No Cap by CRE Daily

Season 5, Episode 8: On this episode of the No Cap Podcast, Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Chris Salerno, founder of QC Capital, to break down how he underwrites across multiple real estate verticals and why car washes have quietly become one of the most interesting operating-heavy “real estate plus business” hybrids in the market. Chris explains what actually drives performance in the car wash business, from site selection and membership economics to cost pressures like water and chemicals, and why QC focuses on a more efficient model with shorter tunnels and lower all-in development costs. The conversation also dives into small bay industrial in the Southeast, why the space is heating up, and how Chris thinks about risk as multifamily rent growth slows and the easy era of cap-rate compression fades. A practical, operator-driven look at where real estate returns are really coming from today. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro And Why QC Invests Across Verticals 04:36 – Chris’ Background And How QC Capital Started 08:22 – First Deals: Brokers, Capital, And Getting A Loan Without A Track Record 12:47 – Why QC Moved Beyond Multifamily 13:56 – Why Car Washes: Cash Flow, Tax Benefits, And Vertical Integration 16:44 – Why Multifamily Could Stay Tough Over The Next Cycle 19:15 – The Liquidity Fund: Short-Term Real Estate-Backed Yield 21:38 – Car Wash Fundamentals: Tunnel Design, Equipment, And Build Costs 27:30 – Operations Reality: Water, Chemicals, Staffing, And Automation 34:53 – Small Bay Industrial: Demand, Rents, And Why It’s Heating Up For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 7: Season 5 keeps going with a look at where capital is really moving as the market works through its next phase. Jack and Alex are joined by Matt Brody, Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Capital Formation at Canyon Partners, one of the most active firms in real estate credit and special situations. They get into how Matt’s experience during the GFC shaped his approach to capital raising, how Canyon thinks about structured credit and recapitalizations, and why today’s opportunity set looks more like quiet, intermediated stress than headline distress. The conversation also covers what LPs are prioritizing right now, why credit is back in focus, and what the wall of maturities could mean for the next stretch of the cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro And Canyon’s Role In Real Estate Credit 02:50 – Matt’s Path Into Real Estate And The GFC Years 06:00 – From Walton Street To Angelo Gordon To Canyon 09:40 – How Canyon Thinks About Credit Vs Equity 14:10 – What LPs Are Looking For Right Now 18:20 – The Wall Of Maturities And Private Credit Demand 23:40 – Macro Vs Micro Data And Reading The Market 28:10 – Multifamily, Housing, And Quiet Distress 33:20 – Structuring Capital Solutions In Today’s Market 39:20 – 2026 Outlook, Refis, Recaps, And What Comes Next For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 6: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex are joined by Alex Samoylovich, co-founder of CEDARst Companies, a developer known for leaning into projects most operators avoid. Alex walks through how CEDARst was built by focusing on adaptive reuse, historic redevelopment, and complex deals that require creativity across both capital and execution. The conversation digs into why complexity became the strategy, how overlooked buildings turned into scalable opportunities, and what actually breaks deals when markets tighten. A grounded look at development from someone who’s spent years solving hard problems, not chasing easy ones. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro and Setting the Stage 05:20 – Alex’s Nontraditional Path Into Development 09:40 – Early Deals and Learning Through Adaptive Reuse 15:30 – Why Complexity Became the Strategy 21:10 – Capital Stacks, Risk, and Creative Structuring 27:40 – Scaling From Local Projects to a National Platform 33:50 – Markets, Mistakes, and Hard Lessons 40:20 – Where Adaptive Reuse Still Works 46:30 – What Development Looks Like From Here For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 5: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Bill Sexton, CEO of Trimont, the largest independent commercial real estate loan servicer in the US. With Trimont now touching roughly 11% of all CRE debt nationwide, Bill offers a rare look into the mechanics behind servicing, workouts, and credit decision-making at scale. Bill walks through how servicing actually works, why distress is emerging unevenly across multifamily, office, and lodging, and what the data is signaling beneath the headlines. The conversation also digs into extensions, refinancing risk, and how lenders are navigating the back half of this cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 01:00 – Bill’s Background and Entry Into Credit 06:30 – What Loan Servicers Actually Do 10:00 – Private vs. Public Credit Servicing 18:55 – Multifamily Stress Signals 26:40 – Office Risk and Capital Costs 31:40 – Lodging and Other Trouble Spots 38:45 – Extensions, Refinancing, and the Data 41:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 46:50 – Culture, Scale, and Building Trimont For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 4: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex are joined by Alex Killick, Senior Managing Director at CW Capital, one of the largest special servicers in the US. Alex pulls back the curtain on how CMBS special servicing actually works, who controls key decisions once loans move into workouts, and why today’s distress looks very different from past downturns. The conversation covers pressure points across multifamily and office, the rise of tenant fraud and insurance costs, and why many resolutions are happening quietly rather than through forced sales. A rare, ground-level view of how distress moves through the real estate system. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 01:00 – Alex’s Path to CW Capital and the GFC 06:29 – How Special Servicing and CMBS Work 08:35 – B-Piece Control and Servicer Power 14:20 – Why This Cycle Is Different 16:15 – Multifamily Stress in the Sun Belt 21:10 – Tenant Fraud, Insurance, and NOI 24:50 – Workout Decisions vs. Asset Takebacks 26:40 – Office Distress and Capital Costs 38:45 – Private Credit and Quiet Extensions 42:35 – The Metrics CW Capital Tracks For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 3: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Edward Pitoniak, CEO of VICI Properties, the REIT born out of Caesars’ bankruptcy that went on to become the dominant owner of experiential real estate in the world. Edward breaks down how VICI reshaped net lease at institutional scale, why gaming real estate proved more resilient than expected, and how skepticism turned into conviction over time. The conversation spans VICI’s evolution from Caesars to the Venetian, as well as its expansion into assets like Chelsea Piers and Great Wolf Lodge. A clear look at owning mission-critical real estate despite shifting narratives. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – VICI’s Origin Story 03:10 – Ed’s Path to the CEO Seat 11:06 – Caesars Bankruptcy and the VICI Spin 21:09 – Wall Street Skepticism Around Gaming 25:29 – Cap Rates, Net Lease, and Scale 31:00 – The Venetian Deal with Apollo 37:58 – Cycles, Pricing, and Operator Power 43:26 – Experiential Assets Beyond Vegas 48:26 – College Sports and New Sale-Leaseback Models 51:10 – Mission-Critical Real Estate For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 2: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with David Auerbach, CIO at Hoya Capital and a leading REIT strategist known for his deep read on public real estate markets. David explains the current state of REITs, where valuations stand, which sectors are positioned for recovery, and how capital is behaving differently across public vs. private markets. He highlights key themes shaping 2025–26, including liquidity pressures, balance sheet strength, and the growing gap between winners and laggards. David also shares what investors often overlook and how to read the signals that matter. A must-listen for anyone watching the REIT landscape closely. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:02 – Data Centers, Cell Towers, and Misunderstood REIT Sectors 05:02 – Media Narratives vs. Real REIT Fundamentals 07:03 – Why REITs Stay Cheap: Sentiment, Rates, and Risk Appetite 11:28 – The REIT Dividend Machine and Long-Term Compounding 17:01 – SL Green Case Study and Smart-Money Office Signals 22:40 – Sector Deep Dive: VICI, Vegas, Retail, and Data Centers 25:21 – NAV Discounts, M&A Activity, and REIT Consolidation 33:26 – Housing Crisis, SFR Growth, and Multifamily Cap Rates 43:18 – Mortgage REITs, Preferreds, and Signs of Market Turnaround For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 1: We’re officially launching Season 5 of the No Cap Podcast...and we’re starting strong. This week, Jack and Alex sit down with Colin Apple, Co-Chief Investment Officer for Bridge Investment Group’s multifamily platform, one of the largest apartment owners in the country. Bridge was recently acquired by Apollo Global Management, giving the platform expanded access to institutional capital while continuing to operate as a standalone real estate business within Apollo. Colin breaks down how Bridge evaluates dislocation, why capital is behaving the way it is, where they’re still finding opportunity, and what separates durable operators from those getting washed out. If you want a clear read on how one of the most active institutional investors is navigating this cycle, this episode delivers. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:40 – Colin’s Path Into Real Estate and Joining Bridge 04:18 – Building Bridge’s Platform Across Strategies 08:20 – Growth Drivers: Class B/C, Supply, and Rents 10:40 – Coastal vs. Sun Belt and What “Back” Really Means 14:34 – Sun Belt Check: Cap Rates, Supply, and Patience 18:40 – Underwriting With Higher Expenses 21:00 – Navigating the Cycle and Protecting Downside 26:40 – Cap Rates, Return Hurdles, and 2026–27 Outlook 31:30 – Advice for Young Investors and Finding Opportunity For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 12: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Jon Schultz, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Onyx Equities, one of the Northeast’s most active private real estate firms. Schultz—known for turning around complex office, industrial, and retail assets—shares how Onyx repositions properties, adapts across cycles, and captures value in a rapidly evolving market. From life sciences and medical office to AI-driven data centers, he breaks down the trends reshaping the tri-state region, the lessons learned from decades of leadership, and why success now depends on being “customer-obsessed. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – Early Career and Founding Onyx Equities 06:15 – Navigating Market Cycles and Value Creation 09:30 – Office Market Shifts and Tenant Demand 12:45 – Life Sciences and Medical Office Expansion 17:40 – Inside the Data Center Gold Rush 22:15 – Rates, Debt, and Opportunities Ahead 27:48 – Tri-State vs. Sun Belt Market Dynamics 34:05 – Leadership, Adaptability, and Lessons Learned 42:30 – Building a Brand Tenants Trust Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 11: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Yaakov Zar, Founder & CEO of Lev, to unpack how a former tech entrepreneur is changing the way commercial real estate deals get done. Before launching Lev, Yaakov built and sold his first company, Dispatch, to Vista Equity Partners. Today, he’s at the center of CRE’s tech transformation—blending capital markets expertise with AI and automation to simplify how investors and developers secure financing. He shares the story behind Lev’s pivot from brokerage to software, what’s next for AI in real estate, and how data and design will define the next generation of real estate technology. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:00 – Startup Roots and Dispatch Exit 08:44 – How Mortgage Frustration Became Lev’s Origin 14:25 – Digitizing the Financing Experience 19:45 – AI and the Future of CRE Software 25:02 – How Lev Memo Is Changing Deal Execution 31:10 – Agentic AI and Workflow Automation 36:47 – Harnessing Data and Unstructured Information 41:00 – Brokers, Efficiency and Industry Adoption 45:18 – Building Great Software and Leading Through Change Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 10: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Winston Fisher, Partner at Fisher Brothers, one of New York’s most iconic private real estate firms with over 100 years of ownership, development, and management across the city skyline. Winston shares how he’s helping steer the fourth-generation firm into its next era. bridging tradition with technology and culture through projects like AREA15, the immersive entertainment destination in Las Vegas. He discusses innovation inside a legacy business, what it takes to keep a century-old brand relevant, and why experience is becoming real estate’s most valuable asset. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:18 – Growing Up in a Real Estate Legacy 06:47 – Lessons From Family Leadership 11:34 – Reinventing Fisher Brothers for the Future 15:29 – The Story Behind AREA15 21:02 – Real Estate Meets Experience and Culture 26:48 – Why Creativity Drives Modern Development 33:17 – Balancing Risk, Tradition, and Innovation 39:10 – The Future of New York’s Urban Core 45:26 – Leadership, Legacy, and Next-Gen Vision Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 9: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Seth Weissman, Founder and Managing Partner of Urban Standard Capital, to unpack how a former Goldman Sachs and Perry Capital investor built one of New York’s leading private-credit and development platforms. Weissman shares how his equity background shaped Urban Standard’s design-driven, relationship-first approach to lending—and why committed, discretionary capital wins in the middle market. He also reflects on his early West Chelsea bets, the transition from developer to lender, and how disciplined underwriting and creative structuring define USC’s edge today. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 05:04 – From Goldman Sachs to Perry Capital 07:44 – First Deals and the West Chelsea Strategy 13:32 – Raising Capital and Building Investor Confidence 18:03 – Why Committed Capital Changes the Game 21:59 – Inside the Middle-Market Lending Opportunity 27:23 – Private Credit’s Rise and USC’s Playbook 32:05 – Efficiency and Equity DNA in Underwriting 35:11 – Market Volatility and the Case for Credit 43:34 – Equity Returns with Credit Risk Protection 47:32 – Culture, Partnerships, and Bean the Office Dog Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 8: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Alicia Glen, Founder of M Squared, former Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development in NYC, and Co-Chair of the Gateway Development Commission, to unpack what it really takes to get housing and infrastructure built in America. Glen brings a rare insider view on how public and private sectors collide, the realities of financing affordable housing, and the lessons she learned managing the country’s most complex urban markets. She also shares how M Squared is reimagining capital to drive social impact while staying commercially disciplined, and what cities must do now to stay livable and competitive. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – From Goldman Sachs to City Hall 06:28 – Inside NYC’s Housing Agenda and Early Lessons 10:15 – Building M Squared and Its Mission 14:47 – Politics and Production of Affordable Housing 18:59 – When Public and Private Sectors Collide 23:40 – The Gateway Project and Federal Funding Realities 28:22 – Market Constraints, Zoning Reform and Affordability 33:31 – Structuring Capital for Impact and Scale 38:26 – Lessons From City Hall and Cross-Sector Leadership 47:51 – The Next Chapter for Cities and Urban Development Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 7: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Sharon Wilson Géno, President of the National Multifamily Housing Council (NMHC), the leading voice for America’s apartment industry in Washington. She explains how NMHC is tackling today’s biggest issues—affordability, regulation, and capital—while separating signal from noise on rent control, tax policy, and the GSE debate. Expect practical policy ideas cities are using now (single-stair, fast-track permitting, Florida’s “Live Local”), why Section 8 modernization matters, and what’s really driving insurance and operating costs. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:12 – Career arc and why housing policy became the mission 06:03 – What NMHC does and who it represents 08:14 – NMHC–NAA partnership and three-level advocacy (federal/state/local) 11:01 – Public perception, renters, and reframing the “American Dream” 21:04 – Tax policy: carried interest context and a doubled LIHTC 26:26 – Rent control myths and the Housing Solutions Coalition playbook 33:06 – Real solutions: zoning fixes, single-stair, permitting, Live Local 49:42 – GSE privatization chatter: constraints and market timing 55:56 – Insurance, taxes, labor and the tech/industrialized construction edge Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 6: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Cliff Booth, founder and chairman of Westmount Realty Capital, for a straight-talking look at four decades of success in industrial real estate. Cliff shares how he built one of the most resilient portfolios in the game and what it really takes to stay ahead when the market turns volatile. He reveals the lessons learned from navigating market cycles, rising interest rates, and fierce capital competition, all while avoiding the hype around single-tenant Amazon assets. Expect insider insights on cold storage, flexible industrial, and how relationships still matter in a crowded landscape. TOPICS 0:00 Introduction 4:15 From antiques in Montreal to Dallas industrial real estate 9:45 Building Westmount before e-commerce 15:30 Avoiding Amazon single-tenant hype 22:10 Market cycles and rising rates 28:55 Cold storage and infill industrial 33:40 Capital flood and competition 38:15 Relationships and integrity in deals 43:00 Industrial market outlook and leadership Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 5: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Miller, CEO and Co-Founder of Fundrise, to reveal how technology is transforming commercial real estate investing and changing how retail investors access private markets. Ben shares the story behind Fundrise’s rise to over $7 billion in real estate assets, why commercial real estate investing is all about macro trends now, and what drives the build-to-rent housing wave. He breaks down the latest on private credit, multifamily, and AI in real estate investment management. Plus, find out how Fundrise’s digital platform is making real estate crowdfunding accessible to millions. TOPICS 00:00 Meet Ben Miller 04:45 How Fundrise democratized real estate investing 12:30 Macro trends driving commercial real estate returns 19:55 Build-to-rent strategies and platform innovation 26:40 Private credit and multifamily market shifts 34:10 Securitization and institutional investor trends 41:45 AI’s impact on CRE investment and management 49:10 Fundrise’s outlook for private markets in 2025 Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 4: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Brian Pieracci, Head of North American Private Real Estate Equity at Heitman, to examine why alternatives are reshaping commercial real estate portfolios and outperforming traditional core assets. Brian shares how Heitman pioneered allocations towards self-storage, medical offices, senior housing, and single-family rentals. He breaks down what drives demand in these sectors, the challenge facing office real estate, and how institutional investors are changing their strategies in response. Brian also explains Heitman’s global approach to alternative assets and the importance of diversification in today’s market. TOPICS 00:00 Meet Brian Pieracci 05:15 Early bets on alternatives 13:00 Office real estate vs alternatives 21:40 Self-storage and senior housing 29:30 Strategies for global expansion into alternative sectors 37:00 Balancing core, value-add, and alternative assets 44:30 What institutional investors demand from alternative investments 52:10 The future of CRE beyond the office Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 3: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Kevin Heras, CEO of InvestNext, to explore how a Detroit-built platform is reshaping how real estate firms raise and manage capital. Kevin shares his path from Spain to Michigan Tech to the early Handshake days, then explains the first InvestNext prototype and why standardizing subscriptions, funding, and reporting matters for both GPs and LPs. He breaks down sponsor best practices, the case for partnerships over vertical integration, and where proptech is heading as data and building connectivity unlock better decisions. He also previews what’s next at InvestNext and how potential accreditation changes could expand access to private real estate. TOPICS 0:09 – From Spain to Detroit and Early Influences 3:06 – Handshake Lessons and Startup Bug 5:57 – Corporate Consulting to Entrepreneurship 9:21 – What InvestNext Is and Who It Serves 11:02 – Standardizing Subscriptions, Funding, Reporting 12:01 – One Portal for LPs Across Sponsors 17:32 – What Makes a Good Sponsor vs a Bad Sponsor 21:02 – Partnerships Over Vertical Integration 29:37 – Proptech Outlook and Market Discipline 35:24 – What’s Next for InvestNext and Access to Capital Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 2: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Rick Schaupp, Managing Director at Clarion Partners, for an inside look at one of the country’s largest private real estate investment managers. Rick traces his path from architecture and urban design to managing Clarion’s $70B platform, shares what it was like to start his career during the tech bust and 9/11, and explains why Clarion is expanding into semi-liquid funds for retail investors. He also breaks down today’s biggest investment themes—from multifamily and warehousing to senior housing and industrial outdoor storage—and reflects on where we are in the real estate cycle. TOPICS 00:09 – Rick’s Architecture Roots and Move to Clarion 02:00 – Asset Management During the Tech Bust and 9/11 06:10 – Shifting From Institutional to Private Wealth 07:20 – Semi-Liquid Fund Structure and Daily NAV 12:01 – Investment Themes Across Housing, Industrial, Healthcare 15:30 – Office Reality vs. Winners and Losers 20:30 – Alternatives Like IOS, Self Storage, Senior Housing 25:51 – How Clarion Allocates Across Credit, Equity, Regions 31:14 – Capital Strategy and New Products 35:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 38:34 – Career Advice for Recent Grads Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 1: We’re back with a brand-new season of No Cap — and we’re starting big. Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Owen Thomas, CEO of BXP and the largest office landlord in the United States, to launch Season 4 in style. From a Virginia dairy farm to Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, and now leading the country’s largest office landlord, Owen shares the pivotal moments that shaped his career. He discusses succeeding Mort Zuckerman at BXP, the evolution of office demand, work-from-home and hybrid dynamics, BXP’s 343 Madison project, and how AI may reshape the future of office space. TOPICS 00:10 – Introduction 01:00 – From Virginia roots to Morgan Stanley Real Estate 04:33 – Leading in Asia and the 2008 financial crisis 06:15 – Lehman Brothers board and the largest bankruptcy in history 14:36 – Rise of REITs and capital markets 15:42 – Taking over as CEO of BXP and succeeding Mort Zuckerman 21:05 – Office demand, work-from-home, and hybrid dynamics 30:00 – Gateway markets, regional differences, and 343 Madison 41:00 – Development challenges and suburban vs. urban performance 47:32 – AI’s impact, leadership lessons, and the future of BXP Shoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed. For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.