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Welcome to Lawfare No Bull. We have been doing no bull podcasts, mostly for congressional hearings for a long time on the Lawfare podcast feed, we decided to do more of them incorporating a wider range of the public sound of the world of National Security


So we spun it off as its own podcast. No Bull Lawfare. It will feature primary source audio from a range of sources, speeches, congressional hearings, court proceedings, think tank events, things that we think are interesting and that we think you'll think are interesting. Sometimes edited, sometimes not.


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On May 8, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Gen. Charles “CQ” Brown testified during a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense hearing on President Joe Biden’s 2025 Defense Budget Request. Several senators inquired about the Biden administration and Defense Department’s decision to pause the shipment of aid and weapons to Israel amidst the ongoing war in Gaza. Secretary Austin confirmed that  one shipment of “high-payload munitions” was paused as the department “re-evaluated some of the security assistance” that the U.S. was providing. In response to a number of questions, Austin asserted that the U.S.’s support for Israel remains “iron-clad.” Other topics were covered by the Committee, including deterrence, nuclear capabilities, border security, and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On April 25, 2024 the Supreme Court of the United States heard oral arguments in Trump v. United States, former President Trump's appeal of the D.C. Circuit's rejection of his claim that presidential immunity shields him from being prosecuted by special counsel Jack Smith for alleged attempts to subvert the outcomes of the 2020 presidential election. D. John Sauer represented Trump. Michael Dreeben represented the Justice Department. Oral argument began at 10am. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On February 12th, 2024, Judge Scott McAfee held a motions hearing in Fulton County Superior Court. The hearing centered on several motions to quash filed by individuals who received subpoenas to testify or produce documents ahead of an evidentiary hearing on whether district attorney Fani Willis should be disqualified from prosecuting Donald Trump and others. Judge McAfee did not immediately rule on the motions to quash. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Jan. 12, Israel delivered oral arguments rejecting South Africa’s claims of Israeli genocide in Gaza in the International Court of Justice (ICJ). In South Africa v. Israel, South Africa alleges that Israel’s conduct in the war in Gaza has violated the 1948 Convention Against Genocide. At this stage of the proceedings, South Africa seeks a directive, or “provisional measure,” from the ICJ that would order Israel to stop operations in Gaza on the basis that South Africa’s claims are plausible and that irreparable harm is possible if Israeli operations continue. Among other arguments, Israel’s representatives contend that the ICJ lacks jurisdiction, as there is no “dispute” over whether Israel has committed genocide; the standards of irreparable harm and urgency required to establish provisional measures are not satisfied, as Israel has taken pains to mitigate civilian harm by asking civilians to leave conflict areas and allowing substantial levels of humanitarian aid to pass into Gaza; and provisional measures halting Israeli operations would violate Israel’s inherent right to self-defense. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Jan. 11, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) held a public hearing in the case of South Africa v. Israel, on whether Israel is committing acts of genocide in Gaza. In its first public hearing of the case, the ICJ heard the South African legal delegation’s oral arguments, in which they alleged that Israel’s actions in Gaza have violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention of 1948. South Africa also argued that the court should grant the nine provisional measures requested in its complaint against Israel, including ordering the halt of Israeli military operations in the Gaza Strip while the case is ongoing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Dec. 6, the Colorado Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the appeal of the Denver District Court decision that found that former President Donald Trump “engaged in insurrection” but could not be disqualified from primary and general election ballots in Colorado because of the language of Section 3. The arguments in front of the state supreme court centered on whether the presidency is an “office…under the United States,” whether the president is “an officer of the United States,” whether Trump engaged in insurrection, and how the issues may conflict with Trump’s First Amendment rights.   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Dec. 5, FBI Director Christopher Wray testified before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary in a hearing entitled “Oversight of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The committee questioned Wray about FISA Section 702 reauthorization, sextortion and child sexual exploitation, the rise in hate crimes across America, and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Dec. 1 in Fulton County, Judge Scott McAfee heard arguments from the State and several of the 15 defendants on a number of motions related to First Amendment concerns, the scheduling of an eventual trial, discovery matters, and general and special demurrers. Judge McAfee did not immediately rule on any of the motions. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Nov. 21, in a hearing in Fulton County, Judge Scott McAfee heard arguments on whether Harrison Floyd, the former leader of a group called Black Voices for Trump, should have his bail revoked for using X, formerly known as Twitter, to indirectly communicate with witnesses. Judge McAfee determined that the most appropriate solution is to amend Floyd’s conditions of release, not remand him to custody. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Nov. 20, the three-judge panel of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals heard oral arguments on the gag order imposed on former President Donald J. Trump by Judge Tanya S. Chutkan in the Jan. 6 case. The three judge panel pressed Trump’s lawyer, D. John Sauer, on whether any limit can be imposed on political speech related to a court proceeding and whether a gag order could be imposed on Trump to proactively protect the people involved in proceedings. The judges questioned Justice Department attorney Cecil Vandevender on the breadth of the gag order.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Nov. 15, Judge Scott McAfee heard arguments from defendants in the Fulton County election interference case on the State’s emergency motion for a protective order and defendant David Shafer’s response in opposition and proposed protective order. The State had proposed a blanket protective order for all discovery, while Shafer proposed a protective order that would only apply to discovery deemed sensitive. The State agreed to Shafer’s proposed order, as did most other co-defendants. The media intervenors in the case lodged a vigorous objection. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Nov. 3, in a hearing in Fulton County, Judge Scott McAfee heard arguments on motions from the Georgia Secretary of State, the Fulton County Superior Court Clerk, and the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections to quash defendant Harrison Floyd’s subpoenas for access to elections data from the 2020 election. During the hearing, Floyd’s counsel withdrew its subpoena of the Board of Elections and Judge McAfee asked the Secretary of State and Superior Court Clerk for more details on the burden these subpoenas would create and how to protect potential personal identifying information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Oct. 31, NCTC Director Christine Abizaid, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, and FBI Director Christopher Wray testified before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in a hearing entitled “Threats to the Homeland.” The committee questioned the witnesses about terrorism threats facing the country, issues related to the southern border, antisemitic and faith-related violence and threats, and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Oct. 24, Jenna Ellis, a former Trump lawyer, pleaded guilty to one felony count in the Fulton County election interference case. Ellis will serve five years of probation and agreed to testify against other defendants in the case. Ellis’s plea comes days after co-defendants Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell pleaded guilty.   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Oct. 20, Kenneth Chesebro, a former Trump lawyer and alleged architect of the “fake electors scheme,” pleaded guilty to one felony count in the Fulton County election interference case. Chesebro will serve five years of probation and agreed to testify against other defendants in the Fulton County case. Chesebro’s plea comes one day after co-defendant Sidney Powell pleaded guilty.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Oct. 19, Sidney Powell, a former Trump lawyer and one of 19 defendants in the Fulton County election interference case, pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor charges, including conspiracy to commit intentional interference of election duties. Powell will serve six years of probation and agreed to testify against the remaining defendants in the Fulton County case. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Oct. 16, in a hearing in Fulton County court, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell’s attorneys haggled with prosecutors over questions in the jury selection questionnaire that will be handed out to potential jurors on Friday Oct. 20. Judge Scott McAfee focused on eliminating repetitive questions. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Oct. 10 and 11, Judge Scott McAfee heard arguments on a number of pre-trial motions in the Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell trial in Fulton County Court, including motions to dismiss the indictment and motions to dismiss the racketeering charges. The audio from the two hearings has been edited and put together here with a break in the middle. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On Sept. 29, Scott Hall, a Georgia bail bondsman and one of the 19 defendants in the Fulton County election interference case, pleaded guilty to five misdemeanor charges in exchange for probation. As part of the deal, he agreed to testify against other defendants in the Fulton County case. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
 On Sept. 20, Attorney General Merrick Garland testified before the House Judiciary Committee in a hearing entitled “Oversight of the U.S. Department of Justice.” The committee questioned Garland about the Hunter Biden investigations, the role of special counsels, the Department of Justice’s actions related to January 6th, and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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