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A HOP Podcast (With No Name)

Author: Andrea Baker & Matt Florio

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A lighthearted podcast about the practical use of HOP concepts in our personal and work worlds.
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We respond to a listener question about "How do I know that I know enough about HOP to start applying it at work".Andy's recommendations:(Academic works that explain foundational concepts)The Social Psychology of Organizing - Weick Understanding Complexity - Professor Scott E. PageHow the Mind Works - Steven PinkerThe Effectiveness of Restorative Justice Practices - Jeff Latimer, Craig Dowden, Danielle Muise (2001)(Books specific to the HOP space)Managing the Unexpected - Karl E. Weick and Kathleen M. SutcliffeSafety-II in Practice - Erik HollnagelJoint Cognitive Systems - David D. Woods and Erik HollnagelJustice Culture - Sidney DekkerThe Field Guide to Understanding Human Error - DekkerPre-Accident Investigation - Todd Conklin(Books where practitioners tell stories about using some HOP concepts)Beyond Blame - Dave Zwieback Bob's Guide to Operational Learning - Bob Edwards and Andrea Baker(Additional helpful works that touch on some gaps) Humble Inquiry - Edgar H. Schein and Peter A. ScheinRaising Human Beings - Ross W. GreeneChaos Engineering - Casey Rosenthal & Nora JonesSurfing the Edge of Chaos - Richard T. Pascale, Mark Millemann, and Linda Goija
We share some ideas we have for future episodes, but ask for you to give us direction. Let us know what you'd like us to focus on.
Andy is often asked how HOP and Operational Learning can be used in parenthood. So with her oldest daughter's first day of school tomorrow, we decided to do some operational learning about how Penelope is feeling going into the big day.
Well, we decided to end this mini-series with a big one. Andy argues that all accidents are not preventable and what we should be doing about.
We continue our argument/counterargument series with point 3 - We cannot tolerate exceptions to cardinal rules.
We continue our "both sides of the debate" series - this time it's all about accountability.
Andy (and with a little help from from Chat GPT) begins her counterargument against herself from episode 59. There first point: "Root cause does (not) exist"
In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo.
(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top.
We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive.
We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP".
Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP.
We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift.
The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. Link for paper reference: http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf
What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action.
Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization.
We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective.
Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron.
The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development.
We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron and learn more details of what it was like to navigate the HOP related changes together.
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