time destroys profitability, and why understanding this number becomes your most powerful business tool heading into 2026. Whether you're a one-pole operator or building a multi-truck operation, this episode will give you the clarity and confidence to price correctly, protect your margins, grow profitably, and eliminate the guesswork. If you’ve ever wondered “How much should I charge?” — THIS is the episode you’ve been waiting for. ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:00 – The intro Edgar finally nailed after 6 years 😂 02:00 – Team updates, nervous presentations & personal branding training 05:00 – Customer retention challenges & why winter months are deceptive 07:00 – Pool guy holidays & California storm stories 09:00 – Price increases for 2026 & what the financial reports are showing 11:00 – Why most pool pros undercharge without realizing it 12:00 – The “aha moment” when you finally calculate your real costs 14:00 – Why small companies MUST learn their cost per pool early 15:00 – The real expenses pool pros forget to include 17:00 – Death by a thousand cuts: the sneaky costs killing your margins 19:00 – Why you don’t need to be a CPA to understand your numbers 20:00 – Step 1 of the 5-Minute Cost-per-Pool Calculator 23:00 – Step 2: Add ALL your expenses (no exceptions) 25:00 – Cost per pool vs cost per stop — and why both matter 28:00 – How cost per stop reveals the “leaks” in your business 30:00 – Why your emotional pricing is hurting your profits 33:00 – The hidden expense that steals thousands: drive time 37:00 – Fuel, maintenance, and the REAL cost of trucks 41:00 – Insurance: the fastest-rising expense in the industry 45:00 – Labor burden explained (your $22/hr tech REALLY costs $28–$30) 49:00 – Red flags to look for when reviewing your chemical spend 54:00 – Office & administrative costs most pros forget to calculate 59:00 – How non-billable hours crush profitability 01:04:00 – Why clarity is the most powerful business advantage 01:10:00 – What’s coming in Part 3: Pricing for 2026 & target margins 🙏 Thank You to Our Visionary Sponsors A huge thank you to our podcast partners and sponsors who make education like this possible: The SPPA – BluRay XL –  AquaStar Pool Products –  Natural Chemistry –  Raypak –  Heritage Pool Supply Group Hayward Pool Products –  Poolside Tech –  Pool Brain NEC / US Motors –  We appreciate your ongoing support and commitment to the pool industry.

In Episode 274 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar and Zac kick off a new business series by tackling the topic most pool pros feel every day but rarely talk about openly: pricing—and how to build real profit into every single service you offer. Fresh off the Pool Nation Conference, the guys recap the buzz around the $10,000 Pool Pro Challenge, shout out this year’s Pool Guy/Girl of the Year and Rookie of the Year winners, and then jump straight into the financial reality of 2025: Equipment prices up 7–9% Chemical costs climbing Insurance and utilities spiking Labor and drive time more expensive than ever Edgar and Zac break down why most pool pros fall behind financially, why so many avoid raising prices until it’s almost too late, and how chasing revenue (more pools, more work) instead of margin (profit per pool) keeps you stuck in the grind. Then they dive into the foundation of your financial health: knowing your true cost-per-pool. They walk through: What really belongs in your cost-per-pool Why your “$20 cost” is probably actually $60+ How drive time, callbacks, office labor, and insurance destroy profit when you ignore them The danger of relying only on apps for chemical costs without looking at what actually leaves your bank account This is Part 1 of a multi-episode series on Pricing Power: Building Profit Into Every Service. By the end of this episode, you’ll see why you need to know your numbers. In the next episodes, they’ll show you how to calculate your cost-per-pool in five minutes, build in margin, raise prices confidently, and keep more of your customers. If you’ve ever looked at your account balance and thought, “Why am I working seven days a week and still feel broke?” …this episode is for you. ⏱️ Episode Chapters / Timestamps [00:00:00] Intro – Pool Nation Podcast opening & show welcome [00:01:00] Edgar sets the stage – Today’s topic: pricing & building profit into every service [00:02:00] Zac on “slow season” that isn’t really slow – using this time to dig into the back end of the business [00:03:00] Post-conference recap – Pool Nation Conference, Awards, $10K Pool Pro Challenge & winners [00:06:00] The reality of 2025 – builders slowing, costs rising everywhere, and what that means for service companies [00:07:00] Equipment price increases – Pentair, Hayward, Jandy and what those jumps mean for your margins [00:09:00] Everything is up – chemicals, supplies, test kits, office supplies, utilities, and why it all creeps up unnoticed [00:11:00] The “loss leader” trap – why weekly maintenance should NOT just be a way to get repairs [00:12:00] Treating each vertical as a micro-business – service, filters, startups, repairs all need to be profitable [00:14:00] Why most pool pros fall behind financially – running on revenue instead of margin [00:16:00] The “busy but broke” problem – working 7 days a week and still not seeing the profit [00:18:00] The power of knowing your numbers – the “aha” moment when techs finally see their true cost [00:19:00] Why pros avoid raising prices – fear of confrontation, customer pushback, and delaying until it’s too late [00:21:00] Reality check – your costs don’t wait just because you’re uncomfortable raising rates [00:23:00] Confidence through clarity – how cost-per-pool gives you certainty in your pricing decisions [00:27:00] What is cost-per-pool really? – total cost vs gross profit and why both matter [00:31:00] Breaking down cost-per-pool – chemicals, labor, payroll tax, workers comp, admin labor, gas & more [00:34:00] Drive time & hidden minutes – the silent profit killer nobody tracks [00:37:00] Vehicle wear and tear – tires, oil changes, brakes and why they belong in your cost [00:38:00] Insurance creep – auto, GL, workers comp and why they keep climbing [00:40:00] Replacing equipment & office gear – computers, printers and where that money really comes from [00:42:00] Scenario math – why your “$30 stop” might only be making you $5–$6 [00:45:00] Hidden leaks – algae treatments, extra time on site, “little favors” and non-billable work [00:48:00] Growth reality – what you can do as a one-poler that breaks you once you have a team [00:51:00] The four phases of business – why what worked at 40 pools won’t work at 200 [00:55:00] App data vs real-world costs – what your app tracks (and what it completely misses) [00:59:00] Edgar’s warning – don’t get lost in 300 individual pools, start with total cost-per-pool [01:01:00] What’s coming in Part 2 – 5-Minute Cost Calculator, margins, price increases & customer retention [01:02:00] Final thoughts – foundational principle: financial wellbeing of pool pros & “know your numbers” 🙌 Thank You to Our Visionary Partners & Sponsors This episode is made possible by our incredible Visionary Partners and sponsors who support education and financial success for pool pros: The SPPA –  Blu-Ray XL – AquaStar Pool Products –  Natural Chemistry –  Raypak –  Heritage Pool Supply Hayward Pool Products – Poolside Tech Pool Brain Nidec US Motors – Thank you all for your continued support of the Pool Nation Podcast and the Pool Nation community.

In this episode 273 of the Pool Nation Podcast, John “JJ Flawless”, Zac the Pool Boy Nicholas, and special guests Tim Moore and Jim D’Angelo from US Motors/Nidec dive deep into one of the biggest changes hitting the pool industry — the new DOE pool pump regulation. They break down what it means for pool professionals, how to stay compliant, and how this regulation can actually become a profitable opportunity. Discover why the Neptune Variable Speed Motor is becoming a must-have for service techs, how it works with existing pumps, automation systems, and time clocks, and how to educate your customers on energy savings without sounding “salesy.” Whether you’re a pool service tech, repair pro, or business owner, this episode will help you stay ahead of the curve — and turn regulation into revenue. Episode Timeline [00:00] Intro: Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast — hosted by John and Zac, with Edgar out of studio. [00:03:00] Guests Introduced: Tim Moore and Jim D’Angelo from US Motors join to talk about DOE regulations. [00:04:00] Regulation Overview: The new DOE rule for replacement motors — what changed since 2021. [00:06:30] Phase Two Coming: The 2027 addendum that will extend variable-speed requirements. [00:09:00] Impact on Pool Pros: How variable speed motors affect day-to-day operations. [00:12:00] The Opportunity for Growth: Turning the regulation into a positive and educating homeowners. [00:15:00] Selling Smart, Not Hard: How to explain energy savings simply and effectively. [00:17:00] Variable Speed Advantage: The Neptune motor’s affordability, efficiency, and flexibility. [00:21:00] Stocking Smarter: How to carry fewer SKUs and save time with the Neptune lineup. [00:23:00] DOE Mode Feature: The “smart mode” that calculates run time and flow for maximum efficiency. [00:27:00] Real Energy Savings: Explaining ROI and the financial benefits to customers. [00:31:00] Compatibility: How Neptune integrates with time clocks, automation, and older systems. [00:37:00] The MAP Policy Conversation: How US Motors is pursuing MAP pricing to protect pool pros. [00:44:00] Time Clocks & Booster Pumps: How to wire and repurpose time clocks with variable speed motors. [00:48:00] Freeze Protection Solutions: Repurposing thermostats for better freeze control. [00:52:00] Automation Systems: Step-by-step on connecting Neptune motors with major automation brands. [00:56:00] Educating Customers: Selling efficiency without sounding like an upsell. [01:00:00] Cleaner, Safer Pools: How proper circulation improves clarity and safety. [01:05:00] Training Resources: Where pros can find installation videos, manuals, and calculators. [01:07:00] Real-World Savings Calculations: How to show customers the dollar value of switching. [01:13:00] Final Thoughts: Why the future is bright for pool pros embracing change. [01:16:00] Outro: Closing thanks and shoutouts to reps across the country. Special Guests Tim Moore, Neptune Sales – US Motors/Nidec Jim D’Angelo, National Sales Manager – US Motors/Nidec Thank You to Our Visionary Sponsors The SPPA –  US Motors / Nidec –  BluRay XL –  AquaStar Pool Products –  Natural Chemistry –  Raypak –  Hayward –  Heritage Pool Supply, Poolside Tech,  Pool Brain –       

In this Episode 272 of the Pool Nation Podcast, we’re bringing together some of the most memorable, powerful, and inspiring moments from across the Pool Nation Podcast. From laughter and lessons to heartbreak and hustle — this episode is packed with real stories from pool pros who are shaping the future of our industry. Hear from Jennifer Melee, Kristen Meow, Megan Hightower, Alicia Rowe, and Casey McGovern as they share life, leadership, and resilience — followed by conversations with Jamie Novak and Chris Marcano from Natural Chemistry, celebrating 35 years of innovation, and a deep-dive with the PHTA team (Sabina Hickman, Jeannie Mendelson, and Jeff Hendrickson) on leadership, education, and uniting the industry. We wrap it up with laughs and insights from Todd Pieri, Corey Wax, and Michael Kraus of AquaStar — talking about the power of team culture, innovation, and community. Whether you’ve been part of the Pool Nation family from the start or you’re new to the show, this episode captures what Pool Nation is all about: education, connection, and raising the bar for pool professionals everywhere. 🔹 Featuring stories on leadership, tragedy and triumph, business culture, product innovation, and the heart behind the pros. 🔹 Brought to you by the Pool Nation Podcast — where we’re building a Nation of Pool Pros. 🕒 Chapter Timestamps Time Segment 00:00 Intro – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:00 “Best Of” setup and guest lineup 03:15 Jennifer, Kristen, Megan & Alicia – Life, business, and laughter in the field 16:30 Casey McGovern – Tragedy, water safety, and the ripple effect 37:45 Natural Chemistry’s 35 Years – Chris Marcano & Jamie Novak on innovation and legacy 1:23:50 AquaStar’s Dream Team – Todd Pieri, Corey Wax & Michael Kraus on culture and teamwork 1:51:40 Closing reflections and Pool Nation updates   🏆 Special Thanks to Our Sponsors This episode is brought to you by the amazing partners who help us raise the tide for the entire pool industry: SPPA –  Raypak –  AquaStar Pool Products – Natural Chemistry –  BluRay XL – TUS Motors / Nidec – Hayward  AquaStar Heritage Pool Supply Nidec Pool Brain Thank you to all our sponsors for supporting education, innovation, and growth within the pool industry.

In episode 271 of the Pool Nation Podcast — where it’s all pool talk (and we ain’t talking about netting and jetting)! In this Best of Pool Nation special, Edgar, John, Zach, and the Cannonball King himself, Spider, host an action-packed lineup featuring Heritage Pool Supply, Aquastar, and the Pool Nation Hall of Fame inductees. Get ready for a mix of laughs, real stories, industry insight, and a few surprises — from distribution and leadership to water safety, Hall of Fame jackets, and even where this year’s After Party might be! Whether you’re a pool pro, supplier, or industry insider, this episode has something for everyone who’s part of the Nation. ⏱️ Chapter Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast – Intro & the Marco Polo Champ Returns 01:30 – The “Best of Pool Nation” and why this episode matters 05:20 – Heritage Pool Supply joins the studio: meet Logan, Jeff, Grayson, Chris & Isaac 13:40 – Real talk from behind the counter: how distribution supports pool pros 24:10 – Building bridges between service, retail, and distribution 33:15 – Spider’s Cannonball & JJ’s “two wake-up mornings” story 41:00 – Aquastar x Every Child a Swimmer – safety, purpose & partnership 56:30 – Casey McGovern, Todd Pierre, and Steve Barnes join the conversation 01:10:00 – Why Aquastar’s partnership goes beyond donations 01:27:40 – The emotional side of leadership & water safety awareness 01:40:00 – Pool Nation Hall of Fame: celebrating legends Steve Barnes & Terry Arko 01:54:00 – Behind the scenes: the jacket redesign & Hall of Fame stories 02:10:00 – Remembering Bob Lowry and how his legacy shaped Pool Nation 02:25:00 – Future of the Pool Nation Awards & 2025 After-Party scouting 02:37:00 – Closing thoughts: unity, education, and the future of our industry 💥 Featured Guests Logan, Jeff, Grayson, Chris, and Isaac – Heritage Pool Supply Casey McGovern – Every Child a Swimmer Todd Pierre & Steve Barnes – Aquastar Pool Products Terry Arko – Industry Hall of Fame Inductee 🙌 Special Thanks to Our Sponsors SPPA – Pool pros’ trusted insurance partner.  US Motors – Neptune Variable Speed Motor: smart, quiet, efficient.  BluRay XL – The real mineral purifier. bluerayxl.com AquaStar Pool Products – Safety, innovation, and performance.  Natural Chemistry – Simplify your service.  Raypak – The future of heating with Nitec™ technology.  Hayward – Innovation that shines bright. 

Episode 270 Pool Nation Podcast. Welcome to a special Best of Pool Nation Podcast episode! This week, we’re celebrating some of the most inspiring and hardworking professionals in the pool industry — the people who embody what it means to be part of a Nation of Pool Pros. In this special feature, Megan Kendrick from Pool Pro Magazine joins Edgar De Jesus to talk with James Broderick, Aiden Dunn, and Nick LaPointe — all nominees for the Pool Nation 30 Under 40 Pool Pro of the Year Award. Hear how James built JB Pools from the ground up, how Aiden grew his family business into a thriving operation, and what drives each of them to raise the bar for service and professionalism. We also feature highlights from powerful interviews with industry leaders like Josh Sandler, CEO of Gold Medal Pools, who shares his family’s multi-generation legacy and how they grew through the 2008 recession, and a fun conversation with Brian Croson, Johnny Davis, Andrew Raglin, and Daniel Nicholas, all nominees for Pool Sales Rep of the Year, sharing stories, laughter, and lessons from the field. 💡 Whether you’re just starting out or running a multi-team operation, these stories remind us why passion, grit, and integrity matter most in the pool industry. 🎧 Listen now to get inspired, laugh with the crew, and celebrate the people moving the pool industry forward. Chapters: 00:00 – Intro: Welcome to the Best of Pool Nation 01:20 – Megan Kendrick joins the show 03:00 – James Broderick on building JB Pools 12:15 – Aiden Dunn’s family legacy and growth 18:50 – Customer trust and service lessons 24:00 – Green-to-Clean of the Month shout-out 27:10 – Interview with Josh Sandler, CEO of Gold Medal Pools 49:00 – Building through the 2008 recession 58:30 – Sales Rep of the Year nominees panel: Brian, Johnny, Andrew & Daniel 1:10:00 – Funny behind-the-scenes moments 1:20:00 – Final thoughts and wrap-up

In Episode 269 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesus sits down with Megan Kendrick from Pool Pro Magazine and the incredible female nominees from the Pool Nation Awards 30 Under 40 — Nelly Allen, Katie Morrissey, Maddy Vandiver, and Sarah Hoopes. These powerhouse women share their journeys, challenges, and the lessons they’ve learned while shaping the pool industry’s future. From leadership and training to innovation and resilience, each story highlights the strength and passion behind the next generation of pool pros. 💡 What You’ll Learn: How each nominee built their career and broke through barriers Leadership lessons from women redefining success in the pool industry Balancing personal growth, mentorship, and career in a demanding trade Behind-the-scenes stories from Pool Pro Magazine’s 30 Under 40 What to expect at the Pool Nation Awards in Las Vegas 🎧 A must-listen for anyone passionate about growth, recognition, and empowering women in the pool industry.   🕒 Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Pool Nation Podcast 01:00 – Introducing Megan Kendrick & the Queen of Marco Polo 02:00 – Shoutout to sponsors and audience 04:00 – Meet the 30 Under 40 Female Nominees 06:00 – How Nelly transitioned from hospitality to the pool industry 10:00 – The evolution and impact of Amenity Collective 15:00 – Customer service lessons from hospitality to pool service 20:00 – Building communication and customer trust 25:00 – Katie’s journey from Happy Pools to Aquastar 28:00 – Surviving California wildfires and rebuilding a business 35:00 – Wiring pumps and the $10K Pool Pro Challenge 40:00 – Maddy’s journey from lifeguard to industry trainer 45:00 – Leadership through teaching and empowering technicians 50:00 – Managing large teams and running a thriving Atlanta company 55:00 – Sarah’s story: from swim instructor to GM in Arizona 58:00 – Leading a 700-pool operation under Arizona’s heat 01:02:00 – Running marathons and pushing limits 01:05:00 – The importance of education and community in the pool industry 01:07:00 – Closing thoughts and invitation to the Pool Nation Awards 💙 Special Thanks to Our Sponsors This episode is brought to you by our Visionary Partners, who help make the Pool Nation Podcast possible: 🌟 The SPPA – The premier insurance provider for pool pros 🌟 Blu-Ray XL 🌟 AquaStar Pool Products 🌟 Natural Chemistry 🌟 Raypak 🌟 Heritage Pool Supply 🌟 Hayward Pool Products 🌟 Poolside Tech 🌟 Pool Brain 🌟 Nidec Thank you for your continued support in driving education, recognition, and excellence across the pool industry.

In Episode 268 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar, Zac, and Spider sit down with Alicia Stephens and Ted Lawrence from BioLab to uncover what really goes into developing the pool products we all use. From the first spark of an idea to the science labs, testing pools, and final packaging, you’ll hear how innovation happens in the world of pool chemistry. Discover how products like phosphate removers, enzymes, and multi-purpose chlorine tabs are developed, tested, and approved. Ted and Alicia pull back the curtain on research & development, product testing, AI-powered education tools, and even wild stories from their labs (yes — human hair testing and “bather waste” simulations are real). The team also talks about AI’s growing role in education and production at BioLab, industry collaboration, and the importance of elevating the pool industry through innovation and training. Perfect for service pros, retailers, and manufacturers who want to understand how products are made and why quality matters. [00:00] Intro and opening banter with Spider, Alicia, and Ted [00:06] $10,000 Pool Pro Challenge and Pool Nation Awards update [00:10] Pool Nation Conference overview — tracks and classes [00:14] Introducing BioLab’s innovation process (“Napkin to Shelf”) [00:18] How ideas become products & the role of formulation chemists [00:23] Wild testing methods — human hair, bather waste & lab pools [00:26] Product safety, shelf life & field testing in real pools [00:31] Encapsulated chlorine tabs and BioLab’s manufacturing difference [00:38] Patents and IP — protecting formulas and technology [00:41] The evolution of phosphate removers & BioLab’s shift in philosophy [00:47] Market research and deciding which products to launch [00:52] Packaging engineering, label testing, and launch process [00:57] How BioLab educates dealers and service pros nationwide [01:18] AI in education — avatars and BioGuard University [01:26] The future of training and collaboration in the pool industry [01:31] Closing thoughts and Matrix class plans at BioLab HQ Special thanks to our visionary sponsors for making this episode possible: SPPA – Service Professionals Pool Association, BluRay XL, AquaStar Pool Products, Natural Chemistry, BioLab, Raypak, Heritage Pool Supply, Hayward Pool Products, Poolside Tech, Pool Brain, and Nidec US Motors. Your partnership helps us continue to educate, elevate, and celebrate pool professionals everywhere.

Today in Episode 267 of the Pool Nation Podcast we drop a big announcement: Pool Nation and SPPA are partnering to unite more than 7,200 pool pros under one roof — the largest member-based program our industry has ever seen. Edgar and Zac sit down with Danielle, CEO of SPPA, to unpack what this means for you: a revamped Pool Man University platform, a Pool Nation Water Chemistry Certification path, quarterly business mastermind groups, member perks, rebates, and resources, plus mini-course learning tracks you can implement the next day. We also preview the $10,000 Pool Pro Challenge finals at PSP/Deck Expo Las Vegas, the Pool Nation Awards, and the two-day Pool Nation Conference (Business, Technical & Hands-On tracks). If you care about profitability, customer retention, leadership, safety, and chemistry, this episode is your new playbook for 2026. Chapters & timestamps 00:00 – Intro, sponsors, and… finding a nickname for Devon 02:40 – Zac returns; quick banter & show setup 06:45 – $10,000 Pool Pro Challenge (PSP Expo: Oct 22 qualifiers, Oct 24 finals) 07:50 – Pool Nation Awards + Conference overview (Oct 24–25; 3 tracks) 08:45 – Big headline: Pool Nation × SPPA strategic partnership 10:00 – Why this partnership? Mission alignment: protect & make pool pros financially successful 12:45 – Customer experience & SPPA service mindset (Ashley/Bailey shoutouts) 16:10 – Scale matters: uniting 7,200+ members to drive ROI 17:10 – What’s rolling out: revamped LMS/PMU, water chemistry certification, perks & resources 19:30 – The 5 core pillars: Business/Profit, Chemistry, Safety, Leadership, Customer Experience/Retention 23:05 – Practical training you can implement the next day 24:05 – From “motivated” to executing: one-page action plans & success stories 26:05 – One-stop shop vision: all the training in one place 26:55 – Perks, rebates, promos at scale (prices keep rising—here’s help) 33:00 – Education Fund: lowering the barrier for new/smaller companies 50:45 – 2026 launch preview: Water Chemistry Certification with levels, quizzes, in-person options 55:00 – Quarterly Business Mastermind Groups (free year one for SPPA members); first topic: Turning Pools Into Profits 1:01:00 – Mini-courses / tracks: deep dives on one topic (e.g., Profitability, Hiring, etc.) 1:08:00 – Not just a platform — an ecosystem (Nation of Pool Pros) 1:08:45 – Roadmap & timing: emails, registration link, staged rollouts, early rebates 1:11:00 – Where SPPA sees members in a few years: faster growth through access & community 1:26:30 – Final thoughts: alignment, mission, and how we lift the industry together 1:31:30 – What’s next: watch your inbox for the registration link to activate benefits Thanks to our visionary partners & sponsors Huge thank-you to our partners who make this possible: SPPA, Blu-Ray XL, AquaStar Pool Products, Natural Chemistry, Raypak, Heritage Pool Supply, Hayward Pool Products, Poolside Tech, Pool Brain, and U.S. Motors (Neptune Variable Speed Motor) — plus everyone supporting the Pool Nation Conference, Awards, and the $10K Pool Pro Challenge.

In Episode 266 of the Pool Nation Podcast Edgar John dig in with Aquastar, Poolside Tech, and Raypak on how open collaboration (not vendor lock-in) is unlocking smarter automation, safer equipment, and real freedom of choice for pool pros and builders. We talk best-in-class integration (pump + filter + automation + heater), remote diagnostics that prevent truck rolls, why being privately held matters for innovation, and the mindset shift from “good enough” to category excellence. Plus: PSP/Deck Expo Las Vegas updates (Pool Nation Conference Oct 24–25), the $10K Pool Pro Challenge (Oct 22), and the Pool Nation Awards (Oct 23) with a call to vote before Oct 1. Sponsor shoutouts to SPPA, Blu-Ray XL, AquaStar, Natural Chemistry, Heritage, Hayward, Poolside Tech, Pool Brain, and US Motors/Neptune. If you service pools, manage vacation rentals/Airbnbs, or build pads, this episode is a masterclass on efficiency, reliability, and customer experience—straight from the teams installing thousands of new systems right now.   Chapter Timestamps 00:00 – Show open: New intro + welcome to Pool Nation 01:00 – Edgar sets the stage: “The New Three” and freedom of choice 02:30 – Sponsor thanks & co-host banter (Zac’s “Naked & Afraid” bit) 03:45 – Why this matters: vendor lock-in vs. innovation on the pad 07:00 – Event rundown: PSP/Deck Expo, $10K Pool Pro Challenge, Awards & voting deadlines 08:30 – What is “The New Three”? (Aquastar + Poolside Tech + Raypak) 09:45 – Built to work together: category expertise and simple configuration 11:30 – End-user wins: safety, efficiency, quality—why it’s a “homeowner home run” 13:00 – Culture check: collaboration over competition (and why it’s rare) 14:30 – Continuous improvement: using real-world data to ship fixes fast 15:40 – Stop the truck roll: remote diagnostics that save hours (and weekends) 18:00 – Designing for the pool pro: Friday-afternoon problems solved 20:00 – Real stories: Airbnb heat control, setpoint tweaks, going in prepared 21:30 – Knowledge base + support that actually calls you first 24:00 – Proactive support & “did you have a good time installing it?” 26:00 – Live shoutouts to the community 28:00 – How the partnership formed: aligned values → an open ecosystem 31:00 – Breaking the bundle: why choice pressures everyone to build better 33:00 – Non-negotiables: safety, efficiency, quality, longevity 36:00 – Voice of the customer: what pros kept asking for 38:00 – Why being privately held changes everything (no shareholder handcuffs) 41:00 – Culture > strategy: moving fast without red tape 44:00 – Industry rant (facts!): doing the right thing for pros & homeowners 46:00 – Sponsor Break #1 (Conference + partner spots) 51:00 – Back from break: core values lived, not poster-ized 52:30 – Day-to-day collaboration: data sharing & “fix it in days, not quarters” 56:30 – Pool pros as part of the improvement loop (without extra work) 1:03:00 – Meetings? Nah—access, trust, and jumping on issues 1:05:00 – Edgar’s automation pain story → how the new stack solves it 1:07:00 – Why freedom of choice matters to homeowners and pros 1:10:30 – Pads stayed primitive while homes got smart—time to catch up 1:12:00 – Pipeline filter & first-swing wins; what v2 will unlock 1:15:00 – Competition heats up: big three start reacting (that’s good) 1:18:00 – Sponsor Break #2 (Conference + partner spots) 1:23:00 – Final segment setup + more shoutouts 1:24:00 – Final thoughts (Todd): innovation that justifies replacement before failure 1:26:00 – Final thoughts (John): how we position upgrades to deliver real ROI 1:30:00 – Gratitude, teasers (sorry—no spoilers!), Vegas see-you-there 1:32:00 – Outro + where to find us ✅ Sponsor List We couldn’t do this podcast without the support of our visionary partners: SPPA – General Liability Insurance for Pool Pros → thesppa.com Blu-Ray XL – The real mineral purifier that cuts costs & labor AquaStar Pool Products – Makers of the Pipeline cartridge filter Natural Chemistry – Specialty water care & phosphate removal solutions Heritage Pool Supply – Education Fund & industry support Hayward Pool Products – Pool and spa innovation, including Universal ColorLogic® 2.0 Poolside Tech – Pool Attendant® automation and remote pad intelligence Pool Brain – Business software built for service companies US Motors / Nidec – Neptune variable speed motor, versatile VS upgrades Raypak – Avia HD heaters with NiTec™ technology for scale resistance 📣 About the Pool Nation Conference This is the only conference in the pool industry that combines business, technical, and hands-on training into one powerhouse event. 📍 When & Where: October 24–25, 2025 at the PSP/Deck Expo, Las Vegas Convention Center, North Hall 📊 Business Track: Financials, pricing, leadership, hiring, and scaling your company 🔧 Technical Track: Water chemistry, automation, plumbing, heaters, and troubleshooting 🛠️ Hands-On Track: Real equipment, real installs — strip wires, take apart heaters, install pumps You’ll leave with practical skills, tools you can use immediately, and connections that accelerate your growth. 👉 Register today at poolnation.com or poolspapatio.com.