The Managing Partners Podcast: Law Firm Business Podcast

Too many law firm owners believe the solution to their problems is more leads—but that mindset often leads to burnout, inefficiency, and frustration. In this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey is joined by Jordan Ostroff to unpack the idea of “leads to lifestyle” and why intentional growth matters more than raw volume. Jordan shares his journey from prosecutor to firm owner to coach, including how cutting a massive marketing budget barely impacted revenue but completely transformed his quality of life. Together, they explore how intake, profitability, case selection, and personal vision play a bigger role in long-term success than flashy marketing tactics. This episode is a must-listen for law firm owners who want clarity, sustainability, and a firm that supports—not controls—their life. Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit. Chapters (00:00:00) - Managing Partners Podcast(00:01:59) - Jordan on Love Youe Law Firm, Second Edition(00:04:56) - How to Get Out of Jail: Marketing(00:06:16) - How to Make a Living as an Attorney(00:09:10) - Looking Ahead: How to Grow Your Law Firm?(00:14:13) - How to Start a Firm with a New Lawyer(00:19:03) - Don't Waste Time on Conferences(00:21:15) - How to Love the Journey(00:25:54) - Married Business People Talk About Their Personal Lives(00:28:51) - Confessions of an Extrovert Law Firm Owner(00:32:58) - In the Elevator With Introverts(00:34:44) - Jordan Ostrovs' New Book(00:35:39) - Covid Digital's Christmas Party(00:36:51) - Interview With Jordan

In this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with Nick Mendez, co-founder of Horton & Mendez, to break down how intentional culture-building can become a law firm’s greatest competitive advantage. Nick shares how his firm scaled from a tiny office share during COVID to a statewide powerhouse with a $38 million jury verdict—all while building systems that attract, retain, and develop top legal talent. They dive deep into the seven critical needs every employee has, how to define core values that actually work, and why law firm owners must stop hiring “mercenaries” and start building teams of missionaries. If you’re struggling with hiring, retention, or internal alignment at your firm, this episode provides a clear roadmap for sustainable growth. Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit. Chapters (00:00:00) - The Managing Partners Podcast(00:02:14) - Can You Tell More About Your Law Firm?(00:07:29) - How to Build a Strong Partnerial Partnership(00:10:53) - 7 critical things employees need to know about their firm(00:11:43) - The Chick Fil A Law Firm Values(00:15:16) - 7 Critical Needs of Employees for EOS(00:19:09) - Hiring the Right People for the Core Values(00:24:30) - What Makes a Law Firm So Well-Off?(00:27:40) - Six Rules for Protecting Your Culture(00:31:34) - Fractional HR: Paying the Right People(00:33:26) - 7 critical needs for employees at your firm

Budgeting is one of the most overlooked and most critical skills for law firm owners. In this episode, Kevin Daisey is joined by Leah Miller, a fractional CFO who specializes in law firms, to break down how lawyers can finally get clarity around cash flow, expenses, marketing spend, and profitability. They discuss why so many firms struggle with budgeting, especially contingency and personal injury practices, and how simply reviewing your financial statements monthly can transform decision-making. Leah Miller shares practical frameworks for building a realistic budget, determining your true breakeven point, managing uneven cash flow, and avoiding common financial traps. You’ll also learn how budgeting impacts marketing, hiring, tax planning, and long-term growth, and why having the right financial conversations early can save years of stress later. Today’s episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit. If you’re a law firm owner who wants to stop guessing and start leading with confidence, this episode is a must-listen. Chapters (00:00:00) - The Best Lawyers: Managing Partners Podcast(00:00:37) - Budgeting for Law Firm Executives(00:01:47) - How to Manage a Law Firm(00:05:49) - Law Firm Business Financials(00:10:35) - Budgeting for Marketing(00:13:39) - How to Manage Cash Flow in the Firm(00:16:38) - How many months of cash should a firm have on hand?(00:21:31) - How to Run a Business with a Roth IRA(00:27:34) - CFO vs Law Firm CFO: Making Smart Decisions(00:30:54) - Leah on Connecting With People

What does it really take to build a law firm that lasts? In this episode of the Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with Brian Beckcom of VB Attorneys to discuss how his firm has thrived for more than 20 years with the same partner, the same team, and a clear philosophy around trust, systems, and growth. Brian shares hard-earned lessons from big law, plaintiff-side practice, digital marketing evolution, and why equal partnerships matter more than revenue splits. They also dive into remote work, firm culture, accountability, AI in legal practice, and what law firm owners must do today to build a business that doesn’t depend on them every minute of the day. Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit. This episode is a must-listen for law firm owners, managing partners, and attorneys thinking long-term about leadership and sustainability.

In this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with Will Brooks of Leduc Entertainment to talk about authentic content creation for law firm owners. Will shares his powerful mindset shifts on overcoming fear, starting imperfectly, and finding your authentic voice on camera. Learn how attorneys can use social media, podcasts, and local partnerships to grow their brands and build genuine community engagement. Discover why “your first episode will suck, and that’s okay,” and how to create endless content ideas that connect locally while growing your practice. Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit. Chapters (00:00:00) - Law Firm Leadership: Think Big(00:00:33) - Law Firm Podcast(00:02:09) - Legal Marketing in the Comedy Studio(00:05:58) - Getting Back in Front of the Camera(00:11:40) - Lawyers: The Networking Power of Podcasts(00:17:26) - How to Make Content Fun(00:20:56) - How to start a social media page(00:23:03) - Referral Producers: Don't Get Out of Touch With(00:28:43) - Local Businesses on XYZ Law Firm Podcast(00:31:52) - 5 Tips for Becoming a Fantasy Football Champion(00:33:22) - How to Reach Out to Leduc Entertainment

In today’s episode of the Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with legal business development expert Steve Fretzin to break down the real reasons law firms struggle with growth — and the simple shifts that can transform your pipeline, profitability, and client quality. Steve dives into his sales-free selling approach, revealing why most attorneys jump into pitching too fast, fail to qualify effectively, and overlook the deeper business issues holding them back. From intake breakdowns to bad client fit, outdated marketing assumptions, and lack of consistent networking, Steve and Kevin show law firm owners how to regain control and build a healthier, more scalable practice. You’ll learn how to ask better questions, diagnose problems before offering solutions, avoid time-wasters, say “no” sooner, and create a prospect pipeline that lets you attract the clients you want — not the ones you’re stuck with. Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit. Chapters (00:00:00) - Management Partners Podcast(00:03:21) - The Art of Business Development(00:07:23) - How to Get Out of a Contract With a Law Firm(00:08:48) - How to Approach a Client about a PPC Problem(00:14:23) - How to Get Out of a Limbo(00:19:59) - On Business and the Podcast(00:21:50) - Lawyers Need Business Development(00:26:43) - The Importance of Willingness and Ability(00:30:19) - How to Win with a Reasonable Price(00:32:53) - How to Sell Law Firms to Your Lawyers(00:37:30) - Business Development, Part 2(00:37:47) - How to grow your firm with social media(00:39:06) - Jimmy Kimmel on Collaborating With People

In this episode from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy speaks with Josh Sanford, founder of multiple law firms and co-founder of Lexamica. Josh shares how he built the first YouTube-first law firm in partnership with the Legal Eagle channel and how his software platform manages high-volume referrals from millions of social media viewers. He explains how Lexamica connects clients nationwide with qualified attorneys and how outbound referral management can be automated for large firms. Josh also discusses his additional firms, content strategy, and the growing role of organic social reach in legal case acquisition.

Live from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy interviews Stuart Foster to uncover how fractional CMOs help law firms build real marketing engines. Stuart explains why most firms struggle with long term marketing strategy and why hiring agencies without internal leadership often leads to frustration and inconsistency. He shares how a fractional CMO evaluates the entire marketing ecosystem, aligns the law firm’s goals with the right mix of channels, and works collaboratively with agencies to ensure the plan actually produces results. This episode breaks down the difference between SEO, branding, paid media, reviews, community presence, and referral systems and shows how they work together to fuel predictable growth for modern law firms.

In this energetic live session from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy interviews Joe Bravo of Virtual Case Managers by Get Staffed Up to talk about how offshore virtual talent is transforming the way law firms scale. Joe shares the origin of the company, why access to global talent helps firms grow faster, and how pre-trained virtual case managers create immediate bandwidth for personal injury firms. They cover everything from culture-building with remote teams, bilingual staffing needs, the evolving role of AI, and how virtual assistants can elevate efficiency without sacrificing quality.

Recorded live at Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy interviews Samir Lions, a Hollywood-trained animator who now creates powerful visuals for personal injury cases through All Rise Animation. Samir explains how his experience on major films and commercials shaped his approach to storytelling and emotional impact in legal animations. He discusses how detailed reconstructions help attorneys influence mediation, demonstrate negligence, and communicate complex injuries with clarity. This episode offers insight into how high-quality visual evidence elevates case presentation and strengthens a firm’s trial strategy.

In this live Law-Di-Gras episode, Kevin Daisy talks with Sara Williams about her major career transition and her approach to building a powerful personal brand in the legal industry. Sara explains how social media has become one of the most effective tools for lawyers who want visibility, referrals, and long term influence. She shares why attorneys should embrace marketing, how perception shapes opportunity, and how branding can help firms and lawyers grow simultaneously. Sara also opens up about leaving a longtime role, joining Singleton Shriver, and using fearless advocacy and audacity to shape the next phase of her career. This inspiring conversation is filled with practical guidance for lawyers who want to build authority and take control of their brand and future. Chapters (00:00:00) - Law Firm Leadership: Social Media Is a Marketing Tool(00:01:12) - Sarah Williams on the Wall(00:01:34) - I Transitioned to Singleton Schreiber(00:05:21) - Law firms' social media presence(00:09:58) - Sarah Williams at the Brand Conference

In this episode recorded live at Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy sits down with Matt McClellan of Hona to break down why law firms continue to struggle with client communication and client experience. Matt explains how modern consumers compare their legal service experience to companies like Amazon, Uber, and DoorDash, which means law firms must raise the bar if they want to keep clients informed and satisfied. He shares insights from hundreds of thousands of plaintiff interactions inside the Hona platform and highlights how automated updates, video content, and better communication workflows can increase trust, reduce anxiety, and help firms earn more five star reviews. This conversation gives managing partners practical ideas on improving their client journey from intake to case resolution.

Live from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy talks with industry connector Paul Faust of RingBoost about building authentic relationships in the legal community. Paul shares why he positions himself as a trusted resource rather than a vendor, how collaboration helps law firms grow, and why trial lawyers play a critical role in protecting public safety. This episode captures the energy of Law-Di-Gras and the power of genuine industry partnerships.

Live from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy reconnects with Jason Hennessy to discuss the importance of building a law firm that holds real value whether or not you plan to sell. Jason previews his conference panel on mergers, acquisitions, and private equity, featuring perspectives from law firms, vendors, and buyers. He shares insights on preparing a business for future opportunities, learning from failure, and navigating the challenges of private equity involvement. This energetic conversation highlights the value of networking, community, and continuous business development inside the legal industry. Chapters (00:00:00) - Private Equity: The Failures(00:00:39) - Meet the Conference MC: Bob Simon(00:02:51) - PODCAST: Private Equity Conference(00:06:10) - A Few Words for the Conference

Recorded at Law-Di-Gras in San Diego, Kevin Daisy chats with trial lawyer Eric Ganci, who brings deep experience from DUI defense to nationwide personal injury litigation. Eric shares his perspective on client communication, what injured clients truly need during intake, and why fully AI-driven intake may not yet be the right fit for sensitive, high-emotion cases. The conversation covers trial strategy, educating clients through the legal process, the importance of human connection, and how great firms balance technology with personal service while fighting aggressively for their clients. Chapters (00:00:00) - Should You Call an AI Lawyer?(00:01:42) - Law Firm Leadership: The Managing Partners Podcast(00:03:53) - Are Plaintiffs Groups All Over the Country?(00:05:35) - Eric on Connecting With Lawyers(00:09:11) - AI In the Injury Case

In this episode, Kevin Daisey sits down with legal marketing expert Gary Sarner to break down the true secrets of law firm growth. Together, they explore why small cases often generate more referrals than big ones, why intake is one of the most important parts of your business, and why authentic human connection still beats AI in building trust with clients. Gary and Kevin share real stories from years of working with law firms across the country and highlight what separates successful, growing firms from those that remain stuck. If you want to strengthen your culture, improve your service, and increase referrals, this conversation is packed with practical insights you can use right away. Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we are a fit. Chapters (00:00:00) - Gary Sauner On The Managing Partners Podcast(00:04:08) - Law Firm Network: The Human Connection(00:06:38) - Law Firm Executives: AI Taking Over the Phone(00:09:14) - The Dictionary Additions Words From The 90s(00:10:17) - Acquiring a Client(00:10:57) - Law Firm Referral Business(00:17:14) - Chris Farley's Second Conference(00:18:26) - The Digital Law Firm Conference(00:20:03) - Ron and Gary on Law Firm Connections(00:25:47) - The Secret to Hiring the Best Lawyer(00:26:47) - Law Firm Review: The Settlement Sucked(00:29:14) - Small Cases Are Worth It(00:34:41) - Pimcon 2017: No Sales Pitch(00:35:30) - Jason Tackett On The Podcast(00:37:03) - When You Can't Attend A Metallica Concert(00:39:13) - Steve Perry on One Last Concert(00:41:41) - Gary and Steve Meet on LinkedIn

Recorded at Law-Di-Gras, this episode features Jeremy Alters, founder of ClaimAngel, the first litigation funding marketplace in the country. Jeremy explains how his ethics journey inspired a transparent platform that protects both lawyers and clients by offering fair, low-rate funding options. He also discusses rapid adoption by major PI firms and how ClaimAngel is reshaping funding as a strategic tool for maximizing case value, Chapters (00:00:00) - Disbarred Lawyer on Claim Angel(00:00:58) - Developing Your Managing Partners Podcast(00:01:24) - ClaimAngel: The e-bay of Litigation Funding(00:03:08) - Disbarred Lawyer on Claim Angel(00:05:06) - Claim Angel

Kevin Daisy interviews New York trial lawyer Arkady Frekhtman live at Law-Di-Gras. Arkady shares how his PI firm uses multiple office locations to strengthen Google Maps visibility, how his YouTube channel drives nationwide referrals, and why he is exploring AI and system improvements to scale. A concise look at modern PI firm growth through content, visibility, and trial-focused strategy. Chapters (00:00:00) - The Conference for Law Firms: Thinking Big(00:00:59) - How to Start a Personal Injury Firm in New York(00:02:43) - Law De Gras 2019: How to Grow the Firm(00:06:49) - Lardi Gras 2017 conference interview

Recorded live at Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy speaks with attorney Claudia Salinas of The Innocence Center, a nonprofit dedicated to freeing the wrongfully convicted and reforming laws that prevent fair outcomes. Claudia explains how their small litigation team handles complex cases across California and beyond, including federal matters and emerging work in states like Hawaii and Idaho. She highlights the crucial role of pro bono partnerships, the importance of community networking, and the organization's efforts to support exonerees as they rebuild their lives. This episode showcases the powerful impact of legal advocacy and the need for more attorneys to join the mission. Chapters (00:00:00) - Pro Bono Lawyers Out networking(00:00:55) - Law Firm Leadership: The Innocence Center(00:03:18) - The Innocent Center's surprise concert

In this episode, Kevin Daisy sits down with the king of legal radio Gary Sarner of ROI 360 Plus to reveal why branding still dominates the legal marketing landscape. Gary breaks down the power of radio advertising, the misconception that “no one listens to radio anymore,” and how consistent brand storytelling helps law firms win trust long before prospects ever walk through the door. They also dive into building lasting relationships at legal conferences, improving client communication, and why compassion, not just winning, should be at the core of every law firm’s message. Chapters (00:00:00) - 15 New People to Meet at Conference(00:01:06) - Managing Partners Podcast(00:01:43) - What do you love about Conference?(00:02:43) - Law Firm Branding on Radio(00:05:20) - The Best Law Firms You Can Choose(00:08:31) - Partnerships in the Personal Injury Legal Space(00:09:16) - Best Lawyers: Communication, Brand(00:15:55) - Gary Scharner at La De Graw Conference