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Welcome to Beneath the Hollow Moon Podcast where folklore burns slow and the strange never fades… even under twinkling lights, even when the bells ring on their own and when the ornaments start whispering your name.
Beneath the Hollow Moon Podcast is cohosted LIVE by Kerrilynn Shellhorn & Lorilei Potvin, every Thursday
at 7pm EST on UFO Paranormal Radio Network & United Public Radio!
This Thursday, December 18th/25 on Ep. 33, Join Us Tonight LIVE as we’re dragging the darkest corners of Christmas into the glow of the tree and lights to delve into the high strangeness ‘Victorian Ghost Story Traditions’!
Grab your eggnog, turn the lights low, and join us live for two hours of festive frights.
The strange never takes a holiday.
See you beneath the hollow moon… and the mistletoe. 🎄🖤
Got a story that gives you the chills - a strange encounter you can't explain??
WE WANT TO HEAR IT!!!!
Send us your true tales of the weird and unexplainable, and YOUR STORY could be the one we share on air.
Submit your story to kerrilynnsporch@gmail.com
#BeneaththeHollowMoonPodcast
#KerrilynnShellhorn #LorileiPotvin #podcast #folklore #highstrangeness #cryptids #fullmoon #haunted #ScaryChristmas #ghosts #UFOs
#paranormal #dontfollowthewhispers
The Outer Realm welcomes back Special Guest Elsa Dillon
Date: December 18th, 2025
EP: 656
TOPIC: Elsa returns for a new discussion on Past Lives, Incarnations, Prophecies, Oversoul and more!
Contact for the show -
theouterrealmcontact@gmail.com
https://linktr.ee/michelledesrochers_
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ELSA & DILLON FAMILY BIO
Family of 10 Experiencers living on farm in Byron Bay Hills, Australia
Elsa, mom of 8 Children with husband Richard Dillon
Both Elsa & Richard International Fashion
Photographers & Videographer shooting Celebrities, Magazines & Advertising
Behind the scene Professionals for over 3 decades
DILLONS 2nd Incarnation here on GAIA
Family OVER SOULS all called in together again to incarnate, in this Realm
Experiences, BEINGS Messages, OVERSOUL connection
& Happenings with Paranormal
Over 600 BEINGS to date
Many Forms & Multi Dimensional Realms
WEBSITE:
www.spinbeings.com
YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5goXYbPsGU
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A formal disclosure: The opinions and information presented or expressed by guests on The Outer Realm Radio and Beyond The Outer Realm are not necessarily those of the TOR, BTOR Hosts, Sponsors, or the United Public Radio Network and its producers. Although the content may be interesting, it is deemed "For Entertainment Purposes" . We are always respectful and courteous to all involved. Thank you, we appreciate you all!!!!
Ethereal Encounters welcomes Mary Madeiras – LIVE,
Thursday, December 18th, 2025 at 5 PM EST
Topic: The Akashic Way: Living Through the Lens of the Akashic Records
BIO:
Mary Madeiras is an Advanced Akashic Records practitioner, author, and three-time Emmy Award-winning television director whose career bridges the worlds of spiritual transformation and broadcast storytelling. She has opened the Akashic Records for individuals and corporations worldwide, offering soul-level guidance, healing, and divine remembrance.
Her book, The Akashic Way – Living Through the Lens of the Akashic Records, shares direct transmissions from the Records as a sacred offering for humanity’s evolution.
Mary’s celebrated directing career spans news, talk shows, sports, and seven top-rated daytime dramas—including General Hospital and Another World—earning her three Emmy Awards and a Directors Guild of America Award. Her creative life and spiritual practice now exist in a living collaboration, where divine wisdom informs every story she tells.
https://theakashicway.com/
Paranormal Insight - Christmas UFOs
December 18th, 2025
EP: 57
Case #1 1977 CHristmas UFO / McAlister Case in Scotland
Case #2 The Rendlesham UFO Case which also took place on Christmas
The Outer Realm welcomes back Special Guest Jason Hewlett
Date: December 17th, 2025
EP: 655
TOPIC: Jason returns for another exciting segment, as he talks about his newly released documentary with Small Town Monsters, Sasquatch Legacy.
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About Our Guest:
Jason Hewlett is a paranormal investigator, researcher. author and filmmaker from British Columbia, Canada. He is the co-founder of the Canadian Paranormal Society, the co-creator, writer and director of the award-winning web series We Want to Believe, and the author of four books, the most recent being The Legend of Ogopogo: Canada's Loch Ness Monster from Small Town Monsters Publishing. He also appears in the Small Town Monsters documentaries Cursed Waters: Creature of Lake Okanagan and On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Origin.
YouTube link for Small Town Monsters Film Trailer
https://youtu.be/UHd0A-oxQ6c?si=SC2YvWI4ewyGfbr0
Website:
canadianparanormalsociety.ca
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@JasonHewlett72
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A formal disclosure: The opinions and information presented or expressed by guests on The Outer Realm Radio and Beyond The Outer Realm are not necessarily those of the TOR, BTOR Hosts, Sponsors, or the United Public Radio Network and its producers. Although the content may be interesting, it is deemed "For Entertainment Purposes" . We are always respectful and courteous to all involved. Thank you, we appreciate you all!!!!
UFO Undercover John G Trump the man that picked up Nikolay Tesla works from his apartment after his death he was an American electrical engineer and professor at MIT. He developed high-voltage generators for cancer treatment, led radar deployment during World War II, and organized one of the first venture-funded companies, a particle accelerator manufacturer. there have been many rummers that he he was a time traveler and was part of the Philadelphia experiment we will also be discussing many other links to the president and his uncle !
The Gateway Podcast – Donna Copas – I Saw What Walks the Woods: A Bigfoot Encounter
Date: December 16, 2025
Episode: 107
Discussion: A Bigfoot Encounter
About Donna:
Donna Copas has been encountering what her people call the Watchers since she was six years old. Raised in the country on a 300-acre farm, she grew up deeply connected to the land and the natural world around her. Her father was a hunter, trapper, and root digger, and through him she learned to live in harmony with the woods from an early age.
Of Shawnee descent, Donna was taught that the beings commonly referred to as “Bigfoot” are known as the Watchers—ancient, aware, and an integral part of the natural world. These beings have been a consistent presence throughout her life, forming a relationship that she describes as mutual and ongoing.
Donna continues to live in the country today and spends much of her time in the woods, maintaining a lifelong bond with the land, its rhythms, and the Watchers who inhabit it.
Host: CL Thomas
C.L. Thomas travels widely every year as a fine arts photographer and writer exploring various afterlife research, OBEs, metaphysics, folklore, and lectures at events. C.L. does "Spirit" art on request. She is the author of the haunting memoir "Dancing with Demons" and the acclaimed historical-fiction novel “Speaking to Shadows”. C.L. is the creator and host of The Gateway Podcast & Small Town Tales Podcast. She has written many articles and maintains a blog on legends, folklore magic, and paranormal stories. Currently, she resides in Las Vegas, Nevada with her beloved Golden Retriever and Maine Coon cat.
www.clthomas.org
Follow CL on Social Media:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cl.thomas.428549/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/author_cl_thomas/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@clthomas
Beyond The Outer Realm -Animals_ Consciousness & Heaven with Eira Wulfnothsson
ParaTruth: Reborn welcomes Jason Hewlett
Date: Dec. 16th, 2025
EP: 65
Tracking the Wendigo: In Search of a Hungry Spirit
Did someone really see a Wendigo in the Canadian wilderness?
In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik talk with author, investigator, and filmmaker Jason Hewlett about his new documentary Tracking the Wendigo and his companion book Heart of Ice: Tracking the Wendigo. Together, they dig into the chilling witness report that sparked the investigation, the remote locations they explored, and what it means to chase a legend born from hunger, isolation, and taboo.
You’ll discover:
- The real story behind the reported Wendigo encounter
- How Jason approaches investigating a being rooted in Indigenous lore
- The emotional and spiritual weight of working with a “cannibal spirit” legend
- Why modern-day Wendigo reports might say more about us than we think
If you’ve ever felt the pull of the deep woods, this episode will make you think twice about what’s watching from the tree line.
Guest Bio:
Jason Hewlett is a paranormal investigator, researcher. author and filmmaker from British Columbia, Canada. He is the co-founder of the Canadian Paranormal Society, the co-creator, writer and director of the award-winning web series We Want to Believe, and the author of four books, the most recent being The Legend of Ogopogo: Canada's Loch Ness Monster from Small Town Monsters Publishing. He also appears in the Small Town Monsters documentaries Cursed Waters: Creature of Lake Okanagan and On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Origin. His latest book, Heart of Ice: Tracking the Wendigo, came out Oct. 6 from Small Town Monsters Publishing. It accompanied the documentary Tracking the Wendigo, which debuted Oct. 26. His latest documentary, Sasquatch Legacy, came out Dec. 7 from Small Town Monsters as well. He's also the host of Paranormal Theories, a weekly radio show on Sandcastle Radio out of Florida.
Carl Finch
“The Magic Of Music!”
How Musicians Are Magicians.
Into the night - Haunted Locations - 12-16-2025
Ethereal Encounters welcomes Jenny C. Bell,
Wednesday, December 17th, 2025, 4:10 PM EST
Topic: The Power of Spirit Crystals: Activating Your Highest Vibrational Self
BIO:
Jenny C. Bell is the author of Spirit Crystals: Discover Your Crystal Guide for Healing and Empowerment, Divergent Witchcraft: An Inclusive Approach to Making Magic (June 2026), and the Cosmic Creator Oracle deck. She is the founder of the Our Coven online community, host of the Cozy Coven Chats podcast, and a practicing witch. For three decades, Jenny has practiced yoga, meditation, read tarot cards, and worked with the healing powers of crystals.
A Reiki master, meditation teacher, and budding herbalist, Jenny uses her years of wisdom to champion others on their witchy journey. Jenny lives in the PNW with her family and pets, where she practices as a fortune teller, creator, and writer. Jenny is a contributor for Insight Timer, where you can find a meditation for every one of the sabbats on the witch's wheel of the year. She is also an instructor on Udemy with ten courses, including one on how to read oracle cards.
Links: Website: https://www.jennycbell.com/
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@healingwithJenny
Tik Tok: http://www.tiktok.com/@jenny_c_bell
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ourcovencommunity/
Beyond The Outer Realm welcomes back Special Guest Eira Wulfnothsson
Date: December 16th, 2025
EP: 654
TOPIC: We will be chatting about Animals, Consciousness & Heaven which is based on her book “ “Dominicanus; You, Your Dog and Heaven“
The Book:
From the author of The Devil's Mistake; From Occultist to Christian comes Dominicanus; You, Your Dog And Heaven.
This book speaks to the little-known scriptural fact that dogs have souls, go to heaven and are loved by God. It also speaks to the fact that we are divinely ordered by God to care for all animals and never allow them to suffer. It was also written to bring comfort to all who have ever endured the loss of a beloved four-legged family member and should also assure those who are about to, that they will surely meet again.
Dominicanus; You, Your Dog And Heaven, speaks from a unique and rarely discussed perspective. A perspective perhaps, that will give you the words during a time when the words are extremely hard to find.
AMAZON:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1917238827?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_NKJBGGG11M3R8YR35A5V_1&bestFormat=true
Contact for the show -
theouterrealmcontact@gmail.com
https://linktr.ee/michelledesrochers_
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About Eira Wulfnothsson
- Eira was a practicing occultist for over four decades. Born into a Luciferian world, no one in her family was Christian for generations; she was taken to Bohemian Grove at age 3. Her education was just as unusual; she attended a traditional mystery school 30 years before the internet existed; she attended in person. There she learned of the laws and forces at work in the cosmos both Holy and Unholy.
Five years ago, she had an extraordinary experience with Mary, Our Blessed Mother. She was called to become a traditional Roman Catholic and is now a consecrated Marian who has taken a life long vow of celibacy. She regularly prays “The Office of The Dead” for the Holy Souls in purgatory.
Today Eira works on the team of a Mandated Roman Catholic Exorcist and consults on classical angelology/demonology based on her unique upbringing, studies and experiences.
In service to Christ she currently hosts a youtube channel where she speaks of her unusual journey, spiritual warfare, and her understanding of God’s cosmos.
Eira’s YouTube channel is: Pitbulls of The Lord Spiritual Warfare Channel.
WEBSITE: https://eirawulfnothsson.com/
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A formal disclosure: The opinions and information presented or expressed by guests on The Outer Realm Radio and Beyond The Outer Realm are not necessarily those of the TOR, BTOR Hosts, Sponsors, or the United Public Radio Network and its producers. Although the content may be interesting, it is deemed "For Entertainment Purposes" . We are always respectful and courteous to all involved. Thank you, we appreciate you all!!!!
Tonight's guess was a no show, so Chris and Danny talk about their experiences.
Paranormal Heart welcomes back Sir Bryan Bowden
Date: December 16th, 2025
EP: 64
About The Guest:
Bryan M. Bowden is a lifelong experiencer and researcher whose childhood encounters with the unknown set him on a decades-long path into UFO, cryptid, and paranormal investigation. Born in New York City, he studied international finance at Pace University, later working with the IMF, World Bank, and top Wall Street firms before shifting fully into research, media, and creative work.
Since 1977, Bryan has explored the goblin universe firsthand—Sasquatch, Dogman, mystical beings, spirits, and multiple UFO events—traveling the world in search of answers. He is a founding member and former Director/CIO of the Bronxville Paranormal Society, bringing innovative methods that led to groundbreaking results.
Bryan is the creator, producer, and co-host of Beyond The Realm, as well as a musician, artist, and published author. He founded the New York State UFO, Sasquatch, and Dogman Projects, serves as Region 5 Director for the North American Dogman Project, and is a Knight Templar known formally as Sir Bryan M. Bowden. He is also an accurate remote viewer, psychic medium, and member of IRVA.
His work has appeared in newspapers, podcasts, independent films, Discovery+, Travel Channel, and series such as Red Earth Uncovered, Into the Unknown, and UFO Witness. He has spoken at conferences across the U.S. and conducted successful CE-5 events.
Bryan is launching his new show “Third Eye Live” on YouTube, exploring consciousness and the power of the third eye. When not investigating, he runs a custom branding company and continues developing new books, media projects, and upcoming events.
Bryan’s Links:
https://linktr.ee/bryanmbowden
Guest Bio: In this UPRN 107.7 FM New Orleans & 105.3FM Gulf Coast Paranormal NL Podcast UPRN Segment #58 UN-comfortable Christmas Special -host Jen Noseworthy talks with Guest: Erick Szilagyi from Indiana, USA.
Erick Szilagyi runs the uN-comfortable Podcast. Erick is part of the Fab-5 Group. The Fab-5 consists of Kat Ward from Paranormal Heart Podcast from Ontario, Canada (Fellow UPRN host) who was on PNL Podcast Season two 2024-S2/E18 & Season Three-2025- S3/E1(UPRN Seg#9); Tim Sudano from Paranormal Insight & SCARI from California, USA (fellow UPRN host) who was on PNL Podcast season three 2025-S3/E3 (UPRN Seg#11); Tommy Cullum from Let’s Get Freaky Podcast who was on PNL Podcast season two 2024- S2/E7 & S2/E41 & Season Three 2025-S3/E16 (UPRN Seg#22); JJRose777 Psychic Medium, White Witch & cleanser from California, USA who was on PNL Podcast season two 2024-S2/E48 & S2/E140 & Season Three 2025-S3/E50 (UPRN Seg#57).
Erick’s uNcomfortable is an atmospheric podcast of topics that reside on the fringes of our reality. Szilagyi’s podcast was born out of a lifelong curiosity of all things strange and unusual. An early obsession with UFOs, Bigfoot, and some personal experiences with the paranormal fueled his passion for high strangeness. Erick’s love for discussion and hearing others encounters led him to hosting his own podcast. UNcomfotrable is an interview based non-toxic environment where witnesses can share their experiences with a knowledgeable host, that is truly interested.
Shout out to UPRN Producer Michelle Desrochers from Ontario, Canada. Michelle is also host of The Outer Realm Radio & Beyond the Outer Realm on UPRN. https://linktr.ee/michelledesrochers_
Jennifer Vallis (JV)-Noseworthy, RN (Jen)
Paranormal NL (PNL) Podcast & BOG Team
Founder/host "Paranormal NL (PNL) Podcast"
Founder/Team Lead: PNL BOG Team. A "Boots on Ground" Paranormal Investigation Team
Email: paranormal.nl.podcast@gmail.com
Follow Paranormal NL Podcast & the BOG Team at https://linktr.ee/paranormalnlpodcast
2 REAL Cryptid Legends -
Hosts: Ron Morehead and Darrell Denton, Michelle Desrochers - Moderator Host and Segment Producer
Date: December 15th, 2025
EP: 004
Ron and Darrell are pleased to welcome Dr. Melba Ketchum & Robin Haynes.
Discussion: The Guests will talk about the Genome Project.
About Our Guests:
Dr. Melba Ketchum
-Dr. Melba S. Ketchum grew up in Texas City, Texas. She attended Texas A&M University where she received her doctorate in Veterinary Medicine after five years at the university. She had a mixed veterinary practice until she founded DNA Diagnostics. She is the president and founder of DNA Diagnostics, Inc. d/b/a Shelterwood Laboratories which was stablished in 1985.
DNA Diagnostics has become a leader in all types of DNA testing including: human and animal forensics, human and animal paternity and parentage testing, disease diagnostics, trait tests, animal and human identity testing, species identification and sex determination. Most common species of animals are tested at DNA Diagnostics.
Dr. Ketchum believes that through her research on Bigfoot, that it would be difficult for anyone to dismiss the " Human Hybrid" idea.
Socials:
WEBSITE: sasquatchgenomeproject.org
X : https://x.com/DrMelbaKetchum
FB: https://www.facebook.com/DrMelbaKetchum
Robin Haynes
- Robin has a lifetime of experiences with not only Sasquatch but other cryptids. She has been interacting with them since she was a small child. They have taught her many things. Now she not only works with cryptids, but also people, by trying to bridge the gap between them. She does conferences as well as shows, podcasts, and radio. Robin enjoys helping people learn about frequency and energy and connecting with the cryptids in a safe environment. Helping others learn about the paranormal is important to her. She also helped with the Sasquatch Genome Project and is currently helping with the Cryptid Genome Project.
You can find her on Facebook under Robin Haynes or on her website which is www.paranormal-empowerment.com
The Light Gate welcomes guest: You, the Audience. It’s Open Mic Night!
Date: December 15, 2025. Time: 5-7pm pacific / 8-10pm eastern
Episode: 139
Discussion: UFOs, the Paranormal, Psychic Abilities, Disclosure
It’s Open Mic night! Tonight, The Light Gate features a Q&A episode with your hosts, Preston Dennett and Dolly Safran, and YOU, the audience! Ask us anything! UFOs, ghosts, OBEs, the paranormal, psychic abilities, disclosure, disinformation, the coverup! Time to have some fun. We will also be doing a book give-away contest!
Preston Dennett began investigating UFOs and the paranormalin 1986 when he discovered that his family, friends and co-workers were having dramatic unexplained encounters. Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of witnesses and investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. He is a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the author of 30 books and more than 100 articles on UFOs and the paranormal. Several of his books have been Amazon UFO bestsellers. His articles have appeared in numerous magazines including Fate, Atlantis Rising, MUFON UFO Journal, Nexus, Paranormal Magazine, UFO Magazine, Phenomena Magazine, Mysteries Magazine, Ufologist and others. His writing has been translated into several different languages including German, French, Portuguese, Russian, and Icelandic. He has appeared on numerous radio and television programs, including Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell, Coast-to-Coast and also the History Channel’s Deep Sea UFOs and UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens. His research has been presented in the LA Times, the LA Daily News, the Dallas Morning News and other newspapers. He has taught classes on various paranormal subjects and lectures across the United States.
Dolly Safran has worked as a limo driver, assistant manager at Wendy’s, a zookeeper, a bus driver, a security guard, a nurse, and more, including as a civilian worker for the U.S. Department of the Treasury, and also in the Army as an employee for the U.S. Department of Defense. Her UFO contacts began around age one, and are still ongoing today. She is a fully conscious UFO contactee and the subject of the full-length book, “Symmetry: A True UFO Adventure.” Sequel coming soon!
LINKS
WEBSITE: www.prestondennett.weebly.com
YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@prestondennett577/featured
FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/preston.dennett/
Mon. Dec. 15th/25 Join Me Tonight LIVE @6:10pm-8pm EST, as I welcome Asria Beckham.
Asria is a Multidimensional Guide and Alien DNA Translator who helps people reconnect with their star origins, soul frequency, and inner sovereignty. With over 15 years of experience working with Star Beings, spirit realms, and energy transmissions, she supports others in raising their vibration, healing from spiritual distortion, and embodying their true path.
Her work has been featured on platforms like The Spirit Switchboard, Shaun Attwood Channel, and Lady D’s Channel, where she shares powerful insights on psychic protection, galactic contact, and the reality of awakening. She also hosts her own YouTube channel, @AsriaOfficial, where she shares starseed teachings, DNA activations, and intuitive guidance to support planetary and personal transformation.
Asria’s journey includes working with a frequency object that once supported her connection — but over time, she came to understand that her gifts were never outside her. They were always encoded within. She now teaches others that you are the technology. The key to your awakening is already inside you.
She also brings deep personal wisdom through her Survivor-to-Sovereign™ path, a soul-led journey of healing from childhood abuse, narcissistic trauma, and spiritual interference. Through this lived experience, she helps others reclaim their voice, clear energetic distortion, and return to the truth of who they are.
Whether you're newly awakening or walking the deeper path, Asria’s presence is a powerful blend of the cosmic and the human and her message is clear:✨
You can contact Asria Beckham here: https://www.elarionresonance.com/
🌟 Sweet Success with Chef Heather Pace
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What if dessert didn’t have to be a guilty pleasure—but a daily celebration of joy, flavour, and nourishment? Classically trained chef and plant-based dessert creator Heather Pace is proving exactly that. Through her brand Sweetly Raw Desserts, she’s on a mission to show that indulgence and wellness can truly coexist. Her motto says it all: “Have Your Cake and Eat It Too.”
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📻 Tune in LIVE Monday, DEC 15th, 2025 at 12:00 PM PST / 3:00 PM EST
on 105.3 & 107.7 FM (United Public Radio, New Orleans)
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On Breaking Norms, Building Dreams, host Brittney Ashley — mom of two, Métis entrepreneur, certified Business & Imposter Syndrome Coach, founder of Creative Dynamics Virtual Services, and proud neurodivergent with ADHD and dyslexia — sits down with Heather Pace, classically trained chef, yoga instructor, cookbook author, and the creative force behind Sweetly Raw Desserts. Heather’s plant-based creations are served across Vancouver Island in restaurants, hotels, cafés, and shops, and she’s dedicated to making dessert something people can enjoy every single day—without guilt, fear, or deprivation.
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Topics include:
💬 Heather’s journey from classical culinary training to building Sweetly Raw Desserts
💬 Why she believes “Success Starts in Your Soul” — and how mindset shapes entrepreneurship
💬 Navigating Victoria’s commercial kitchen shortage and staying resilient through delays
💬 How to balance indulgence + nutrition without sacrificing taste
💬 The role of community, collaboration, and pop-ups in growing a local food brand
💬 A sneak peek inside her upcoming Oak Bay kitchen and what new treats are coming next
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Bring your questions and your sweet tooth. Link to listen is below!
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📲 Follow Heather: @sweetlyrawdesserts & @sweetlyraw
📲 Connect with host Brittney Ashley: @creativedynamicsva
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#breakingnormsbuildingdreams #SweetlyRawDesserts
























great episode
Her accent makes Fairy sound like furry. 😁
every upload is 2 shows playing over the top of each other. all the time. you'd think they'd have figured this out already. nope, they just keep posting them.
Another recording over a recording. How is anyone supposed to listen to this??
The pace of this interview is like they just woke up & are sitting at the table eating breakfast together.