No Cap by CRE Daily

Season 5, Episode 2: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with David Auerbach, CIO at Hoya Capital and a leading REIT strategist known for his deep read on public real estate markets. David explains the current state of REITs, where valuations stand, which sectors are positioned for recovery, and how capital is behaving differently across public vs. private markets. He highlights key themes shaping 2025–26, including liquidity pressures, balance sheet strength, and the growing gap between winners and laggards. David also shares what investors often overlook and how to read the signals that matter. A must-listen for anyone watching the REIT landscape closely. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:02 – Data Centers, Cell Towers, and Misunderstood REIT Sectors 05:02 – Media Narratives vs. Real REIT Fundamentals 07:03 – Why REITs Stay Cheap: Sentiment, Rates, and Risk Appetite 11:28 – The REIT Dividend Machine and Long-Term Compounding 17:01 – SL Green Case Study and Smart-Money Office Signals 22:40 – Sector Deep Dive: VICI, Vegas, Retail, and Data Centers 25:21 – NAV Discounts, M&A Activity, and REIT Consolidation 33:26 – Housing Crisis, SFR Growth, and Multifamily Cap Rates 43:18 – Mortgage REITs, Preferreds, and Signs of Market Turnaround For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 1: We’re officially launching Season 5 of the No Cap Podcast...and we’re starting strong. This week, Jack and Alex sit down with Colin Apple, Co-Chief Investment Officer for Bridge Investment Group’s multifamily platform, one of the largest apartment owners in the country. Bridge was recently acquired by Apollo Global Management, giving the platform expanded access to institutional capital while continuing to operate as a standalone real estate business within Apollo. Colin breaks down how Bridge evaluates dislocation, why capital is behaving the way it is, where they’re still finding opportunity, and what separates durable operators from those getting washed out. If you want a clear read on how one of the most active institutional investors is navigating this cycle, this episode delivers. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:40 – Colin’s Path Into Real Estate and Joining Bridge 04:18 – Building Bridge’s Platform Across Strategies 08:20 – Growth Drivers: Class B/C, Supply, and Rents 10:40 – Coastal vs. Sun Belt and What “Back” Really Means 14:34 – Sun Belt Check: Cap Rates, Supply, and Patience 18:40 – Underwriting With Higher Expenses 21:00 – Navigating the Cycle and Protecting Downside 26:40 – Cap Rates, Return Hurdles, and 2026–27 Outlook 31:30 – Advice for Young Investors and Finding Opportunity For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 12: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Jon Schultz, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Onyx Equities, one of the Northeast’s most active private real estate firms. Schultz—known for turning around complex office, industrial, and retail assets—shares how Onyx repositions properties, adapts across cycles, and captures value in a rapidly evolving market. From life sciences and medical office to AI-driven data centers, he breaks down the trends reshaping the tri-state region, the lessons learned from decades of leadership, and why success now depends on being “customer-obsessed. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – Early Career and Founding Onyx Equities 06:15 – Navigating Market Cycles and Value Creation 09:30 – Office Market Shifts and Tenant Demand 12:45 – Life Sciences and Medical Office Expansion 17:40 – Inside the Data Center Gold Rush 22:15 – Rates, Debt, and Opportunities Ahead 27:48 – Tri-State vs. Sun Belt Market Dynamics 34:05 – Leadership, Adaptability, and Lessons Learned 42:30 – Building a Brand Tenants Trust Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 11: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Yaakov Zar, Founder & CEO of Lev, to unpack how a former tech entrepreneur is changing the way commercial real estate deals get done. Before launching Lev, Yaakov built and sold his first company, Dispatch, to Vista Equity Partners. Today, he’s at the center of CRE’s tech transformation—blending capital markets expertise with AI and automation to simplify how investors and developers secure financing. He shares the story behind Lev’s pivot from brokerage to software, what’s next for AI in real estate, and how data and design will define the next generation of real estate technology. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:00 – Startup Roots and Dispatch Exit 08:44 – How Mortgage Frustration Became Lev’s Origin 14:25 – Digitizing the Financing Experience 19:45 – AI and the Future of CRE Software 25:02 – How Lev Memo Is Changing Deal Execution 31:10 – Agentic AI and Workflow Automation 36:47 – Harnessing Data and Unstructured Information 41:00 – Brokers, Efficiency and Industry Adoption 45:18 – Building Great Software and Leading Through Change Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 10: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Winston Fisher, Partner at Fisher Brothers, one of New York’s most iconic private real estate firms with over 100 years of ownership, development, and management across the city skyline. Winston shares how he’s helping steer the fourth-generation firm into its next era. bridging tradition with technology and culture through projects like AREA15, the immersive entertainment destination in Las Vegas. He discusses innovation inside a legacy business, what it takes to keep a century-old brand relevant, and why experience is becoming real estate’s most valuable asset. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:18 – Growing Up in a Real Estate Legacy 06:47 – Lessons From Family Leadership 11:34 – Reinventing Fisher Brothers for the Future 15:29 – The Story Behind AREA15 21:02 – Real Estate Meets Experience and Culture 26:48 – Why Creativity Drives Modern Development 33:17 – Balancing Risk, Tradition, and Innovation 39:10 – The Future of New York’s Urban Core 45:26 – Leadership, Legacy, and Next-Gen Vision Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 9: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Seth Weissman, Founder and Managing Partner of Urban Standard Capital, to unpack how a former Goldman Sachs and Perry Capital investor built one of New York’s leading private-credit and development platforms. Weissman shares how his equity background shaped Urban Standard’s design-driven, relationship-first approach to lending—and why committed, discretionary capital wins in the middle market. He also reflects on his early West Chelsea bets, the transition from developer to lender, and how disciplined underwriting and creative structuring define USC’s edge today. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:04 – From Goldman Sachs to Perry Capital 07:44 – First Deals and the West Chelsea Strategy 13:32 – Raising Capital and Building Investor Confidence 18:03 – Why Committed Capital Changes the Game 21:59 – Inside the Middle-Market Lending Opportunity 27:23 – Private Credit’s Rise and USC’s Playbook 32:05 – Efficiency and Equity DNA in Underwriting 35:11 – Market Volatility and the Case for Credit 43:34 – Equity Returns with Credit Risk Protection 47:32 – Culture, Partnerships, and Bean the Office Dog Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 8: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Alicia Glen, Founder of M Squared, former Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development in NYC, and Co-Chair of the Gateway Development Commission, to unpack what it really takes to get housing and infrastructure built in America. Glen brings a rare insider view on how public and private sectors collide, the realities of financing affordable housing, and the lessons she learned managing the country’s most complex urban markets. She also shares how M Squared is reimagining capital to drive social impact while staying commercially disciplined, and what cities must do now to stay livable and competitive. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – From Goldman Sachs to City Hall 06:28 – Inside NYC’s Housing Agenda and Early Lessons 10:15 – Building M Squared and Its Mission 14:47 – Politics and Production of Affordable Housing 18:59 – When Public and Private Sectors Collide 23:40 – The Gateway Project and Federal Funding Realities 28:22 – Market Constraints, Zoning Reform and Affordability 33:31 – Structuring Capital for Impact and Scale 38:26 – Lessons From City Hall and Cross-Sector Leadership 47:51 – The Next Chapter for Cities and Urban Development Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 7: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Sharon Wilson Géno, President of the National Multifamily Housing Council (NMHC), the leading voice for America’s apartment industry in Washington. She explains how NMHC is tackling today’s biggest issues—affordability, regulation, and capital—while separating signal from noise on rent control, tax policy, and the GSE debate. Expect practical policy ideas cities are using now (single-stair, fast-track permitting, Florida’s “Live Local”), why Section 8 modernization matters, and what’s really driving insurance and operating costs. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:12 – Career arc and why housing policy became the mission 06:03 – What NMHC does and who it represents 08:14 – NMHC–NAA partnership and three-level advocacy (federal/state/local) 11:01 – Public perception, renters, and reframing the “American Dream” 21:04 – Tax policy: carried interest context and a doubled LIHTC 26:26 – Rent control myths and the Housing Solutions Coalition playbook 33:06 – Real solutions: zoning fixes, single-stair, permitting, Live Local 49:42 – GSE privatization chatter: constraints and market timing 55:56 – Insurance, taxes, labor and the tech/industrialized construction edge Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 6: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Cliff Booth, founder and chairman of Westmount Realty Capital, for a straight-talking look at four decades of success in industrial real estate. Cliff shares how he built one of the most resilient portfolios in the game and what it really takes to stay ahead when the market turns volatile. He reveals the lessons learned from navigating market cycles, rising interest rates, and fierce capital competition, all while avoiding the hype around single-tenant Amazon assets. Expect insider insights on cold storage, flexible industrial, and how relationships still matter in a crowded landscape. TOPICS 0:00 Introduction 4:15 From antiques in Montreal to Dallas industrial real estate 9:45 Building Westmount before e-commerce 15:30 Avoiding Amazon single-tenant hype 22:10 Market cycles and rising rates 28:55 Cold storage and infill industrial 33:40 Capital flood and competition 38:15 Relationships and integrity in deals 43:00 Industrial market outlook and leadership Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 5: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Miller, CEO and Co-Founder of Fundrise, to reveal how technology is transforming commercial real estate investing and changing how retail investors access private markets. Ben shares the story behind Fundrise’s rise to over $7 billion in real estate assets, why commercial real estate investing is all about macro trends now, and what drives the build-to-rent housing wave. He breaks down the latest on private credit, multifamily, and AI in real estate investment management. Plus, find out how Fundrise’s digital platform is making real estate crowdfunding accessible to millions. TOPICS 00:00 Meet Ben Miller 04:45 How Fundrise democratized real estate investing 12:30 Macro trends driving commercial real estate returns 19:55 Build-to-rent strategies and platform innovation 26:40 Private credit and multifamily market shifts 34:10 Securitization and institutional investor trends 41:45 AI’s impact on CRE investment and management 49:10 Fundrise’s outlook for private markets in 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 4: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Brian Pieracci, Head of North American Private Real Estate Equity at Heitman, to examine why alternatives are reshaping commercial real estate portfolios and outperforming traditional core assets. Brian shares how Heitman pioneered allocations towards self-storage, medical offices, senior housing, and single-family rentals. He breaks down what drives demand in these sectors, the challenge facing office real estate, and how institutional investors are changing their strategies in response. Brian also explains Heitman’s global approach to alternative assets and the importance of diversification in today’s market. TOPICS 00:00 Meet Brian Pieracci 05:15 Early bets on alternatives 13:00 Office real estate vs alternatives 21:40 Self-storage and senior housing 29:30 Strategies for global expansion into alternative sectors 37:00 Balancing core, value-add, and alternative assets 44:30 What institutional investors demand from alternative investments 52:10 The future of CRE beyond the office Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 3: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Kevin Heras, CEO of InvestNext, to explore how a Detroit-built platform is reshaping how real estate firms raise and manage capital. Kevin shares his path from Spain to Michigan Tech to the early Handshake days, then explains the first InvestNext prototype and why standardizing subscriptions, funding, and reporting matters for both GPs and LPs. He breaks down sponsor best practices, the case for partnerships over vertical integration, and where proptech is heading as data and building connectivity unlock better decisions. He also previews what’s next at InvestNext and how potential accreditation changes could expand access to private real estate. TOPICS 0:09 – From Spain to Detroit and Early Influences 3:06 – Handshake Lessons and Startup Bug 5:57 – Corporate Consulting to Entrepreneurship 9:21 – What InvestNext Is and Who It Serves 11:02 – Standardizing Subscriptions, Funding, Reporting 12:01 – One Portal for LPs Across Sponsors 17:32 – What Makes a Good Sponsor vs a Bad Sponsor 21:02 – Partnerships Over Vertical Integration 29:37 – Proptech Outlook and Market Discipline 35:24 – What’s Next for InvestNext and Access to Capital Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 2: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Rick Schaupp, Managing Director at Clarion Partners, for an inside look at one of the country’s largest private real estate investment managers. Rick traces his path from architecture and urban design to managing Clarion’s $70B platform, shares what it was like to start his career during the tech bust and 9/11, and explains why Clarion is expanding into semi-liquid funds for retail investors. He also breaks down today’s biggest investment themes—from multifamily and warehousing to senior housing and industrial outdoor storage—and reflects on where we are in the real estate cycle. TOPICS 00:09 – Rick’s Architecture Roots and Move to Clarion 02:00 – Asset Management During the Tech Bust and 9/11 06:10 – Shifting From Institutional to Private Wealth 07:20 – Semi-Liquid Fund Structure and Daily NAV 12:01 – Investment Themes Across Housing, Industrial, Healthcare 15:30 – Office Reality vs. Winners and Losers 20:30 – Alternatives Like IOS, Self Storage, Senior Housing 25:51 – How Clarion Allocates Across Credit, Equity, Regions 31:14 – Capital Strategy and New Products 35:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 38:34 – Career Advice for Recent Grads Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 1: We’re back with a brand-new season of No Cap — and we’re starting big. Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Owen Thomas, CEO of BXP and the largest office landlord in the United States, to launch Season 4 in style. From a Virginia dairy farm to Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, and now leading the country’s largest office landlord, Owen shares the pivotal moments that shaped his career. He discusses succeeding Mort Zuckerman at BXP, the evolution of office demand, work-from-home and hybrid dynamics, BXP’s 343 Madison project, and how AI may reshape the future of office space. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:00 – From Virginia roots to Morgan Stanley Real Estate 04:33 – Leading in Asia and the 2008 financial crisis 06:15 – Lehman Brothers board and the largest bankruptcy in history 14:36 – Rise of REITs and capital markets 15:42 – Taking over as CEO of BXP and succeeding Mort Zuckerman 21:05 – Office demand, work-from-home, and hybrid dynamics 30:00 – Gateway markets, regional differences, and 343 Madison 41:00 – Development challenges and suburban vs. urban performance 47:32 – AI’s impact, leadership lessons, and the future of BXP Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 12: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Brown, Co-President of Brookfield’s Real Estate Group and Head of the Americas, to talk about the pivotal moments that shaped his career and the strategies behind some of Brookfield’s biggest deals. From breaking into Brookfield during the financial crisis to leading $10B+ acquisitions like GGP and Forest City, Ben shares the lessons learned, the risks taken, and the culture that keeps Brookfield ahead in a shifting real estate market. He also opens up about where he sees opportunity today, from retail and housing to data centers and hospitality. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:39 – Early career and first steps in real estate 07:58 – Joining Brookfield during the financial crisis 12:30 – Why 2018 became a record year of deals 15:05 – Inside the GGP acquisition and retail strategy 25:00 – How Brookfield structures capital 29:33 – Forest City and investing in urban cores 36:57 – Shifts in apartments, logistics, and strategy 42:28 – Where Ben sees opportunity now 49:00 – Hospitality plays in the US, India, and Europe 53:42 – Brookfield’s edge in capital markets 59:02 – Culture and teamwork at scale Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit: https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered “No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily), which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest-growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 11: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with MaryAnne Gilmartin, Founder and CEO of MAG Partners, to talk about the pivotal moments, high-stakes decisions, and unconventional moves that have defined her career and shaped New York City’s skyline. From her Brooklyn roots to steering some of Manhattan’s most high-profile projects, MaryAnne shares what it takes to lead in real estate’s most competitive market, how she approaches affordable housing, and where she still sees opportunity when others hesitate. TOPICS 00:09 – Introduction 00:42 – Brooklyn roots and early career steps 02:51 – Koch era New York and the public sector 04:59 – Why retail matters to a project’s success 10:21 – The West Side before Hudson Yards 12:18 – Bruce Ratner and the Forest City years 21:06 – Leading through high-stakes moments 29:49 – Mentors and management lessons 43:18 – Working with communities and affordable housing 47:21 – Closing and thank you Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit: https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered “No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week, co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily), which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest-growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 10: In this episode of No Cap, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik talk with Jon Siegel—Partner and CIO at RailField—about building through one of the toughest market cycles, what went wrong after early success, and why staying active matters more than ever. They also get into the private credit boom, the myth of distress deals, and where real opportunities still exist. TOPICS 00:09 – Opening and Jon’s Background 04:22 – Starting RailField with $50M of Institutional Capital 06:03 – Early Deals and Gaining Credibility 10:18 – The Rise of Preferred Equity and Private Credit 14:15 – Why Distress Hasn’t Hit and What Happens Next 20:00 – Market Timing, Cycles, and Staying in the Game 24:08 – Vintage Deals, Underwriting, and What Still Works 27:00 – Portfolio Strategy and Working with Institutional Capital 32:58 – Long-Term Bullishness on Multifamily 36:41 – Final Thoughts and Outlook for 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 9: Craig Deitelzweig is redefining office real estate—one scent, doorman, and house car at a time. In this episode, the CEO of Marx Realty shares how he's leading the hotelization of office buildings—and why most landlords are stuck in the past. From signature scents and concierge-level service to rooftop lounges and Porsche house cars, Craig explains how his team is turning tired Class B assets into high-demand, high-rent destinations. TOPICS 00:00 – Alec Baldwin and Barber Chair Banter 02:00 – From Lawyer to CEO: Craig’s Path to Marx Realty 07:15 – 10 Grand Central: Turning a Drag Into a Destination 14:00 – House Cars, Gelato, and Hospitality That Converts 19:00 – How Amenities Deliver ROI (and Surprise Revenue) 23:00 – Baccarat Branding and the “Club” Office Experience 28:00 – Midtown’s Strength vs Downtown’s Struggles 33:00 – DC’s Turnaround and What It Means for CRE 42:00 – Retail Expansion and What’s Powering It 48:00 – Capital Markets Outlook and the Return of LPs Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 8: Jonathan Kaufman Iger is turning Sage Realty into the first true commercial real estate brand. In this episode, the CEO of Sage shares how a 100-year-old family business is evolving to meet the demands of modern office users. From tenant experience to hospitality-driven operations, Jonathan explains why most landlords are getting it wrong—and what it takes to build trust, loyalty, and a competitive edge in today's bifurcated market. We discuss: – Sage’s shift from ownership to brand identity – Lessons from leasing, portfolio resets, and UK exits – Workplace services that actually matter to tenants – The real reason gyms and lounges often fail TOPICS 00:00 – Cold open and NYC credibility 03:10 – Family roots in New York real estate 11:00 – Taking the long road to Sage 21:00 – Building UrbanGrad and early Facebook ads 28:30 – The conversation that changed everything 35:15 – Refocusing the portfolio on NYC office 43:20 – Lessons from WeWork and building a brand 50:15 – Turning Sage into a tenant-first platform 58:00 – How Sage personalizes service at scale 1:07:00 – Final thoughts on hospitality and vision Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 3, Episode 7: Janet LePage, CEO of Western Wealth Capital, joins the show to share how she scaled from flipping homes in Phoenix to managing over 30,000 units across the Sunbelt, with $4B in real estate transactions under her belt. In this episode, Janet opens up about the pressure of navigating one of the fastest interest rate hikes in modern history and how her firm managed to stay aggressive in the Sunbelt while others pulled back. From installing washers and dryers to unlock millions in value to vertically integrating WWC in just 26 days during COVID, Janet breaks down how bold decisions and operational precision kept her portfolio alive when others were sinking. We discuss: – Her journey from flipping homes to building WWC – The moment she felt “truly wealthy” (hint: it involved a pickle sandwich) – How her 83-point checklist drives fast, repeatable value-adds – Why she vertically integrated WWC during COVID in just 26 days – The first deal she’s bought in three years—and why it's 43% below replacement cost TOPICS 00:00 – Janet’s Start: From Coder to First Flip 05:00 – Flipping Homes While Working a 9-to-5 12:00 – Buying 23 Units 26 Days Before Birth 18:00 – Scaling Through Systems and Syndication 25:00 – Raising Millions and Launching WWC 32:00 – The Washer-Dryer Strategy That Changed Everything 38:00 – Breaking Into Texas and Going Institutional 45:00 – Vertical Integration and COVID Shifts 51:00 – Lessons from Rate Hikes and Bridge Debt 55:00 – New Opportunities: Buying 43% Below Replacement Shoutout to our sponsor, InvestNext. One platform to raise and manage capital for real estate investment. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.