In this podcast, Eric van Otten encourages listeners to act in faith on the opportunities God places in their hearts. Eric is a Dutch baker who runs a multi-generational bakery with 140 employees, producing natural, additive-free bread. He loves sharing Jesus' love with the people he meets through his business, and this love also inspires him to impact communities globally. He helped establish bakeries in needy areas in various countries and created the “BakeTainer”—a mobile bakery designed for challenging environments like refugee camps or war zones. By combining a sustainable business model with practical solutions such as solar panels and water purification, these units empower local entrepreneurship and foster community growth. You can find more on the page of the foundation, The Breadhouse.
A thought-provoking exchange between business leader Bill Job and prophet Sander Wuister about the role of prophecy in business. Sander regularly prays for businesses and (business)leaders. Bill shares his experiences in this area and why he decided to have a prophet as a business consultant on the payroll. Listen to this revealing talk about the pitfalls and benefits. Bill and Sander also encourage us to develop this gift in our own lives, as a loving Father likes to give us insight and revelation. This episode is a rerun and was first released in August 2023.Sander Wuister holds a PhD in chemistry, has held a leading position in a business setting, and developed his prophetic gifting in the meantime. He is now a full-time prophet, runs a School of Prophecy (in Dutch) and wrote a book 'Woorden van Leven'. See www.woordenvanleven.nl Did this episode spark your interest? Check out the course Kingdom Mindsets for Business, Life & Work with short and to-the-point audio and video material based on real life experiences.
Do Christians make good employees? "Some are excellent," shares Bill Job from experience, "But many business owners share with me that Christians can be lousy workers." Why is this? Bill and Gea discuss the meaning of grace and some worldviews that hinder us from experiencing our job as a spiritual experience and an assignment under the Lord's guidance. September 3rd, 2025: next start of cohort 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' training Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training program, including six online sessions in a small cohort, to facilitate interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail Gea when you're interested >> geagort@gmail.com
In this episode, the discussion explores the integration of worship and spiritual practices into business, emphasizing that aligning with God in business can lead to improved problem-solving and greater peace, even amid challenges. Bill and Gea talk with Pauline Skeates, a therapist and researcher from New Zealand who developed Insight Focused neuroTherapy (IFnT). IFnT focuses on creating a safe environment, both internally and externally, to open individuals to new experiences and insights. September 3rd, 2025: start of new cohort 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' Gea and Bill developed a 10-week training program, including six online sessions in a small cohort, to facilitate interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. More info: www.bammoves.com.
This episode examines the importance of place in Business as Mission, as people may be led to specific locations by God for His purposes. Gea and Bill share personal stories of discovering God's calling through their experiences in different places, and discuss practical ways to embrace and love a city or place, understanding its history, culture, and needs. They emphasize the concept of "thin places" where God's presence seems near. Listeners are encouraged to seek these thin places in their areas that welcome God's presence and to explore deeper theological insights through resources like Gea's book, "God in the City: A Missional Way of Life in an Urban Context".
In this podcast, Bill and Gea talk with serial entrepreneur Emmie van Halder. Emmie shares her life's journey of blending business and faith. Over the past ten years, faith and work have become inseparable for her, but this integration wasn't always the case. In her youth, she joined Youth With A Mission (YWAM), but upon returning to her home country, the Netherlands, she didn't feel at home in a church. Meanwhile, her focus shifted to entrepreneurship, and she founded multiple startups. Her business life thrived, and she lost her connection to Christianity. A pivotal moment came when an investment banker, who was also a pastor, invited her to church, leading to a life-changing return to faith in 2013.She found a church fellowship and connected with other Kingdom-minded businesspeople. She became a board member of Business as Mission (BAM) Netherlands, and she is investing in (BAM) start-ups, especially those with a focus on Africa. For Emmie, faith and work are now inseparable, and she encourages others to trust God’s guidance in all aspects of life.Learn more about the training Bill and Gea developed, next cohort starts in September > www.bammoves.com =
Kitty and Bill Job share their journey of starting a business in China, initially expecting to be traditional missionaries but instead becoming involved in a business venture. The couple discusses their various roles in the company, the impact of prayer, and how their business has become an excellent way to integrate with ministry. They both highlight the importance of faith, flexibility, and prayer throughout their journey. Bill expresses deep gratitude for Kitty's support, acknowledging that without her, their success in China would not have been possible.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessGea and Bill developed a 10-week training, including 6 online sessions in a small cohort to allow for interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com Mail us when you're interested > info@bammoves.com
In this episode, Bill and Gea discuss thriving in the face of adversity. Bill shares how he saw God's faithfullness while running a company in China, but not all situations ended successfully. Like the closure of a factory due to an unexpected economic downturn and the emotional difficulty it caused among employees. Bill emphasizes that thriving amid adversity is about shifting focus from personal success to seeing God's role as the true hero. He encourages listeners to start small, ask God for help in everyday situations, and build a history of faith that strengthens over time. With enough experience, challenges become opportunities to witness God's faithfulness.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessGea and Bill developed a 10-week training, including 6 online sessions in a small cohort to allow for interaction. Cohorts start in February, May and September. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail us when you're interested > info@bammoves.com
In this episode Gea and Bill talk with Walter aan de Wiel, a Dutch entrepreneur who co-founded SEVI, a business providing stock financing to small shops in Kenya and other developing countries. These small shops, often no larger than a square meter, struggle with the lack of credit and must pay upfront for their stock. Sevi allows them to purchase on credit, benefiting from bulk discounts and deliveries, which improves their efficiency and profitability.Walter blends technology with personal relationships, leveraging local salespeople to build trust with shop owners before introducing them to Sevi's platform. The business model has been successful in reducing default rates and offering ethical, low-interest loans, as opposed to informal and unjust lending systems.Walter's entrepreneurial journey was influenced by a prophecy about working in Africa, leading him to study and work in countries like Kenya and Kosovo. Despite setbacks like COVID-19, Sevi grew rapidly after 2021. Walter emphasizes the importance of faith, perseverance, and an open mind to new opportunities, even in challenging times.The promised link to the book 'Operating in the Courts of Heaven' by Robert Henderson.
In this episode, Michiel shares his journey of how his first love was reignited—his relationship with God and a renewed sense of purpose. Having once built a business rooted in faith but ultimately burning out, Michiel speaks candidly about the challenges of maintaining spiritual clarity amid the pressures of entrepreneurship.A turning point came for him at the Business as Mission (BAM) Congress, where an encounter awakened his calling toward business in the Middle East, particularly Iraq. If you want to contact Michiel, please email info@bammoves.com, and we will connect you.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessYou are invited to join the May 2025 cohort and follow the ten-week online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea. The start will be May 14th, 2025. More about the content of the training, see BAM Moves >
In this episode, Matt Wagner continues to share his experiences of integrating ministry and business. Building on his previous story, he elaborates on his journey as a business and church leader. Matt refers to the five-fold ministry model, which links the church’s structure to the human body, and how the five gifts from Ephesians 4—apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists—are essential for a healthy church. This framework also applies to business, where Matt and Bill see a similar need for the various gifts to function within companies. Matt shares how these principles can lead to a more significant impact when business leaders and pastors collaborate, moving away from competition and towards mutual support for God's kingdom. Both Bill and Matt advocate for a servant-leader mindset, where both pastors and business leaders work together in humility, focusing on shared goals and mutual respect, instead of ego. Matt and Gea refer to the global ministry SEAPC as an example where they have seen this modeled. The conversation ends with an optimistic view on the growing shift towards integrating faith into daily work life, with increasing momentum worldwide. Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessYou are invited to join the May 2025 cohort and follow the ten-weeks online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea. Two different cohorts will start on May 14th, 2025. For more info about the difference between the two cohorts and the content of the training, see BAM Moves >
Matt Wagner believes that the future of ministry involves blending the realms of church and business to fulfill God’s calling in new and transformative ways. He shares his journey of learning to embrace both his talents in church leadership and business entrepreneurship. Matt felt a calling to plant churches early in life, but church planting proved financially difficult, leading him to venture into business. He started a roofing company, which grew rapidly. Eventually, he expanded into custom home building. It was a busy life, and he felt the disconnect between the church and the business world. Yet he felt God wouldn’t let him stop the business and grew in his conviction that God doesn’t want a divide between church and business. Instead that they should join hands in building God’s Kingdom. In the next episode with Matt, he will address some of the things needed for this to happen.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessJoin the May cohort and follow the ten-weeks online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea! Two different cohorts will start on May 14th, 2025. For more info about the difference between the two cohorts and more about the content of the training, see BAM Moves >
Hana is a business owner in Iraq. He has a desire to create networks of Christian entrepreneurs in his home country, and to develop projects that provide jobs and support ministries. In this podcast he shares his journey into business. Hana was raised in a Catholic family and experienced a profound transformation when he was eighteen years old. He started his business in 2018 after working for many years in non-profits. His journey from employee to business owner was challenging, particularly due to his internal struggle with transitioning from the non-profit to for-profit mindset. Over time, he realized the value of business in serving society, especially through job creation, and shifted his perspective on the role of business in God's kingdom.His company, which focuses on consulting and business development, now employs 12 people. He experienced changed lives in his company, and emphasizes the importance of providing job opportunities and how businesses can serve the community. Therefore, one of his goals is to open a hotel, provide job opportunities, and fund other projects.If you'd like to come into contact with Hana, mail: geagort@gmail.com Hana’s story highlights how God’s involvement in business can bring transformation, and he shares his personal experiences of seeking God for direction and embracing faith in every step.Join the May cohort and follow the online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business' hosted by Bill and Gea! Two different cohorts will start with the ten-week online training on May 14th, 2025. For more info about these cohorts and training, see BAM Moves >
Bill recounts a journey of entrepreneurial resilience amidst adversity, starting with a small business venture in China. Despite challenges like political tensions and losing his first business partner, he persisted. Through faith and innovation, he diversified into stained glass and later pioneered collectible villages. Each setback, like losing a major client, only spurred creative solutions and spiritual growth. Bill emphasizes relying on God's guidance and maintaining a humble, inclusive workplace culture, empowering unexpected leaders. His story illustrates how faith and business intertwine, urging listeners to see challenges as opportunities for spiritual and professional growth, fostering a unique kingdom-oriented approach in business practices.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessThe 10-week online training with six sessions hosted by Bill and Gea starts three times a year: in February, May and September. The material is based on Bill's experiences on the workfloor. You are warmly invited to join others from around the globe; to seek together in a small group how to merge faith and work. More info: BAM Moves.
This episode with Bill Job encourages listeners to embrace a childlike attitude, characterized by trust, openness to learning, and a playful approach to challenges, which can lead to deeper spiritual growth and connection with God.Bill shares his journey of recognizing the limitations of his own knowledge and the need for intellectual humility. He describes a moment when God revealed to him the idea of having categories for understanding scripture, like wooden mailboxes. Without these categories, certain teachings and ideas would not make sense. Bill reflects on how this realization led to a shift in his thinking, encouraging him to be open to new perspectives and to embrace the learning process.The discussion also touches on the importance of childlike faith and trust in God, as well as the courage to try new things without overthinking them. Bill uses the metaphor of a child learning through experience rather than academic study, emphasizing that spiritual growth often comes through action and trust. The conversation highlights the value of being willing to take risks, even if they seem silly or unconventional, as part of growing in faith and experiencing the fullness of life that God offers.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessThe 10-week online training with six sessions hosted by Bill and Gea starts three times a year: in February, May and September. The material is based on Bill's experiences on the workfloor. You are warmly invited to join others from around the globe; to seek together in a small group how to merge faith and work. More info: BAM Moves.
In this episode Bill shares how his initial perspective of God as a distant authority, changed through personal experiences that revealed God’s warm, engaging personality. One key moment was calculating the miracle of turning water into wine, which highlighted God’s celebration and relational nature.A reenactment of the prodigal son further showcased unconditional, overwhelming love.Influenced by these insights, Bill now practices inclusive, compassionate business leadership, hiring people based on their potential rather than conventional qualifications. His story encourages a deeper, genuine relationship with God that brings joy, adventure, and abundant life into work and everyday living.Training Kingdom Mindsets for BusinessThe 10-week online training with six sessions hosted by Bill and Gea starts three times a year: in February, May and September. The material is based on Bill's experiences on the workfloor. You are warmly invited to join others from around the globe; to seek together in a small group how to merge faith and work. More info: BAM Moves.
In this podcast Gea talks with Eric and Annebeth, a couple from the Netherlands, who are moving to Asia to expand a coffee business aimed at helping local farmers. While preparing for their move, they decided to work together with the mission organization Interserve, which supports people globally in integrating faith with their work. Because, besides helping farmers economically, they also seek ways to share their Christian faith. Their mission is not just to grow a business but to bring lasting change to the community. Their goal is to increase the number of farmers from 250 to 1,000, improving their livelihoods by helping them grow coffee, earn a steady income, and access education and healthcare. While the project is a business, its core mission is to provide jobs and social justice. Eric brings a background in financial management, and Annebeth specializes in sustainable investing, both of which they plan to apply to make the business more sustainable.Eric and Annebeth's story highlights the importance of using professional skills in building these kind of social (BAM) businesses, and they encourage listeners to consider how they can contribute to projects with a social impact.If you'd like to connect with Eric and Annebeth, you can do so by mailing info@bammoves.com. There is still time to join Bill and Gea's online training 'Kingdom Mindsets for Business', the next cohort will start February 6th. 2025 (instead of January) For more info, see BAMmoves.com.
Bart Kuijpers, co-founder of Coolblue, highlights the importance of integrating faith into entrepreneurship. In this conversation, Bart shares how Coolblue was launched in 1999, starting with selling MP3 players online. With a strong emphasis on excellent service and delighting customers, Coolblue became a highly recognized brand across the Netherlands. After 15 years, Bart yearned for more adventure and deeper alignment with God’s guidance. Bart then founded Royalis Investments with Maurits Roose, focusing on Christian entrepreneurs as they see them as potential modern-day pastors who can offer mentorship and guidance to their employees as well as to broader society. Bart wants to support those entrepreneurs with finances, leadership advice, and spiritual encouragement. While encouraging them to pursue impactful goals that extend beyond their lifetimes. Bill Job affirms Bart’s approach, reflecting on his own experiences in China where building a strong, collaborative team led to long-term influence. Together, they urge entrepreneurs to foster supportive communities, celebrate successes, and seek God’s direction. Listeners are invited to join the upcoming Kingdom-focused training, encouraging listeners to keep integrating faith and business pursuits for significant, enduring Kingdom impact.
In this episode, Gea, Bill and Mats Tunehag (Chairman of BAM Global) discuss the concept of Business as Mission and the realities of being “wounded healers” in the marketplace. Mats emphasizes that personal struggles, whether betrayals or depression, are not disqualifiers but part of a deeper process of transformation. He refers to the Japanese art form kintsugi—repairing broken pottery with gold—to illustrate how God doesn’t merely patch up our wounds but uses them to shape us into something more beautiful and whole. Bill emphasizes that responding to challenges with prayer, forgiveness, and reliance on God leads to unexpected blessings and inner healing.Central to the conversation is the conviction that real Business as Mission arises when we shift from an ego-driven “my story” approach to seeing ourselves as participants in God’s “theodrama.” Mats notes that embracing God’s larger narrative can bring both unpredictability and peace. The notion of “tikkun olam,” or repairing the world, underscores the call for Christ-followers to bring holistic transformation—spiritually and socio-economically—to communities.Throughout the discussion, the speakers stress authenticity, vulnerability, and the power of community support. They encourage others to keep going despite setbacks, trusting that God will work through each person’s unique journey for His greater redemptive purposes.Download here a free copy of Mats Tunehag's booklet 'Wounded Healers in the Marketplace' >>Join Bill and Gea for the online training Kingdom Mindsets for Business, the next cohort will start January 15th, 2025. For more info, see BAMmoves.com.What others say about the training: "The course has been really great, it has raised my expectations of not only God's involvement in the business but raised my expectations of what a daily partnership with the Lord can look like.""So Biblical yet so different than any Sunday school seminar, Sunday morning, college ministry or missions person says or teaches!""I loved the exercises, simple and practical. They really help to transfer what Bill shares and make it real and personal for myself."
In this podcast episode, Gea Gort, Bill Job, and Mats Tunehag discuss the global Business as Mission (BAM) movement. The movement’s foundation was shaped by global think tanks involving business people, theologians, and church leaders, resulting in over 35 reports exploring various BAM-related topics. One notable output was the Wealth Creation Manifesto, which explores biblical perspectives on wealth.The movement has grown exponentially over the past 30 years, with BAM businesses now operating in over 20 languages across multiple continents. Local, indigenous groups are increasingly adopting BAM principles, driven by their entrepreneurial spirit and the movement's decentralized nature. Various reports, like the BAM Manifesto and the Wealth Creation Manifesto, can be found at https://bamglobal.org/reports/ January 15th, 2025 the next cohort for the training Kingdom Mindsets for Business will start. More info, see BAMmoves.com.