MasterMined: A Behavioral & Mental Health Podcast

In this episode of MasterMined, hosts Mark Scrivner and Lee Pepper sit down with Lipscomb University leaders Dr. Allison Duke and Dr. Bart Liddle to explore how business education and leadership development are evolving to meet the needs of the healthcare industry. They share insights on integrating creativity, strategy, and human-centered leadership into business education, as well as how AI is transforming both the classroom and the healthcare space.   Timestamped Highlights: 00:36 – Welcome and guest introductions 02:05 – Why Duke and Liddle chose academia after corporate careers 04:03 – Inside Lipscomb's MBA and MHA programs designed by practitioners 07:09 – Nashville as the "Silicon Valley of Healthcare" 08:08 – Training early-career professionals for leadership in healthcare 13:01 – Equipping clinicians for management roles 16:09 – The five virtues of leadership and the role of creativity 17:23 – Teaching managers to coach and motivate employees 34:25 – Lipscomb's campus-wide embrace of AI tools 35:42 – Why learning AI is as essential as learning Excel 39:00 – How AI can make healthcare more human 42:13 – The lifelong value of graduate education and continuous learning   Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Dr. Allison Duke: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allisonduke-lipscomb | https://lipscomb.edu/business Connect with Dr. Bart Liddle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bartliddle/  | www.lipscomb.edu Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner | https://snapshotinteractive.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com

When clinical insight meets visionary leadership, transformation happens. In this episode, Fellowship Hall CEO Kelly Scaggs joins Mark, Jeff, and Lee to discuss leading with empathy, empowering women in behavioral health, and how saying "yes" to the opportunities that scare you can open unexpected doors. From navigating nonprofit boards to embracing AI responsibly, Kelly shares practical wisdom for leaders who want to shape the future of addiction treatment with heart, humility, and purpose. Timestamped Highlights: 00:01 — Kelly reflects on her journey from family counselor to Fellowship Hall's first female CEO. 02:40 — Bridging clinical empathy with executive leadership. 05:05 — Servant leadership and leading by example—no job too small. 07:00 — Managing diverse nonprofit boards with insight and grace. 13:00 — Mission alignment as a compass for every decision. 16:00 — The power of saying "yes" to growth and courage in leadership. 18:30 — Inspiring the next generation of women in behavioral health. 24:50 — Practicing gratitude and authentic appreciation as leadership tools. 31:00 — The "miracle of recovery" and finding daily motivation in client transformation. 35:45 — Navigating payer challenges and the changing treatment landscape. 36:00 — Balancing AI innovation with ethical care. 38:00 — Building hope and collaboration across the addiction treatment field. 49:50 — Fellowship Hall's legacy, mission, and what's next for integrated care. Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Kelly Scaggs: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-scaggs-mha-lcsw-lcas-ccs-mac-icaadc-a0b17521 | https://fellowshiphall.com  Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner | https://snapshotinteractive.com Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com

Country artist and radio host Lindsay Lawler joins MasterMined to talk about music as medicine, storytelling as therapy, and how her platform We Should Write helps people process their pain through writing. From her start performing on the Sunset Strip to hosting Road Gang Radio for America's long-haul drivers, Lindsay's journey shows how creativity, vulnerability, and connection can change lives. She shares how songwriting has been a bridge between performance and purpose—helping others heal, one lyric at a time. Key Moments: 00:01 – Meet Lindsay Lawler, singer-songwriter and radio host of Road Gang Radio and We Should Write 04:12 – How childhood emotions shaped her love for music and healing through performance 11:25 – The origin of Road Gang Radio and connection with the trucking community 22:15 – Why sharing vulnerable stories builds trust and healing on-air 26:41 – The therapeutic power of writing down trauma and "getting it out of you" 29:50 – Veterans and rewriting their stories through reflection and writing 34:08 – Healing can happen in a single song: how creativity bridges therapy and transformation 46:33 – How to start writing for healing—rituals, journaling, and slow writing 55:33 – Lindsay's philosophy: "See the human in everyone—healing starts with empathy." Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Lindsay Lawler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsay-lawler-66791a6 | https://www.radionemo.com/weshouldwrite Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner | https://snapshotinteractive.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com

Brian O'Shea, founder of Brian O'Shea Coaching and Consulting, joins MasterMined to explore the intersections of recovery, family systems, and spiritual repair. With over 30 years guiding individuals, families, and organizations, Brian brings the wisdom of lived experience — from early exposure to addiction and celebrity culture alongside Truman Capote, to decades of helping others navigate healing and purpose. In this conversation, Brian shares how trauma, education, and spirituality shaped his work; why leaders must address generational patterns in order to truly transform; and how contemplative practices like labyrinth walking and ceremony create space for repair.   What You'll Learn ·       How multigenerational trauma shapes behavior and recovery ·       Practical ways to bring spiritual repair into daily practice ·       How labyrinth design supports mindfulness and trauma healing ·       Why leaders and clinicians must keep investing in education ·       What it means to lead from humility and lived experience   Key Moments ·       02:44 – Brian's path into behavioral health through peer recovery ·       06:14 – Growing up around Truman Capote and lessons from addiction ·       13:17 – Turning personal loss into purpose ·       18:34 – The role of education and mentorship in longevity ·       27:54 – Breaking generational trauma through story and safety ·       34:50 – What spiritual repair really looks like ·       42:06 – The power of labyrinth work and ceremony ·       59:26 – From proximity to purpose: Brian's advice for leaders   Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Brian O'Shea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-o-shea-/ | https://brianosheacoaching.com Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com Compassion Fatigue: https://driftwoodrecovery.com/blog/navigating-compassion-fatigue-as-a-healthcare-worker  International Recovery Institute: https://internationalrecoveryinstitute.net/about-iri/ 

Ben Seymour, Partner at Southworth Associates, joins us to share lessons from 25 years in behavioral health. Starting as a technician in 1999, Ben became a counselor, interventionist, program founder, and now oversees compliance monitoring for professionals such as physicians, nurses, and lawyers. In this conversation, Ben traces his personal recovery journey, the influence of mentors like Arlene Rosen and John Southworth, and how intervention has shifted from quick-turn models to long-term, clinically sophisticated processes. He highlights the ethical discernment needed to match families with the right programs, the evolving balance between admissions and clinical teams, and why sales and motivational interviewing are two sides of the same coin. What You'll Learn Why long-term treatment engagement creates stronger recovery outcomes How intervention models evolved to address co-occurring mental health The ethical guardrails interventionists must honor when choosing cases How admissions and clinical staff can better collaborate Why sales is simply "selling change" in behavioral health How treatment programs must integrate marketing and ethics to stay viable Key Moments 01:14 – Ben's start in recovery and first role as a technician 05:13 – Learning intervention alongside pioneers in the field 07:05 – Building trust and learning from John Southworth 10:10 – How intervention models evolved to address mental health 17:04 – The ethics of program referrals and narrowing choices for families 26:11 – Why admissions is an intervention 30:34 – The critical role of marketing in treatment survival Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner | https://snapshotinteractive.com Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Connect with Ben Seymour: https://www.linkedin.com/in/addictionservicesbenseymour | https://www.southworthassociates.net Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com

In this episode of MasterMinded, hosts Jeff Skillen and Mark Scrivner dig deep into what makes strategic planning actually work. They unpack how to avoid the all-too-common pitfalls of strategy sessions that feel like a waste of time, and instead show how leaders can turn planning into a sustainable, energizing process. From simplifying frameworks to building accountability cadences, Jeff and Mark share practical insights you can put into practice immediately.  Timestamps:  01:00 – Why strategy sessions don't have to be a slog  02:30 – Shifting from checklist planning to culture-building  05:00 – The importance of frameworks and facilitation  08:20 – Why leaders should participate, not just facilitate  12:50 – Focusing on 3–5 objectives for clarity and impact  18:10 – Creating execution cadences that drive follow-through  27:30 – Thinking bigger: revenue goals and mindset shifts  33:15 – Why even small teams need strategic planning  39:20 – Best practices for offsite and pre-work prep  49:00 – Making planning engaging with themes and culture  55:00 – Execution, accountability, and unlocking potential    What You'll Learn in This Episode  Why strategic planning fails when treated as a checklist — and how to shift it into culture.  How to simplify planning down to 3–5 clear, measurable objectives.  Why outside facilitation or frameworks help leaders get more from their teams.  How cadence and accountability transform planning into execution.  Practical ways to engage your team with pre-work, themes, and celebrations that sustain momentum.    Learn More & Connect  Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/masterminded   Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen  | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com  Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner  | https://snapshotinteractive.com   Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper  | https://www.neveroutmatched.com   Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com  

How can behavioral health programs set themselves apart while staying compliant and connected to policy shifts? In this episode, Jeff and Lee sit down with Nikki Soda, Executive Director of Sodas Consulting, to explore the intersection of advocacy, compliance, and sustainable growth in treatment. Nikki shares lessons from her years with NAATP and TPAS, insights from visiting 100+ treatment centers nationwide, and her perspective on what truly defines a high-quality program. From the realities of LegitScript to the importance of payor alignment and local politics, Nikki offers practical guidance leaders can act on immediately. Timestamps: 01:02 – Nikki's path into advocacy and her MS in Addiction Policy 04:35 – What separates great treatment programs from average ones 09:06 – Building a blueprint for treatment center excellence 11:03 – Compliance officers and the value of proactive systems 13:06 – The challenges and shortcomings of LegitScript 20:20 – Innovations in research and treatment (GLP-1 medications, university partnerships) 23:41 – Staying relevant to payors through UR, compliance, and outcomes 28:10 – Why local politics matter more than most programs realize What You'll Learn in This Episode How treatment centers can stand out by focusing on leadership, culture, and evidence-based outcomes. Why compliance officers and utilization review staff are critical for staying prepared and payor-aligned. Nikki's candid take on LegitScript, its shortcomings, and how providers can push for reform. Innovative trends in behavioral health, from GLP-1s use in treatment to university research partnerships. Practical strategies for building stronger advocacy and political relationships at the local and state level.   Learn More & Connect Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Connect with Nikki Soda: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikki-soda/ https://sodasconsulting.com/  Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com

What does it take to stay "never outmatched" as a leader in today's behavioral health landscape? Episode Overview: In this episode of MasterMined, hosts Mark Scrivner and Jeff Skillen flip the mic to their co-host, Lee Pepper, as he steps into the spotlight to share insights from his new book, Never Outmatched. Lee draws from his experiences as a strategist, executive, and coach to unpack what it means to lead with resilience, clarity, and purpose in the fast-changing world of behavioral health. For executives and entrepreneurs in behavioral health, this conversation is both practical and inspiring. Lee's lessons bridge personal development and organizational leadership, offering a roadmap for building culture, navigating uncertainty, and driving sustainable growth.   What You'll Learn: Why resilience is the defining trait of great leaders Lessons from Lee's journey writing Never Outmatched How to balance courage and humility in leadership The role of culture in organizational performance Practical steps for staying grounded while scaling growth Subscribe to MasterMined for candid conversations with leaders shaping the future of behavioral health.   Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome to MasterMined 01:00 – Introducing Lee Pepper 03:20 – Why "Never Outmatched" matters for leaders 07:10 – The writing process and lessons learned 12:30 – Building resilient leadership in behavioral health 18:00 – Culture as a driver of performance 23:15 – Courage, humility, and decision-making 28:40 – Practical takeaways for executives 33:00 – Final reflections from Lee   Learn More & Connect: Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined  Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner | https://snapshotinteractive.com  Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper | https://www.neveroutmatched.com Our Sponsor - Snapshot: https://snapshotinteractive.com #MasterMinedPodcast #BehavioralHealth #Leadership #NeverOutmatched #HealthcareLeadership

Opening Hook: From marketing to recovery tools, AI and mobile technology are transforming behavioral health — but are organizations ready to adapt? Episode Overview: In this episode of MasterMined, hosts Mark Scrivner, Jeff Skillen, and Lee Pepper sit down with Vincent Phamvan, founder of Vyten and a three-time CMO who has helped brands like Vans, Allbirds, and Calendly scale smart. Vincent shares how mobile apps and AI are showing up across the behavioral health landscape, from patient engagement to marketing automation, and what leaders should know to implement them responsibly. For behavioral health executives and marketers, this episode offers a clear look at the promise and pitfalls of new technologies. Vincent explains how to balance innovation with compliance, where mobile apps create real value, and why AI will only be as effective as the people and processes behind it. What You'll Learn: How mobile apps are transforming patient engagement in behavioral health. Practical ways AI is being used in marketing and operations. The risks and compliance challenges leaders must navigate. Why culture and strategy matter more than the tools themselves. How to prepare your organization for the next wave of health tech. Subscribe to MasterMined for candid, practical conversations with leaders shaping the business of behavioral health. Learn More & Connect: Show Notes + Resources: https://snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined Snapshot Interactive: https://snapshotinteractive.com Connect with Mark Scrivner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner Connect with Jeff Skillen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffskillen Connect with Lee Pepper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper Connect with Vincent Phamvan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentphamvan Hashtags: #MasterMinedPodcast #BehavioralHealth #HealthTech #AI #MobileApps #HealthcareInnovation

What really makes or breaks an electronic medical record (EMR) implementation? It's not the tech—it's the culture and process behind it. In this episode of MasterMined, Mark Scrivner, Jeff Skillen, and Lee Pepper sit down with Shawn Manis, former CIO of North Point Recovery and Meadows Behavioral Health. Known as a "culture-driven operator and financial waste assassin," Shawn shares practical strategies for evaluating, selecting, and integrating EMRs without torching your team's morale. If you're leading a behavioral health organization—or planning your next tech investment—this episode unpacks the real-world lessons CIOs rarely share: why "plug and play" is a myth, how culture eats technology for breakfast, and what leaders must measure to see true ROI. What You'll Learn: Why processes—not platforms—determine EMR success The hidden costs of "plug and play" thinking How to get buy-in across departments (and why clinical teams can't be left out) The 6-month ROI window and key indicators to track How AI and automation are shaping the future of health IT Don't miss this deep dive into the intersection of culture, process, and technology. Subscribe to MasterMined today for more candid conversations on scaling behavioral health businesses. Learn More & Connect: Snapshot Interactive: https://snapshotinteractive.com Connect with the Hosts: Mark Scrivner on LinkedIn Jeff Skillen on LinkedIn Lee Pepper on LinkedIn Guest: Shawn Manis on LinkedIn Subscribe to the MasterMined YouTube Playlist Join the MasterMined Newsletter: Sign up here

Why does behavioral health billing feel like a constant battle? In this episode of MasterMined, we sit down with Patrick Dunn, Chief Strategy Officer at Hansei Solutions, to unpack the complexities of payer relationships, revenue cycle management, and why billing smarter—not harder—can transform your organization's future. Patrick brings decades of experience as a clinician, executive, and strategist, offering a rare inside look at how providers and payers can stop playing cat-and-mouse and start building partnerships that work. From tackling audits and pay-to-patient nightmares to exploring how AI is reshaping documentation, this candid conversation gives leaders the practical tools to survive and thrive in payer land. Why it matters: If you're leading or scaling a behavioral health business, understanding how to navigate billing, audits, and payers isn't just finance—it's survival. Patrick's insights show how to turn compliance into strategy and how providers can win by preparing, partnering, and pushing for parity. What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why payer relationships are shifting—and how providers can respond How to prepare your organization for audits before they happen The real impact of pay-to-patient policies and what legislation is changing How AI and automation are transforming revenue cycle management Why data, documentation, and compliance are now growth strategies Subscribe to MasterMined for more episodes that balance care and commerce in behavioral health. Learn More & Connect: Show notes + resources: SnapshotInteractive.com/mastermined Snapshot Interactive: snapshotinteractive.com Connect with the Guest Patrick Dunn: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-dunn-63b75b187/  Company | https://hanseisolutions.com/  Connect with the Hosts: Mark Scrivner: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner/  Company | https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/ Organization | https://creativeassembly.agency/  Jeff Skillen: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-skillen-199507/ Company | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com/   

When is the right time to call an investment banker? And what exactly can they do for your behavioral health business? In this episode of MasterMined, Mark Scrivner and Jeff Skillen sit down with L.A. Galyon, Managing Director at Brentwood Capital Advisors, to explore the often-misunderstood world of mergers, acquisitions, and capital raises in behavioral health. Drawing on years of advising founder-led organizations and private equity-backed platforms, L.A. shares his journey into investment banking, why timing matters, and how the right approach can maximize value for owners. Whether you're years away from selling or actively preparing for a transaction, this conversation delivers candid insights on market dynamics, common missteps, and how to position your business for the best outcome. What You'll Learn When and why to bring in an investment banker. How to prepare your behavioral health company for a sale. The current state of the M&A market in behavioral health. Common mistakes owners make in transaction planning. The value of starting conversations before you think you're ready. Subscribe to MasterMined and never miss an episode on behavioral health business strategy, growth, and leadership. Learn More & Connect Connect with the Guest:   L.A. Galyon:  LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/l-a-galyon-88244321/  Company | https://www.brentwoodcap.com/    Connect with the Hosts   Mark Scrivner: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner/  Company | https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/ Organization | https://creativeassembly.agency/    Jeff Skillen: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-skillen-199507/ Company | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com/   

Digital ads and SEO might get all the hype — but if your social media game is weak, you're leaving admissions on the table. In this episode of MasterMined, hosts Mark Scrivner, Jeff Skillen, and Lee Pepper unpack how behavioral health providers can turn social media into a true admissions driver — not just a branding checkbox. From audience targeting to content cadence, they break down what works, what doesn't, and how to align your social strategy with your admissions process. If you're running paid campaigns and optimizing your website but ignoring social, you're missing a key lever for trust, engagement, and conversion. This episode will help you build a social strategy that drives measurable results. What You'll Learn: Why ignoring social media limits your admissions potential How to integrate social strategy with your marketing and admissions funnel Content types that build trust with potential clients and families The importance of consistency and authenticity in posting How to track and measure social's real business impact Subscribe to MasterMined and never miss a conversation that helps you grow your behavioral health business.   Learn More & Connect:   Mark Scrivner: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner/  Company | https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/   Lee Pepper: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper/  Company | https://www.peprallygroup.com/   Jeff Skillen:  LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-skillen-199507/ Company | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com/ 

Your reputation isn't just about how you're seen — it's the foundation of your ability to serve. In this episode of MasterMined, New York Times bestselling author and Brand Builders Group co-founder Rory Vaden joins Mark Scrivner, Jeff Skillen, and Lee Pepper to unpack why "reputation precedes revenue" and how behavioral health leaders can build trust through authentic personal branding. Rory shares insights from his "results × reach = reputation" formula, real-world examples, and strategies for showing up consistently without feeling self-promotional. In high-trust industries like behavioral health, visibility is not vanity — it's a responsibility. By elevating the personal brands of your leaders and clinicians, you can deepen trust, attract more of the right patients, and strengthen your mission. What You'll Learn: How the "results × reach = reputation" formula can grow your influence Why personal branding is essential in behavioral health leadership How to reframe visibility from ego to service The role of storytelling in building lasting trust Practical ways to "automate trust" at scale Subscribe to MasterMined for more conversations that help behavioral health leaders balance care and commerce with confidence.   Learn More & Connect: Visit Snapshot: https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined  Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/snapshot-agency/    Connect with the Guest:   Rory Vaden:  LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/roryvaden/  Company | https://brandbuildersgroup.com/  Free Audio Book: https://wealthyandwellknown.com/audiobook-mastermined/    Connect with the Hosts   Mark Scrivner: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner/  Company | https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/ Organization | https://creativeassembly.agency/    Lee Pepper:  LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper/  Company | https://www.peprallygroup.com/ 

What really drives success in behavioral health — brilliant clinicians or bulletproof systems? Drew Rothermel, CEO of Defining Wellness, has led some of the most respected treatment centers in the country, and his answer might surprise you. In this candid conversation, Drew joins hosts Mark Scrivner and Jeff Skillen to break down the evolution of the behavioral health industry over the past two decades — from pre-Affordable Care Act to the private equity era. He shares hard-earned lessons on building organizations that last, leading with integrity, and making strategic marketing calls when the stakes are high. Whether you're running a program, working in the field, or planning to launch something new, Drew's perspective will challenge assumptions about what it takes to truly scale behavioral health services. You'll walk away with a clear understanding of why operational systems — not just great clinical talent — are the key to long-term impact and growth. What You'll Learn: Why systems, not individual stars, are the real driver of sustained recovery outcomes. The evolution of behavioral health business models from cash pay to in-network care. The differences — and tradeoffs — between nonprofit and for-profit structures. How CEOs should evaluate and align marketing with organizational goals. Practical strategies for keeping all departments aligned and focused on the mission. If you're serious about growing and sustaining a behavioral health organization, this episode is a must-listen. Subscribe to MasterMined wherever you listen to podcasts so you never miss an industry-shaping conversation.   Learn More & Connect: Visit Snapshot: https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/mastermined  Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/snapshot-agency/  Connect with the Guest:   Drew Rothermel:  LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-rothermel-b-s-m-b-a-j-d-b22991a/ Company | https://definingwellness.com/    Connect with the Hosts   Mark Scrivner: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/markscrivner/  Company | https://www.snapshotinteractive.com/ Organization | https://creativeassembly.agency/    Jeff Skillen: LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-skillen-199507/ Company | https://www.skillsetenterprises.com/