On The Move

Ben and Joe sit down to reflect on the past three and a half years of the On The Move Podcast. They discuss what they've learned through meeting their heroes and how that has shaped their own life. Lastly, Ben announces his farewell from the podcast and his plans for the future. Thank you to everyone who as supported us these last three years, we're excited to see what the future holds for the show!

Tristen Baroni is the Head Trainer, Equine Manager and Cattle Relocation Specialist at the Freeman Ranch in southeastern Colorado. He is also the owner/operator of Notorious Horsemanship, his personal training and education business. Tristan has spent his adult life in pursuit of better his horsemanship and finding the objective truth about what makes horses tick. His commitment to these goals has lead his to run a thriving horse program and have success in the show pen. Topics discussed include training a horses mind, breeding horses for the general public and being willing to break the norms of an industry.Freeman Horses: https://freemanhorses.com/Freeman Ranch: http://www.thefreemanranch.com/

Mark Bossert is farrier, day worker and self proclaimed buckaroo from Winner, South Dakota. He and his wife, Bailey, also breed horses and operate Kow Gal Supply, a website that sells various home and ranch goods such as tallow lotions, calving books and ranch ropes. Though growing up in the Dakotas, Mark has always had a love to the buckaroo style horsemanship, roping and stockmanship. Today, him and his wife share their passion for the buckaroo lifestyle through their social media. Topics discussed include being comfortable with being different, the joys and challenges of training mules, and the importance of being teachable.Mark and Bailey can be found on Facebook and Instagram under the names Mark Bossert and Bailey Bossert. To view their website go to https://kowgalsupply.com.

Elias Hutchinson, also known as "The Start Up Cowboy" is a social media influencer known for his instructional videos in a variety of topics such as roping, cowboy etiquette and horse training. Elias is also manages the arena at the University of Wyoming's research farm, is the Wagon Master for UW's draft horse team, and is an advisor to the school's ranch horse team. Elias joins Joe to share what lead him to start making educational content online and where he hopes to take The Startup Cowboy brand. Topics discussed include the taboo's of teaching in the western industry, the unique circumstances of working for a university, draft horses vs. saddle horses and much more!

Pace Freed is the founder of X Factor Roping, a video and production company that specializes in producing instructional team roping content and roping livestreams. Originally from Idaho, Pace spent much of his early life working to become the best roper he could be. On this journey he realized there was a need in the market for instructional content and thus, X Factor Roping was born. Today, Pace and his wife run X Factor which is one of the most prominent production companies and instructional apps in the team roping space. Join Joe and Pace as they discuss struggles of building a business, the incredible consistency needed to be a competitive team roper, rope horse futurities, and much more.To find out more about X Factor Roping, you can go to https://xfactorteamroping.com/ and get started with a free trail today!This Episode was brought to you by Nick Dowers' Cowboy Week. To Find out more about Cowboy Week, you can go to https://nickdowers.com/cowboy-week/. Use Coupon Code "ONTHEMOVE" at checkout for a discount off your subscription!

Casey Bieroth is a rancher and cowhorse trainer from Mountain City, NV. Join Joe as he sits down with another "founding father" of Cowboy Week as he share his story from the ranch to the show pen. Topics discussed include conditioning futurity prospects, the increasing value of the ranch horse, and the slow process of becoming a better trainer.If you'd like to learn from top hands like Casey, you can access Nick Dower's online learning platform, Cowboy Week by going to https://nickdowers.com/cowboy-week/. Use Coupon Code "ONTHEMOVE" for an additional discount at checkout!

Dr. Fabian Roa is a doctor of veterinary medicine currently working for the Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine in Blacksburg, VA. Originally from Costa Rica, Dr. Roa developed his passion for animals while working on his family's cattle ranch and learning to ride the Costa Rican Pasos his family bred. Once graduating vet school, he spent time in Weatherford, Texas and Dubai before coming to Virginia for his residency. Dr. Roa joins Ben and Joe to share his international experience in veterinary medicine. Topics discussed include life on a Central American ranch, dancing horses, and the people side of veterinary medicine.

In this episode of On The Move, Ben and Joe welcome a very special guest Kayleigh Burke, a horse trainer from Blacksburg, Virginia, and Joe’s wife and business partner.Kayleigh shares her journey from growing up in a Northern Virginia lesson program to riding on a collegiate team and later coaching college riders herself. The trio dives into the realities of running a horse training business with your spouse, and Kayleigh offers her honest perspective on teaching in lesson programs, the importance of foundational horsemanship, and how those early experiences shape her approach to training and showing today.Together, Joe, Ben, and Kayleigh explore the balance of life, horses, and horses and running Joe & Kayleigh's business, McDonald Equine.Tune in for an open, down-to-earth conversation about building a life—and a program—around a shared passion for horses.

Vernon Purdy is a saddle maker and farrier from Greenville, Texas. Vernon owns and operates Vernon Purdy Saddles which specializes in making a wide range of western saddles with Vernon’s specialty designed saddle tree. This saddle tree came from Vernon’s career as a farrier which had lead him on a deeper journey to understand soundness in a horse. It became evident to Vernon that one of the biggest impacts on a horse’s soundness was saddle fit, which led him to design his own tree and start his own saddle shop. Vernon joins Ben and Joe to share his story of pursuing soundness in a horse and what he’s learned along the way.

Steve Meadows is a horseman from Staunton, Virginia who has made a living showing in various disciplines within the AQHA and APHA. Originally from West Virginia, Steve is fourth generation in the horse industry. Rising to prominence in the AQHA, Steve was the first rider to ever win the triple crown of Western Pleasure in 1999. In 2012, Steve chose to change his focus to the Ranch Horse events where he has had sustained success on a national level. Steve joins Ben and Joe to share his journey as a horseman and discuss the Ranch Horse discipline. Topics discussed include the importance of giving a horse a job, staying motivated as a horseman and what it takes to be successful in the show pen.

In this episode of On the Move, horseman Dustin Sippola shares his remarkable journey through the world of colt starting, ranching, and horsemanship. From competing in Road to the Horse to cowboying at the legendary Gang Ranch in British Columbia and even working for a sheik, Dustin recounts the lessons, challenges, and humor that shaped his path. He reflects on mentorship, the art of training horses, the balance between competition and personal growth, and the importance of self-belief. With stories from the saddle and insights from the arena, this episode captures the spirit of a life dedicated to horses, hard work, and continual learning.

We sat down for our for our first solo episode in a while, catching up and talking through everything from horse clinics to the day-to-day realities of working with horses and running a training business. We dug into the differences between one-day and multi-day clinics, what it takes to help horses and riders make real progress, and how staying adaptable in your approach keeps the work interesting. Tune in and enjoy!www.mcdonaldequinellc.comwww.cunninghamhorses.com

Joe sits down with Max Morin, a reining horse trainer based in Aubrey, Texas, who’s built a name for himself developing top-tier 2-year-old prospects. Originally from France, Max’s love for horses started young—even when he had to learn from horsemanship videos in a language he barely understood. He shares how he made it to the U.S., landed a job with legendary trainer John Lyons, and eventually carved out a place of his own in the performance horse world.Max opens up about his journey, the mentors who shaped his horsemanship—like John & Josh Lyons and Nick Dowers—and how he’s now focused on blending strong fundamentals with elite performance. It’s a story of grit, passion, and the pursuit of excellence in and out of the arena.

Cole Cameron is a horseman, clinician, and competitor from Bluff Dale, TX. In this episode of On the Move, Ben sits down with Cole to discuss his journey in horsemanship, from personal experiences and career-defining moments to the evolving landscape of clinics and expos. They dive into the challenges of teaching, the importance of financial literacy for trainers, and the realities of balancing family life with a demanding career. As a past Road to the Horse competitor, Cole shares his insights on the event, reflecting on his experience in the competition and its impact on the industry.

Joseph Bentz is a horse trainer and rancher from Jentura, Oregon. Joseph grew up on his family's ranch in eastern Oregon. After deciding that college was not the path he wanted to take, he worked for Nick Dowers for two years in Dyer, Nevada. In Dyer, Joseph not only honed his horse training ability, but also learned to manage people and better run a ranch. Today, he heads up the colt starting program at his family's Spur Brand Horse Program in Oregon. Every year the Bentz family puts on the Ranchers Horse Sale. For more information you can visit their website at www.ranchershorsesale.com.Joseph will be competing in the Road to The Horse 2025 as a wild card competitor. If you'd like to watch him in Road to The Horse, he will be competing starting March 27th in Lexington, KY. A livestream is available at Road to The Horse's Youtube Channel.If you'd like to learn from experienced horsemen like Joseph Bentz, you can purchase Cowboy Week at nickdowers.com/cowboy-week. Use coupon code "ONTHEMOVE" for 10% off your purchase at checkout.

Tommy Kilgore is a farrier and clinician from Morris, Oklahoma. Tommy has made a living shoeing everything from backyard kid ponies to high end western performance horses. Graduating from Oklahoma Farrier's College at the age of 17, Tommy had the opportunity to be mentored by the legendary Bud Beaston. For over 35 years Tommy has worked to continue his education and improve on every aspect of his work, from the routine trim, to corrective shoeing. Today, in addition to his farrier work, Tommy travels the country teaching clinics to help people trim and shoe in a way that better helps the horse. Join Joe as he sits down to learn more about Tommy's story and his goals for the future.

Rye McKay is a cowboy from Northern Nevada and a founding father of Cowboy Week. Rye grew up in the ranching industry, learning his foundation for stockmanship and horsemanship from his father. At 18, Rye got his first camp job and has been working with horses, cattle and dogs ever since. Joe sits down with Rye to discuss cowboy week, learning from others and developing a sense of self.If you’re interested in learning from horsemen like Rye McKay, Nick Dowers and others, go to https://nickdowers.com/cowboy-week/ and use promo code “onthemove” to get 10% off your purchase.

Ty Evans, along with his wife Skye, owns and operates TS Mules. Ty has made a name for himself in the mule world as a clinician and trainer. Originally from Utah, Ty grew up around mules and horses and was later influenced by teachers such as former podcast guest, Brad Cameron. Today, Ty travels the country with his family teaching "mulemanship" clinics in addition to online teaching, writing articles and producing a podcast. Ty joins Ben and Joe to visit about his unique lifestyle and his horsemanship philosophy. You can find out more about Ty and his business by going to https://tsmules.com/ or following TS Mules on Instagram and Facebook.

This week on On the Move, Ben and Joe chat with Chris Dickinson, a renowned Western photographer known for his hands-on approach to capturing powerful, iconic images. Driven by a passion for creative exploration, Chris goes to great lengths to get the perfect shot, often in challenging conditions. Inspired in his youth by National Geographic and LIFE magazines, Chris now captures intimate, authentic moments with the people of the American West, gaining unique access to ranches and families. His work has been featured in top publications like American Quarter Horse Association, Cowgirl Magazine, and Western Horseman, and in ad campaigns for brands like KFC and Choice Hotels. Based in Utah, Chris also leads photography retreats for aspiring photographers. Discover his work on Instagram and Facebook and listen to him now here on On the Move. Website: https://www.cdphotog.com/ Instagram: @cdphotog Facebook: Chris Dickinson Photography

Cliff Williamson joins us for an in depth look at changes coming to the horse industry in 2025. From new laws and regulations to how these shifts could impact horse owners, trainers and businesses. We also dive into a lively, good natured debate about opposing political views that led to a meaningful discussion centered on what kind of reform we wish to see come from the highest office in the land. And of course we couldn't help breaking down the season finale of Yellowstone, commenting on the quirks of modern filmmaking.