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Proof Over Precedent
Author: Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
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The Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School discusses the work of bringing credible evidence to lawyers, judges, and decision makers, to transform the U.S. justice system into an evidence-based field. We bring you weekly one-on-one interviews with experts in the area of access to justice -- researchers, lawyers, professors, law students, data analysts, research participants, and anyone who has an interesting role in this growing area.
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This Student Voices episode focuses on the data and studies pointing to the shortcomings of pretrial detention – the significant costs, lack of impact on reducing crime, and shortage of failure-to-appear connections. HLS JD candidate Leann Poarch instead suggests a low-cost, relatively low-tech alternative that may be more effective.
In this Student Voices episode, HLS J.D. candidate Leann Poarch discusses the significant costs of detaining individuals who await trial, such as legal fees, loss of employment, and long-term economic and psychological effects. Given that detaining individuals not yet convicted can cost local governments more than $13 billion, is it time to look into reforming the pretrial system?
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In this episode of Proof Over Precedent, the fourth in a series on Ethics in the Law, host Jim Greiner talks again with IRB expert Shannon Sewards to discuss the complexities and criteria involved in obtaining waivers of informed consent within the realm of social science and legal research, comparing it to the regulations governing medical research. The two dive into an A2J Lab study on pretrial risk assessment tools to use as an example in determining the necessity of obtaining informed consent. When does protecting study participants take precedence, and when do critical research needs supersede those of participants?
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Shannon Sewards, Director of the Human Research Protection Program, Dartmouth Health; former Director, Harvard University Area IRB
Jim Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
General Requirements for Informed Consent (45 C.F.R § 46.116)
General Waiver or Alteration of Consent (45 C.F.R § 46.116(f)
Office of Human Research Protection
Common Rule (45 C.F.R § 46(a)
Related “Ethics in the Law” series episodes:
Episode 8: Ethics in Research — IRBs and the Common Rule Explained
Episode 10: What is Human Subjects Research in Law?
Episode 14: Ethical Conundrums in Legal Research
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Why is it so hard logistically to file for divorce when legally some cases are quite simple and uncomplicated? This second divorce study episode of Proof Over Precedent dives into the data behind the hassle factors and shares the surprising results of measuring the pro se accessibility of a court system. Maybe the answer isn’t more lawyers.
Listen to Episode 24: Legal Labyrinths Reveal Divorce Filing Woes
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Jim Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Roseanna Sommers, Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Michigan
Tom Ferriss, data scientist, Google
Resources mentioned:
“Trapped in Marriage”, SSRN
“Using random assignment to measure court accessibility for low-income divorce seekers”, PNAS
“Divorce in Philadelphia County” brochure
Philadelphia County Court of Common Pleas, Family Division Local Rules
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When it comes to obtaining a divorce, pro se litigants face significant obstacles, stemming primarily from financial challenges. Without a lawyer, many are ill equipped to undertake the complex paperwork, waiting periods, and logistical hurdles that come with filing for divorce. This first of two divorce study episodes of Proof Over Precedent introduces the randomized controlled trial the A2J Lab undertook to determine how effective pro bono matching services are in providing access to justice for low-income individuals.
Listen to Episode 25: Legal Labyrinths Reveal Divorce Filing Woes
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Jim Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Roseanna Sommers, Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Michigan
Tom Ferriss, data scientist, Google
Resources mentioned:
“Trapped in Marriage”, SSRN
“Using random assignment to measure court accessibility for low-income divorce seekers”, PNAS
“Divorce in Philadelphia County” brochure
Philadelphia County Court of Common Pleas, Family Division Local Rules
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Rogers hearings allow Massachusetts judges to approve treatment plans for involuntarily committed individuals, but the process is criticized for its inefficiency and 99% approval rate. What if procedural reforms could improve outcomes? Replacing district court judges with administrative law judges to oversee hearings and substituting public defenders with mental health professionals as patient advocates could improve outcomes for both the involuntarily committed individuals and the courts—reducing delays, improving patient outcomes, and better utilizing court resources, according to HLS student Aarushi Solanki. She outlines the need for a randomized controlled trial to bring evidence to this proposal.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Aarushi Solanki, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Joe Liberman, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Rogers hearing
Gagnon v. Scarpelli
Vitek v. Jones
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In this “Student Voices” episode of Proof Over Precedent, HLS student Aarushi Solanki discusses involuntary commitment laws for psychiatric patients in Massachusetts. Instead of protecting patient rights, the process of holding separate commitment and treatment hearings winds up denying patients access to timely treatment. A look at global leaders in procedural and substantive mental health reforms could help guide changes in Massachusetts’ legal standards and processes.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Aarushi Solanki, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Leanne Poarch, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Rachel Barkin, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Rogers hearing
Philadelphia’s Eviction Diversion Program
New Hampshire Family Law Mediation Program
Italy’s “need-for-treatment” standard
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Can the presence of legal counsel at a criminal justice defendant’s first court hearing transform their journey through the justice system? Two Texas counties examined this possibility in a now-completed A2J Lab study. Director Jim Greiner hosts fellow A2J Lab researcher Renee Danser and Texas A&M researchers George Nafault and Bethany Patterson in a discussion about the project results and their potential impact on legal representation and judicial decision making going forward.
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Speakers:
D. James Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Renee L. Danser, Associate Director of Research and Strategic Partnerships, Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
George Naufal, Associate Research Scientist, Public Policy Research Institute, Texas A&M University
Bethany Patterson, Research Associate, Public Policy Research Institute, Texas A&M University
Resources mentioned:
Recognizance Release Order
Indigency Determination
Texas Indigent Defense Commission
Arnold Ventures
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Access to justice via government websites should mean ease of digital access to information. But what if your simple search on filing for a restraining order returned lists of forms in legalese or 37 pages of links to weed through for the appropriate form? In this Student Voices episode of Proof Over Precedent, J.D. candidate Spencer Thieme argues for simple and inexpensive upgrades to state and federal government websites to improve accessibility for the nonlawyers and non-government workers.
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Speakers:
Spencer Thieme, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Rachel Barkin, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
E-Government Act of 2002
United Kingdom government website
Official California website
Hick’s Law
Fitts’s Law
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Early this year, the A2J Lab was expanding globally for the first time, bringing its mission to study access to justice to both Kenya and Tunisia — and just about half-way through its study — when a federal stop-work order abruptly shut down the project. In this episode of Proof Over Precedent, we have no study results to report about the project that intended to look at whether prompt access to quality representation affects legal and social outcomes for defendants in misdemeanors and petty offenses in the two African nations. Instead, the A2J Lab’s Renee Danser shares her experience working on the lab’s first global project, the intentions of the study and the progress it made through January this year, and the lessons learned from both an international project and the discontinuation of the study. Primary takeaway: remain hopeful and persistent as we continue to look for funding to restart the project.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Renee Danser, Associate Director of Research and Strategic Partnerships, Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Michelle Blouin, Communications Associate, Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
International Legal Foundation (ILF)
Justice Initiatives Global
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More bankruptcy cases were filed in 2024 than all other civil cases in federal court combined – a factor that should make access to the bankruptcy filing process a priority in the U.S., HLS student Joe Liberman argues in this Student Voices podcast. Part II of this series discusses potential reforms, including changing attorney fee structures, simplifying the bankruptcy process, and making information about legal representation more accessible.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Listen to Part 1 of the podcast or read Part 1 of the blog post.
Speakers:
Joe Liberman, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Aarushi Solanki, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Chapter 7 – Bankruptcy Basics
Chapter 13 – Bankruptcy Basics
Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005
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Is the financial reset system too difficult to navigate? In this “Student Voices” episode of Proof Over Precedent, HLS J.D. candidate Joe Liberman discusses the complexities and accessibility issues associated with “no-money-down” bankruptcy filings that often hurt the people who can least afford these particular filings.Closer scrutiny to legal fees associated with bankruptcy filings may help steer incentives toward the debtor rather than the attorney working with the filer.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Joe Liberman, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Andrew Reed, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Chapter 7 – Bankruptcy Basics
Chapter 13 – Bankruptcy Basics
Lamie v. United States Trustee
‘Consumer Bankruptcy and Financial Health’, National Bureau of Economic Research
‘How the Bankruptcy System is Failing Black Americans’, ProPublica
‘No Money Down’ Bankruptcy, Southern California Law Review
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A recently launched A2J Lab study examines the effectiveness of an education and community resource-focused program at reducing recidivism among low-level offenders. The program has been in practice for seven years in Toledo, Ohio, but has not yet been studied thoroughly. In this episode of Proof Over Precedent, the A2J Lab’s Renee Danser discusses the program and the potential it has, if found to be effective, to serve as an affordable blueprint for other municipal court systems.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Renee Danser, Associate Director of Research and Strategic Partnerships, Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Michelle Blouin, Communications Associate, Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Toledo Municipal Court press release
“Study of Community Diversion Program Launches,” A2J Lab Blog
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In this “Student Voices” episode of Proof Over Precedent, HLS J.D. candidate Rachel Barkin discusses the challenges faced by pro se litigants in complying with civil procedure rules. While interpretation of legal language may be an obstacle, she argues that deployability–the ability to effectively use legal knowledge in court–is the more significant hurdle for self-represented litigants. She delves into the quantitative and qualitative research available for addressing the complexities of legal procedures, suggesting that a balance of both may be necessary for a complete understanding of the issues.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Rachel Barkin, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Leanne Poarch, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Aarushi Solanki, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Testing Ordinary Meaning, Harvard Law Review
Why the “Haves” Come Out Ahead: Speculations on the Limits of Legal Change, Cambridge University Press
Self-Help, Reimagine, Indiana Law Journal
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In this Proof Over Precedent episode, the third show in the ‘Demystifying IRBs’ series, host Jim Greiner meets with IRB expert Shannon Sewards to answer the tricky question: Who counts as a ‘human subject’? Medical fields can easily point to human subjects in their research; but in social sciences, the definition relies heavily on federal regulations from Institutional Review Boards that require consent from human subjects to participate in research. So, legal researchers need to know about IRBs and how they define ‘human subjects’ and IRBs need to know about legal research and the role of participants in the studies. While the previous episode in the ‘Demystifying IRBs’ series addressed human subject research versus medical research, this third episode discusses:
Legal regulations that define human subjects in social science research
Ethical considerations in applying research to human subjects
Hypothetical scenarios to illustrate IRB challenges in interpreting and applying federal regulations
Risk assessments for human subjects
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Shannon Sewards, Director of the Human Research Protection Program, Dartmouth Health; former Director, Harvard University Area IRB
Jim Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Institutional Review Board FAQs
45 Code of Federal Regulations Part 46, Subpart A [“Common Rule”]
Office of Human Research Protection
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This “Student Voices” episode of Proof Over Precedent discusses the critical need for providing legal representation in civil cases—particularly those in which an individual’s home, family, or safety is at risk. While the right to counsel already extends to criminal cases in both federal and state courts, it does not currently extend to civil cases, where the socioeconomic outcomes often affect women more so than men. HLS LLM Laura Aquino asks why civil cases are not treated with the same level of importance as criminal cases and argues that expanding legal access is a matter of both fairness and justice.
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Speakers:
Laura Alicia Aquino Arriaga, LLM, Harvard Law School
Michael Pusic, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
The Gender of Gideon, UCLA Law Review
Gideon v. Wainwright
Shattered Bonds: The Color of Child Welfare, by Dorothy Roberts (2001)
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In this episode of Proof Over Precedent, host Jim Greiner talks with the A2J Lab’s Renee Danser about the recently completed pilot study referred to as the “Eviction Diversion Study.” The study aimed to combat housing security by providing legal information and resources to at-risk populations in the Houston area via text messaging. Ultimately, insights gained from the pilot highlighted the need for and promise of a full-scale study on light-touch intervention as a means of avoiding evictions.
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Renee L. Danser, Associate Director of Research and Strategic Partnerships, Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Jim Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Connective
University of Houston Law Center
J-PAL North America, Abdul Latif Jameel Poverty Action Lab at MIT
January Advisors
Homeless Management Information System
Final Report: Upstream Legal Literacy as an Eviction Prevention Mechanism: an RCT
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In this “Student Voices” episode of Proof Over Precedent, HLS student Andrew Reed explores how the legal profession could benefit from adopting data-driven, evidence-based practices similar to those in medicine. The episode examines the historical transformation of medicine from tradition-based to science-based and discusses key lessons that law can learn, including:
prioritizing hard evidence over tradition
incorporating evidence-based methodologies into legal education
creating centralized databases for legal research
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Resources:
James Lind’s scurvy experiment
History of evidence-based medicine
Cochrane Collaboration
Speakers:
Andrew Reed, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
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In this second episode in the Proof Over Precedent series on demystifying the institutional review board process in law, host Jim Greiner speaks again with IRB expert Shannon Sewards, this time to define human subjects research and differentiate it from medical research. The pair delve into:
The nuances of human subjects research in legal studies
Interpretive challenges within IRB regulations
Balancing ethical considerations with regulatory requirements
Exploring private information in research
Read the corresponding blog post.
Speakers:
Shannon Sewards, Director of the Human Research Protection Program, Dartmouth Health; former Director, Harvard University Area IRB
Jim Greiner, Honorable S. William Green Professor of Public Law at Harvard Law School; Faculty Director of the Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School
Resources mentioned:
Institutional Review Board FAQs
45 Code of Federal Regulations Part 46, Subpart A [“Common Rule”]
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In this “Student Voices” episode of Proof Over Precedent, HLS student Joe Lieberman interviews classmate Andrew Reed on the implications of courthouse cell phone bans on access to justice, particularly as it relates to self-represented litigants. Though intended to maintain courtroom order and security, the bans often create more headaches for litigants having to secure their phones outside the courthouse; furthermore, Reed suggests, it can be an impediment to access to justice with some litigants missing hearings entirely due to the bans. The discussion touches on the following topics:
Impact of cell phone bans in courtrooms
Potential alternatives to cell phone bans
Opportunity for empirical studies to research the effect of cell phone bans in courthouses
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Speakers:
Andrew Reed, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
Joe Liberman, J.D. candidate, Harvard Law School
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