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Mark Henkel is the National Polygamy Advocate ™, presenting polygamy to the public for over 20 years to show why your own values compel you to repeal all Big Government Marriage Control laws that anti-Constitutionally ban UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
In consideration for his participation in all media interviews, all such interviews were conducted under the irrevocable terms and conditions that Mark Henkel retained and retains full and complete rights to broadcast elsewhere any of such interviews on any media in which he participated.
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102 Episodes
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bulldog Live on The Pulse, WTPL 107.7 FM, with host Brian Tilton, in Manchester, New Hampshire, on June 10, 2009.  A week earlier, the New Hampshire Governor had signed a then-new same sex marriage bill into law - one of the first few States to do so (following after Maine doing so the month before). The non-liberal host asked Mark Henkel to explain the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate."  After explaining that solution, Mark Henkel then said, "Conservatives are going to continue to lose the same sex marriage debate and then finally they're going to come home to true conservative limited government values."  He explained how anti-polygamy is the real slippery slope that led to supporters of same sex marriage copying that same approach of using big government to re-define marriage too.  The host was positive, was professional, and found himself enjoying the rational arguments in the discussion.  At the end, the host declared how "Newsweek quoted (Mark Henkel) as saying, 'If Heather can have 2 mommies, why can't she have 2 mommies and a daddy?'"  Then the host chuckled, sighed, and said, "Yeah... Exactly." --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on the "OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan" television show with hosts Lisa Bloom and Vinnie Politan, on Court TV (the predecessor to TruTV), on Feburary 14, 2007, to discuss the trial of Arizona v. Bateman.  The interview followed the playing of actual testimony of the trial, directly involving members of the FLDS cult led led by criminal Warren Jeffs.  Mark Henkel adamantly clarified how that trial and that cult have nothing to with and do not represent healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, around the country.  Jeffrey Toobin, Senior Legal Analyst at CNN, filled-in for absent co-host Vinnie Politan. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elise Soukup, for Newsweek magazine, on March 2, 2006, for an article later published in the March 20, 2006, issue, titled, "Polygamists, Unite!"  This 90-minute interview provided a comprehensive education of the principles and history of Christian Polygamy, the standard of Love-not-Force, the movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and how such various other forms of polygamy are each different from the doctrines and backgrounds of Mormon Poygamy.  Using his "sunny day vs rainy day" analogy, Mark Henkel detailed how the word, "polygamy," is a neutral noun that will have different premises, paradigms, and presuppositions based on the different adjectives that modify it - whether Christian Polygamy, Jewish Polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, Mormon Polygamy, etc.  Mark Henkel also elaborated on the  three modern-day  US Supreme Court decisions that make anti-polygamy anti-constitutional, and he also provided the history of the 1878 "Reynolds v. United States" anti-polygamy decision that was the "real slippery slope" that led to -and would cause- the legalization of same sex marriage (which did happen later in 2015). He said in this 2006 interview that, after same sex marriage does get legalized, conservatives should re-discover their conservative values of limited government and thereby embrace the polygamists' solution to end the marriage debate. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kim Bonney, for The 700 Club, on CBN, the Christian Broadcasting Network, in Washington DC, on June 28, 2005, for a report that was broadcast on August 16, 2005, titled, "Polygamy: The Next 'Right' to be Legalized?"   The report also aired on other networks on which The 700 Club was being broadcast, including TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and the cable network, Family Channel.   The show had flown Mark Henkel in from Maine to do this entire interview on video at their Washingon, DC studios.  This interview was the source that made history.  In the August 16, 2005, airing of the segment, the show reported,  "Polygamy has a range of defenders, including  evangelical Christians. Mark Henkel is founder of the Christian polygamy  organization, He says Christian polygamists believe  husbands are called to love their wives, as Christ loved the churches,  according to Scripture.."  That was the first time that the two words "Christian" and "polygamy" were no longer misperceived as a "contradiction in terms" and  the first time that the movement itself was recognized as indeed being actual Christians, including evangelical Christians.  The aired report included a number of other key quotes from this historic interview, as well.  The woman reporter who conducted the interview was completely professional, polite, pleasant, and positive throughout the interview.  For other listeners who do not follow or believe in the Christian faith, this interview also provides powerful lessons on what and how to use the commonplace terms & rhetoric that will (and do!) persuade Christians to support the liberty and de-criminalization of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  For researchers, this is the interview that caused history to be made! --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Rasheed Oluwa, for The Poughkeepsie Journal, in Poughkeepsie, New York, on April 16, 2003, for an article published on April 28, 2003, titled, "In marriage, three's a crowd -- and a crime." That article was written for a "Crime Beat" section of the newspaper, regarding a local story of a man (who had not yet divorced one wife before marrying another) who had been charged with bigamy in New York.  In this educational interview, Mark Henkel defined bigamy (as a a legal term for all "Secondary" marriages under law) vs. polygamy, secret or "dishonest bigamy" (unconsented fraud) vs. "honest polygamy" (consented choice), Christian Polygamy vs. Mormon Polygamy, the deep pschyological challenge for people when they first learn about unrelated consenting adult polygamy, how people often commit acts of "insanity to retain their sanity" as illustrated via a lesson-example from George Orwell's book, "1984", how normal polygamists always and adamantly opposed the criminals of Tom Green and the kidnappers of  Elizabeth Smart in Utah, how the media make money by only reporting sensationalism and not the regular stories of normal polygamists not committing crimes, and many more argumentations too.  (For historical reference, this interview took place before the Lawrence v. Texas decision by the US Supreme Court, later that year, on June 26, 2003.) As this interview was so comprehensive, the reporter himself even responded a number of separate times, by saying, "Cool!" --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Waking Up with the Wolf, on WPYX 106.5 FM, in Albany, New York, on January 18, 2010.  The show was hosted by Bob “Wolf” Wohlfeld along with co-hosts named as Lovee, Ellen, and Mickey.  This somewhat jovial interview addresses many of the common quesitons about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Boston Herald by Jessica Heslam, in Boston, Massachusetts, on May 9, 2006.  The new fictional TV show called, "Big Love," had been successfully running on HBO during the previous weeks - so successfully that the network had then reported its authorization to begin recording for a second season.  The interview with this reporter seemed to be positive.  She asked genuinely good questions. "Is the show an accurate account of polygamy?"  "What myths does it dispel?"  "Has the show done more harm than good, or more good than harm?"  Mark Henkel provided numerous insights, including how the modern LDS try to get media to not accurately differentiate Mormon Polygamy from other polygamy, by removing the adjective "Mormon" so that reports sound like they are reporting about "all" polygamists in general.  Mark Henkel explained that, if the polygamy comes from (and uses) the theology (and doctrines) from the Book of Mormon (and Mormonism), then it is Mormon Polygamy no matter how much the LDS institution does not like to admit that fact.  Despite such positivity and deep education given in this interview, the eventual article, published on May 14, 2006, propagandized otherwise, titled as, "Hit show gets to dark heart of polygamy." Despite having interviewed the leading, established national expert on the topic, and using no other credible sources and anti-polygamists who only know about cult-based & Mormon Polygamy experiences, the hostile article made no differentiation.  The resulting  article only referenced Mark Henkel as "one expert" without even mentioning his name, the organization, the national movement, or the differentiation of the evarious forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The article was clearly an exactly-provable example of what would be known in punditries of the 2010s as "Fake News," and it explicitly illustrates why Mark Henkel originated in the 2000s, the term, "Manufactured News Corporations" (or, "Manufactured News outlets"), to describe how these kinds of false reports get published to continue false propaganda.  No rational listener of this interview could come to the conclusion of the resulting article. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Arizona Republic by Linda Valdez, in  Phoenix, Arizona, on July 3, 2006.  The reporter, having written previous articles about the Mormon polygamists in what Mark Henkel calls the "Mormonland bubble" of Utah/Arizona, was rather biased in her thereby thinking that "all" polygamy is supposedly associated with the crimes of the criminal cult FLDS, Warren Jeffs, and Tom Green from the previous years.  She learned much from this extensive education on many related issues. Mark Henkel definitively differentiated the difference between Mormon Polygamy vs Christian Polygamy and how other different forms of polygamy are defined by their respective applicable adjectives.  He also expained how, despite the "mainstream LDS" demands that media obey their religious institution and not use the word "Mormon" to identify Mormon Polygamy (to instead call them as the unmodifed term, "polygamist"), doing that is a false description that wrongly and misleadingly suggests that all other forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, supposedly also do whatever the crimes those media stories are reporting. Numerous arguments about polygamy in the Bible were explained.  The "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate was expained. And Mark Henkel detailed how de-criminalizing polygamy for junrelated consenting adults can pro-actively give victims of other real crimes the freedom to openly and safely report those crimes without fear that their polygamous familes could still be destroyed by law enforcement.  This hour-plus interview unquestionably provides any listener with a comprehensive education about the issues. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Al Rantel Show (with John Phillips as the fill-in host) TalkRadio 790 KABC, in Los Angeles, California, on May 12, 2009.   Days earlier, on May 6, 2009, Mark Henkel's home state of Maine had become the 5th State to formally legalize same sex marriage in law.  (NOTE: thatMaine  law was subsequently repealed by a "People's Veto" referendum vote, later in the year, on November 3, 2009.)  The show's namesake host, who had been known as a public "gay conservative," had been out, due to severe medical issues. This interview took place in the month before the namesake host formally retired altogether.   The fill-in host asked many good questions as well as some stereotypical and silly questions.  Even though Maine's then-new law had just legalized same sex marriage that week, the law still did not legalize UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel had been very familiar with that new law, as he presented a formal "Neither For Nor Against" testmony at the "Public Hearing" in Augusta, Maine, on April 22, 2009.  In this interview with the fill-in host, Mark Henkel explained that pro-polygamists do not seek legalization anyway, only de-criminlization, because government has no authority to define, license, or control the contractual arrangements of unrelated consenting adults.   Mark Henkel also addressed different practicality issues and he provided answers for callers in to the show. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on December 22, 2006.  The first 2:45 time-count of the recording includes the pre-interview setup with the show's producer who states that Mark Henkel is one of the host's favorite past guests and that that was why the host invited Mark Henkel to appear on this "Christmas Special" show.  During the main interview, the host asked many good and fun questions about the logistics of how polygamists celebrate the Christmas holidays.  This was a very fun "Christmas Special" interview indeed.  --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Ed Tyll Show, syndicated on the Starcom Radio Network, on December 30, 2013.  Earlier that year, the US Supreme Court made its decisions in the same sex marriage cases cases of Hollingsworth v. Perry and United States v. Windsor on June 26, 2013 .  Earlier from those prior two weeks, 2 landmark decisions (affecting only the State of Utah)  in the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah had been decided: Brown v. Buhman (12/13/13, decided by Judge Clark Waddoups, de-criminalizing "de facto polygamy" in Utah) and Kitchen v. Herbert (12/20/13, decided by Judge Robert Shelby, legalizing same sex marriage in Utah). To discuss the impact of these court decisions upon UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the host asked legitimate and positive questions.  Having been interviewed on this show previously, Mark Henkel's answers provided an even more comprehensive education on the issues of polygamy, marriage control, and freedom.  Having learned even that much more in this interview, the host ended up saying to Mark Henkel, "You're really good at this.  One thing polygamy needs is credibility from its spokepeople."  --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Branden Rathert, on Live Talk Radio on NewsRadio 1620 in Pensacola, Florida, on December 23, 2013, following 2 landmark decisions (affecting the State of Utah) during that prior 10 days at the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah: Brown v. Buhman (12/13/13, decided by Judge Clark Waddoups) and Kitchen v. Herbert (12/20/13, decided by Judge Robert Shelby).  The first decision had de-crininalized "de facto polygamy" (i.e., polygamous marriages without additional marriage licenses).  The second decision had determined that it was state-uncontsitutional for a Utah law to ban same sex couples from marriage.  In the latter decision, Judge Shelby declared, "The State of Utah has provided no evidence that opposite-sex marriage will be affected in any way by same-sex marriage. In the absence of such evidence, the State’s unsupported fears and speculations are insufficient to justify the State’s refusal to dignify the family relationships of its gay and lesbian citizens."  The host himself asked Mark Henkel if that precedent could also apply to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - to which Mark Henkel affirmed that it would apply indeed. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Seth Harkness for the Portland Press Herald, on December 14, 2006, as the second of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published in the December 15, 2006, edition of this local Portland, Maine, newspaper, titled, "In Maine, supporter argues for polygamy."  This was the follow-up interview to the first interview of November 29, 2006.   The reporter noted that he had since been told by leaders at Maine's Christian Civic League that their argument was that there are (supposedly) no examples of polygamy in the New Testament, that polygamy is suppposedly "only" in the Old Testament.  Mark Henkel easily refuted that by noting how Jesus self-described Himself as a polygamist n Mathew 25:1-13, something that the sinless Lord and Savior would never do if polygamy was a "sin."  At 21:33, after this second interview ended, the reporter called back that same day for last-minute details.  Mark Henkel used that calback to add one more refutation to the Christian Civic League's asserted claim, as he showedg how Paul gave a "commandment of God" in 1 Corinthians 7 that would apply to "commanding" polygamy in the New Testament. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Seth Hartkness for the Portland Press Herald, on November 29, 2006, as the first of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published in the December 15, 2006, edition of this local Portland, Maine, newspaper, titled, "In Maine, supporter argues for polygamy." The reporter had read an Associated Press (AP) article that his newspaper had published days earlier on November 24, 2006, titled, "Polygamists Say Jeffs case Paints Distorted Picture." This hour-long first inteview for the Portland Press Herald provided numerous argumentations, explaining both Christian Polygamy and UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Regarding Henkel's renowned soundbite that "Polygamy is the Next Civil Rights Battle," Henkel clarified,  "With my soundbite, oftentimes, people then suggest that we are 'riding the coattails of so-called same sex marriage.' And actually, anytime anybody ever says that, there are four letters that should be plastered on their forehead: L-I-A-R, because we are NOT riding on the coattails of the homosexuals."  Henkel explained how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution actually brings an end to the whole marriage debate.  He also provided story-examples of unidentified members of the organization, showing how some families have come together and thrive, and also showing how even civil law has been used to abuse polygamists in court only because the anti-polygamy laws are on the books. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on November 22, 2006.  This was a callback interview (from previous apppearances on the show), following the trial of Warren Jeffs, the cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints.  Opposing that cult and its leader, Mark Henkel explained how the hearing revealed that the trial was not even about polygamy.  Namely, at that time, Jeffs was only charged with forcing the arranged marriage of an unmarried 19 year young man to his own cousin who was only 14.  The host was friendly, professional, and made it adamantly clear that Mark Henkel and UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, have nothing to do with - and even outright oppose -  the real crimes connected to Jeffs and the FLDS.  As this was during the same week as Thanksgiving holiday in the US, the host made some fun final comments at the end about imagining the "holiday table" of polygamists. --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for KIFI LocalNews8 by Karole Honas on April 25, 2006, in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  Recorded as a "phoner" during the premiere season of HBO's show, Big Love, the veteran tv journalist was seeking both information and soundbites  for news "packages" that would appear over two or three nights of the local news network.  She was thoroughy fascinated to learn of the new movement of Christian Polygamy, and that it is unconnected to Mormon Polygamy.  Clarifying that, even though non-polygamous LDS do not like the "Mormon"-word being attached to Mormon Polygamists, Mark Henkel gave the soundbite, "If it's based on the Book of Mormon, it's Mormon Polygamy."  The journalist was very positive, professional, and friendly throughout the interveiw.  She even proclaimed, "I'm beginning to wonder if evangelical Christians might not be onto something. You're definitely very protective of no abuse, no children marriage, no forced-to-go brides."  As she explained how her Eastern Idaho audience was "mostly LDS," she declared, "I am personally not LDS, I'm Methodist.  Like I said, I'm 50 years old, I've gone through the feminist movement. There are arguments that you're making that make total sense to me." --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Stateline by Kavan Peterson on September 23, 2003. is a states policy focused reporting organization, founded by The Pew Charitable Group, that "uses evidence-based, nonpartisan analysis to solve today's challenges."  Conducted three months after the US Supreme Court decided the Lawrence v. Texas case. this comprehensive 53-minute interview is both historically significant and outright prescient.  To wit, Mark Henkel predicted that same sex marriage would indeed become legalized precisely BECAUSE of the arguments then being made by conservatives.  Using the commonplace rhetoric of limited government conservatism (in seeking to persuade copnservatives), and thereby referring to specifically-conservative Christian Polygamists as the "Older Brothers," Mark Henkel provided the following quote. "We're really not after legalization. We're after de-criminalization. We believe that when you go down the legalization path, you have to start defining forms of marriage. And once you start doing that, that's when you open up the door for DISCRIMINATION and all that. That's where I would say that our "Little Brothers" - many of the conservatives -  are making the mistake.  By arguing that government has authority, and in all their hysteria that government "should" be defining it ('We must have one man one woman definition!' and all that), by doing that, and THEN BY NOT SUCCEEDING, they will have GIVEN the argument to force homosexual marriage... They will have lost BECAUSE they gave that argument by saying government has the authority to define marriage in the first place."  Over the next 12 years after that quote was given in this interview, that is is exactly what happened as same sex marrriage eventually became nationally legalized via Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015.  --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for CNS News by Randy Hall on March 6, 2006, for an article, published on March 16, 2006, titled, "Polygamy Is 'Next Civil Rights Battle,' Activists Say."  The call letters, "CNS," stand for Cybercast News Service; and, it is one of the most well-known conservative-based news services, founded by L. Brent Bozell of his conservative organization, Media Research Center (MRC).   After finding Mark Henkel's well-known soundbite, "Polygamy Rights is the Next Civil Rights Battle," Staff writer and Editor Randy Hall sought to report about it.  He interviewed Mark Henkel to find out if there was a connection between that soundbite, the polygamy rights movement, and the 2003 statement from Senator Rick Santorum (about how the "right to privacy" argument in the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas case would make it unconstitutional to still ban polygamy).  What he learned was de-criminalization, the "true conservative limited government" position, the Biblical arguments, how Christian Polygamy is not the same as Mormon Polygamy, how the "liberal activist judges" of the 1878 Supreme Court concocted a nationwide marriage control precedent with Reynolds v. United States that would never survive a 10th Amendment challenge in the States, and so much more. Purposely using the exactly-targeted conservative-based commonplace terminology and rhetoric that conservatives and Christians exclusively recognize and use themselves, Mark Henkel's answers serendipitously transformed this interview into becoming one of the most comprehensive and persuasive interviews by to which to specifically and  successfully persuade conservatives and Christians about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Washington Blade by Joe Crea on December 12, 2003, for an article, published on December 26, 2003, titled, "Polygamy advocates buoyed by gay court wins (Some see sodomy, marriage opinions as helping their cause)."  That year, the US Supreme Court had decided the Lawrence v. Texas case, and the Massachusetts State Superme Court had decided the Goodridge (et al.) v. Department of Public Health case.  This newspaper is reported to be the the oldest LGBT newspaper in the United States., and the reporter wanted to find out about and report on the pre-polygamy reaction to these court cases.  The resulting article from this interview was cited by various anti-polygamists, including by the "Family Research Council" (FRC) more than a decade after the article was published. (The FRC is a Christian political organization that has always been too timid to speak directly with Mark Henkel, but has referenced his work various times. ) Mark Henkel presented the Christian & Conservative arguments, the differences between Christian Polygamy and Mormon Polygamy, and the applicability of the Court cases to UCAP Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, all while knowing that he was speaking to an LGBT audience in that time of 2003.  This interview shows how the formal Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution would simultaneously protect the rights all sides of the debate for same sex marriage.  --- Support this podcast:
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Dave Show, on 88.9FM KUCI, on October 25, 2006, hosted by David Waldram, in Irvine, Califnornia.  Over the previous 2 months, FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs, who had been on the FBI's Ten Ten Most Wanted list, had been caught, filling the news cycles with stereotypical and hostile reports supposedly "about polygamy."  The host, who also identified himself as an Interfaith Community Leader,  as well as a radio host and an independent documentary film producer, wanted to have a show discussing polygamy from an insider perspective.  The 20-minute pre-interview has also been included before the 54-minute live show itself. This interview is one of the most rhetorically-comprehensive interviews to empower students and researchers with insights into the applicable and real issues, concepts, and arguments of Christian Polygamy, of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), and of the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate.  The host expressed how much he thoroughly both enjoyed and learned from this interview.  At the end, the host declared (particularly to anyone else seeking actual legalization of same sex marriage), "To me, whatever your views and debate are,  …if you're going to fight for same gender marriages, then you should equally be in support of legalizing polygamy and any other consenting adult relationship. ...It seems like its an either-or thing."  Regarding Mark Henkel, the host positively concluded, "The fellow's got a point; he really has a point - and I thought he very, VERY articulately and accurately described his point." --- Support this podcast:
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