B2B Marketing with Dave Gerhardt

This episode is from Drive 2024, our first-ever in-person event for B2B marketers in Burlington, Vermont. Pranav Piyush, Co-Founder & CEO of Paramark, hosted a session on one of B2B's biggest challenges: measurement and attribution.Pranav covers:Why attribution models like first-touch and last-touch are outdatedHow to prove the incremental impact of marketing channels, including search, social, email, podcasts, billboards, and brand.How to present marketing's value to the CFO and CEOTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Pranav (06:01) - - Marketing IS Measurable (06:44) - - What Does Attribution Mean? (09:59) - - Do Search Ads Drive Incremental Sales? (11:16) - - How To Find Cause From Search > Impression > Click > Conversion (13:09) - - Google’s Conversion Lift (14:36) - - Do Social Ads Drive Incremental Sales? (16:02) - - Tracking Demo Bookings vs. LinkedIn Impressions (18:17) - - Do Emails Drive Incremental Sales? (20:47) - - Do Podcasts Drive Incremental Sales? (23:59) - - Do Billboards Drive Incremental Sales? (26:23) - - How Do You Measure Brand? (31:18) - - Why You Should Experiment to Understand Attribution (33:28) - - The Long Term Impact of Brand Equity (35:13) - - How to Measure the Impact of Videos and LinkedIn (36:26) - - Impressions vs Results (39:36) - - Impressions vs Demos (43:33) - - Wrap Up Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, we’re delivering another B2B marketing lesson in under 10 minutes—no fluff, just actionable insights.Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, breaks down a core copywriting skill that every marketer needs: crafting a hook that grabs attention right away. Too often, marketers "bury the hook" by failing to get to the point, leaving potential customers scrolling past.Matthew shares the top three elements of a strong hook, why questions don’t work as well as statements, and real-world examples of hooks that have proven to be irresistible. By the end, you’ll know how to create concise, clear, and compelling hooks that keep people engaged from the first word. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Taylor Udell, Head of Growth at Champify, a sales intelligence platform that helps B2B sales teams identify key contacts for more effective outreach. With experience at companies like Twilio and Heap, Taylor shares the marketing strategies she’s used to drive growth in sales-led organizations.Dave and Taylor cover:How Champify drives awareness through events, LinkedIn organic, and thought leader adsWhy they stopped doing direct response ads and are seeing better results with high-value content assetsWhy cold calling is an effective channel in Champify's sales-led approachWhy they chose to stop hiring freelancers and agencies and instead opted to build expertise in-houseTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Taylor (03:20) - - How to Build Product Awareness (07:54) - - Why Thought Leader Posts Are a Better Approach Than B2B Ads (10:12) - - How To Measure LinkedIn Effectiveness (14:11) - - Areas Where Taylor Hopes to Drive Revenue Growth at Champify (19:07) - - Why Cold Calling Works at Champify (20:50) - - Measuring Success Between Sales and Marketing (22:51) - - Why Champify Stopped Using Direct Response Ads and Is Seeing Better Results with High-Value Content Assets (26:36) - - Driving Higher Intent with Content Assets (28:57) - - Why Champify Stopped Outsourcing Until They Had a Definition of “Good” (31:45) - - Measuring Success Without Gating Content or Generating MQLs (34:37) - - Advice for New Marketing Leaders (38:10) - - Closing Remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is a guest on the We're Not Marketers podcast, hosted by Zach Roberts (Founder of Break Into Product Marketing), Eric Holland (current Product Marketer at Klue), and Gab Bujold (Founder at Press X to Market). They sit down to talk about Dave’s journey in B2B marketing—from marketing manager to CMO—hosting a podcast for B2B marketing, and organizing Exit Five’s first-ever in-person event, Drive in Burlington. Plus, Dave answers one important question: Are product marketers actually marketers?We’re Not Marketers and Dave also cover:One way “frameworks” might hurt your product storytelling.Why you can’t just start a podcast in B2B without this obvious skill?What Dave said is “the most important role in B2B marketing”.Don’t tell sales “what to do”. They almost never listen. Do this instead.Why “messaging by committee” sucks.Good news! The "80% difference" to great B2B marketing, uses two common PMM skills.How can we (product marketers) simplify B2B marketingTimestamps(01:05) - Dave's Journey and Podcasting Tips (05:05) - The Importance of Product Marketing (07:03) - Early Stage Marketing Strategies (14:16) - Building Trust and Influence in Startups (21:11) - Positioning and Messaging Challenges (25:29) - Addressing the Decline in Win Rate (28:23) - Importance of Executing Positioning (28:56) - Casual Conversation and Personal Interests (29:57) - Messaging Torture Chamber (30:30) - Marketing Strategies: Brand vs. Content (32:13) - Event Marketing Insights (33:58) - Simplifying B2B Marketing (37:37) - The Role of Podcasts in B2B Marketing (44:22) - Conclusion and Upcoming Events Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, we’re delivering another B2B marketing lesson in under 10 minutes—no fluff, just actionable insights.Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, dives into a fundamental principle every B2B marketer should understand: you can't fake urgency. Real urgency isn’t something you create from thin air - it’s something that’s baked into your go-to-market strategy.Matthew shares examples from Exit Five’s playbook, like driving urgency through limited event tickets and exclusive launch discounts, and explains how to adapt these techniques for any B2B setting.  Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

This episode is from Drive 2024, our first-ever in-person event for B2B marketers in Burlington, Vermont. Dave hosts a marketing leadership panel with Peter Mahoney, CCO of GoTo, Tara Robertson, CMO at Bitly, and Amrita Mathur, Head of Marketing at Zapier. These marketing leaders open up about their experiences and share actionable advice to help you lead, manage, and set goals for your marketing team. Dave, Peter, Tara, and Amrita cover:Why business literacy is so important for marketing leadersHow to set goals for your marketing teamEach panelists biggest career risks — what worked, and what did notPractical frameworks for managing short-term demands while staying committed to long-term goalsTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Peter, Amrita, and Tara (06:14) - - One Piece of Advice for Marketing Leaders (13:42) - - How to Set Goals For Your Team (22:53) - - Framework for Short-Term vs Long-Term Pipeline Goals (25:27) - - Budgeting for Short-Term vs Long-Term Goals (27:57) - - How to Work with a Difficult Counterpart (30:20) - - Panelists’ Biggest Career Risk That Worked (35:05) - - Panelists’ Biggest Career Risk That Did NOT Work (37:41) - - How to Lead your Team When You’re in a Leadership Rut (46:02) - - How to Navigate a New Leadership Role (49:26) - - Making Uncomfortable Decisions as a Leader (52:39) - - Does CEO = CMO? (54:22) - - When to Reconsider Your Strategy (57:47) - - Closing Remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Sean Lane, Founding Partner at BeaconGTM and RevOps expert, to talk about scaling RevOps in B2B. With over a decade of experience at Drift and other B2B SaaS companies, Sean shares actionable tips for marketers looking to align operations with business goals.Dave and Sean cover:How to build alignment between sales, marketing, and opsWhy early-stage companies must align operational complexity with their growth maturityHow continuous planning helps marketing and ops teams stay agile as business challenges come upTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Sean (06:10) - - Going From Founder Led Sales to Having A Professional GTM (08:51) - - How Ops Bridges Business Goals (12:41) - - How To Align Sales, Marketing, and Operations (16:50) - - Why You Need A Clear Marketing Strategy (19:16) - - How To Build A Partnership Between Marketing and Operations (25:40) - - Guidelines For Long Term vs Short Term Budgeting And Planning (31:55) - - Marketing's Role At The Bottom Of The Funnel (36:50) - - How To Get “Hand-raisers” For Your Product In The Customer Journey (40:42) - - Do Engaged Accounts Measure The Success Of Marketing? (42:32) - - Sean’s Podcast ROI (44:48) - - AI Use Cases In Ops (49:50) - - How To Hire A Good Ops Person (53:18) - - Closing Remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this special episode format, we’re testing out and delivering a B2B marketing lesson in under 10 minutes. No fluff—just practical, real-world insights based on what we’re learning each week here at Exit Five.This solo episode features Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, who discusses a key lesson every B2B marketer needs to know: why every marketing email should have just one call to action. Matthew shares the psychology behind decision-making, including Hick's Law, decision fatigue, and Fogg’s Behavioral Model, and explains why simplifying your emails can lead to higher conversions. Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave Gerhardt sits down with Mason Cosby, a leader in account-based marketing (ABM) strategy and founder of Scrappy ABM. Dave and Mason unpack how to simplify ABM, create meaningful engagement, and build personalized campaigns that drive real business results.Dave and Mason cover:Why companies should crawl before they walk or run” with ABM by starting with re-engagement programs instead of complex tech stacks.Why you need to track key signals of engagement and align marketing efforts to warm up prospects before sales outreach.Why you should be treating sales as an integrated marketing channel.Timestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Mason (04:58) - - Should you be using ABM? (07:54) - - Breaking down the process — awareness to acquisition (11:12) - - Why you should be treating sales as a marketing channel (15:57) - - Insights and data you need for effective ABM (21:29) - - Distribution strategies (25:32) - - When to adjust your outreach strategy (27:14) - - Awareness, engagement, and high-intent follow-up strategies (31:31) - - Re-engagement vs awareness for ABM (34:32) - - Why your story and positioning drive marketing success (35:47) - - Mason’s framework for ABM programming (39:29) - - Learn before scaling ideas (crawl, walk, run) Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, welcomes back Tas Bober, Founder of Delphinium and expert in landing page optimization. Tas recently audited 40 B2B landing pages submitted by members in the community, and in this episode, she and Matt break down her biggest takeaways and share everything marketers should know about B2B landing pages. Matt and Tas cover:Why you should separate homepages from landing pages to maintain data integrity and make sure your messaging is optimized for campaigns.Why website speed, ADA compliance, and accessible design are critical in 2024—and how to address these.Avoiding buzzwords and feature-dumping by telling compelling product stories and focusing on the value customers receive instead of jargon.Timestamps:(00:00) - - Intro To Tas (02:28) - - Landing Page Teardown In The Exit Five Community (06:26) - - Content Is King, Design And Experience Is Queen (10:53) - - ADA Compliance for Websites (14:53) - - How To Optimize Website Speed (17:12) - - Why You Should Use Separate Landing Pages for Targeted Feedback (20:59) - - The Best CTAs For Decision Fatigue (24:40) - - Why Simplified Writing Is Often Better For Engagement (27:40) - - How To Tell A Story About Your Product (30:36) - - Adding A Problem Block To Your Home Page (37:10) - - How to Craft Unique Language to Differentiate Your Brand (40:34) - - Why You Need Testimonials On Your Site (44:13) - - Why You Need FAQs On Your Site (47:19) - - Prioritize Value Before Requesting User Engagement (51:21) - - Niche Services Are A B2B Differentiation Strategy (54:24) - - Simplifying Demos (58:13) - - Tools For Optimizing Landing Pages (01:00:20) - - Closing Remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave sits down with Kira Federer, VP of SMB Marketing at Paramount Advertising, and formerly at companies like Reddit and Glassdoor. Kira shares her journey from sales to product marketing and the lessons she’s learned along the way.Dave and Kira discuss:How to align marketing and sales through co-creation to ensure your sales team uses the content you createThe value of a strong messaging framework and how it drives consistency in B2B marketingWhy you need to time your product launches and ensure that marketing resonates with both your team and the market at the right momentTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Kira (05:41) - - Kira’s Career Journey From Sales Enablement to Product Marketing (08:55) - - Challenges of Building Community / Getting Connected with Exit Five (17:23) - - How To Get Sales To Use Content from Marketing (19:58) - - How to Align Marketing and Sales Teams (26:04) - - Effective Messaging and Having a Core Company Narrative (31:12) - - Why You Should Identify What Differentiates Your Business (34:55) - - How To Create Strong Brand Positioning (37:40) - - Why You Need To Have A Clear Vision And Strong Point of View in Marketing (39:24) - - “The Risk Of Insult Is The Price Of Clarity” Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Madhav Bhandari, Head of Marketing at Storylane, a tool that helps companies build interactive product demos. Madhav shares the strategies that helped Storylane scale its website traffic from 25,000 to over 220,000 monthly visitors in just six months, using unique approaches to SEO and demand gen.Dave and Madhav discuss:Leveraging Demo-Led SEO for 10X website traffic growthHow targeting related product categories allowed Storylane to capture new audiences while building trust in their core marketHow AI is transforming workflows, enabling faster campaign execution, improving content creation, and driving innovation in marketing strategyTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Madhav (05:51) - - Building Brand Loyalty Through Content and Relationships (07:11) - - Building Brand Reputation in a Saturated Market (13:18) - - How To Strategize SEO By Capturing Existing Traffic (15:35) - - Why Interactive Demos Are So Important (20:10) - - How Madhav Executed Storylane’s Demo Page Project (25:38) - - Demo-Led SEO’s Impact on Brand Search and Signups (29:38) - - Why You Should Prioritize Website Articles Over Traditional Blogs (32:43) - - How To Create A Compelling Offer (38:01) - - Revenue Attribution (41:07) - - Storylane’s Ad Truck For Brand Awareness and Searches (46:00) - - Rethinking Email Marketing (49:32) - - Hiring a Dedicated Writer for Impactful Newsletters (50:16) - - Leveraging Engaged Audiences Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave sits down with Mychelle Mollot, CMO at Knak, a platform for creating, designing, and optimizing email and landing page content. Mychelle shares her wealth of experience, having led marketing efforts at IBM and various startups. She discusses her approach to leading marketing teams, scaling brands, and embracing AI in B2B marketing.Dave and Mychelle cover:How Knak built a brand and captured demand in a space without a known categoryThe balance between meeting short-term goals and dedicating some marketing budget to high-risk, high-reward experimentsHow AI is evolving from a standalone tool to being embedded in the core functionalities of marketing platformsTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Mychelle (05:18) - - Embracing Diverse Career Paths to Become a CMO (10:02) - - Leveraging Big Company Skills in Startups (10:53) - - Influencing Resources Without Ownership in Large Organizations (15:15) - - Weekly Team Meeting Tips (18:16) - - Mychelle’s OKR Framework (23:02) - - How Knak Creates and Captures Demand (24:34) - - How To Understand and Target Buyers (31:12) - - Having AI Discussions With Your Team (34:46) - - AI is Shifting from Core Component to Creative Assistant (36:08) - - Integrating AI into Core Tools (41:50) - - Sales and Marketing Alignment (45:12) - - Navigating Relationships as a CMO Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Danielle Messler, Head of Content at Exit Five, joins to talk about our first-ever virtual event: The Ultimate Roast of B2B Websites. It's a one day virtual event designed to help make your website better – with live teardowns of real examples submitted by B2B marketers just like you.She covers:What you'll learn if you attend The Ultimate RoastOur expert lineup of panelists who will dig into each essential section of a B2B websiteHow you can win prizes worth up to $80k in valueSign up for The Ultimate Roast here Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave sits down with Will Hoekenga, seasoned copywriter and messaging consultant for B2B SaaS brands and founder of Six Words Studio. Will shares his expertise on crafting copy for high-value web pages, like homepages and product pages, that drive conversions and speak directly to customer’s needs.Dave and Will cover:The importance of clear positioning and how it can make or break the effectiveness of your web copy.Why collaboration between design and copywriting is critical for creating a customer-driven page structure that leads to conversions.How to write web copy that differentiates your brand from competitors using unique, customer-centric language, moving beyond generic industry buzzwords.Timestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Will (05:22) - - Why Having A Dedicated Copywriter Is Not A More Common Hire (09:11) - - How to Write Web Copy That Makes Your Brand Stand Out Among Competitors (13:54) - - Simplifying Product Positioning with the CUB Framework (Confusing, Unbelievable, Boring) (18:54) - Recognizing Your Product’s Differentiation (23:14) - - How To Enhance Positioning and Structure with Voice and Tone (24:13) - - 37signals' Example and Inspiration (32:53) - - How to Collaborate on Design With Your Team (34:56) - - Why You Should Optimize Copy with Social Proof (40:05) - - How To Ask Customers Deep Product Questions (44:51) - - How To Highlight Non-Negotiable Features When Outlining Product Benefits (50:21) - - Content Structuring (52:13) - - Embracing Imperfection in Writing (54:53) - - Tips For Getting Inspired Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Knak.  Launching an email or landing page in your marketing automation platform shouldn't feel like assembling an airplane mid flight with no instructions, but too often that's exactly how it feels.No more having to stop midway through your campaign to fix something simple. Knack lets you work with your entire team in real time and stops you from having to fix things mid flight. Check them out at knak.com/exit-five/***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more