Mineral Minded Podcast

Abdul Saad B.Sc. (Hons), MPsych (Clin) UNSW is a clinical psychologist based in Sydney, Australia. Abdul specialises in integrative psychology. He realised that the conventional approach to mental health care was limited to drug and talk therapy and sought to introduce nutritional therapy into his practise. He found that using both nutritional and talk therapy together that people got better sooner, and began exploring this further, eventually finding Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis to further accelerate therapeutic change with his patients. You can connect with Abdul Saad at www.vitalmind.com.au

Dr Rick Malter, PhD, hTMAPToday on the Mineral Minded podcast we have Dr Rick Malter. He is a retired clinical psychologist from Chicago, and is, what I consider, to be a pioneer in the field of HTMA and Mineral Balancing Science. Dr. Rick Malter earned his Ph.D. in clinical and educational psychology from the University of Illinois and is the founder of malterinstitute.com Rick is the author of two books, Strands of Health: A guide to understanding hair mineral analysis and Shrinking the Judge: Freeing the Inner Child, which are both available on Amazon. Rick has also specializes in nutrition consultation for Learning Disabilities, ADD and stress management. He uses nutritional data from hair tissue mineral analysis to assess the mind/body connection and develops nutritional programs to help reduce the intensity of the person’s stress response and, therefore, the psychological dominance of the Judge.In this podcast, Rick refers to his Copper Toxicity Checklist.

Dr. Robert Selig, DC, hTMAP Robert has over 30 years of experience and research in the field of natural health and offers one-on-one guidance to address the root cause of his patient’s health conditions. He uses Hair tissue mineral analysis, mineral balancing, detoxification protocols, energy healing and much more in his practise.  Dr Selig teaches his patients both the art and science of natural healing to restore energy, strength and vitality. He makes getting back to health an exciting new journey, so that you can live a life without pharmaceutical drugs, avoid future surgeries, and rollback the ageing process. You can connect with Robert at backtonaturalhealth.com.

Rick Fischer, CHHC, hTMAPRick is a leading expert in HTMA, copper toxicity, and mineral education. As the founder of coppertoxic.com, together with supporting international research and his various educational materials on the topic, Rick's work over the past decade has advanced public and practitioner awareness of copper toxicity. He works as a clinical HTMA practitioner as well as an instructor. Rick is a passionate advocate for maintaining the integrity and authenticity of HTMA and is the co-founder of the HTMA Virtual Summit – which strives to provide excellence and leadership in HTMA based health education. Rick is also the founder and teacher of the Mineral Mastery program, a course designed to bring vital mineral-based health education to both practitioners and the public. You can connect with Rick at MineralsandHealth.com or visit his teachings at: www.MineralMastery.com and CopperToxic.com. 

Maria Allerton and John Bumpus have a discussion about the Effects of Copper Toxicity on Mental Health. If you like what Maria has to say regarding Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis and Copper Toxicity, you can connect with her at https://truefoodsnutrition.com.au 🔔 Disclaimer 🔔 This podcast is brought to you by John Bumpus. Please remember that none of the products, claims or programs from this recording has been evaluated by any government health body. The content and information found within this video, from John Bumpus and our guests is for informational purposes only. The content is in no way intended as medical advice, as a substitute for medical counselling or as a treatment/cure for any disease or health condition, and nor should it be construed as such, because that would be illegal. Always work with a qualified health professional before making any changes to your diet, supplement use, prescription drug use, lifestyle or exercise activities. Please understand that you assume all risks from the use, non-use or misuse of this information.

Abdul Saad BSc (Hons), MPsych (Clin) UNSW is a clinical psychologist based in Sydney, Australia. Abdul specialises in integrative psychology. He realised that the conventional approach to mental health care was limited to drug and talk therapy and sought to introduce nutritional therapy into his practise. He found that using both nutritional and talk therapy together that people got better sooner, and began exploring this further, eventually finding Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis to further accelerate therapeutic change with his patients. You can connect with Abdul Saad at www.vitalmind.com.au TranscriptNot yet uploaded!

Dr Rick Malter, PhD, hTMAP Today on the Mineral Minded podcast we have Dr Rick Malter. He is a retired clinical psychologist from Chicago, and is what I consider, to be a pioneer in the field of HTMA and Mineral Balancing Science. Dr. Rick Malter earned his Ph.D. in clinical and educational psychology from the University of Illinois and is the founder of malterinstitute.com Rick is the author of two books, Strands of Health: A guide to understanding hair mineral analysis and Shrinking the Judge: Freeing the Inner Child which are both available on amazon. Rick has also specializes in nutrition consultation for Learning Disabilities, ADD and stress management. He uses nutritional data from hair tissue mineral analysis to assess the mind/body connection and develops nutritional programs to help reduce the intensity of the person’s stress response and, therefore the psychological dominance of the Judge.In this podcast, Rick refers to his Copper Toxicity Checklist. TranscriptNot yet uploaded!

Dr. Robert Selig, DC, hTMAPRobert has over 30 years of experience and research in the field of natural health and offers one-on-one guidance to address the root cause of his patient’s health conditions. He uses Hair tissue mineral analysis, mineral balancing, detoxification protocols, energy healing and much more in his practise.  Dr Selig teaches his patients both the art and science of natural healing to restore energy, strength and vitality. He makes getting back to health and exciting new journey, so that you can live a life without pharmaceutical drugs, avoid future surgeries, and rollback the aging process. You can connect with Robert at backtonaturalhealth.com. Transcript00:02:17:21 - 00:02:20:10John BumpusDr. Robert Selig, pleasure to have you here.00:02:21:16 - 00:02:23:14Dr Robert SeligWhy, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.00:02:25:00 - 00:02:55:24John BumpusSo I'm wondering as you know, where the mineral minded podcast, we have mineral minded practitioners of all kinds here and here. Are they a peculiar one? That is a chiropractor that specializes in hair tissue, mineral analysis. I know you go into alchemy and astrology and energetics of all sorts of stuff. You're like a modern wizard or shaman. So maybe you can give us a little insight on how you got into hair testing in your journey.00:02:56:02 - 00:03:02:05John BumpusFrom being a chiro. Does a lot of physical manipulation to mineral manipulation?00:03:03:17 - 00:03:31:04Dr Robert SeligYeah. You know, it's an interesting story. Because when I was doing my bachelor work, I was studying at the University of Massachusetts where I was studying sports medicine athletic training, and I had to do a report on the ankle when I was studying the ankle. Somehow I came up on a research article up in the library area, and it was talking about ligaments, tendons, connective tissues.00:03:31:08 - 00:04:00:06Dr Robert SeligAnd there was a mention of copper. So for whatever reason, that copper just kind of tweaked my interest with the connective tissue connection to copper. And I never forgot about that. It wasn't in my report, of course, but that was the first thing that, oh, copper in, you know, in the medical articles really fascinated me. And then I just did a little bit of digging and I found about Wilson's disease and and then I had that in the back of my mind.00:04:00:06 - 00:04:23:13Dr Robert SeligAnd as, as a young kid, I was always breaking in bones, spraining ligaments, pulling muscles. You know, every time I went to the dentist, I had a cavity. So between breaking bones and hurting myself, I knew I was a mess. And that's what got me into chiropractic school. So I thought the chiropractic adjustment would fix everything. I didn't.00:04:23:22 - 00:04:37:05Dr Robert SeligSo then I had to do a little bit more digging. And then in chiropractic school, we didn't really get much into the minerals. In fact, magnesium was not mentioned once in chiropractic school. Think about that. Not only did.00:04:37:18 - 00:04:40:11John BumpusThey cover nutrition at all, I'm sure the.00:04:40:22 - 00:05:02:13Dr Robert SeligAdministration classes, but, you know, we talked iron, we talked vitamin C, we talked vitamin D, we talked about some of the diseases of nutritional deficiencies. And then I got more into the Wilsons thing. And then I remember reading somewhere in Wilson's, you know, usually the child's born jaundice. And of course I was born jaundice. So I knew that copper just came to me.00:05:02:20 - 00:05:25:22Dr Robert SeligAnd then after I graduated chiropractic school, I was, you know, doing, you know, adjusting everything. Anyone that would move from cats, dogs, people, I would adjust everything but I wasn't getting the results that I wanted to get. And I was thinking, what was the metabolic portion to this? Why aren't the adjustments holding? I was all you and just everyone.00:05:25:22 - 00:05:50:04Dr Robert SeligYou're going to cure every ailment under the sun, which wasn't true. Of course, it helped. That absolutely was a great modality of practice. But I had to figure out what was the obstacle to the cure of why I wasn't taking my patients health to that next better level. Why did their Paynes always come back? And then I started studying, you know, more into the nutrition.00:05:50:04 - 00:06:26:21Dr Robert SeligAnd then I got into homeopathy. When I started studying homeopathy, That's when I found out about the energetics of things. And then eventually, you know, probably about ten, 12 years ago, I started doing the minerals, the hair tissue analysis to give me a better insight into the mineral matrix. And then that's really what started the journey into hair tissue analysis in understanding how important these minerals are for our physiology, biology, psychology, how cosmology connects to the mineral ology, how it's all connected.00:06:26:21 - 00:06:39:18Dr Robert SeligAnd that was such a fascinating thing that has kept me on my quest of always seeking information and that's where I am today in a quick Reader's Digest version of my story.00:06:40:24 - 00:07:10:20John BumpusHello. That's fantastic. Yeah. At some point I think every practitioner, an acupuncturist or a psychologist who whatever you do, comes to a point where they say, Okay, I've exhausted what I can do in this domain that I, you know, studied in school. And we need to look more of a holistic kind of approach to what's going on. And nothing at least to me, makes more sense than supporting and promoting the optimal cellular function, because I think that's a big one.00:07:10:20 - 00:07:35:19John BumpusAnd if you missed that, it's hard to have someone you might have you probably see it every day. Robert, about people that don't support themselves nutritionally and always have muscle cramps and aching pains or whatever in their body, and then they come to you and I suppose you're going to be more into nutritional support as well. I do the adjustment.00:07:35:19 - 00:07:42:22John BumpusSee you tomorrow. I'll see you next week. So do you incorporate nutrition in your practice now and along with homeopathy and stuff?00:07:43:12 - 00:08:11:06Dr Robert SeligAbsolutely. It's the foundation of my practice is nutrition and addressing the metabolic aspects of, you know, the cellular integrity because, you know, structure determines function. So that's why we do want to address the structural components but we also if we leave out the metabolic portion, we're missing the mark and we'll never we'll never take someone's health to that next level.00:08:11:06 - 00:08:38:01Dr Robert SeligSo that's why in my practice, it's a little bit of everything. So they come to me, they, they're going to know from day one that nutrition will be highly emphasized mineral balancing will be the hallmark of what I'm doing because again, if I don't fix the metabolic portion of the patient, I'll never fix them. And then we'll just be adjusting bone after bone after bone day after day and we'll never get anywhere.00:08:38:01 - 00:08:41:23Dr Robert SeligSo I want results. So that's where I want it all.00:08:42:18 - 00:09:08:06John BumpusNow, that's great. You know, it reminds me of when I studied naturopathy and we were going through, like you mentioned, obstacles to a Cure, which is an important principle. And then the other one is, you know, those disturbing factors in trying to remove those disturbing factors. And they can be physical they can be emotional, they can be you know, I don't know about astrological is I guess there would be some sort of conflicts in that area.00:09:08:07 - 00:09:15:19John BumpusDo you have any thoughts on that? Where someone might have a predominance toward some sort of challenge or so?00:09:15:23 - 00:09:42:20Dr Robert SeligWhen I'm looking at someone, you know, when I profile a patient I want to profile them from every aspect. I want to know about their medical history, their pharmacological history, you know, their emotional history. Is there a complete medical history? And I want to know about their their mineral profile. I want to know about every antibiotic they've ever taken, every procedure and all of them dental, root canals, do whatever.00:09:43:00 - 00:10:05:12Dr Robert SeligSo you just you're looking for all the energy leaks in the body. So part of the profiling is I want to know what day of the week you were born on. I want to know your major son sign. And then I start to see some of the constitutional profiles that you have. So if you're born on a Tuesday, I know you're going to be ruled by the planet Mars.00:10:05:17 - 00:10:27:19Dr Robert SeligAnd I know that Mars is going to have a correspondence to the metal, iron, potassium and zinc. And so that's always going to be in my spotlight. And so sometimes you can see these Mars warrior born on Tuesday. Maybe they're also an Aries or maybe they're also a scorpion. And they got a lot of Mars in their cycle.00:10:28:00 - 00:10:55:02Dr Robert SeligSo I know that if that Mars energy isn't in balance, then they could be too aggressive, they could have too much iron toxicity or on the flip side, they could be anemic and they're not going to be be able to fight the righteous fight because they're going to be the doormat and get walked on because they don't have the blood to fight the good fight, because you need that oxygen to go to the muscles so you can, you know, fight or flight.00:10:55:09 - 00:11:12:11Dr Robert SeligAnd so understanding the energetics of the planets that dominate in someone's chart becomes paramount to help move the case forward. And that's how I use a little bit of everything to profile a patient

Rick Fischer, CHHC, hTMAPRick is a leading expert in HTMA, copper toxicity, and mineral education. As the founder of coppertoxic.com, together with supporting international research and his various educational materials on the topic, Rick's work over the past decade has advanced public and practitioner awareness of copper toxicity. He works as a clinical HTMA practitioner as well as an instructor. Rick is a passionate advocate for maintaining the integrity and authenticity of HTMA and is the co-founder of the HTMA Virtual Summit – which strives to provide excellence and leadership in HTMA based health education. Rick is also the founder and teacher of the Mineral Mastery program, a course designed to bring vital mineral-based health education to both practitioners as well as the general public.  You can connect with Rick at MineralsandHealth.com or visit his teachings at: www.MineralMastery.com and CopperToxic.com. Transcript00:00:00:00 - 00:00:33:02Rick FischerAnd honestly, John, like when I've had I've had two mothers now. Well, one mother. With the morgue situation where her daughter was told there's no such thing as copper toxicity was on a copper IUD killed herself. And then the mother went to the morgue to collect the hair sample. And the hair sample showed sky high copper. Now, if if the denial of copper toxicity didn't exist and people were educated in this information, we could literally be saving lives.00:00:34:04 - 00:01:06:18John BumpusHello and welcome to the Mineral Minded Podcast. Are you interested in learning more about vitamins, minerals, heavy metals, detoxification and natural health? We explore a range of topics that are related to mineral balancing science and hair tissue mineral analysis, including in-depth interviews, news and commentary about the wonderful world of natural medicine. I'm your host, John Bumpus today on the Mineral Minded Podcast.00:01:06:23 - 00:01:38:19John BumpusWe had an excellent conversation with Rick Fisher. Rick is a leading expert in hair, tissue, mineral analysis, copper toxicity and mineral education. As founder of Copper Toxic ICOM, together with supporting international research and his various educational materials on the topic. Rick's work over the past decade has advanced public and practitioner awareness of copper toxicity. He works as a clinical team practitioner as well as an instructor.00:01:39:18 - 00:02:08:19John BumpusHe is a passionate advocate for maintaining the integrity and authenticity of TMA and is the co-founder of the ACMA Virtual Summit, which strives to provide excellence and leadership in TMA based health education. Rick is also the founder and teacher of the Mineral Mastery Program, a course designed to bring vital mineral based health education to both practitioners as well as the general public.00:02:09:15 - 00:02:22:14John BumpusYou can connect with Rick at Minerals and Health dot com or visit his teachings at Mineral Mastery dot com and copper toxicol. Rick, welcome to the Mineral Minded Podcast. Nice to have you here.00:02:23:16 - 00:02:24:15Rick FischerHappy to be here, John.00:02:25:14 - 00:02:49:08John BumpusSo I have seen you throughout the Internet with all of your work on copper toxicity and hair tissue mineral analysis. Before we get into any real conversations, because I know that you're really keen to talk about copper. Maybe you can just tell us a little bit about how you actually got into hair, tissue, mineral analysis because everyone has a bit of a different story and how it came to them.00:02:50:04 - 00:03:19:12Rick FischerYeah, certainly. I began this work back in 2013 after this incident that happened to my fiancée at that time with copper toxicity stemming in large part from her copper IUD and some other factors as well. And because of the denial of hair analysis at that time by her doctor, she was led on a you know, a dangerous, dangerous path.00:03:19:12 - 00:03:50:15Rick FischerAnd it destroyed our relationship, our family and I just allies for several years just into the research of copper toxicity, which can only fully be understood when you look at copper in connection with other minerals. And in order to do that, you also need to utilize hair analysis because of blood tests. And we can talk more about this if you want.00:03:50:24 - 00:04:14:13Rick FischerBut a blood test alone is not enough to fully grasp copper toxicity. And this is why hair analysis is so important. And unfortunately, it's it's it's a test that has been attacked over and over again over the decades, which has kept it off the radar of a lot of people with tragic consequences. Wow.00:04:14:20 - 00:04:27:01John BumpusYeah. So you come completely in that copper toxicity basis. Most people usually talk about their own health, but for you, it was someone that you were in a relationship with and you seen the devastating effects that that can have.00:04:28:01 - 00:05:05:09Rick FischerYeah, this was this was an act of love that got me into this field. I mean, I have a nutrition background to begin with and the health background, but I was never taught any of these these deep mineral concepts or hair analysis and my training and just as I began my research and witnessing more and more the denial of copper toxicity, first of all, and the non-acceptance of TMA or the misuse of your name and the vast numbers of people and women, especially, who were affected by copper toxicity.00:05:05:09 - 00:05:10:08Rick FischerThat just drove me further to really get this information out there.00:05:10:11 - 00:05:33:04John BumpusThat's fantastic, because, you know, as you said, the blood test is limited. And I think we should be clear because we, both of us primarily practice with hair tissue in our analysis that hair testing is limited as well, but it's just understanding those limitations. And then if you can't see what you're looking for, maybe you should consider another test.00:05:33:15 - 00:05:52:20John BumpusAnd I think that's one reason why a lot of medical doctors have this veil of ignorance over them is because they kind of live in this, you know, blind range. It's the the ultimate test. And then they might do urine or something if they're looking for a kidney infection or something. But they overlook the simplicity of a hair test.00:05:52:20 - 00:06:12:01John BumpusAnd to be fair, I think it's because and it maybe it's a lot like when you went to nutrition school. I know it was when I went, I didn't really learn much about minerals, basically. It was like, oh, they're important, they're essential for health. And then it goes calcium for bones, magnesium for bones and ATP, and then you just kind of brush over it.00:06:12:12 - 00:06:17:02Rick FischerAnd then it's your tail and eat healthy and the very fluffy stuff.00:06:17:11 - 00:06:59:22John BumpusHere's some food sources for all of it. And now they have put a vegan twist on it all anyway. But it's basically eat a balanced diet, which is the same thing the medical doctor says. And when it comes into practice, it doesn't always pan out that way. So I think it her tissue analysis is a critical tool, but we need to understand that because it's been vilified throughout history and even to some degree, maybe there was a kind of effort to destroy this whole perspective of hair testing that we definitely need to be mindful about when you and I incorporate it into our practices to be a little bit more open about, you know, the00:06:59:22 - 00:07:21:22John Bumpuslimitations, but also like it's validity and, you know, keep hammering home that like this isn't like a, you know, a bio energetic test that one person might test you and then another person might test you for the same thing. And they come back complete opposites, you know, maybe you've had that experience with kinesiology where someone says, you know, you need copper and you need selenium.00:07:22:04 - 00:07:40:19John BumpusAnd then when you do an actual hair test, it's like now you'd really don't, right? And it's like, Oh, I like that hair skin that we see on the Internet. And some people come to me and they go, Hey, I've got a hair test, and they send me this report that was done through a machine. And do you have any experience with that?00:07:42:03 - 00:08:09:20Rick FischerOh, John, I have experience with pretty much all the different types of hair out there, and there are a lot of them. And this just adds to the confusion because, you know, people think that a hair analysis is all the same and it is anything but. There are not only many labs and and forms of hair analysis and not all our focused on, you know, what we're talking about here in terms of nutritional hair analysis.00:08:11:02 - 00:08:39:02Rick FischerBut yeah, as you mentioned, there's a biogenic element to it where you place a hair follicle on a disk and get it beamed across the ocean and magically sends back, you know, a beautiful report with results. I mean, I receive hair analysis, these hair analyzes from overseas where someone got their test done by the local lab and magnesium wasn't even included.00:08:39:02 - 00:09:12:16Rick FischerNow, I mean, you and I both know that it's important minerals. So how can you even do a mineral test and not even test for magnesium? It's shocking. And then I've seen others where or a lot where the practitioner or the lab is simply advising based on the the face value readings. Okay. So if we use magnesium again as an example, a magnesium bar can be high in the hair analysis, same thing with zinc or possibly potassium or other levels as well.00:09:13:11 - 00:09:46:00Rick FischerAnd without proper training, they will just say, well, your level of that mineral is high and therefore you should avoid it

John Bumpus has a discussion with Maria Allerton about HTMA and Copper Toxicity.