Mixed Up

Welcome to Mixed Up, a podcast for mixed people everywhere and for anyone looking into a deeper insight on race and identity. Hosted by sustainability consultant and creative director Emma Slade Edmondson, and Nicole Ocran, writer and co-founder of The Creator Union. The show is about straddling two worlds and multiple identities. Now more than ever, it feels like people of mixed heritage are seeking out their space to talk about their lived experiences. But despite searching, we could find very little to relate to. We decided to make something we would have appreciated hearing. Music by: Hagan

You don’t know The Half of It

The one where we talk about the book. Emma and Nicole are joined by Isabella Silvers, journalist and founder of Mixed Messages to discuss the release of their book, The Half of It. This time, Izzy interviews Emma and Nicole on how they got started, the book writing process, and themes from the book - history of mixed people from across the globe, understanding the root of mixed race stereotypes, childhood and forming identity, interracial relationships and dating, fetishisation, adoption, hair, beauty standards, and why we need to examine the phrase ‘white passing’. Buy our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Isabella Silvers: https://www.instagram.com/izzymks/ Mixed Messages: https://www.instagram.com/mixedmessagesnewsletter/ Mixed Messages Newsletter: https://mixedmessages.substack.com/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com

07-03
56:02

The Halfie Project on changing attitudes towards mixed Koreans, uncovering key moments in mixed history and the connotations of language

The one where we collect markers to flag our identities. Nicole is solo this week speaking with Becky White, creator and co-host of The Halfie Project, a platform and community that explores mixed Korean subcultures and identity. The Halfie Project kindly contributed to our book, The Half of It. They discuss their relationship with language, the history of mixed Koreans and the diaspora, how we are seen differently depending on our location, and how attitudes towards mixed Koreans have changed over time. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC The Halfie Project: https://www.instagram.com/thehalfieproject/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com

06-26
01:09:17

Farzana Nayani on raising multi heritage children, why The Talk is important, and how to cultivate belonging

The one where we find the language to talk about our experience. Emma and Nicole speak to Farzana Nayani, author of Raising Multiracial Children: Tools for Nurturing Identity in a Racialized World. Farzana is Filipina-Pakistani and is a diversity, equity and inclusion specialist in race, unconscious bias, culture and identity. She has been working with schools and within corporate environments for many years. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0up https://www.instagram.com/farzananayani https://www.instagram.com/multiracialmatters Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com

06-19
01:08:59

Mikaela Loach on how hope for the future lies in a completely transformed world that is within our reach

The one where we talk about tackling the climate crisis with an awareness of social injustice Emma and Nicole speak to Mikaela Loach, climate justice activist, campaigner and author about coming from two cultures that have a very different responsibility around the climate crisis. They discuss atmospheric colonialism, the moment she took the government to court and how we can look to our ancestors for the fortitude to keep pushing for a better world. Her book, It's Not That Radical, is available now. This episode is brought to you by Uncommon Wines. Thank you to the Groovy House for hosting us! Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0up Mikaela Loach: https://www.instagram.com/mikaelaloach Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

06-12
01:01:36

Michael Caines on being one of the few Black Michelin star chefs in the world, how food connects us to culture, and working in predominantly white environments

The one where the cream rises to the top Emma and Nicole speak to Michael Caines, is a two-Michelin star awarded chefs and one of six Black Michelin star chefs in the world. Born in Exeter, Michael was adopted into a white family at a young age and his love of cooking lead him to apprentice under Raymond Blanc, and at the age of 25 a car accident lead to him losing his right arm. He discusses growing up in a white family and predominantely white environments, working in fast-paced and highly competitive environments, relearning his skills after losing an arm, and how food connects us to culture. Michael is featured in Lucas Fothergill's Everyone Everywhere: Mixed Race Family Stories, looking into a hundred years of mixed British history, published by Unbounders. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Michael Caines: https://www.instagram.com/macaines/  Lucas Fothgergill: https://twitter.com/lucasfothergill  Everyone Everywhere: https://unbound.com/books/everyone-everywhere Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

06-05
01:20:28

Why we need to re-examine the phrase white passing: Becca Dudley on flying the flag for reggae and having your authenticity questioned

The one where they expect you to play Britney Spears because they think you're a white girl  Emma and Nicole speak to Becca Dudley, a DJ and TV presenter who has been in the music industry for over a decade. Becca has Jamaican, British and German heritage, and set up the platform Deadly to showcase the best of reggae, dancehall and grime, and to shine a light up-and-coming artists. They discuss being misidentified, having your authenticity questioned, imposter syndrome, coming out online to different communities and the fear of being labelled a 'culture vulture'. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Becca D: https://www.instagram.com/beccadudley/ Deadly Official: https://www.instagram.com/deadlyofficial/  Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

05-29
01:16:21

All my friends are white - how our authentic selves are shaped by location and the people around us

Emma and Nicole speak to Hanako Footman, actor and author of her debut novel, Mongrel, following the lives of three women, Mei, Yuki and Haruka "revealing a tangled web of desire, isolation, belonging and ultimately, hope." Hanako is British-Japanese and has appeared in ITV's The Town, BBC Two's Defending the Guilty, and Netflix's The Crown. They discuss growing up in predominantly white environments, what it means to be mixed Asian, the casting couch as a mixed person, how we hold on to our identity when we lose a parent and why we hate the phrase 'white passing'. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Hanako Footman: https://www.instagram.com/hanakofootman/  Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

05-22
01:24:55

LIVE: Maggi in your shepherd's pie - how food and storytelling go hand in hand

The one where we trace pepper across the globe  In this week's live episode, Emma and Nicole speak to writer, journalist, poet and academic, Dr Anna Sulan Masing. Her work centres around identity, race and gender and looks to decolonise the cultural spaces we live in, particularly within food. They discuss the relationship between food and searching for 'home', how identity changes when location changes, and how perceptions and stereotypes around East and Southeast Asians have changed over time. Many thanks to Spiritland for hosting us for the evening! Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Dr Anna Sulan Masing: https://www.instagram.com/annasulan Ana de Costa: https://www.instagram.com/_lotsofbutter/  Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

05-15
30:13

Everybody has a hair journey: can we retire the hair typing chart yet?

The one where we finally sit down as Black and mixed race women to talk about our hair This week Emma and Nicole sit down with Paige Lewin (host of Texture Talks) and multihyphanete creative, Oneness Sankara, to decide if it's time to scrap the hair texture chart. They find out how we can talk to each other properly as Black and mixed women about our hair knowing that the struggles are different, but they're there. They also dig into expectations about "who has it worse" and dissect the myth on how "difficult" it is to have Black hair. This episode is in collaboration with Texture Talks hosted by Paige Lewin, head there for part 2! Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Texture Talks: https://www.instagram.com/texturetalksuk/  Oneness: https://www.instagram.com/thequantumcreative/  Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

05-08
56:34

Dating apps are modern day segregation: a look into how the algorithms keep us apart

The one where Hinge needs to drop their location Emma and Nicole speak to Apryl Williams, an assistant professor of communication and digital studies at the University of Michigan, senior fellow in Trustworthy AI at the Mozilla Foundation, and faculty associate at Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society. She’s the author of Not My Type: Automating Sexual Racism in Online Dating. They discuss Apryl's research into about dating app inequality and sexual racism in online dating and how prejudice and bias gets baked into modern day dating culture through algorithms and AI. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Apryl's Twitter: https://twitter.com/AprylW  Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

05-01
51:47

Mel B on idenitfying as mixed, surviving abuse, and getting her Girl Power back

The one where we meet an actual Spice Girl Emma and Nicole are joined by Mel B to discuss her deeply open and vulnerable memoir, Brutally Honest. She shares with how emotional abuse is something that we are all closely linked to as women. She speaks candidly on motherhood, surviving abuse and PTSD, and recovery through to finding joy. Thank you to art'otel London Battersea Power Station for hosting us! https://artotellondonbattersea.com/ Mel B's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialmelb  Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com 

04-23
36:52

BONUS EPISODE: South Africa, classification and why Coloured Lives Matter

The one where people need to accept that if Tyla says she’s coloured, it is what it is Emma and Nicole speak to authors of Coloured: How Classification Became Culture, Tessa Dooms and Lynsey Chutel, as well as digital creator Zeena Edwards and presenter Carissa Cupido. They discuss South Africa's history of apartheid and classifcation, its impact on the country, language and its evolution, and the forging of a proud and vibrant culture. Pre-order our book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com/

04-17
01:13:20

LIVE: Melissa Hemsley on how food feeds us on every level, secret comfort foods, and how we can't all eat the same

The one where we talk weird food rules Emma and Nicole sit down at a live recording at Soho House with chef, best-selling author and sustainability champion Melissa Hemlsey to discuss how the industry shapes how our attitudes towards certain foods, food and cookery trends, her feel good food philosophy.  Melissa is the author of five best-selling cookbooks including Feel Good, Eat Happy and Eat Green. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Melissa Hemsley: https://www.instagram.com/melissa.hemsley/  Feel Good: http://bit.ly/48a4hHp

02-07
49:22

Emma Dabiri: an exploration of beauty, power, and capitalist systems

The one where 'our judgment of other women is a reflection of the harshness with which we treat ourselves' Emma and Nicole speak with Sunday Times best-selling author, academic and broadcaster Emma Dabiri on her new book, Disobedient Bodies: Reclaim Your Unruly Beauty. They discuss the history of beauty, convention and beauty constructs and its links to control, patriarchy and capitalism.  Emma Dabiri is also the author of Don't Touch My Hair and What White People Can Do Next. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Emma Dabiri: https://www.instagram.com/emmadabiri/ Disobedient Bodies: https://shorturl.at/kpuyT 

11-15
47:02

Tom Verica on the creation of the Queen Charlotte universe, power in rejecting institutions and interracial relationships on screen

The one where  *Note:  this episode was recorded in June before the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes were announced* Emma and Nicole speak to Tom Verica, the director of Queen Charlotte, one of the most popular Netflix shows to date. He is currently the head of creative production for Shondaland and has an extensive career on stage and screen as actor, director and executive producer.  We dive into the secrets of the Bridgerton universe's success, "The Great Experiment," the importance of collaboration, and the portrayal of interracial relationships on screen. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Tom's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tomverica

11-08
01:15:14

Lavinya Stennett on the resistance, disengagement and lack of interest in Black lives since 2020

The one where there is a fundamental need for a Black Curriculum The theme for this year's Black History Month is Saluting Your Sisters, and this week Emma and Nicole are joined Lavinya Stennett is a writer, author, educator and CEO of The Black Curriculum, which is a social enterprise whose mission is to deliver Black British history in schools throughout the UK and empower young Black students through education. Her first book, Omitted: The Untold Black History Lessons We Need to Change the Future is out next year. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Lavinya's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gottabelavin_ya The Black Curriculum: https://theblackcurriculum.com/ Omitted: https://www.waterstones.com/book/omitted/lavinya-stennett/9780008508166 

11-01
45:18

Kit de Waal on how others' perception of her identity has no bearing on her reality

The one where you put the key in the door and you're home The theme for this year's Black History Month is Salute Your Sisters, and this week Emma and Nicole are joined by the highly celebrated Kit de Waal for Mixed Up Book Club. Kit's critically acclaimed novel, My Name is Leon, about a mixed-race, nine-year-old boy who ends up in care in the 1980s was recently adapted for screen. Her memoir, Without Warning and Only Sometimes is about growing up poor in between three worlds, Irish, Caribbean and British in 1960s Birmingham. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Kit de Waal's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kitdewaal  Kit de Wall's Twitter: https://twitter.com/kitdewaal 

10-25
51:21

Black women should be SEEN, HEARD and LOVED with Kelechi Okafor

The one where it looks like everybody has 'Allychip' fatigue The theme for this year's Black History Month is Salute Your Sisters, and this week Emma and Nicole can't help but salute the original babygirl, Kelechi Okafor - author, actress and public speaker. Her debut book Edge of Here aims to bring Black women a sense of hope and permission to yearn. We discuss the themes in the book including ‘allyship’ as a cautionary tale and unconventional love. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast  Kelechi's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kelechnekoff Edge of Here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/edge-of-here/kelechi-okafor/9781398712997 

10-18
59:57

Black History Month (replay): Lenora Crichlow on acting, activism and how the movement is generational

The one where we talk to a Black British icon born of a Black British icon REPLAY: This Black History Month, Emma and Nicole speak to actress Lenora Crichlow - a Black British icon herself and daughter of Black British icon Frank Crichlow, owner of the Mangrove and one of the Mangrove 9. You may have recently connected with Frank’s story via Steve McQueen Small Axe series.  Lenora spoke about growing up Mixed and Black in the UK, about acting and activism, about the love story of her mum and dad and about finally being able to stop asking the world - ‘Black or white - am I ok? Am I enough? It’s not their responsibility anymore.’   Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast    Culture Mix: #AZNxBLM: https://www.kuow.org/stories/black-and-asian-solidarity-how-20-artists-explored-america-s-complicated-relationship-with-race Naija Love Stories by Ola Awonubi

10-11
01:09:20

The story of the Black Seminoles (the Freedmen) - my ancestors, my people - by Caitlin Bellah Cudjo

The one where you're descendant from escaped enslaved Africans who joined forces with the Seminoles in the 1700s Emma and Nicole speak to Caitlin Bellah, a photographer and artist who shares the story of her linage and how she was inspired to investigate it by this very podcast. She is a descendant of the Freedmen who are mostly blood descendants of the Seminole people, free Africans, and escaped former enslaved people who allied with Seminole groups in Spanish Florida in the 1700s. Many have Seminole lineage, but due to the stigma of having mixed origin, they have often been categorised as former slaves or freedmen in the past. Cailtin shares the investigation into her past and how this drives her art and sense of self, but also the challenges personally and professionally. Preorder our book The Half Of It: https://amzn.to/3rDq1qo Our website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mixeduppodcast Our Instagram: https://instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Caitlin's IG: https://www.instagram.com/caitlinbellah Caitlin's website: http://caitlinbellah.squarespace.com/ 

10-04
01:18:45

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