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The Specialty Matcha Podcast is hosted by Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li, cofounders of Sanko Matcha Products. We discuss the growth in popularity of matcha, innovation, and matcha science. We also interview thought leaders, tea merchants, and tea educators to discuss everything from sourcing, processing, blending, milling, storytelling, health claims, and much more.

Sanko Matcha Products is a startup dedicated to using functional design to create contemporary matcha gear and the use of new technology to innovate the matcha milling process.
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In this episode, Khun Gan from TeaismExplorer shares his journey with tea, from working in Uji to becoming the first Thai-national Nihoncha Instructor. We explore the nuances of matcha production, regional labeling, and the evolving tea industry in Japan and Thailand.IG: @teaism.explorer
Next Level Specialty

Next Level Specialty

2026-02-1901:23:58

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) share their experiences and learnings from their recent trip to Kyoto, where they met renowned matcha farmer Tsuji-san, toured Marukyu Koyamaen, and visited Baisa Nakamura. They deep dive into insights from Tsuji-san on matcha fertilization, innovations happening in the world of matcha, and cross-cultural exchanges happening in contemporary tea culture.
In this episode, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun (Sam) Li delve into the complexities surrounding how the word "matcha" is being used by both marketers and consumers all over the world. The conversation highlights the fluidity of matcha's identity historically, is use and perhaps misuse today, and the importance of education in understanding both historical and contemporary tea cultures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KirlTPzWoqoIn this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) sit down with the founder of ChaEn Tea Experience in Bangkok, khun Big. They discuss the unique cultivation of Jinxuan cultivar matcha in northern Thailand and the art of blending Thai and Japanese cultivars. The conversation covers the evolution of consumer preferences in Thailand, the impact of COVID on tea education, and the challenges of maintaining quality amidst rising prices with the matcha boom in Japan.IG: @chaen.tea.exhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/QmkgpfbVwGRGCDcZ6
https://sankomatcha.com/collections/tenchaBuy Tencha References Online (a very humble start of a list! Please forgive us, sourcing tencha is very difficult at the moment): In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the complexities of matcha and tea tasting, emphasizing the importance of reliable references for building a mental model of flavors. They discuss the balance between transparency in labeling and the enjoyment of tea, the significant role of marketing in perceived quality, and the challenges of consumer education in the tea industry. The conversation highlights the need for reference samples and the potential future of matcha in specialty markets, advocating for a community-driven approach to education and appreciation of tea on objective truths such as where the tencha was grown, how long it was shaded, the method of shading, fertilizers applied, harvest season, harvest method, processing techniques and cultivar used.
https://youtu.be/H_hEuvftkrwIn this episode of the Speciality Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with khun Jev of MTCH™ in Bangkok. They delve into the nuances of matcha production, matcha extraction theory, flavor profiles, specialty matcha culture in Thailand. The conversation highlights the evolution of consumer preferences and the importance of transparency and education in building trust with matcha enthusiasts.This episode was recorded in person at the MTCH Ari location in November, 2025IG: @mtch.official
2026 Predictions

2026 Predictions

2026-01-0801:04:15

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their experiences and insights from the past year in the matcha industry, reflecting on the lessons learned in the past year. They also share their predictions for the coming year in the matcha industry.
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Simona Suzuki from the Global Japanese Tea Association. They discuss the origins of the association, its mission to connect tea lovers and producers, and the challenges faced by the Japanese tea industry, particularly in light of the recent matcha boom. Simona shares insights on community engagement, education, and the importance of balancing tradition with innovation in tea culture. The conversation highlights the need for younger generations to get involved in the tea industry and the association's efforts to foster a global tea community.https://gjtea.org/https://www.youtube.com/@GlobalJapaneseTeaAssociation
In this episode, Ryan and Sam (Zongjun) discuss the evolution of matcha with guests Jules Reyes and Marc St Raymond, formerly of the Jade Leaf Matcha. They explore the journey of matcha from a niche product to a mainstream beverage, the importance of consumer education, and the challenges of preparing matcha in cafes. The conversation delves into the significance of feedback in shaping matcha programs, the role of marketing in consumer expectations, and the future trends in the matcha industry. They also touch on the importance of transparency and the need for a deeper understanding of matcha quality among consumers. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of matcha consumption, exploring consumer preferences, the importance of education, and the cultural significance of matcha. They discuss the balance between traditional preparation methods and modern practices, emphasizing the need for innovation in the matcha industry. The introduction of Mindful Drops, a new product aimed at bringing the benefits of l-theanine in everyday life, highlights the accessibility of matcha's calming and focusing effects to a broader audience.https://www.matchaprogram.com/https://thematchaprogram.substack.com/IG: @matchaprogramIG: @mindfuldropsIG: @julesreyes_IG: @marcstraymond
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with with Dr. Rebecca Corbett, a historian specializing the history and practice of Japanese tea culture (chanoyu), and early modern Japanese women’s history. Dr. Corbett shares her personal journey into the world of tea and discusses the complexities of gender roles within tea practices. The conversation also touches on the influence of the Urasenke school, the secretive nature of knowledge transmission in Chanoyu, and the institutionalized sexism present in Japanese society. Dr. Corbett's book, Cultivating Femininity: Women and Tea Culture in Edo and Meiji Japan, sheds light on the women who were written out of tea history and disproves orthodox narratives perpetuated by the largest and most powerful schools of tea ceremony in the world. https://libraries.usc.edu/person/rebecca-corbetthttps://theconversation.com/green-gruel-pea-soup-what-westerners-thought-of-matcha-when-they-tried-it-for-the-first-time-263014?utm_medium=article_clipboard_share&utm_source=theconversation.comhttps://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/30216https://globaltea.ucdavis.edu/
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their journey in developing a countertop matcha mill and the challenges they face in sourcing high-quality tencha. They explore the unexpected flavor profiles discovered in fresh milled gyokuro and the science behind milling and flavor extraction. The conversation delves into the contradictions within the matcha industry, the power dynamics at play, and the future of specialty matcha.
The Price of Transparency

The Price of Transparency

2025-11-1301:02:34

In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the complexities of transparency in the matcha industry. They discuss the challenges faced by farmers and brands in sharing sourcing information, the importance of consumer education, and the evolving market dynamics that influence pricing and quality. Ultimately, they envision a future where consumer preferences shape the matcha landscape, leading to a richer and more diverse culture around matcha consumption.
Matcha Sensory

Matcha Sensory

2025-11-0601:12:38

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore matcha through the lens of sensory science, flavor profiling, and quality assessment. They discuss cultural perspectives on taste, the socially-constructed nature of quality assessment, the role of descriptive analysis, and different frameworks for tasting. The episode concludes with comparative tastings examining the effects of temperature and dilution in matcha preparation, differences across matcha blends, and a comparison between two hand-picked, single-cultivar Asahi matchas made from Uji-grown tencha: one organic and kanreisha (shelf) shaded, the other conventionally grown and honzu shaded.
Currency of Trust

Currency of Trust

2025-10-2355:18

*Correction: Uji City produced only 37.6 tons of tencha in 2024, not 70 tons. I confused this number with the area of actively farmed tea cultivation in Uji City which is 73.6 hectares (source: https://www.pref.kyoto.jp/nosan/documents/r6chachosa2.pdf)In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the intricate relationship between trust and the matcha industry. They explore how trust serves as the primary undercurrent of the industry, the complexities surrounding Uji matcha, and the challenges of mislabeling and transparency in the supply chain. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the context behind matcha sourcing and production, as well as the evolving expectations of consumers in a rapidly changing market.
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) welcome Lissi and Zach from Cosmic Cultures. They discuss the importance of low intervention agricultural practices in matcha, especially regarding the use of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides . The conversation delves into the importance of building relationships with farmers, the evolving landscape of matcha sourcing, and the significance of educating consumers about the quality and taste of naturally grown matcha. They also touch on the future of the matcha industry and the impact of organic certifications on consumer choices.https://cosmic-cultures.com/
Korean Matcha (Malcha)

Korean Matcha (Malcha)

2025-10-0956:55

In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore the history and evolving landscape of matcha and Korean tea culture. They discuss the globalization of matcha, the impact of Japanese colonial history, and the modern practices of tea production in Korea, particularly in regions like Jeju Island but also Boseong and Hadong. The conversation highlights the unique characteristics of Korean matcha, its potential in the global market, and the cultural narratives surrounding tea. The Korean Way of Tea in History and Today (Lecturer: Brother Anthony)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE9laWgT5gE
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with Oscar Brekell, a renowned expert and author in Japanese tea. He is the founder of the tea brand Senchaism, author of multiple books including A beginner's guide to Japanese Tea, and is a certified Nihoncha instructor.They explore Oscar's journey into the world of Japanese tea, the inner workings of tea research institutes, and the significance of cultivar development and processing techniques in shaping the flavors of tea. The conversation delves into the tea ecosystem in Japan, the auction systems, and the evolving landscape of matcha cultivation. Oscar emphasizes the importance of processing over terroir in determining the quality of tea and providing insights into the future of tea cultivation. This conversation explores the modern interpretation of single origin and the implications of a globalized matcha market. They also highlight the changing preferences of younger consumers and the potential future of tea consumption.Our new podcast music is here! Huge thanks to Garrett Rabian for composing and recording it.https://www.instagram.com/brekell/https://senchaism.myshopify.com/https://www.brekell.com/
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Sam (Zongjun) reflect on the evolution of matcha culture, the challenges posed by a global shortage, and the importance of embracing new consumer trends. They discuss the cultural shifts in matcha consumption, the stigmatization of non-Japanese matcha, and the need for a more inclusive global matcha community. The conversation highlights the potential for matcha to thrive as a global beverage while addressing the complexities of supply and quality.
In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Carolina , founder of Soy Té, who shares her tea journey. Carolina discusses the evolution of the matcha scene in Mexico, the different consumer groups, and the cultural influences on matcha consumption. She also shares her experiences in Japan, the challenges of sourcing quality matcha, and the importance of educating consumers about matcha. The conversation highlights the need for transparency in the industry and the significance of maintaining cultural appreciation in the tea world.https://soyte.mx/IG: @soytemx
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview Abby, a matcha scientist, who shares her journey from getting a PhD in chemical engineering at Stanford to exploring the world of matcha. The conversation delves into the science behind matcha, the challenges in researching it, and the importance of consumer education and transparency in the matcha industry. Abby discusses her use of colorimetry to measure matcha quality and the need for more scientific studies on matcha's health benefits. The episode concludes with Abby's future plans for her content and community engagement.Follow Abby: @thematchascientistthematchascientist.com
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