Think Like a Vegan

There are those who study nature, and then there are those who listen to it. Alan Watson Featherstone is such a listener, a quiet revolutionary who has spent his life translating Earth's silent longing into action.In this episode, we walk with Alan through:The act of rewilding — not just restoring land, but restoring relationshipWhy healing broken ecosystems is the most radical hope we haveHow a single sapling carries within it an entire futureA man of many gifts — photographer, storyteller, planter of forests — Alan founded Trees for Life in 1986 and for three decades served as its guiding spirit, transforming Scotland's barren glens into cathedrals of green. A vegan since 1979, his life reminds us that compassion must stretch beyond our speciesThis is not a lecture on ecology. This is an invitation to remember, to see, as Alan does, that every act of rewilding is a love letter to a better future for everyoneWebsite/SocialsAlan Watson Featherstonehttps://alanwatsonfeatherstone.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-watson-featherstone-8063961a X @AlanWatsonFeat1Photography https://www.naturepl.com/search?s=Alan+Watson YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@alanwatsonfeatherstone9676/videos Other linksFindhorn community https://www.visitecovillagefindhorn.uk Trees for Life https://treesforlife.org.ukIshmael https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_(Quinn_novel)Kathleen Jannaway https://youtu.be/2ai7lnUsVPE?feature=shared Auroville https://auroville.org Jack Whitten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Whitten Birchfield https://birchfieldhighlands.org Emi Leesehttps://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com   http://emilialeese.com  Instagram @emi.leeseYouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos    CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Alan Watson FeatherstoneProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Contemporary Music Too" by Matthew GerstenbergerClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic BusinessThis podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com    

This episode goes back to basics. We hear about animal rights, welfare, compassion and kindness. It all sounds like good things and stuff we should have. So I want to share with you why when I talk about animal ethics, I centre my words around rights instead of welfare or compassion and kindness Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com    http://thinklikeavegan.com     http://emilialeese.com      @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude:  "On the Forbidden Balcony" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com   

When you hear the term zoonotic disease, what does it mean to you? What do you think of and who is responsible for them? Maybe you think about Covid 19. How about HIV-AIDS? Is your impression that zoonotic illnesses are something relatively new? Or uncommon? In this episode, I'll explore just how far back in time zoonotic illnesses go and think about how our entanglement with other animals affects us -- and them -- on a cellular level Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com   http://thinklikeavegan.com    http://emilialeese.com     @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com   Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com   Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Pinglie"  by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com    

Ida B. Wells and the relevance of her work to the animal justice movement Zane McNeill and Nathan Poirier discuss Ida B. Wells' historical and contemporary legacy and relevance to critical animal studies  For more than 40 years from the late 1800s, Ida B. Wells fought for justice for Black Americans. Wells was a journalist, newspaper owner, feminist, suffragist and organiser. In particular, she called herself a lynching agitator and she’s probably still best known for this work McNeill and Poirier discuss the historical and foundational influence the Black feminist body of work plays for critical animal studies. This influence is all too often not made clear. While barely mentioning nonhuman animals,” the essay on Ida B. Wells, “fundamentally belongs within critical animal studies  via consistent anti- oppression” by studying  historical gender and racial activism through the efforts of an early and important yet understudied Black feminist”.  Their book is entitled Expanding the Critical Animal Studies Imagination: Essays in Solidarity and Total Liberation (2023, Peter Lang https://www.peterlang.com/document/1298884)   Website/Socials Zane McNeill @zane_crittheory on X Nathan Poirier https://www.facebook.com/nathan.poirier.7792  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com   http://emilialeese.com    @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guests: Zane McNeill and Nathan Poirier  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Memories/Generations"  by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com   

What should we say to vegans? Benny Malone returns to the podcast to discuss with me what people should say to vegans instead of the usual excuses. Benny joined me in Season One in the episode entitled "Discussing Veganism with Others" where Benny talks about his top five fallacies vegans encounter when talking with others and I talk about my top three tips when engaging with others about veganism.  Benny is the author of How to Argue with Vegans, an analysis of anti-vegan arguments. He’s an autodidact in science, nature and philosophy. And if there’s a book about veganism out there, he’s read it cover to cover.  Website/Socials Benny Malone @BennyMalone on Facebook @benny_malone_ on on Instagram and @BennyMaloneUK on X  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com    http://emilialeese.com   @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Benny Malone Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude:  "Gendrone" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com   

Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available January 2025 in the UK and worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on ⁠Amazon⁠, ⁠Target⁠ or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Alice Crary and Lori Gruen talk about what is effective altruism, why it's harmful and what are alternatives which already exist. Should we measure the effectiveness of an act meant to benefit another? How do we decide its effectiveness and for whom it’s effective - for the beneficiary? For the actor? And why should we be thinking about effectiveness when we’re talking about doing something that’s meant to do good or change minds? Alice and Lori have edited, and contributed to, a collection of essays on the topic, along with Carol J. Adam, entitled The Good it Promises, the Harm it Does Alice Crary is a Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at The New School for Social Research, a Visiting Fellow at Regent’s Park College in the University of Oxford and at the Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility Lori Gruen is the William Griffin Professor of Philosophy and Professor of Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies and Science in Society at Wesleyan University where she also coordinates Wesleyan Animal Studies. Website/Socials Alice Crary: https://alicecrary.com Lori Gruen: https://www.lorigruen.com Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guests: Dr Alice Crary and Dr Lori Gruen Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Fuurin Sanpo" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available from January 2025 in the UK/worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on ⁠Amazon⁠, ⁠Target⁠ or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Whenever people talk about the environment or the plight of animals, they all seem to say something like “oh I agree industrial animal farming is terrible!” And it is. But that's not the full story. I discuss why we should encourage the focus to be on the inherent injustice of animal use and I even use some archeology to make this point Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Waiting for Summer" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available from January 2025 in the UK/worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on ⁠Amazon⁠, ⁠Target⁠ or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Dr Stacy Banwell discusses her book, The War Against Nonhuman Animals: A Non-Speciesist Understanding of Gendered Reproductive Violence. I began exploring the entanglement of war and animals in season two of my podcast when Josh Milburn and Sara van Goozen were my guests. Stacy takes the analysis of war and animals along the logical continuum, putting our actions within the context of International Humanitarian Law, the Geneva Convention and the additional protocols. She does so in an astonishing way - she’s at once clinical in her analysis, devastating in her straightforward telling of facts and incredibly sensitive to the real and lived experiences of people and animals. Stacy is an associate professor of Criminology at the University of Greenwich in the UK. She has made two remarkable animations on why the war against animals is a crisis for humans too and one on gendered wars and gender-based violence. She has a long list of publications in addition to the book discussed in this episode, and many focussed on gender violence whether during war or armed conflict or otherwise, including The Emerald International Handbook of Feminist Perspectives on Women’s Acts of Violence, Sex and Crime, and the monograph Gender and the Violence(s) of War and Armed Conflict: More dangerous to be a woman? TW: discussion of gendered and reproductive violence Website/Socials Stacy Banwell https://www.vegansociety.com/get-involved/research/who-we-are/stacy-banwell https://www.gre.ac.uk/people/rep/las/stacy-banwell Animations: Why is the war against nonhuman animals a crisis for humans too? https://youtu.be/pQCnJqeP0sQ?feature=shared Gendered wars and gender-based violence: Who ‘is dangerous’, who is ‘in danger’? https://youtu.be/6Hq14VEwgWo?feature=shared Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Stacy Banwell Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Jin Regret" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Pre-order the paperback edition of our book, Think Like a Vegan! This highly anticipated release will be available from January 2025 in the UK/worldwide and April 2025 in North America. It will contain a new afterword so you can dive into updates and new material you won't find in the hardcover. We've added insightful reflections and fresh content to keep you inspired and informed. Pre-order on Amazon, Target or wherever you buy books and ask your library to carry it Max Haiven discusses whether palm oil is a particularly more destructive product than any other. Max's book, Palm Oil: Grease of Empire, gets into a bit of the history, political, economic and natural impact of the palm oil industry, which had its start during European colonisation of West Africa in the 19th century. Max then zooms out to look at the wider impact and how we might want to consider what we do about palm oil production.  Max is an author, a professor at Lakehead University in Canada and the Canada Research Chair in Radical Imagination. He also co-hosts a call-in podcast called What Do We Want, and directs the ReImagining Value Action Lab, a workshop for the radical imagination, social justice and decolonization. He's also the first and, so far, only non-vegan guest on this podcast  Website/Socials  Max Haiven⁠ https://maxhaiven.com/⁠ https://reimaginevalue.ca/ @maxhaiven on X https://maxhaiven.substack.com/ ⁠https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345826/palm-oil/⁠  Emi Leese ⁠https://emilialeese.substack.com⁠ ⁠http://thinklikeavegan.com⁠ ⁠http://emilialeese.com ⁠  @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X, Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Max Haiven  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; ⁠https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com⁠  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell ⁠https://www.messyvegancook.com⁠ Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Hit" by Flowers Must Die Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network ⁠https://iroarpod.com⁠

In this series, the big theme has been systems with special attention to economics and capitalism. Selling as many different products is one of the principal manifestations of capitalism. And in the context of vegan products - What’s it mean to have more vegan products available to buy? Do more vegan products mean fewer animals are being exploited for their bodies and secretions? Is veganism about products? Is veganism winning? I share my thoughts about this and more in the last episode for this season. Website/Socials http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilialeese/ http://thinklikeavegan.com Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Over the Pacific at 3.30am I" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Sara van Goozen and Josh Milburn are the first to include considering harm to animals in just war theory. Broadly speaking, just war theory looks at whether a war is justified and if so, how that war should be conducted. They authored "Counting Animals in War: First Steps towards an Inclusive Just-War Theory” published in the journal Social Theory and Practice.Sara is a lecturer at the University of York. Her research focuses on topics in contemporary just war theory and global ethics. She’s written about just risk distribution in war, the moral status of animals in war and the distribution of scarce medical resources. Sara is also interested in various other areas in contemporary political theory, such as the literature on political obligation and sovereignty. Josh is a moral and political philosopher interested in questions about human/animal relationships, food, liberal/libertarian political theory, and applied ethics. He’s a Lecturer in Political Philosophy at Loughborough University and a member of the Research Advisory Committee of the Vegan Society. Josh is the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals, which is streaming on all platforms and his first book, Just Fodder: The Ethics of feeding animals, was the subject of an earlier episode of this podcast. Website/Socials https://josh-milburn.com https://knowinganimals.libsyn.com @aveganphilosopher, Instagram @JoshLMilburn, X http://justice-everywhere.org/author/saravangoozen/ http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X Radio Warn Nerd https://www.patreon.com/radiowarnerd/posts Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Josh Milburn & Sara van Goozen Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Over the Pacific at 3.30am II" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

For his Master Thesis, Tim Reysoo developed the concept of human privilege by extending the notion of social privilege to make sense of the enormous power differential between humans and animals in society. He develops the concept and social category of “species privilege” and “human innocence”. Tim studied Philosophy and International Development Studies at the University of Amsterdam. He conducted his graduate fieldwork in Ghana on the role of social movements in Leaving Fossil Fuels Underground. Tim also has extensive experience running animal rights campaigns, doing vegan street outreach, promoting plant-based policies to the government, and holding public lectures on the issue of animal oppression. Website/Socials https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-reysoo-b57061226/ https://uva.academia.edu/TimReysoo http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Tim Reysoo Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "505 Souji" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Doctor Josh Milburn's book, Just Fodder: The ethics of feeding animals (McGill-Queen's University Press), explores a variety of questions from “Who are we obliged to feed? Who are we permitted to feed? What are we allowed to feed animals? To What is the role of the state in feeding animals? And How might obligations concerning the feeding of animals differ from obligations concerning the feeding of humans and why? These are thought provoking questions and this book really pushed me to consider things in ways I just wasn’t expecting. Josh is a moral and political philosopher interested in questions about human/animal relationships, food, liberal/libertarian political theory, and applied ethics. He’s a Lecturer in Political Philosophy at Loughborough University and a member of the Research Advisory Committee of the Vegan Society. Josh is the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals, which is streaming on all platforms. Website/Socials https://josh-milburn.com https://knowinganimals.libsyn.com @aveganphilosopher, Instagram @JoshLMilburn, Twitter http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Josh Milburn Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Rinrin" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Joshua Katcher and Tracey Katof are researching the fashion industry as a compelling case-study for the macroeconomic phenomenon of circumfauna, a term Joshua coined. They analyse the social, historical, and environmental influences on the large-scale shift towards intentionally reframing supply chains without animals. Joshua Katcher is a fashion designer, author and educator who has taught at Parsons and has lectured at universities internationally and lobbied in the United States for sustainable and ethical fashion. He’s the author of Fashion Animals, the creator of the men's vegan lifestyle website, The Discerning Brute and founder of the vegan, ethically-made menswear fashion brand, Brave GentleMan. He also co-founded the vegan cheese company RIND. Tracey Katof is a financial analyst and an economics writer and educator. She received her master's in humane education from Valparaiso University and the Institute for Humane Education and later this year will receive a master's of global political economy and finance from the New School for Social Research. Website/Socials The Discerning Brute https://thediscerningbrute.comBrave Gentleman https://www.bravegentleman.com; @brave_gentleman, Instagram RIND vegan cheese https://www.rind.nyc; @rind.cheese, Instagram @joshua_katcher, Instagram Slay (documentary) https://www.slay.film @traceyyona, Instagram http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X Credits Host: Emilia A. LeeseGuest: Tracey Katof and Joshua Katcher Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Yushima" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8gClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Infighting. It’s something people in the veganverse complain about. So what do we mean by infighting? Is it something unique to the vegan and animal rights space? Should we be concerned about it? Does it benefit one group over another? How should we engage with it if at all? And what might be some of its consequences, if any? If this is something you think about or have encountered, you’re not alone. My guest is Dr Corey Lee Wrenn, Lecturer of Sociology and Co-Director of the Centre for the Study of Social and Political Movements at the University of Kent. She has researched and written on factionalism. Website/Socials https://www.coreyleewrenn.com @coreyleewrenn, Instagram and Facebook http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Corey WrennProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.comMusic Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Clouds on the Orongorongos" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com *

Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass are the authors of Half Earth Socialism:A Plan to Save the Future from Extinction, Climate Change and Pandemics (Verso). We talk about their book, the simulation game that goes with their book and why vegans should be socialists and socialists should be vegans. We also talk about Drew's work at mapping methane and other emissions in real time and go really off piste by chatting about my rewilding project in Scotland. Troy is an environmental historian who specialises in environmental economics, animal studies, and energy history. Drew is an environmental engineer working on his PhD at Harvard University. Websites/Socials https://www.half.earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77re-QcqTk http://drewpendergrass.com@pendergrassdrew on X http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X https://birchfieldhighlands.org CreditsHost: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.comGraphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com MusicOpening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Leaving the SRWG" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Marx, Veganism and Political Solidarity Across Species Where is the political solidarity from those who’ve thought and care about labour and social exploitation? Our guest today is Professor Leigh Claire La Berge. Her forthcoming new book Marx for Cats: A Radical Bestiary (Duke University Press), makes the case for political solidarity across species. As we talk about in our book, Think Like a Vegan, animals’ bodies are both a means of production and a saleable product. They’re bound up in this impossible situation from which escape is seldom possible. And this brutal and unjust exploitation doesn’t stop with them. It permeates every aspect of our existence to our and their detriment. Leigh Claire is a Professor of English at Borough of Manhattan Community College, City University of New York and an Alexander von Humboldt Fellow at the Free University of Berlin. Broadly speaking her work concerns aesthetics and political economy. Website/Socials http://marxforcats.com @marxforcats on Twitter and Instagram https://www.dukeupress.edu/marx-for-cats http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Leigh Claire La BergeProduction & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.comGraphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Shinka" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8gClosing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Benny Malone, author of How to Argue with Vegans: An analysis of anti-vegan arguments, talks to us about his top five favourite fallacies. Not the ones we might be familiar with, but those requiring a bit more work and thought. In the second half of the program, I'll share my top three strategies when choosing to engage with others on the topic of veganism.   Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Benny Malone; on Twitter @bennymaloneUK  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Cantina Rag" by Jackson F Smith  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

Geertrui Cazaux, author (Een Ander Soort Zuster), blogger and vegan, animal rights and inclusivity activist talks to us about why and how veganism is not an ableist ethical practice. We'll hear about what it means to live as a vegan with a chronic illness and how to centre veganism on solid ethical foundations.   Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Geertrui Cazaux; https://criphumanimal.org; https://brugesvegan.com; https://www.graswortels.org   Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music  Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Chilo Gorge" by Derek Solomon Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business

The Center for Contemporary Science works on replacing animal experimentation with more effective methods of research and testing based on human biology. Dr Aysha Akhtar explains how human biology-based methods offer a more effective way to understand the diseases that afflict us, enabling researchers to predict how people may respond to medicines and chemicals with far greater accuracy than animal tests. The outcome of this is better treatments, therapies and cures.    Credits  Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Dr Aysha Akhtar; https://contemporarysciences.org  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business   Intermission: "Nostalgia of an ex-gangsta rapper" by deef  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business