No Cap by CRE Daily

Season 4, Episode 3: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Kevin Heras, CEO of InvestNext, to explore how a Detroit-built platform is reshaping how real estate firms raise and manage capital. Kevin shares his path from Spain to Michigan Tech to the early Handshake days, then explains the first InvestNext prototype and why standardizing subscriptions, funding, and reporting matters for both GPs and LPs. He breaks down sponsor best practices, the case for partnerships over vertical integration, and where proptech is heading as data and building connectivity unlock better decisions. He also previews what’s next at InvestNext and how potential accreditation changes could expand access to private real estate. TOPICS 0:09 – From Spain to Detroit and Early Influences 3:06 – Handshake Lessons and Startup Bug 5:57 – Corporate Consulting to Entrepreneurship 9:21 – What InvestNext Is and Who It Serves 11:02 – Standardizing Subscriptions, Funding, Reporting 12:01 – One Portal for LPs Across Sponsors 17:32 – What Makes a Good Sponsor vs a Bad Sponsor 21:02 – Partnerships Over Vertical Integration 29:37 – Proptech Outlook and Market Discipline 35:24 – What’s Next for InvestNext and Access to Capital Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 2: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Rick Schaupp, Managing Director at Clarion Partners, for an inside look at one of the country’s largest private real estate investment managers. Rick traces his path from architecture and urban design to managing Clarion’s $70B platform, shares what it was like to start his career during the tech bust and 9/11, and explains why Clarion is expanding into semi-liquid funds for retail investors. He also breaks down today’s biggest investment themes—from multifamily and warehousing to senior housing and industrial outdoor storage—and reflects on where we are in the real estate cycle. TOPICS 00:09 – Rick’s Architecture Roots and Move to Clarion 02:00 – Asset Management During the Tech Bust and 9/11 06:10 – Shifting From Institutional to Private Wealth 07:20 – Semi-Liquid Fund Structure and Daily NAV 12:01 – Investment Themes Across Housing, Industrial, Healthcare 15:30 – Office Reality vs. Winners and Losers 20:30 – Alternatives Like IOS, Self Storage, Senior Housing 25:51 – How Clarion Allocates Across Credit, Equity, Regions 31:14 – Capital Strategy and New Products 35:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 38:34 – Career Advice for Recent Grads Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 1: We’re back with a brand-new season of No Cap — and we’re starting big. Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Owen Thomas, CEO of BXP and the largest office landlord in the United States, to launch Season 4 in style. From a Virginia dairy farm to Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, and now leading the country’s largest office landlord, Owen shares the pivotal moments that shaped his career. He discusses succeeding Mort Zuckerman at BXP, the evolution of office demand, work-from-home and hybrid dynamics, BXP’s 343 Madison project, and how AI may reshape the future of office space. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:00 – From Virginia roots to Morgan Stanley Real Estate 04:33 – Leading in Asia and the 2008 financial crisis 06:15 – Lehman Brothers board and the largest bankruptcy in history 14:36 – Rise of REITs and capital markets 15:42 – Taking over as CEO of BXP and succeeding Mort Zuckerman 21:05 – Office demand, work-from-home, and hybrid dynamics 30:00 – Gateway markets, regional differences, and 343 Madison 41:00 – Development challenges and suburban vs. urban performance 47:32 – AI’s impact, leadership lessons, and the future of BXP Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 12: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Brown, Co-President of Brookfield’s Real Estate Group and Head of the Americas, to talk about the pivotal moments that shaped his career and the strategies behind some of Brookfield’s biggest deals. From breaking into Brookfield during the financial crisis to leading $10B+ acquisitions like GGP and Forest City, Ben shares the lessons learned, the risks taken, and the culture that keeps Brookfield ahead in a shifting real estate market. He also opens up about where he sees opportunity today, from retail and housing to data centers and hospitality. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:39 – Early career and first steps in real estate 07:58 – Joining Brookfield during the financial crisis 12:30 – Why 2018 became a record year of deals 15:05 – Inside the GGP acquisition and retail strategy 25:00 – How Brookfield structures capital 29:33 – Forest City and investing in urban cores 36:57 – Shifts in apartments, logistics, and strategy 42:28 – Where Ben sees opportunity now 49:00 – Hospitality plays in the US, India, and Europe 53:42 – Brookfield’s edge in capital markets 59:02 – Culture and teamwork at scale Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit: https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered “No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily), which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest-growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 11: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with MaryAnne Gilmartin, Founder and CEO of MAG Partners, to talk about the pivotal moments, high-stakes decisions, and unconventional moves that have defined her career and shaped New York City’s skyline. From her Brooklyn roots to steering some of Manhattan’s most high-profile projects, MaryAnne shares what it takes to lead in real estate’s most competitive market, how she approaches affordable housing, and where she still sees opportunity when others hesitate. TOPICS 00:09 – Introduction 00:42 – Brooklyn roots and early career steps 02:51 – Koch era New York and the public sector 04:59 – Why retail matters to a project’s success 10:21 – The West Side before Hudson Yards 12:18 – Bruce Ratner and the Forest City years 21:06 – Leading through high-stakes moments 29:49 – Mentors and management lessons 43:18 – Working with communities and affordable housing 47:21 – Closing and thank you Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit: https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered “No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily), which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest-growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 10: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik talk with Jon Siegel—Partner and CIO at RailField—about building through one of the toughest market cycles, what went wrong after early success, and why staying active matters more than ever. They also get into the private credit boom, the myth of distress deals, and where real opportunities still exist. TOPICS 00:09 – Opening and Jon’s Background 04:22 – Starting RailField with $50M of Institutional Capital 06:03 – Early Deals and Gaining Credibility 10:18 – The Rise of Preferred Equity and Private Credit 14:15 – Why Distress Hasn’t Hit and What Happens Next 20:00 – Market Timing, Cycles, and Staying in the Game 24:08 – Vintage Deals, Underwriting, and What Still Works 27:00 – Portfolio Strategy and Working with Institutional Capital 32:58 – Long-Term Bullishness on Multifamily 36:41 – Final Thoughts and Outlook for 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 9: Craig Deitelzweig is redefining office real estate—one scent, doorman, and house car at a time. In this episode, the CEO of Marx Realty shares how he's leading the hotelization of office buildings—and why most landlords are stuck in the past. From signature scents and concierge-level service to rooftop lounges and Porsche house cars, Craig explains how his team is turning tired Class B assets into high-demand, high-rent destinations. TOPICS 00:00 – Alec Baldwin and Barber Chair Banter 02:00 – From Lawyer to CEO: Craig’s Path to Marx Realty 07:15 – 10 Grand Central: Turning a Drag Into a Destination 14:00 – House Cars, Gelato, and Hospitality That Converts 19:00 – How Amenities Deliver ROI (and Surprise Revenue) 23:00 – Baccarat Branding and the “Club” Office Experience 28:00 – Midtown’s Strength vs Downtown’s Struggles 33:00 – DC’s Turnaround and What It Means for CRE 42:00 – Retail Expansion and What’s Powering It 48:00 – Capital Markets Outlook and the Return of LPs Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 8: Jonathan Kaufman Iger is turning Sage Realty into the first true commercial real estate brand. In this episode, the CEO of Sage shares how a 100-year-old family business is evolving to meet the demands of modern office users. From tenant experience to hospitality-driven operations, Jonathan explains why most landlords are getting it wrong—and what it takes to build trust, loyalty, and a competitive edge in today's bifurcated market. We discuss: – Sage’s shift from ownership to brand identity – Lessons from leasing, portfolio resets, and UK exits – Workplace services that actually matter to tenants – The real reason gyms and lounges often fail TOPICS 00:00 – Cold open and NYC credibility 03:10 – Family roots in New York real estate 11:00 – Taking the long road to Sage 21:00 – Building UrbanGrad and early Facebook ads 28:30 – The conversation that changed everything 35:15 – Refocusing the portfolio on NYC office 43:20 – Lessons from WeWork and building a brand 50:15 – Turning Sage into a tenant-first platform 58:00 – How Sage personalizes service at scale 1:07:00 – Final thoughts on hospitality and vision Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 7: Janet LePage, CEO of Western Wealth Capital, joins the show to share how she scaled from flipping homes in Phoenix to managing over 30,000 units across the Sunbelt, with $4B in real estate transactions under her belt. In this episode, Janet opens up about the pressure of navigating one of the fastest interest rate hikes in modern history and how her firm managed to stay aggressive in the Sunbelt while others pulled back. From installing washers and dryers to unlock millions in value to vertically integrating WWC in just 26 days during COVID, Janet breaks down how bold decisions and operational precision kept her portfolio alive when others were sinking. We discuss: – Her journey from flipping homes to building WWC – The moment she felt “truly wealthy” (hint: it involved a pickle sandwich) – How her 83-point checklist drives fast, repeatable value-adds – Why she vertically integrated WWC during COVID in just 26 days – The first deal she’s bought in three years—and why it's 43% below replacement cost TOPICS 00:00 – Janet’s Start: From Coder to First Flip 05:00 – Flipping Homes While Working a 9-to-5 12:00 – Buying 23 Units 26 Days Before Birth 18:00 – Scaling Through Systems and Syndication 25:00 – Raising Millions and Launching WWC 32:00 – The Washer-Dryer Strategy That Changed Everything 38:00 – Breaking Into Texas and Going Institutional 45:00 – Vertical Integration and COVID Shifts 51:00 – Lessons from Rate Hikes and Bridge Debt 55:00 – New Opportunities: Buying 43% Below Replacement Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 6: Andy Weiner, CEO of RockStep Capital, joins the show to explain why the retail apocalypse was overhyped and how his firm is turning overlooked malls into long-term cash-flow plays. With 50+ shopping centers under management, Andy walks through the real risks, the CMBS fallout, and why Class B markets still offer upside, if you know how to operate. We discuss: – Why “retail is dead” doesn’t hold up in the data – The problem with chasing national tenants – How to convert retail boxes into healthcare and entertainment – Why CMBS debt caused lasting damage to retail. TOPICS 00:00 – Cold Open and Retail Misconceptions 02:20 – Andy’s Path and RockStep’s Strategy 07:00 – The Retail Apocalypse Was Overblown 10:30 – Picking Markets and Making Malls Work 15:45 – Why Big Boxes Can Hurt NOI 20:10 – CMBS Mistakes and Risk Discipline 26:00 – Repurposing Retail Into Healthcare and Entertainment 32:00 – Leasing Timelines and Tenant Credit Today 37:50 – Anchor Replacements and Nontraditional Uses 44:30 – Pricing Gaps, Cap Rates, and Lender Pullback 50:00 – What’s Next for Retail in 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 5: Brian Cohen, CEO of Andover Properties, joins the show for a candid deep dive into how he scaled a self-storage empire and why the best buying opportunities today are in the asset classes no one wanted a decade ago. From distressed storage deals and long lease-ups to launching a credit platform with Angelo Gordon, Brian breaks down what makes Andover different and why data, automation, and institutional discipline give them a lasting edge. We discuss: – Why self-storage outperformed during the GFC – How lease-up timelines have doubled post-COVID – What most operators miss about private credit – Wild stories from inside storage units Brian also shares why he avoids third-party management, what makes below-replacement-cost deals so compelling, and how Andover uses AI to make smarter decisions across all verticals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro and Sleep Tech Rant 02:00 – From Tishman Speyer to Self-Storage 06:00 – Lack of Sophistication in Early Storage Industry 10:00 – Lease-Up Timelines and Developer Distress 14:30 – Loan Acquisitions and Launching a Lending Platform 19:00 – Why They Avoid Third-Party Management 22:30 – Drug Busts, Guns, and Other Storage Finds 26:00 – The Car Wash Thesis and Token Economics 30:00 – AI Tools and Andover’s Data Strategy 34:00 – Buying 50% Below Replacement Cost 38:00 – Cycle Outlook and What’s Next for Andover Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 4: Rich Hill, Global Head of Real Estate Strategy at Principal Asset Management, joins the show for a candid deep dive into the state of CRE in 2025, from CMBS and construction lending to the hype around AI data centers. With over $100B in real estate under management, Rich explains why office isn’t dead, where multifamily pricing is off, and how investors are recalibrating their return expectations. We discuss: – Why debt is suddenly back in favor – What’s fueling (and threatening) the data center boom – Where office sentiment is quietly shifting – The truth behind the “housing shortage” narrative Rich brings clarity to the chaos, offering a rare look at how one of the industry’s largest real estate platforms is navigating 2025. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro & Birthday Surprise 03:00 – Rich’s Career Path + Joining Principal 06:00 – How Principal Allocates Capital in Today’s Market 10:30 – Debt, Construction Lending, and CMBS Strategy 15:40 – Data Centers, AI Demand, and Market Caution 22:30 – Office Outlook and Why Originations Are Ticking Up 28:00 – Living Strategies, Seniors Housing, and Multifamily Mispricing 33:50 – US vs. Europe: Capital Sentiment and Cross-Border Strategy 39:20 – Tariffs, Onshoring, and Resilient Cash Flows 43:00 – Return Expectations for CRE in 2025 and Beyond 47:00 – Final Thoughts on Alternatives and Outlook Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 3: Tommy Lee, Global Head of Capital Markets at Trammell Crow Company, joins No Cap podcast for a deep dive into the return of institutional capital—and what it signals for commercial real estate in 2025. Under Lee’s leadership, Trammell Crow has raised and deployed over $22 billion since 2018, fueling large-scale development across major U.S. markets. In this episode, he breaks down how global capital is reentering the space, what risks are being mispriced, and why some deals just don’t pencil—no matter how they look on paper. We discuss: – The return of institutional investors and what it means for deal flow – Execution risk and capital stack dynamics in today’s market – Why distressed deals might not be the opportunity everyone thinks – The illusion of “risk-free” Treasuries and potential cracks in the system Thomas doesn’t hold back—and his perspective offers rare insight into how one of the industry’s top players is navigating the current CRE landscape. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:00 – CRE Pipeline Activity and Investor Sentiment 10:00 – Managing Relationships and Finding Real Opportunity 15:00 – Office Skepticism and Repositioning Challenges 20:02 – What the Capital Markets Team Is Seeing Nationwide 25:00 – Risk, Return, and Raising Capital in Today’s Climate 30:00 – Creative Structuring and Non-Traditional Capital 35:00 – What LPs Care About in 2025 40:00 – Regional Plays, Execution Risk, and Exit Timing 45:00 – What Makes a Deal Worth Saying No To 50:00 – Advice for the Next Generation of Real Estate Leaders Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 2: In this episode of No Cap Podcast, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with John Imbriglia, CEO of Crowd Street, and Anna-Marie Allander Lieb, Investment Director, to discuss the company’s remarkable recovery from the $63M fraud scandal that rocked its platform. John and Anna-Marie dive deep into how they turned a crisis into one of the biggest expansions in private equity. The duo reveals their shift from crowdfunding to private equity, how they're leveraging AI for smarter due diligence, and why more Americans are moving away from traditional financial advisors in favor of self-directed investing. TOPICS 00:00 - Introduction 05:00 - The Nightingale Fraud Scandal 10:00 - John's Background and Expansion Vision 15:00 - Due Diligence and Sponsor Vetting 20:00 - Technology Updates and Brand Strategy 25:00 - Building Trust Without Financial Advisors 30:00 - AI Integration and Portfolio Management 35:00 - Multifamily and Retail 40:00 - Conservative Leverage and Credit Approach 44:00 - Fall Launch Timeline for Private Markets Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 1: In this episode, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik are joined by Tom Kennedy, Head of Research and Investment Strategy for Real Estate Americas at J.P. Morgan Asset Management. A "recovering central banker," Tom drops some of the boldest predictions we've heard, including a direct callout to the Federal Reserve. Tom reveals why your portfolio strategy might be in trouble, shares insider data impacting half of America, and tells you where to place your bets for 2025. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:47 – From Fed to JP Morgan 12:15 – JP Morgan's Bold CRE Prediction 18:32 – How Deglobalization Changes Everything 25:16 – Multifamily: The Most Obvious Investment Play 32:45 – Data Centers: Real Estate or Infrastructure? 38:12 – The Death of 60/40 and Rise of Alternatives 44:28 – Immigration, AI, and Labor Market Disruption 49:15 – Interest Rates and Fed Independence Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 2, Episode 13: In this episode of No Cap Podcast by CRE Daily, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Don Tepman, the man behind The Strip Mall Guy. Don shares the story of how a single Twitter post launched a thriving commercial real estate brand and led to millions in deals. He reveals how going public transformed everything, why he doesn’t believe in real estate courses, and how he’s built a business around value-add strip malls. Don also discusses his rise from broker to principal, his strategy for building strong broker relationships, and the role AI might play in shaping the future of real estate. Plus, get an exclusive look into his legendary annual gala and what makes it so special. Whether you’re into real estate, deal-making, or just love a great story, this episode is for you! CHAPTERS 00:00 - Introduction 08:31 - Going Public & Deal Flow Explosion 15:28 - From Broker to Principal 22:33 - Value-Add Strategy & Market Challenges 27:48 - Broker Relations & Fund Structure 31:32 - Social Media Strategy & Real Estate Courses 35:15 - Advice for Newcomers & Importance of Mentorship 41:39 - Annual Gala Preview & Closing Thoughts For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 2, Episode 12: In this episode of The No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the madness of the week’s biggest headlines, including Trump’s unexpected tariff drop, the resurgence of REITs, and Meta’s new data center. They also dive into why Shein and Temu may be facing serious troubles and what all of this means for the economy and real estate. From inflation to energy crises, the latest on the stock market to a birthday bobblehead discussion — this episode has it all. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Introduction 05:11 - Hooters’ Bankruptcy & Rebrand 09:17 - REITs vs Developers 14:56 - Treasuries, Tariffs & China 21:15 - Long-Term Strategy 25:10 - Inflation, Real Estate & The Dollar 31:28 - Meta’s Data Center & Energy 34:38 - Detroit, AI & Housing Crisis We want to thank our sponsor Greysteel.  For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.  

Season 2, Episode 11: In this episode of No Cap by CRE Daily, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik are joined by CNBC’s Senior Retail Reporter, Courtney Reagan, to discuss the fast-evolving retail market. From Q4 earnings to tariff shocks and the future of physical retail, Courtney breaks down the latest trends and challenges facing major brands like Walmart, Gap, and luxury retailers on Fifth Avenue. They dive deep into how the retail environment is shifting, with policy changes, economic uncertainty, and evolving consumer behavior at the forefront. Plus, Courtney shares insights on why some retailers are struggling, how e-commerce is reshaping the landscape, and what the future holds for in-store shopping. CHAPTERS: 00:00 – Introduction 04:52 – Wealth Perception & Consumer Spending 14:55 – Groceries, Inflation, and the Future of Big Box Retail 20:18 – Retail Stress: Fed’s Impact & Luxury Brands 33:31 – Manufacturers & Nostalgia's Influence on Consumers 41:55 – Persisting Tariffs & Evolving Retail 48:31 – Retail Return Fraud & TJ Maxx's Dynamic Inventory We want to thank our sponsor Greysteel.  For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 2, Episode 10: In this episode of the No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Spencer Burton, co-founder of Adventures in CRE and CRE Agents, to explore how technology and innovation are transforming the real estate industry. With years of experience in real estate, Spencer shares how he revolutionized the field by creating essential financial modeling tools used by thousands and pioneering AI-powered digital coworkers. From his early days as an analyst to founding AC and now leading CR Agents, Spencer gives us an insider's view of the future of real estate, where automation and digital entities will take on repetitive tasks and allow professionals to elevate their work. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Introduction 04:00 - Community & Free Models 12:34 - The ACR Project & Accelerator Program 18:21 - Land Brokerage & Panama 24:26 - Time, Growth & Consulting 31:54 - Stablewood & Tech 40:34 - Vertical AI Platforms & Digital Coworkers 48:10 - AI Future & Fun We want to thank our sponsor Greysteel.  For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 2, Episode 9: In this episode of the No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Marc DeLuca, CEO of KBS, to explore how the firm has navigated the ever-changing landscape of office real estate. With over 30 years of experience in the industry, Marc has managed billions of dollars in real estate across the Eastern U.S. and Mid-Atlantic regions, overseeing some of the most strategic acquisitions in the office sector. He shares the secrets to KBS’s success, from innovative office amenities to a renewed focus on tenant relationships. Learn how KBS has continued to excel in the office space market despite the challenges posed by COVID-19, economic uncertainty, and shifting workplace trends. CHAPTERS: 00:00 – Introduction 09:53 – Shifting Focus & Challenges 19:44 – Tenant Support & Interest Rates 25:22 – Return to Office & Recovery 35:14 – Leasing Demand & Corporate Moves 43:33 – Financing in Uncertain Times 49:35 – Top Markets & KBS Adaptation 57:02 – Innovative Amenities & Trends We want to thank our sponsor Greysteel.  For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.