Episode #2 - Copper Toxicity, Supplementation and Misconceptions with Rick Fischer
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Rick Fischer, CHHC, hTMAP
Rick is a leading expert in HTMA, copper toxicity, and mineral education. As the founder of coppertoxic.com, together with supporting international research and his various educational materials on the topic, Rick's work over the past decade has advanced public and practitioner awareness of copper toxicity. He works as a clinical HTMA practitioner as well as an instructor.
Rick is a passionate advocate for maintaining the integrity and authenticity of HTMA and is the co-founder of the HTMA Virtual Summit – which strives to provide excellence and leadership in HTMA based health education. Rick is also the founder and teacher of the Mineral Mastery program, a course designed to bring vital mineral-based health education to both practitioners as well as
the general public.
You can connect with Rick at MineralsandHealth.com or visit his teachings at: www.MineralMastery.com and CopperToxic.com.
Transcript
Rick Fischer
And honestly, John, like when I've had I've had two mothers now. Well, one mother. With the morgue situation where her daughter was told there's no such thing as copper toxicity was on a copper IUD killed herself. And then the mother went to the morgue to collect the hair sample. And the hair sample showed sky high copper. Now, if if the denial of copper toxicity didn't exist and people were educated in this information, we could literally be saving lives.
John Bumpus
Hello and welcome to the Mineral Minded Podcast. Are you interested in learning more about vitamins, minerals, heavy metals, detoxification and natural health? We explore a range of topics that are related to mineral balancing science and hair tissue mineral analysis, including in-depth interviews, news and commentary about the wonderful world of natural medicine. I'm your host, John Bumpus today on the Mineral Minded Podcast.
John Bumpus
We had an excellent conversation with Rick Fisher. Rick is a leading expert in hair, tissue, mineral analysis, copper toxicity and mineral education. As founder of Copper Toxic ICOM, together with supporting international research and his various educational materials on the topic. Rick's work over the past decade has advanced public and practitioner awareness of copper toxicity. He works as a clinical team practitioner as well as an instructor.
John Bumpus
He is a passionate advocate for maintaining the integrity and authenticity of TMA and is the co-founder of the ACMA Virtual Summit, which strives to provide excellence and leadership in TMA based health education. Rick is also the founder and teacher of the Mineral Mastery Program, a course designed to bring vital mineral based health education to both practitioners as well as the general public.
John Bumpus
You can connect with Rick at Minerals and Health dot com or visit his teachings at Mineral Mastery dot com and copper toxicol. Rick, welcome to the Mineral Minded Podcast. Nice to have you here.
Rick Fischer
Happy to be here, John.
John Bumpus
So I have seen you throughout the Internet with all of your work on copper toxicity and hair tissue mineral analysis. Before we get into any real conversations, because I know that you're really keen to talk about copper. Maybe you can just tell us a little bit about how you actually got into hair, tissue, mineral analysis because everyone has a bit of a different story and how it came to them.
Rick Fischer
Yeah, certainly. I began this work back in 2013 after this incident that happened to my fiancée at that time with copper toxicity stemming in large part from her copper IUD and some other factors as well. And because of the denial of hair analysis at that time by her doctor, she was led on a you know, a dangerous, dangerous path.
Rick Fischer
And it destroyed our relationship, our family and I just allies for several years just into the research of copper toxicity, which can only fully be understood when you look at copper in connection with other minerals. And in order to do that, you also need to utilize hair analysis because of blood tests. And we can talk more about this if you want.
Rick Fischer
But a blood test alone is not enough to fully grasp copper toxicity. And this is why hair analysis is so important. And unfortunately, it's it's it's a test that has been attacked over and over again over the decades, which has kept it off the radar of a lot of people with tragic consequences. Wow.
John Bumpus
Yeah. So you come completely in that copper toxicity basis. Most people usually talk about their own health, but for you, it was someone that you were in a relationship with and you seen the devastating effects that that can have.
Rick Fischer
Yeah, this was this was an act of love that got me into this field. I mean, I have a nutrition background to begin with and the health background, but I was never taught any of these these deep mineral concepts or hair analysis and my training and just as I began my research and witnessing more and more the denial of copper toxicity, first of all, and the non-acceptance of TMA or the misuse of your name and the vast numbers of people and women, especially, who were affected by copper toxicity.
Rick Fischer
That just drove me further to really get this information out there.
John Bumpus
That's fantastic, because, you know, as you said, the blood test is limited. And I think we should be clear because we, both of us primarily practice with hair tissue in our analysis that hair testing is limited as well, but it's just understanding those limitations. And then if you can't see what you're looking for, maybe you should consider another test.
John Bumpus
And I think that's one reason why a lot of medical doctors have this veil of ignorance over them is because they kind of live in this, you know, blind range. It's the the ultimate test. And then they might do urine or something if they're looking for a kidney infection or something. But they overlook the simplicity of a hair test.
John Bumpus
And to be fair, I think it's because and it maybe it's a lot like when you went to nutrition school. I know it was when I went, I didn't really learn much about minerals, basically. It was like, oh, they're important, they're essential for health. And then it goes calcium for bones, magnesium for bones and ATP, and then you just kind of brush over it.
Rick Fischer
And then it's your tail and eat healthy and the very fluffy stuff.
John Bumpus
Here's some food sources for all of it. And now they have put a vegan twist on it all anyway. But it's basically eat a balanced diet, which is the same thing the medical doctor says. And when it comes into practice, it doesn't always pan out that way. So I think it her tissue analysis is a critical tool, but we need to understand that because it's been vilified throughout history and even to some degree, maybe there was a kind of effort to destroy this whole perspective of hair testing that we definitely need to be mindful about when you and I incorporate it into our practices to be a little bit more open about, you know, the
John Bumpus
limitations, but also like it's validity and, you know, keep hammering home that like this isn't like a, you know, a bio energetic test that one person might test you and then another person might test you for the same thing. And they come back complete opposites, you know, maybe you've had that experience with kinesiology where someone says, you know, you need copper and you need selenium.
John Bumpus
And then when you do an actual hair test, it's li
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