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Experience.Computer is a slow-radio programme exploring aphantasia, creativity, and the imagination.IN THIS INTERVIEWJay Springett leads internet culture reporter and ethnographer Katherine Dee through a series of imaginative exercises.Then they discuss:* Early Internet experiences* The weight of words in software programs* The feeling of being inside/outside online communities*  The need for experiencing silence and boredomBig thanks to Katherine for coming on the show! She actually came down with something right after we finished recording.QUOTES“I’ve given so much of myself to the internet. I tasted the fairy food, and I am returning to a mortal world that is different than the one I left.”“When I hit publish, it feels separate from me. It feels like it’s not mine anymore.”*“I’ve always been a big proponent of the internet as a place. Especially in the early days, there was a sense that you were going somewhere.”“Silence is so valuable. Just a few moments a day where you’re not scrolling TikTok or looking at your phone changes how you think.”ABOUT THE GUESTKATHERINE DEE (also known by her pen name; Default Friend) is a internet culture reporter and ethnographer. You can find her work on Substack at Default.Blog.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!If you have ideas for guests you would like to hear from in the next season, add your suggestions in the comments; or share this episode and tag them in Substack Notes.Your recommendations will help guide the conversations that follow.LINKS* Default.Blog* Follow Kathrine on X* Follow Kathrine on BskySubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the personal essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023.Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Experience.Computer is a slow-radio programme exploring aphantasia, creativity, and the imagination.After an unplanned pause, Experience.Computer will back in production for Season 3! If you have ideas for guests you would like to hear from in the next season, add your suggestions in the comments; or share this episode and tag them in Substack Notes. Your recommendations will help guide the conversations that follow.IN THIS INTERVIEWJay Springett leads cookbook writer and community-oriented caterer Jenn de la Vega through a series of imaginative exercises. Then they discuss:* Imagining the audience of a cookbook cooking* Scaling recipes for large events* Impact of organisation of the space of kitchen on the process of cooking* Traditional versus intuitive cooking methods* Social media's influence on food media and marketingQUOTES"I think creating food is like a song. Songs also need balance. They have melody, rhythm, tempo, and timbre.""I'm interested in how you approach scaling up dishes. The math doesn't always add up.""I have a rolling chopping block cart... I can wheel it anywhere!""I think we need a break. I think we all need a vacation from our devices."ABOUT THE GUESTJENN DE LA VEGA is a community-oriented caterer and cookbook writer based in Brooklyn, NY. Jenn has built a unique culinary practice mashing up experiential with visual art and food through residencies at TASTE Cooking, Babycastles Gallery, and Kickstarter. Her kaleidoscopic recipes appear on Food52, The Kitchn, Yummly, and Wine Enthusiast. You'll find a mash-up of her Filipinx heritage, tapas, artisanal cheese, and 90's inspired fast-food cuisine on her menus. She is most known for her Randwiches or "random sandwiches" and founding the gourmet hot dog program at Wonderville, an indie game art-cade bar in Bushwick.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Jenn’s Website* Follow Jenn on Instagram* Jenn’s CookbooksSubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the personal essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads writer, producer, and sound designer Mike Rugnetta through a series of imaginative exercises.Then they discuss:* The nature of imagined versus physical experiences* Carmen San Diego’s role In sparking a love for portable technology* Nostalgia and memory* Smart phones and ‘machine touch’* where the audience is when making work for the internet?* Mike’s relationship with the Yamaha FB-O1 four operator FM synthesiser.QUOTES"You just have to get used to what done enough feels like."“It's like everybody is looking at the horse that just walked into the bar, and they're all talking amongst themselves. Being like, what's the deal with this horse?"“I often feel like I am fighting with my phone to get it to do what I want it to do.”"I could have gotten a similar result and not spent hundreds and hundreds of hours learning a really particular implementation of a really particular thing."ABOUT THE GUESTMIKE RUGNETTA is Brookyn-based writer, producer, and sound designer. He is the co-creator and host of Never Post, a podcast about the internet – as well as the co-creator, co-DM and sound designer of the actual play tabletop roleplaying podcast Fun City. Previously he was the writer, researcher and host of the multiple-award winning PBS Digital series Idea Channel, and the host of Crash Courses Theater and Dramaturgy and World Mythology. His production clients have included Atlas Obscura, Adobe, Duolingo, Future of Storytelling, IBM, Longreads and more.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Mike’s Website* Never Post Podcast* Fun City Podcast* Yamaha FB-O1 Documentation* Mike’s NewsletterSubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads award-winning narrative designer, and writer Meghna Jayanth through a series of imaginative exercises.Then they discuss:* Imagination in narrative design* Agency and identity in video games* Digital spaces and online communities* Online harassment and its effects* Balancing plot and player freedomQUOTES“Games are a medium of agency.”"I stop playing at essentially the moment I’m about to be nuked by the other civilisation.""I think the screen does have a constant pull towards it, you have to resist.""A huge part of game narrative is defining and describing agency and imagining yourself inside the ego of the player."ABOUT THE GUESTMEGHNA JAYANTH is an award-winning narrative designer, writer and speaker. Her work is focused on subverting the capitalist-colonialist fantasies, pleasures and designs that dominate the imaginaries of video games, and rethinking protagonism. Her work includes Thirsty Suitors, 80 Days, Sable, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Boyfriend Dungeon, This War of Mine and Sunless Sea. She is currently working on All Rise, an inappropriately joyous game about climate crisis and corporate criminals.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Meghna’s Website* Follow Meghna on Twitter* Thirsty Suitors* 80 Days* Boyfriend Dungeon* Read more about Meghna on WikipediaSubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads multimedia artist, musician, and author Kris Saknussemm through a series of imaginative exercises. Then they discuss:* Memory and cognition* Discernment and intuition* Being around mainframe computers in the late 70’s* The transition from typewriters to computers* OscillationQUOTES“Everything wants to be remembered. Everything wants to be found.”“It's feeling for an edge, it's making radically rapid calculations of values and geometries”“If you think about rhetoric, the science of the open hand, and dialectic, the science of the closed fist, there is something surgical and geometric about the nature of discernment.”"I was a typewriting pounder. Yeah. I really, I savoured the mechanics of it."ABOUT THE GUESTKRIS SAKNUSSEMM is a multimedia artist, musician, and the author of a range of books including his latest work A Guide to Creative Writing and the Imagination published by Routledge Press. He also co-hosts the podcast Lost Xplorers with J. David Osborne.He received a B.A. with Distinction from Dartmouth, double majoring in English and Native American Studies and holds an M.A. from the University of Washington where he was the Robertson Fellow. His first novel Zanesville was nominated for the Philip K. Dick Award and became a cult favourite in translation in Russia and Poland. His novel Private Midnight achieved bestseller status in France and Italy. His work The Memory Wound won First Prize in the Missouri Review Audio Play competition, and the film of his published play The Humble Assessment (which was the featured work at the Las Vegas Fringe Festival and has also been staged in Australia and Sweden) has been screened at 19 international festivals. He has been a Fellow at the MacDowell and the Black Mountain Institute, Distinguished Artist in Residence at Seattle University, Visiting Master Artist at Salem State University and California State University Dominguez Hills, and a Mellon Scholar in Residence at Rhodes University in South Africa.After living half his life outside America, he lives now in Boulder City, Nevada and is currently an Adjunct Professor at UNLV.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Kris on Bandcamp* Kris on Hearnow* Kris’s books on Amazon.com* Listen to Lost Xplorers on Spotify* Read more about Kris on WikipediaSubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Welcome back to Experience.Computer! I’m your host, Jay Springett, and I’m thrilled to announce the imminent launch of Season 2. Experience.Computer is a slow radio journey into high tech, where we explore perception, experience, and expression.In 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. Exploring perception, experience and expression. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads director and animator Kirsten Lepore through a series of imaginative exercises. Then they discuss:* The process of creating animation * The physicality of stop motion animation* The role of the director* The concepts of time and energy in film editing and more.Experience.Computer is a slow radio show about high tech. Exploring aphantasia, creativity, and the imagination.QUOTES“Once it's done, I'm like, I can't look at it. Like, I need time. You know? Like, I need to be detached from this.”“My mind had a blueprint and I just followed it. I would sketch it out, get what I'm imagining right, and then stick to it. Then it's just about following that blueprint that's in my mind from the get-go.”“I enjoy animation maybe 10 to 15% of the time when I'm doing it. I like to dance sometimes when I'm animating and get into a really amazing state of flow.”ABOUT THE GUESTKirsten Lepore is an LA-based director and animator, and alumna of CalArts. She was the Animation Director on the A24 feature, Marcel the Shell with Shoes On, which was nominated for an Oscar, Golden Globe, and won 3 Annie Awards, a Critics Choice Award, National Board of Review and New York Film Critics Circle award for Best Animated Picture. She recently wrote and directed the Marvel Studios "I Am Groot" series streaming on Disney+. Previously, Kirsten's viral short “Hi Stranger” garnered upwards of 200 million views online, and her stop-motion episode of Adventure Time won a 2016 Emmy & Annie award.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Kirsten’s Website* Kirsten on IMDB* Marcel the Shell with Shoes On - A24* Read more about Kirsten on Wikipedia:Subscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads writer and social thinker Dougald Hine through a series of imaginative exercises.Then they discuss:* How the internet came in like a tide* The importance of attention and presence* The significance of writing by hand and its impact on self-expression and communication* The power of conversation and its ability to shape and influence ideas and moreExperience.Computer is a slow radio show about high tech. Exploring aphantasia, creativity, and the imagination.QUOTES“And then you said symbolism and suddenly my attention was completely pivoted away from that towards something more abstract”“So there are two ways of using language. We can use it to word the world, which is to attempt to create a sort of descriptive layer above the world that tells us how things really are, or we can use words to world, the world, which is treating language as something that's part of, and acts within the world.”“There's a danger of the written word because it can't explain itself, because it is context less.”ABOUT THE GUESTDougald Hine is a social thinker, writer and speaker. After an early career as a BBC journalist, he co-founded organisations including the Dark Mountain Project and a school called HOME. He has collaborated with scientists, artists and activists, serving as a leader of artistic development at Riksteatern (Sweden’s national theatre) and as an associate of the Centre for Environment and Development Studies at Uppsala University. His latest book is At Work in the Ruins: Finding Our Place in the Time of Science, Climate Change, Pandemics & All the Other Emergencies (2023). He co-hosts The Great Humbling podcast and publishes a Substack called Writing Home.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Dougald On Substack* Dougald’s Website* Buy At Work in the Ruin* The Great Humbling Podcast* A School Called Home* Read more about Dougald on WikipediaABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads philosopher and writer Reza Negarestani through a series of imaginative exercises. Then they discuss:* The experience of handling ancient relics* The nature of thinking* His favourite video game* The very concepts of consciousness and intelligence* Philosophy, Intelligence and AI and moreExperience.Computer is a slow radio show about high tech. Exploring perception, experience and expression.QUOTES“You know, I think that the art of forgetting is fundamental to rescuing good ideas.”“When I reflect on it (..) It's the page, it's as if it's really me. It's really my brain. I don't even see that it is a distinct sort of, uh, you know, a surface or place.”“Writing is actually where the real thinking is being done.”ABOUT THE GUESTReza Negarestani is an Iranian philosopher and writer. He pioneered the genre of 'theory-fiction' with his 2008 book Cyclonopedia described by Ray Brassier as a “hybrid of philosophical fiction heretical theology, aberrant demonology and renegade archeology”. Reza is the author of several works including the Intelligence and Spirit and the comic book Chronosis. Reza is a board member of The New Centre for Research & Practice and his newest book Abducting the Outside: Collected Writings 2003–2018 is available for pre-order now.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Reza’s blog* Buy Cyclonopedia* Buy Intelligence and Spirit* Pre-order Abducting the Outside* Read more about Reza on WikipediaABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast PermanentlyMoved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at https://www.thejaymo.net/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads award-winning British animator and illustrator Julia Pott through a series of imaginative exercises.Then they discuss:* The role of memories and emotions in creating art* The Influence of dreams on creative work* The process of making animation and voice acting* The experience of directing a TV show* Imaginative exercises and their impact on ones art and moreExperience.Computer is a slow radio show about high tech. Exploring aphantasia, creativity, and the imagination.QUOTES“I feel like you're trying to be in two places at once because you can feel what it's like to be sitting in a space that you're sitting in, what it's like to look out the window, what the smells are in the room you're in, and then you're trying to imagine something else at the same time”“Often I'm projecting exactly what makes me feel sad or scared when I see the film. If it resonates with me or if it gives me that feeling, then Then I feel like it's successful”“I'm a terrible texter. Absolutely hate it.“ABOUT THE GUESTJulia Pott is an animator, illustrator and the creator and executive producer for the GLAAD and Emmy nominated series Summer Camp Island on Cartoon Network - which can now be found on HBO Max. She was a staff writer on the final two seasons of Adventure Time, and was named one of the 10 Animators to Watch by Variety Magazine. She lives in Los Angeles and enjoys making ceramics.IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS* Julia on Substack* Julia’s Website* Summer Camp Island on IMDB* Julia on WikipediaSubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

Jay Springett leads author and podcaster J David Osborne through a series of imaginative exercises. Then they discuss:* The concept of sensory and perceptual experiences* The sensation of visualising numbers and mathematical operations* The feeling of the sacred* Chat app UX, and social media* The shape of stories * Using different software for writing and moreExperience.Computer is a slow radio show about high tech. Exploring perception, experience and expression.QUOTES“A hyper real crunch. The crunch. The ultimate crunch, the ur crunch - right?”“Every thought that I have are more vocal. It's more voice oriented. So I'm talking to myself in my brain. Other thoughts are feelings. As a matter of fact, you having me do this exercise is interesting because it makes me realise how few times I do focus on the images in my head like that.”“The only way that I can describe it is that it just feels right. It just feels correct. Something happens, and you think, and I learned over time to listen to that instead of worry too much about plot because sometimes I'd get an idea that felt correct. And then I would think, well, my character wouldn't do that.”ABOUT THE GUESTis co-founder of Broken River Books, a collective of five aspiring full-time writers. He is the author of the Wonderland-Award-winning novel By the Time We Leave Here, We'll Be Friends, the surreal noir Low Down Death Right Easy, and the cyberpunk novel series God$ Fare No Better. He is the co-host of Agitator Podcast with Kelby Losack, and Lost Xplorers with Kris Saknussemm, and lives in Oklahoma with his wife and son. IN YOUR MINDHas this interview sparked any thoughts or questions about your own mind's eye, creative process, or inner experience? I'd love to hear your insights! Share your reflections in the comments below or on social media!LINKS:* Agitator on Spotify* Agitator Patreon* Lost Xplorers on Spotify* Gods Fare No Better series on Amazon.com* Broken River on SubstackSubscribe to Experience.Computer* Apple Podcasts* Spotify* PocketcastsABOUT THE SHOWIn 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor.Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. An interview show exploring perception, experience and expression. The show examines how people perceive the world, and how they work with the creative tools they use to make their work with.ABOUT THE HOSTJay Springett is a strategist and writer. His work focuses on the design, administration and flourishing of worlds of all kinds He has hosted the 301 second long essay podcast Permanently Moved since 2018, and Experience.Computer since 2023. Jay is currently working on his first book ‘The Web Was a Side Quest‘ and writes online at thejaymo.net This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer

In 2022 writer and host Jay Springett discovered he had aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in one's mind. For 36 years he thought 'picture this' was a metaphor. Experience.Computer is slow radio about high tech. Exploring perception, experience and expression. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit experience.computer