Sz 2 Ep 14 | What if emotional overwhelm isn't coming from your life circumstances—but from the sentences running through your mind? In this intimate, practical conversation, Elle Rowley sits down with master coach Jody Moore to explore the roots of emotional suffering for mothers, especially in life's toughest seasons. Together, they bust the myth that overwhelm, anxiety, and guilt are caused by what’s happening outside of us, and instead reveal how our thoughts—and the judgments stacked on top of them—create our hardest moments. Jody Moore shares how practicing self-compassion, curiosity, and letting go of perfectionism transformed her experience as a mother, coach, and woman. She explains why striving to be a “good mom” can be counterproductive, and why embracing your “world’s okayest mom” moments might be exactly what you and your kids need. You'll hear real stories from Elle about navigating complicated grief, her early struggles with self-judgment, and how thought awareness opened the door to healing. Jody dives into practical concepts—from emotional adulthood and curiosity in hard conversations, to the power of raising your “minimum baseline” and owning your choice to stay connected, even when you want to quit. This episode is a compassionate guide to befriending your emotions, shedding unnecessary suffering, and building stronger relationships—starting with the one you have with yourself. Timestamps 00:00:00 - Emotions driven by self-compassion. 00:03:00 - Podcast helps mothers in grief. 00:07:00 - Overwhelm comes from our thoughts. 00:12:00 - Handling teen anxiety with validation. 00:16:00 - Bad days versus rough seasons. 00:21:00 - Celebrating "okayest mom" mindset. 00:27:00 - Set practical minimum baselines. 00:33:00 - Moments of connection over work. 00:40:00 - Embracing compassion and self-acceptance. 01:07:00 - Aspirations for matriarch phase. Episode Links: Jody's Website - https://jodymoore.com/ Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley Support families in Guatemala by purchasing a 'World Peace Begins at Home' tee - https://www.the-humble-village.org/shop ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 13 | What if the true power of motherhood isn’t just surviving the day-to-day—but embracing the descent, the grief, and the transformation that follows? In this solo episode, Elle Rowley invites you to journey down the well of motherhood’s deepest myths, drawing wisdom from three iconic divine mothers: Mary (the mother of Christ), Demeter (Greek goddess), and Isis (Egyptian goddess). Through story and reflection, Elle reframes the narrative that so often reduces motherhood to mere busyness and duty, showing how our real growth comes when we allow ourselves to descend into uncertainty, pain, and mystery. This is not an episode about sugarcoating the hard parts of mothering. It’s about recognizing the sacredness of our struggle—the cycles of descent and rising, grief and renewal. Elle highlights five powerful lessons for mothers everywhere: Lesson 1: The mother brings forth the bridge between worlds Lesson 2: The mother must descend Lesson 3: Descent awakens the fierce mother Lesson 4: Death, loss, and the rhythm of return Lesson 5: Through suffering, the mother reshapes the world. Share this episode with a mother who may need it, and join the movement to reclaim an empowering, truthful narrative of motherhood. Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Descent Is Part Path 00:00:49 – Memorable Thanksgiving Recap 00:02:30 – Purpose: Mothers’ Transformation 00:04:31 – Mary’s Hero’s Journey 00:06:57 – Demeter: Mother’s Grief 00:10:55 – Isis: Restoration After Loss 00:13:47 – Five Lessons from Myths00:22:14 – Embracing Motherhood’s Seasons Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack – https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram – instagram.com/ellerowley Support families in Guatemala by purchasing a 'World Peace Begins at Home' tee - https://www.the-humble-village.org/shop About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Szn 2 Ep 12 | What happens when the life you imagined disappears—and you say yes to what’s next, one small step at a time? In this deeply moving Portrait of a Matriarch episode, Elle sits down with Yvonne Sinclair, founder of Naru in Guatemala, whose story is part adventure, part quiet revolution. Yvonne’s life began in London’s marketing world, where stability looked perfect from the outside. But when her family life didn’t unfold as planned, she found herself stepping into the unknown—first through solo travel in Egypt, and then, unexpectedly, in the rural mountains of Guatemala. What started as a six-month commitment to help coffee workers became over two decades of living amidst cloud forests, serving thousands of malnourished children, and building bridges between worlds. Yvonne and Elle unpack the inner and outer journeys: from crafting an “escape bottom drawer” to discovering true purpose through service, simplicity, and relentless pragmatism. They discuss finding “enough,” releasing self-judgment, and the freedom that comes with aging and letting go. This episode is about transformation—not by grand design, but by answering one ordinary yes after another. You’ll hear about the joys and heartbreaks of living and working in remote Guatemala, the realities of sustainable change, and the deep meaning that comes from steady, grounded leadership. Whether you’re in the midst of personal loss, stuck in the waiting, or longing for purpose in unexpected places, Yvonne’s story will both comfort and challenge you. Timestamps: 00:00:51 – Episode Introduction 00:04:14 – The Turning Point 00:07:23 – Arriving in Guatemala 00:11:21 – Yvonne's Hero’s Journey 00:18:23 – Why Guatemala? 00:21:34 – The Malnourished Children 00:28:50 – Life in Guatemala 00:50:59 – The Wisdom of Enough Episode Links: Naru Guatemala's Website: https://naruguatemala.org/ Support families in Guatemala by purchasing a 'World Peace Begins at Home' tee - https://www.the-humble-village.org/shop Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own souls. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Szn 2 Ep 11 | What if the next era of womanhood is actually the most powerful, joyful, and creative of all? In this heartfelt conversation, host Elle Rowley sits down with master coach Bev Aron to reimagine what it means to become the matriarch—not a martyr, but a woman rooted in wisdom, joy, and unwavering self-trust. Together, they explore how motherhood can be a journey of deep healing, not just for ourselves, but across generations. Bev Aron shares how her work as a coach was born out of her own transformation through motherhood, and why awareness—being a gentle observer of our own emotions—is the key to unlocking lasting change. From moving through overwhelm as a mom, to finally letting go of guilt and old patterns, Bev offers tangible practices to connect with your body, process emotions, and rediscover your light. This isn’t about having it all together. It’s about uncovering the joy and boldness that’s been inside you all along, no matter what age or stage you’re in. You’ll hear real talk about breaking cycles of self-judgment, tending to your own joy, outgrowing the need for outside validation, and embracing the creative possibilities that midlife brings. Timestamps: 00:02:25 – Motherhood sparked Bev’s self-discovery journey 00:06:26 – “Awareness is the portal to transformation” 00:09:39 – Generational healing begins with nurturing ourselves 00:11:04 – Layered healing brings natural joy, lightness 00:16:07 – "No thought police" means total mental freedom 00:17:16 – Bev embraces role as family matriarch 00:26:01 – Transition from active parenting to flexible support 00:43:08 – "Too late" is the most common limiting belief No matter what chapter of life you're in, this episode is a loving invitation to become the matriarch of your own life—full of possibility, light, and self-compassion. Show Links: Bev Aron's Deep Dive Coach Institute: http://bevaron.com/ Bev's daughter's blog on parenting books: https://myparentingpearls.wordpress.com/?fbclid=PAdGRleAMttQZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABpy7SZqFRmz5p7pwVgXGvUlemZ1rAnr87MK_uYYx_-YfkgnuR4P_2FhmwMpE8_aem_MVa-0829NZpurW6eVtJj8Q Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley Support families in Guatemala by purchasing a 'World Peace Begins at Home' tee - https://www.the-humble-village.org/shop — About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 10 | What if the greatest act of heroism isn't conquering the world—but creating a home worth returning to? Elle explores the ancient art of homemaking as sacred work. Drawing from Homer's Odyssey, the Hero's Journey, and hospitality traditions spanning Greek xenia to Japanese omotenashi, she reveals how mothers and matriarchs don't just decorate spaces—they shape culture itself. Elle breaks down six powerful elements of creating refuge: rhythm, presence, peace, cultivation, welcome, and spirit. Through personal stories—from her grandparents' healing weekly routines to a friend's mother finding peace while caring for a non-verbal son—she shows how the work of tending a home ripples outward to repair the world.This isn't about Pinterest perfection. It's about meaning-making in a distracted world. Timestamps: 00:00 - Home as sacred act 02:33 - The Odyssey and xenia05:35 - Mother vs. Matriarch archetypes 10:41 - Element #1: Rhythm 13:45 - Element #2: Presence 16:19 - Element #3: Peace 20:22 - Element #4: Cultivation 23:25 - Element #5: Welcome 30:32 - Element #6: Spirit 34:09 - Closing thoughts Show links: Wall Street Journal / Wealthy Family Mission Statements / https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/wealthy-family-mission-statements-e08faabd?g[…]SW0O3ESdqHJbt2aaLeE01RCfIa0rUvSg7rl36cN69DHoBl2ARVmr2ySQQ%3D%3D Systematic Review: Routines and Child Development / https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jftr.12549?utm_source=chatgpt.com Down The Well Links: Check out Down The Well on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Down-The-Well Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley Support families in Guatemala by purchasing a 'World Peace Begins at Home' tee" https://www.the-humble-village.org/shop ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 9 | What if the hardest part of motherhood isn't the emotion itself—but what we do to ourselves after we feel it? In this solo episode, Elle unpacks one of the most invisible sources of suffering in motherhood: the pattern of feeling bad about feeling bad. She reveals how we take a natural human emotion—frustration, sadness, overwhelm—and then bury ourselves under layers of guilt, shame, and judgment. This isn't about toxic positivity or pretending hard emotions don't exist. It's about learning to recognize when we're digging ourselves deeper into the well... and how to stop. Elle shares personal stories from her early motherhood, a powerful moment teaching emotional skills to young girls, and a real coaching example that shows how one woman's "mess in every area" was actually just one emotion hiding under a mountain of self-judgment. You'll walk away with a simple three-step practice to drop the unnecessary suffering and befriend the emotions that actually hold the key to your growth. Timestamps: 01:34 - Feeling bad about feeling bad 04:37 - Primary vs. secondary emotions 06:39 - Something is wrong with me 07:40 - The three-step practice 10:43 - Case study: Coaching a friend 12:45 - Befriending your emotions Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 8 | Elle invites us to pause... to breathe... to stay for the exhale. As the leaves turn and the holidays begin, she explores a deceptively simple yet profound concept: truly experiencing the moments we create. It's not about doing more—it's about being more present in what we're already doing. Elle shares her journey from frantic holiday-maker to intentional memory-creator, offering a mini masterclass in emotional presence. She challenges us: Are we confusing participation with presence? Are we unconsciously fleeing from joy? From yoga mats to dinner tables, Elle provides practical wisdom for savoring life's exhales. It's time to linger, to ask one more question, to offer our full gaze. This isn't just about slowing down—it's about showing up fully for the life we're living. 🍂 Ready to transform your fall from frantic to fulfilling? Listen now. Timestamps: 00:00 - Fall reflections and the nurturer's season 04:06 - The "stay for the exhale" revelation 09:44 - Embracing the matriarch's wisdom 12:17 - The surprising challenge of tolerating joy 17:22 - Practical ways to linger in life's moments Down The Well Links: • YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN6YKPAhI1Rstsc4dT2N86w • Elle's Substack: https://substack.com/@ellerowley • Elle's Instagram: instagram.com/ellerowley About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 8 | Elle sits down with her longtime friend and fellow entrepreneur, Andrea Faulkner Williams, to share real and heartfelt reflections on nurturing friendship through the busyness of motherhood. Ever felt like you're drowning in the demands of life? You're not alone. Elle and Andrea share raw, honest truths about: • The tender challenges that shape motherhood • Keeping friendships strong when life feels busy • Championing each other's dreams • Turning comparison into inspiration Take a moment to laugh and cry along with Elle and Andrea as they show you the positive difference friendship can make in motherhood. 🔔 Subscribe for more soul-nourishing conversations that remind you: You're not alone in this beautiful mess of motherhood and life. 💬 Comment below: In what was is friendship a lifeline for you? Timestamps: 0:00 Intro: First in-person podcast with Andrea 5:40 Motherhood: The most challenging job ever 11:16 Friendship challenges in adulthood and mothering 19:56 Non-comparative support in friendships 25:43 Handling emotional mismatch in friendships 31:25 How to be a good friend 37:05 Creating a joy list for happiness 42:38 Championing each other's callings and dreams 49:26 Rapid-fire questions about their friendship 55:54 Dealing with insecurities and teen gossip 59:19 Closing thoughts and appreciation Show Links:Andrea's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreafaulknerwilliams/?hl=en Tubby Todd: https://tubbytodd.com/?brand_general&tw_source=google&tw_adid=764490404375&tw_campaign=22807709662&t... Solly Baby: https://sollybaby.com/collections/wraps?wickedsource=google&wickedid=CjwKCAjwu9fHBhAWEiwAzGRC_7SVVjW... "Present over Perfect" by Shauna Niequist "What in the World?" by Leanne Morgan Down The Well Links: YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN6Y... Elle's Substack: https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram: instagram.com/ellerowley About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley explores the mother's hero's journey—a path different from what you've read in books. It's a descent into the soul, where transformation is inevitable. Let's ensure it's for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 6 | We have the pleasure of hearing from Lisa Marchiano for the second time on the Down The Well Podcast, a Jungian analyst and author of "Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself." Lisa and Elle peel back the layers of the "Good Mother" myth and dive deep into the transformative power of shadow work in motherhood. Are you ready to confront the shadow side of mothering? To embrace the parts of yourself you've been told to hide? Lisa reveals how the "good mother myth" sets impossible standards, leaving us feeling inadequate and disconnected from our true selves. But here's the kicker—what if those "negative" aspects we try to suppress are actually the key to our growth?Elle and Lisa explore: • The liberating truth about the "Good Mother" myth [1:27] • Why your anger might be your greatest teacher [19:44] • The golden nuggets hidden in your shadow [41:52] • How to parent from wholeness, not perfection [30:51] Prepare to be challenged, inspired, and ultimately freed by this raw and honest exploration of motherhood's deepest truths. 🔔 Subscribe for more soul-stirring conversations that light the path to authentic motherhood. 💬 Comment below: What part of yourself are you ready to reclaim in your mothering journey? Timestamps: 0:00 Intro: The good mother myth 5:34 How the good mom image affects women 8:28 Disempowering effects of perfect parenting ideals 14:11 Letting go of the good mother myth 21:15 Working with difficult emotions in motherhood 28:43 Understanding and integrating your shadow 37:38 Identifying shadow qualities in yourself 44:33 Practical steps for shadow work 49:22 Reintegrating positive aspects of younger self 54:12 Advice for different stages of motherhood Show Links: • "Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself" by Lisa Marchiano • Lisa's website: https://lisamarchiano.com/ Down The Well Links: • YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN6YKPAhI1Rstsc4dT2N86w • Elle's Substack: https://substack.com/@ellerowley • Elle's Instagram: instagram.com/ellerowley About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 5 | What if the transition to motherhood isn't just about diapers and sleepless nights... but a profound archetypal shift that reshapes your entire being? In this soul-stirring episode, Elle dives deep into the often overlooked journey from maiden to mother. She peels back the layers of societal pressure, personal resistance, and the bittersweet beauty of this transformation. Are you clinging to your "maiden" self even as you navigate motherhood? You're not alone. This isn't just about having kids—it's about saying yes to a fuller, vaster version of yourself. Ready to step into your power? 🔔 Subscribe for more soul-nourishing conversations on motherhood, identity, and becoming. 💬 Comment below: What's been the hardest part of your maiden-to-mother transition? Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 00:40 - Understanding the archetypes 02:43 - Why we resist the mother 09:20 - Three lies holding us back 16:27 - The gifts of motherhood 20:32 - Missed your maiden years? 23:35 - Integrating maiden and mother Show Links: Oura Ring: https://ouraring.com/product/rings Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley Listen to Down The Well: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6lUJfguVjtso0sPEg2wR6t?si=votEkMgqRiq8b_aEKht1gg Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/down-the-well/id1797861644 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Down-The-Well About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. SEO Keywords: transformational motherhood, maiden archetype, mother archetype, matriarch archetype, women's developmental phases, releasing maidenhood, embracing motherhood, cultural expectations, societal pressures, aging and beauty, body acceptance, self-discovery, personal growth, life transitions, motherhood challenges, work-life balance, self-care for mothers, identity shifts, parenting journey, female empowerment, archetypal psychology, women's spirituality, intergenerational wisdom, life stages, personal transformation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 4 | In this soul-stirring episode, Elle dives deep into the heart of modern motherhood's greatest paradox: How do we find wholeness in a role that seems to demand we shatter ourselves into a million pieces? Drawing inspiration from Ann Morrow Lindbergh's timeless wisdom, Elle explores the concept of "Zerissinheit"—that torn-to-pieces feeling so many mothers know all too well. But here's the plot twist: What if fragmentation isn't our destiny, but our chrysalis? Elle challenges the notion that mothers must sacrifice everything on the altar of caregiving. Instead, she offers a radical new vision: motherhood as a catalyst for profound personal growth and self-discovery. 🔔 Ready to revolutionize your approach to motherhood? Hit subscribe and join the wholeness revolution! 💬 Share below: What fills your "source" and makes you feel most alive? Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 03:03 - Unpacking "Zerrissenheit" 08:40 - The audacity of maternal time off 15:49 - Your motherhood HR department 23:00 - Restoration through deep presence Show Links: "Gift from the Sea" by Ann Morrow Lindbergh: https://www.amazon.com/Gift-50th-Anniversary-Anne-Morrow-Lindbergh/dp/0679732411 Oura Ring: https://ouraring.com/product/rings Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley Listen to Down The Well: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6lUJfguVjtso0sPEg2wR6t?si=votEkMgqRiq8b_aEKht1gg Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/down-the-well/id1797861644 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Down-The-Well About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. SEO Keywords: motherhood challenges, work-life balance, self-care for mothers, Ann Morrow Lindbergh, Gifts from the Sea, torn-to-pieces-hood, wholeness in motherhood, maternal burnout, solitude for mothers, nurturing source, creative pursuits, maternal identity, family dynamics, personal growth, maternal well-being, time management for mothers, maternal mental health, parenting strategies, maternal restoration, mindful motherhood, maternal boundaries, purposeful giving, maternal self-reflection, maternal resilience, balancing motherhood roles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 3 | Elle dives deep into the often-overlooked middle years of marriage with couples coach Natalie Clay. They explore the hidden treasures and challenges of long-term partnerships, offering a fresh perspective on what it means to truly grow together. Are you feeling more like roommates than soulmates? Struggling with communication or emotional self-reliance? This episode can be your lifeline. Natalie shares powerful insights on: • The importance of emotional self-reliance (without losing connection) • Transforming conflicts into opportunities for growth • Embracing vulnerability as the key to deeper intimacy It's time to rewrite the narrative of the "boring" middle years. Let's discover how this phase can be the most transformative and rewarding chapter of your love story. 🔔 Subscribe for more soul-nourishing conversations about relationships, personal growth, and the journey of becoming. 💬 Comment below: What's been your biggest challenge (or unexpected joy) in the middle years of your relationship? Timestamps: 0:00 Intro: Middle years of marriage discussion 5:12 Emotional self-reliance in relationships 10:12 Dealing with insecurities in marriage 20:24 Why couples feel like roommates 25:05 Physical intimacy and mismatched desire 36:29 Parenting differences in marriage 42:42 Radical acceptance in relationships 49:41 Navigating different parenting approaches 55:41 The role of mystery in marriage 57:05 Hidden strengths of middle years 1:02:15 Lightning round: Marriage advice Show Links: Natalie Clay Coaching Couples Coaching with Natalie Clay podcast @Natalieclaycoaching on Instagram Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowle _____ Listen to Down The Well: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6lUJfguVjtso0sPEg2wR6t?si=votEkMgqRiq8b_aEKht1gg Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/down-the-well/id1797861644 Amazon: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0p4aFo3SlBSNWNpUzhiNkt _____ About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. SEO Keywords: marriage coaching, emotional self-reliance, middle years of marriage, couples communication, vulnerability in relationships, conflict resolution, parenting differences, intimacy challenges, personal growth in marriage, marriage struggles, emotional connection, self-compassion, relationship dynamics, marriage expectations, long-term commitment, marital conflict, relationship coaching, marriage counseling, emotional intimacy, relationship vulnerability, marriage longevity, relationship autonomy, marriage challenges, relationship growth, marriage satisfaction Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 2 | What if the key to unlocking your creative genius lies in the pages of a century-old novel? In this episode, Elle Rowley shares another installment in her series of Portrait of a Matriarch. She takes us on a journey through the life of the matriarch, Lucy Maud Montgomery, creator of Anne of Green Gables and unexpected mentor to generations of dreamers. From Prince Edward Island's red-clay roads to the depths of personal struggle, we explore how Montgomery's resilience and creativity shaped a literary legacy that still resonates today. Elle shares her 5 favorite lessons she learned from studying Maud’s complex life, and the gems of wisdom she took from her matriarchal years: Success comes from small and simple things done consistently Creativity can offer resilience and beauty in the bleakest of circumstances What other people think of you is none of your business Nature is a constant source of wonder and healing The matriarch is the wise woman Are you ready to find your own "Green Gables" of the soul? Share with us what lesson resonates with you as a current or future matriarch. Timestamps: 0:00 Intro: Lucy Maud Montgomery's impact 5:07 Childhood and early life of Montgomery 10:15 Writing career and publishing Anne of Green Gables 15:23 Marriage, motherhood, and personal struggles 20:35 Five lessons from Lucy Maud Montgomery's life 25:44 Creativity as resilience in difficult circumstances 31:25 Overcoming fear of others' opinions 37:33 Nature as inspiration and solace 42:38 Montgomery's message to future generations 47:13 Reflecting on Montgomery's legacy and impact Show Links: "Lucy Maud Montgomery: The Gift of Wings" by Mary Henley Rubio: https://www.amazon.com/Lucy-Maud-Montgomery-Gift-Wings/dp/0385667604 Anne of Green Gables (1985) starring Megan Follows Anne of Green Gables, 1908 edition: https://www.amazon.com/Anne-Green-Gables-Original-Montgomery/dp/B0BTNNMXBV Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowle _____ Listen to Down The Well: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6lUJfguVjtso0sPEg2wR6t?si=votEkMgqRiq8b_aEKht1gg Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/down-the-well/id1797861644 Amazon: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0p4aFo3SlBSNWNpUzhiNkt _____ About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. SEO Keywords: Lucy Maud Montgomery, Anne of Green Gables, Canadian literature, Prince Edward Island, creative writing, childhood imagination, resilience through creativity, matriarchal lessons, mental health struggles, literary success, consistent writing habits, nature inspiration, character development, female authors, early 20th century literature, overcoming rejection, balancing motherhood and career, societal expectations, personal journals, childhood abandonment, community gossip, self-doubt in writing, nature as solace, literary legacy, historical fiction Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 2 Ep 1 | What if motherhood isn't just about raising children, but a profound journey of self-discovery and transformation? Elle is back with another season and starts us out with this soul-stirring episode, she dives deep into the concept of the "mother's hero's journey," inspired by Lisa Marchiano's groundbreaking work. She unravels the seven stages of this journey, from the initial call to adventure to the triumphant return—each step a potential for growth, challenge, and rebirth. The 7 Stages Elle discusses: 1. Departure from ordinary world 2. The call to adventure 3. The descent 4. Meeting the shadow 5. Receiving help and inner wisdom 6. Integration and transformation 7. Return and Contribution This episode goes beyond theory. Elle shares deeply personal stories from her own journey through motherhood—the disorientation, the growth, the unexpected beauty. From sleepless nights that unravel the ego to moments of reckoning with fear and identity, her reflections offer something every mother will recognize. If you've ever wondered whether the everyday trials of motherhood hold deeper meaning, this conversation is for you. What if the hero’s journey isn’t out there—but right here, in your own kitchen, carpool, and quiet breakdowns? Subscribe for more spirit-awakening explorations of motherhood, identity, and personal growth. Comment below: What stage of the mother's hero's journey resonates most with you right now? Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to the mother's hero's journey 06:00 - Breaking down the seven stages 12:00 - Ego death and motherhood 18:00 - Shadow work and integration 24:00 - Finding wisdom in unexpected places 30:00 - The alchemy of transformation 36:00 - Returning with gifts: How mothers change the world 42:00 - Elle's personal childbirth story Show Links: "Motherhood: Finding and Facing Yourself" by Lisa Marchiano - https://lisamarchiano.com/books/ Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey - https://www.amazon.com/Heros-Journey-Joseph-Campbell-Collected/dp/1608681890/ref=asc_df_1608681890?m... Down The Well Links: Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowle _____ Listen to Down The Well: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6lUJfguVjtso0sPEg2wR6t?si=votEkMgqRiq8b_aEKht1gg Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/down-the-well/id1797861644 Amazon: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0p4aFo3SlBSNWNpUzhiNkt _____ About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 1 Ep 11 | In a world that feels increasingly fractured, overwhelmed, and chaotic—what if peace begins not with politicians, but with parents? In this powerful episode, Elle explores how world peace starts at home. She draws a straight line between how we engage with our children and how we shape the future of our society. This is not about perfection—it’s about presence, intention, and radical gentleness. 🔔 Subscribe for more soul-grounded conversations from the edge of motherhood, identity, and becoming. 💬 Comment below: What does peace look like in your home? Timestamps: 04:38 - 3 Keys to Peace at Home 04:45 - Teaching peace 09:45 - Safeguarding our homes 18:56 - Cultivating inner peace 24:29 - World Peace Begins at Home t-shirts Show Links: World Peace Begins At Home t-shirts The Humble Village Down The Well Links: Check out Down The Well on YouTube This episode on YouTube found here Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 1 Ep 10 | What happens when your body changes… and the world doesn’t talk about it? In this honest episode, Elle speaks with Chelsea Etheridge, founder of Not Young, a supplement company geared towards women in perimenopause. Chelsea shares how navigating perimenopause became the unexpected spark for personal transformation and the creation of her platform, Not Young. She opens up about aging, identity, and why the “maiden-obsessed” culture is due for a rewrite. Take a listen... Timestamps: 01:46 - Chelsea's story 09:05 - Story of Not Young 10:25 - Signs of perimenopause 16:16 - View on aging 19:03 - Plot twist! 20:18 - Husband's health 26:44 - Mothering today 35:20 - Future of Not Young Show Links: Not Young Discount Code: SR69JVRINV Not Young. Better. podcast Not Young Instagram Down The Well Links: Check out Down The Well on YouTube This episode on YouTube found here Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 1 Ep 9 | Motherhood can feel like a storm—loud, chaotic, and completely overwhelming. But what if the key to peace isn’t fixing the storm... but learning how to stand still within it? In this episode of Down the Well, Elle dives into six timeless Stoic principles that can transform the way you approach parenting. These lessons offer clarity, peace, and strength for the mother. Take a listen... Timestamps: 01:22 - What is Stoicism 01:59 - Principle #1 04:40 - Principle #2 05:32 - Principle #3 06:15 - Principle #4 07:54 - Mantras 08:30 - Principle #5 10:40 - Principle #6 Down The Well Links: Check out Down The Well on YouTube This episode on YouTube found here Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 1 Ep 8 | On the path of the mother's hero's journey, we are often confronted with challenges. As we strive to navigate these obstacles with open-heartedness, curiosity, and humility, sometimes we fall short and allow our emotions to take control. A certified life coach, Elle teaches proven and practical techniques for on-the-spot emotional regulation that will help any mom become the person she wants to be. Take a listen... Timestamps: 00:21 - Understanding the Mother's Hero's Journey 01:26 - Challenges and Emotions in Motherhood 06:13 - Tools for Self-Coaching: The 1-2-3 Approach 16:02 - Thought Model - CTFAR 27:53 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts Down The Well Links: Episode 2 with Lisa Marchiano here & on YouTube Check out Down The Well on YouTube This episode on YouTube found here Elle's Substack - https://substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 1 Ep 7 | Education is an essential part of parenting. Yet, the decision of how to best educate your children when you're down the proverbial well may feel overwhelming from the number of options, the best fit for each child, or frustration with your current situation. Elle speaks with Liz Black, an education specialist and consultant, about the benefits of homebased schooling. Take a listen... Timestamps: 03:15 - why homeschool is gaining popularity 09:40 - homeschool vs. homebased education 14:06 - what and how to teach 15:43 - will my child get into college with a homeschool education 16:55 - will my child fall behind 18:32 - phases of learning 24:12 - enough socialization 26:40 - extra curricular activities 28:15 - where to start homeschooling 28:58 - can I work and homeschool 30:31 - can families without financial resources homeschool 33:43 - what if I mess this homeschool thing up 39:29 - markers of success 47:17 - what if you're feeling homeschool is not hitting the mark Down The Well Links: Alcott Learning Check out Down The Well on YouTube This episode on YouTube found here Elle's Substack - substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Sz 1 Ep 6 | In our pursuit of a meaningful life, perhaps the answers we seek are found in the past. In this episode of Down The Well, Elle talks about the 5 life-changing lessons from the well known American matriarch, Grandma Moses. Find out how this humble woman led a life of pure inspiration. Take a listen... Timestamps: 08:42 - Lesson #1 15:57 - Lesson #2 22:46 - Lesson #3 29:29 - Lesson #4 34:05 - Lesson #5 Down The Well Links: Check out Down The Well on YouTube This episode on YouTube found here Elle's Substack - substack.com/@ellerowley Elle's Instagram - instagram.com/ellerowley ----- About Down The Well: Motherhood should be full of joy and meaning. But it often isn't. Why is that? On Down the Well, Elle Rowley, talks through the mother's hero's journey, and why it's different from the one you might have learned in school or books. Unlike the traditional hero's journey, mothers have to descend into the depths of their own soul. No one comes out of motherhood the same, and with the right perspective and resources, we can make sure that transformation is for the better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices