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Personal Injury Mastermind
Author: Chris Dreyer law firm marketing expert, Rankings.io
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Elite personal injury attorneys and leading edge marketers give you exclusive access to growth strategies for your firm. Host Chris Dreyer of Rankings.io brings his expertise in legal marketing, honed through years of work with hundreds of law firms across the country. Being at the forefront of marketing is all about understanding, which is why PIM features marketing luminaries like Seth Godin and Neil Patel. Previous marketing guests also include Rand Fishkin, Chris Do, and John Ruhlin and previous elite personal injury attorney guests include John Gomez (Gomez Trial Attorneys), Joe Fried (Fried Goldberg), and Ed Herman (Brown & Crouppen), to name but a few.
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Most PI firms handle settlement planning and lien resolution in-house, creating bottlenecks and frustration at the most critical stage of client experience. In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Jason Lazarus and Brian Adair reveal why specialized expertise in these areas doesn't just save time and money - it transforms client satisfaction and drives better reviews.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
We discuss:
Why the final settlement experience makes or breaks client reviews
How early settlement planning prevents common client care disasters
The hidden costs of in-house lien resolution (like time spent on Medicare hold)
Using expert partners to provide concierge-level client care
Turning post-settlement work from a cost center into a growth driver
Why specialized settlement knowledge prevents malpractice risks
Guest Details
Jason Lazarus is the CEO of Synergy Settlement Services, bringing insider expertise to lien resolution and settlement planning.
Jason Lazarus: LinkedIn, Website
Synergy Settlement Services: Website
Book: The Art of Settlement
Brian Adair is the founder of Adair Financial Group, specializing in comprehensive settlement planning and client care solutions.
Brian Adair: LinkedIn
Adair Financial Group: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:01 Dan's journey from trial attorney to business operations
02:07 Evolution of Morgan & Morgan's Purple Cow Committee
04:54 Building an elite referral operation
08:00 The "nuclear plan" for referral conversion
10:07 Why they refer out turndown cases
13:37 Tracking metrics and maintaining quality
16:22 Sports partnerships and marketing innovation 1
9:16 Leveraging partnerships beyond sponsorships
21:31 Community involvement and disaster response
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83. Seth Godin — Differentiation: How to Make Your Law Firm a Purple Cow
73. Neil Patel, Neil Patel — Digital A New Approach to Content and Emerging Marketing Channels
In this landmark 300th episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Dan Morgan reveals how Morgan & Morgan transformed their referral operations from a legal pad system into a $63 million revenue engine. From outbound referral optimization to groundbreaking sports partnerships, Dan shares the exact strategies that helped build one of the most recognizable law firm brands in America.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
When Dan took over Morgan & Morgan's referral operations in 2020, they were generating $15 million in referral revenue. Today, they're on track for $63 million, with projections of hitting nine figures next year. He explains how in this special keynote talk from PIMCON. Dan breaks down the systems and strategies that drove this explosive growth, including how they're converting 85% of rear-end accident referrals through their "nuclear plan" and why they're sending turndown cases to partner firms.
We discuss:
How Morgan & Morgan increased referral conversion rates from 18% to 38% with one simple change
Why they're getting 7-figure settlements on cases they initially turned down
The exact formula they use to evaluate marketing spend and determine budgets
Their "bullets before bombs" testing strategy for new marketing channels
How they're leveraging sports partnerships with UFC, WWE, and others to drive record call volume
The sweepstakes strategy that's helping them track marketing attribution
Why investing in local community presence delivers consistent ROI
Guest Details
Dan Morgan serves as head of partnerships and referral operations at Morgan & Morgan, one of America's largest personal injury law firms. Under his leadership, the firm has pioneered innovative marketing strategies and built a nationwide referral network handling over 100,000 case referrals annually.
Dan Morgan: LinkedIn, Instagram
Morgan and Morgan: Website, LinkedIn, TikTok
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:01 Dan's journey from trial attorney to business operations
02:07 Evolution of Morgan & Morgan's Purple Cow Committee
04:54 Building an elite referral operation
08:00 The "nuclear plan" for referral conversion
10:07 Why they refer out turndown cases
13:37 Tracking metrics and maintaining quality
16:22 Sports partnerships and marketing innovation 1
9:16 Leveraging partnerships beyond sponsorships
21:31 Community involvement and disaster response
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134. Darryl Isaacs, Isaacs & Isaacs — The Hammer: Insights from a Marketing Legend
104. Taly Goody, Goody Law Group — Finding PI Clients on TikTok
63. Joe Fried, Fried Goldberg LLC — How To Become An Expert And Revolutionize Your PI Niche
96. Brian Dean, Backlinko — Becoming a Linkable Source
83. Seth Godin — Differentiation: How to Make Your Law Firm a Purple Cow
73. Neil Patel, Neil Patel — Digital A New Approach to Content and Emerging Marketing Channels
Stop letting valuable cases walk out the door. In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Matt Thelen reveals how modern referral networks are transforming case sharing and creating new revenue streams for forward-thinking firms. From automated case distribution to nationwide partnerships, discover how technology is eliminating the inefficiencies that have plagued referral management for decades.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
We discuss:
Why traditional referral networks leave money on the table
How automated "waterfall" distribution gets cases to the right attorneys faster
Building merit-based partnerships beyond your immediate network
Digital tracking systems that eliminate referral management headaches
Integrating referral management with your existing case management software
Strategies for monetizing out-of-jurisdiction and practice area cases
Guest Details
Matt Thelen holds a joint JD/MBA and has taken a startup through an IPO on the New York Stock Exchange. Now he's applying that same efficiency-focused mindset to solve one of the legal industry's biggest headaches - referral management.
Matt Thelen: LinkedIn
Attorney Share: Website, LinkedIn, Instagram
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
00:51 Breaking away from old-school referral networks
02:27 The three major pain points in case sharing
05:27 From IPO to legal tech innovation
07:07 Automating case distribution with waterfalls
09:14 Integration with case management platforms
10:30 Building nationwide network effects
14:31 Future-proofing your practice through diversification
15:00 Simple pricing for maximum value
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134. Darryl Isaacs, Isaacs & Isaacs — The Hammer: Insights from a Marketing Legend
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"When I started LawHer, only 18% of law firm partners were women. Just 3 years later, it's 22% - and that's just the beginning." - Sonya Palmer. Listen to LawHer here.
From intake mastery to AI implementation, Rankings.io's VP of Operations Sonya Palmer shares the systems and strategies that actually move the needle in 2024. If you're looking to scale your firm while building a culture that attracts top talent, don't miss this special partner episode from Be That Lawyer with Steve Fritzen.
In this special partner episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, we're excited to share a powerful conversation from Be That Lawyer with Steve Fritzen featuring Sonya Palmer, VP of Operations at Rankings.io and host of the LawHer podcast. From scaling operations to empowering women in legal leadership, Sonya shares insights on building successful teams and transforming law firm culture.
We discuss:
Why diversity in leadership leads to better client service and business outcomes
How the pandemic has transformed opportunities for women in law
Practical strategies for creating content and leveraging AI in legal marketing
Building effective hiring and onboarding processes that identify top talent
Managing underperforming employees and creating accountability
The importance of establishing clear KPIs and performance metrics
Why authenticity matters more than traditional networking approaches
How to scale operations while maintaining quality and culture
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:03 Leadership Philosophy & Vision
04:41 Women in Legal Leadership
09:12 Marketing & Content Strategy
13:34 AI Tools & Implementation
15:32 Hiring & Team Building
20:36 Performance Management
24:27 Scaling Operations
28:05 Future of Legal Industry
31:00 Closing Thoughts
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Most new firms struggle for years to build a steady caseload. But what if you could shortcut that journey? KurtzReilly Law doubled their expectations every month by combining smart referral partnerships with cutting-edge tech.
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In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Austin Kurtz shares how his firm scaled rapidly by focusing on attorney referrals and operational efficiency. From AI-powered file management to strategic case selection, this is the roadmap for accelerating your firm's growth through smart partnerships and systems.
We discuss:
Referral partnerships vs. traditional marketing for new firms
Using AI and automation to handle rapid case growth
The exact tech stack for moving files faster
Strategic case selection criteria for maximum growth
Building relationships that drive consistent referrals
Balancing growth with quality representation
The future of legal tech and firm operations
Guest Details
Austin Kurtz is co-founder of a rapidly growing personal injury firm in Arizona. Known for their innovative approach to operations and marketing, they've built one of the fastest-growing referral networks in the Southwest through strategic partnerships and cutting-edge technology.
Austin Kurtz: LinkedIn, Website, Instagram
Kurtz Riley Law: Website, Instagram
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
00:32 Tech-first approach to scaling
02:12 Building elite referral partnerships
04:34 Strategic case selection
07:02 From commercial litigation to PI
09:30 Operational efficiency
10:44 The referral advantage
12:30 Future of legal tech
14:30 Arizona’s evolving legal landscape
16:00 Serving underserved communities
17:03 Culture and authenticity
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Most law firms never reach $1M in revenue, but Sasha Berson has helped countless firms double their income through data-driven marketing. We dive deep into the exact metrics and strategies needed to hit critical revenue milestones. From calculating your required lead volume to identifying untapped practice areas, Sasha shares the framework that's helped 2,000+ firms scale their practices.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, the Chief Growth Master at Grow Law Firm reveals his proven blueprint for scaling from $1M to $10M+. Learn how to leverage untapped practice areas and optimize your marketing spend for maximum ROI.
We discuss:
The precise lead volume needed to achieve revenue targets
Key challenges in scaling beyond $8M revenue
Finding profitable practice areas in competitive markets
Client acquisition costs across different case types
Search marketing fundamentals for sustainable growth
Building an effective organizational structure
Integrating sales enablement into your practice
Guest Details
Sasha Berson is the Chief Growth Master at Grow Law Firm, where he's helped over 2,000 law firms double their revenue through data-driven marketing strategies.
Sasha Berson: LinkedIn, Instagram,
Grow Law Firm: Website, Podcast
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:37 Finding Profitable Niches
04:32 Scaling to Your First Million
07:27 The Path to $10M Revenue
09:12 Search Marketing Dominance
12:03 Social Media Reality Check
13:38 Sales Enablement in Law Firms
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Most lawyers think success means looking polished and professional. This former firefighter proved them wrong. In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Ryan reveals how his early attempts at "looking like a lawyer" bombed, while raw, emotional content built him a following of 1.9 million. From getting rejected by 13 law schools to becoming a social media phenomenon, Ryan breaks down why authenticity beats credentials in modern legal marketing.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, former firefighter turned employment lawyer Ryan shares how he built a following of over 1.9 million people through education instead of advertising. Ryan found his path and revolutionized legal marketing by focusing on authentic content that serves his audience.
We discuss:
How to build trust through education instead of sales
Why practice area shouldn't limit your content strategy
The power of showing emotion and being real on camera
Why competing with big firms on their terms is a losing strategy
The metrics that actually matter for social media success
Guest Details
Ryan Stygar is a former firefighter who spent four years battling California's wildfires and serving as a desert-rescue specialist in the Ocotillo Wells region before becoming an employment lawyer. He's built an incredible following with 1.9 Million TikTok followers and 191K YouTube subscribers.
Ryan Stygar: LinkedIn, Website, Books
Centurion Trial Attorneys: Website, YouTube, Podcast, TikTok, Instagram
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
02:11 Why Ryan Left Firefighting
04:14 Starting from Zero: Early Days of Marketing
05:47 The Anti-Sell Approach: Education Over Advertising
07:03 Content Strategy: Why Practice Area Doesn't Matter
08:41 The Evolution: From Polished to Authentic Content
13:20 Organic vs Paid Growth: Strategic Approach
14:33 Building a Personal Brand vs Traditional Marketing
15:34 Don’t Box Mike Tyson: Play Him at Pickelball
16:25 The Power of Authenticity and Work-Life Balance
17:30 Closing Thoughts
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Mike Perez, founder of iLawyer Marketing, reveals groundbreaking research that challenges everything you think you know about legal marketing. His latest click study exposes why being #1 doesn't guarantee success and how some top-ranked firms are losing cases to lower-positioned competitors.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
In this data-driven episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Mike shares proprietary research showing why traditional marketing metrics mislead PI firms, and how understanding client behavior transforms marketing ROI. He reveals why some firms spending $100K+ monthly on Google Ads see exponential returns while others waste money on the same platforms.
We discuss:
The real reason some Google Ads campaigns crush it (while others fail)
How to turn data into media coverage and high-authority backlinks
Why your website is the biggest factor in securing seven-figure cases
Organic vs. paid social for social
Smart strategies for new firms entering competitive markets
Guest Details
Mike Perez, has conducted pioneering research on legal consumer behavior through iLawyer Marketing and 1.21 Interactive. His click studies and heat map analysis have revolutionized how elite firms approach digital marketing, leading to breakthrough insights about how serious clients actually choose their lawyer.
Mike Perez: LinkedIn
iLawyer Marketing: LinkedIn, Website, Instagram
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
03:15 Click Studies: How Clients Actually Choose Lawyers
05:30 The Truth About LSAs: Is the Golden Age is Over?
06:57 Put it All on Google Ads: Why Six-Figure Budgets Win (And Small Spends Fail)
09:45 Fight Fake Reviews & Spam to Boost SEO
11:42 Earned Media: Turning Data into Headlines
13:15 Designing the Perfect Website to Attract Seven-Figure Cases
15:00 The Ultimate Marketing Mix: Strategies from Startup to Empire
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When TopDog Law discovered they were overstaffed but still missing calls, they knew something had to change. In this episode, James Helm reveals how they transformed their intake from a traditional answering service into a data-driven powerhouse that's converting at elite levels.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
Your firm can live and die by intake. In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, James Helm returns to share how TopDog Law scaled their in-house intake team while improving conversion rates. From AI-powered quality control to precision scheduling, this is the blueprint for building a modern intake operation. If you're ready to move beyond basic CRM and transform your intake into a revenue engine, this episode is your roadmap.
We discuss:
The real reason most law firms miss calls (hint: it's not understaffing)
How Top Dog improved web form conversions from 25% to 29% with one change
When to choose out-of-box solutions vs. enterprise platforms like Salesforce
Using AI to flag high-value calls and monitor quality
Data-driven scheduling that eliminated overflow calls
The exact metrics that matter for measuring intake performance
Guest Details
James Helm is the founder of TopDog Law, handling thousands of calls monthly across multiple states. Under his leadership, TopDog has built one of the most sophisticated intake operations in the legal industry, combining cutting-edge technology with precision operations management.
James Helm: LinkedIn
TopDog Law: Instagram, Website, TikTok, Facebook
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
04:01 Evolution from Call Center to In-House Operations
08:24 Agent Performance & Turnover Management
13:19 Converting Web Forms vs Inbound Calls
16:42 Quality Assurance & AI Integration
22:00 Staffing & Scheduling Challenges
28:27 Tech Stack & Salesforce Implementation
30:21 CRM Solutions for Different Firm Sizes
33:43 Future of AI in Legal Intake
35:30 Outro
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Stop throwing away marketing dollars. If your PI firm is spending on ads but tracking leads in Excel, this episode is your wake-up call. Legal intake expert Yani Smith reveals why most firms are leaking cases – and exactly how to fix it.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
Your marketing budget means nothing if your intake system is broken. In this episode od Personal Injury Mastermind, Yani Smith exposes why PI firms spending millions on advertising are still losing cases to competitors. Learn the exact systems, tech stack, and team structure needed to transform your intake from a cost center into a profit machine. From scaling your team to managing referral partners, this is the playbook most firms wish they had years ago.
We discuss:
Building the right intake team structure (from 20 to 200+ cases)
Essential KPIs for measuring intake performance
Modern tech stack requirements for PI firms
Quality control systems that work for both in-house and remote teams
Referral partner management and tracking
Data-driven strategies for improving conversion rates
Guest Details
Yani Smith is the Founder & CEO of Legal Intake Pros, launched in 2023. Previously, she spent a decade optimizing intake systems for PI firms, including her role at Steinberg Law Firm where she tripled the intake department size. Her expertise in conversion optimization and business intelligence has led to the implementation of cutting-edge intake management software, refined training protocols, and robust quality control systems. At Legal Marketing Company, her clients typically see a 2.5X increase in cases within their first year.
Yani Smith: LinkedIn
Legal Intake Pros: Website, Instagram
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:12 Meet Yani Smith - Intake Team Best Practices
01:34 The Marketing Money Pit, Why Firms Struggle with Intake
04:56 Quality Control Essentials: In-House vs. Outsourced Intake
10:00 Data Transformation: How to Triple Your Intake Department
12:30 Tracking What Matters: Essential KPIs for Intake Teams
16:29 Team Structure Guide: From 20 to 200+ Cases per Month
20:28 Modern Tech Stack
23:15 Lead Docket Deep Dive - Optimizing Your CRM
27:34 Managing Referrals: Live Transfers vs. Automated Systems
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Daniel Callahan - one of America's top 10 trial lawyers - reveals how he engineered his own rise to prominence. From orchestrating media events around verdicts to creating high-stakes seminars with Supreme Court justices, learn how strategic thinking transforms good lawyers into legal legends.
Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris’ latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.
In today's episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, learn how Daniel Callahan, founder of Callahan Consulting Group, engineered a $934M media frenzy, turned seminars into authority-building machines, and created his own path to legendary status - all through strategic thinking and bold moves in the legal space.
We discuss:
How to engineer media events around major verdicts - including the exact strategy used to turn a $934M verdict into a press sensation
Step-by-step approach to manufacturing authority
Real-world examples of creative case strategy
Managing multi-million dollar case costs
Behind-the-scenes look at building a premier litigation practice
Resources
Orange County Business Journal
National Law Journal
California Lawyer Magazine
Orange County Bar Association
Orange County Trial Lawyers Association
Guest Details
Daniel Callahan, founder of Callahan Consulting Group, has carved an extraordinary path in the legal field over his 42-year career, securing some of the most notable verdicts in U.S. history. His crowning achievement - a $934,000,000 unanimous jury verdict - stands as the highest in Orange County history, while his 2007 personal injury settlement of $50,000,000 set a national record at the time. As the former President and Managing Partner of California's premier litigation firm, Callahan & Blaine, Daniel was named one of the Top 10 Attorneys in the United States by the National Law Journal and voted California Business Trial Lawyer of the Year by California Lawyer Magazine.
Daniel Callahan: LinkedIn
Callahan Consulting Group: Website
Calahan and Blaine: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Opening
03:16 The $934M Verdict
07:00 Why choose Personal Injury Law
07:42 What Makes Elite Litigators
08:03 Smoke, Mirrors, and a Legal Looking Document: A Creative Repossession Story
11:11 Callahan Consulting Group Overview
13:44 Authority Building Through Seminars
15:28 Developing Multiple Practice Areas
16:02 The Road Design Liability Case
17:54 Managing Case Costs
18:35 Case Screening and Client Honesty
20:27 Recruiting Top Legal Talent
21:20 PIM Points: Key Takeaways
23:09 Closing and Show Information
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Jason Hennessey, CEO of Hennessey Digital, shares cutting-edge SEO strategies for personal injury law firms, AI content optimization techniques, and proven methods for dominating local search results.
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In today's episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Jason breaks down 24 years of legal SEO expertise into actionable insights for PI firms. He reveals advanced digital marketing tactics for content strategy, technical SEO, and review management that drive high-value case acquisition.
We discuss:
AI content creation strategies for law firm websites
Technical SEO and URL structure best practices
Review acquisition tactics for improved local rankings
Content pruning strategies that preserve traffic
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Resources
Motorcycle Accident Lawyer
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Guest Details
Jason Hennessey is the CEO of Hennessey Digital, a leading legal marketing agency founded after his successful exit from Everspark Interactive. Since 2001, he has specialized in SEO strategy, with deep expertise in personal injury law firm marketing.
Jason Hennessey: LinkedIn, Instagram, Podcast,
Hennessey Digital: Website
Book: Law Firm SEO, Honest SEO
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
06:43 AI Content Strategy
08:50 Content Pruning Strategy
12:29 Technical SEO & URL Structure
16:14 Law Firm Marketing Book Promo
17:00 Local SEO & Law Firm Naming
18:56 Link Building Philosophy
20:30 Review Strategy
23:30 Reddit Marketing Strategy
24:38 PIM Points & Conclusion
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Criminal defense attorney Adam Rossen reveals how looking outside your practice area can revolutionize your firm's growth. From amassing over 1,000 five-star reviews in a sensitive practice area to building a YouTube channel with 2.5M+ views, Adam shares how cross-industry innovation helped scale his firm to 8 locations.
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In today's episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, criminal defense attorney Adam Rossen reveals how looking beyond traditional legal marketing led to extraordinary growth. While many firms struggle to get reviews in sensitive practice areas, Adam's team has generated over 1,000 five-star reviews through an innovative, gamified approach. He shares his successful two-pronged YouTube strategy that's garnered 2.5M+ views and drives consistent case acquisition. Plus, learn how his pod-based team structure, powered by virtual legal assistants, enables systematic scaling across eight locations. For personal injury attorneys looking for fresh perspectives on firm growth, this cross-industry conversation is packed with actionable insights.
We discuss:
Why looking outside your practice area leads to innovative growth strategies
How to build trust and gather reviews in sensitive practice areas
Scaling with virtual legal assistants and pod team structures
YouTube marketing strategies that drive case acquisition
Building systems that support sustainable growth
Guest Details
Adam Rossen, Managing Partner of Rossen Law Firm, is a former prosecutor turned criminal defense attorney who has scaled his practice to 8 locations. Adam focuses on implementing cutting-edge marketing strategies and scalable team structures, often drawing inspiration from personal injury and other practice areas.
Adam Rossen: LinkedIn, email,
Rossen Law: Website, YouTube, TikTok, X (Twitter)
Podcast: Success in South Florida
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:43 From Law School to Prosecutor
02:57 Basketball Coaching & Finding a Managing Partner
06:00 Scaling Across 8 Locations
06:30 Team Evolution & Growth During COVID
08:00 Virtual Legal Assistants & Pod Structure
14:00 Building 1000+ Reviews in Criminal Defense
15:06 The Trust Factor: Getting Sensitive Reviews
18:00 Tech & Gamification of Review Collection
20:03 Sponsor Break: PI Lawyer Marketing Book
20:54 Multi-Channel Marketing Strategy
24:00 YouTube Success: 2.5M Views and Growing
28:25 Podcast Strategy & Community Building
33:45 Key Takeaways: The PiM Points
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Niraj Chhabra, Managing Director at Sidebar Advisors, explains why financial planning goes beyond investments, the surprising power of emergency funds, and how to strategically manage high contingency fee payouts.
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In today’s episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Niraj Chhabra helps you navigate the unique financial challenges of contingency fee-based practice while building lasting wealth. He shares expert insights on emergency funds, tax planning, and creating a comprehensive financial strategy tailored to PI attorneys.
We discuss:
Building adequate emergency funds for contingency-based practices
Strategies for managing irregular income streams
Tax planning for large contingency fee payouts
Student loan management vs. investment priorities
Updated 529 plan rules and education planning
Investment strategies beyond basic index funds
Succession planning for law firms
Disclaimer: This conversation does not intend to recommend specific investment behavior. It's intended for informational and educational purposes only. Please seek independent legal, tax, and regulatory advice before making any investment decisions.
Guest Details
Niraj Chhabra, Managing Director of SideBar Advisors, launched the firm in 2022. Previously, he was an advisor with Ameriprise Financial since 2005, concentrating on clients in the legal profession. His central focus includes family finances, tax and estate strategies, retirement, and financial planning for small businesses. His goal is to help attorneys navigate their unique tax challenges and modify their financial plans as their careers evolve. He does this by offering attorneys holistic financial planning and complimentary educational workshops.
Niraj Chhabra: LinkedIn
Side Bar Advisors: Website, Podcast, Events and CLEs
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:47 Mastering PI Firm Budgeting
03:30 Student Loans vs Investment: Making the Choice
05:33 Family Financial Planning: The Education Factor
07:51 Smart Investment Strategies
10:29 Cryptocurrency: FOMO vs Facts
12:31 Planning Your Practice's Future
14:00 Young Attorney's Guide to Financial Success
17:30 Managing Million-Dollar Settlements
20:00 Building Your Professional Network
21:54 Key Insights: The Pim Points
24:25 Important Disclaimers & Closing
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Jen Gore and Alexa Levantis from Atlanta Personal Injury Law Group to reveal their award-winning social media strategy. Learn how they transformed from posting basic content to building a social empire with over 164,000 followers, making their firm one of Inc. 5000's fastest-growing companies three years running.
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In today’s episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, get actionable insights on building your personal brand, choosing the right platforms, and creating engaging content that attracts not just clients but opportunities across the legal industry.
We discuss:
Why creating a personal brand alongside your law firm brand can exponentially increase engagement
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The importance of consistent posting (5 static posts + 1 video daily)
Why weekend and holiday posts see higher engagement
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How to build an in-house marketing team
Geofencing strategies for targeted hospital marketing
Guest Details
Jen Gore is the founder of Atlanta Personal Injury Law Group, a three-time Inc. 5000 honoree known for building a powerhouse social media presence with over 164,000 followers. Under her leadership, the firm has been recognized as one of Inc. magazine's fastest-growing law firms for three consecutive years, with their innovative social media strategy winning "Best Social Media in PI Space" at National Trial Lawyers.
Jen Gore: LinkedIn, Instagram
Atlanta Personal Injury Law Group: Website, Linkedin, Instagram, TikTok
Alexa Levantis is the Director of Marketing at Atlanta Personal Injury Law Group, where she architects the firm's comprehensive digital marketing strategy. As the mastermind behind their award-winning social media presence, she has helped transform the firm's digital footprint from basic content to a sophisticated multi-platform strategy that generates consistent engagement and opportunities.
Alexa Levantis: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Resources Mentioned
PIM Episode 281:Law Firm SEO Checklist: Win Better Cases, Dominate Local Search
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
00:35 Social Media as an Opportunity Magnet
01:57 Jen Gore's Growth Journey
03:30 Social Strategy Evolution 2021-2024
04:30 Becoming a Digital "Entity"
06:00 Strategic Post Timing
07:02 Platform Statistics & User Behavior
08:13 LinkedIn Strategy Deep Dive
10:00 Personal vs Law Firm Branding
11:30 Setting Up a Public Figure Profile
12:00 Building Your Marketing Team
14:00 Getting Comfortable on Camera
15:52 Award-Winning Results & Metrics
16:39 Geofencing & Ad Targeting
18:00 Final Thoughts: Being an Industry Leader
18:34 Episode Wrap-Up & Resources
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Dr. Jeremy Cassius, founder of the Mental Pain and Trauma Center, shares how incorporating mental health claims can significantly increase personal injury case values.
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In today’s episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Dr. Cassius reveals strategies for developing stronger mental anguish claims and explains why psychological evaluations are essential in modern PI cases.
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We discuss:
Why mental health claims are often overlooked in personal injury cases
How psychological evaluations provide concrete evidence for mental anguish claims
Understanding the impact of pre-existing conditions on mental health damages
Strategies for incorporating mental health experts in pre-litigation
How addressing psychological trauma can strengthen overall case value
Guest Details
Dr. Jeremy Cassius is a forensic psychologist and founder of the Mental Pain and Trauma Center, a nationwide organization operating in all 50 states. His organization specializes in providing psychological evaluations and treatment for personal injury clients while educating attorneys on maximizing mental anguish claims.
Dr. Cassius: LinkedIn, Instagram, Website
Mental Pain and Trauma Center: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
00:53 Meet Dr. Jeremy Cassius & Mental Pain and Trauma Center
01:47 Origins: From Immigration to Personal Injury Psychology
03:00 Evolution of Personal Injury Law: Beyond Physical Treatment
04:35 Real Case Study: Trauma Beyond Physical Injuries
10:33 Managing Pre-existing Mental Health Conditions
12:30 The Silver Lining: Making Mental Health Care Accessible
14:34 Conference Highlight: PIMCON Review
15:30 Episode Takeaways: The PIM Points
17:30 Closing and Resources
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Alexander Shunnarah, Ed Herman, and John Berry - powerhouses of traditional marketing share their insights on combining traditional and digital marketing approaches to create memorable brands and attract ideal clients.
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In today’s special episode of Personal Injury Mastermind — LIVE from PIMCON — we successful law firms are leveraging traditional marketing strategies in the modern age. We discuss:
Managing attribution challenges in traditional marketing
Building brand awareness vs. brand loyalty in legal services
The importance of memorability and creating memorable content
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Guest Details
Alexander Shannara - Founder, Alexander Shannara Trial Attorneys
LinkedIn, Instagram, Website
Mitri Shatara - Marketing Director, Alexander Shannara Trial Attorneys
LinkedIn, Instagram
Ed Herman - Managing Partner, Brown and Crouppen
LinkedIn, Instagram, Website
Jeremy Corray - Executive Vice President, Cool Fire Studios
LinkedIn, Instagram, Website
John Berry - CEO, Berry Law
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Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
00:40 Welcome: Future of Traditional Marketing Overview
01:14 Impressions & Impact: Mitri Shatara's Marketing Metrics
02:00 Billboard Evolution: Alexander Shannara's Journey from 2008
03:11 Traditional Marketing Challenges: Cost, Personalization & Attribution
05:28 Brand Awareness vs. Brand Loyalty: The Marketing Evolution
07:29 Modern Marketing Mix: From "Spray and Pray" to Targeted Approach
09:07 Tech Stack Integration: HubSpot & Digital Solutions
11:00 Memorable Marketing: Ed Herman & Jeremy Corray on Creating Connection
14:00 Brand Affection Strategy: Moving Beyond Awareness
15:35 Community Content: Three Lawyers Eating Sandwiches
16:39 Authenticity in Marketing: The Power of Genuine Content
18:00 Finding Your Voice: Working with Non-Natural Performers
20:22 Brand Identity: John Berry on Three-Word Brand Definition
21:00 Veterans First Strategy: Berry Law's Focused Approach
22:05 Billboard Branding: The 2-Second Rule
24:00 Community Integration: Building Brand Through Local Involvement
27:07 Outro
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Karl Seelbach, Founder at Skribe.ai, shares how tech enables instant video depositions with a 24-hour turn-around time.
"Speed is not just important in today’s law practice. It’s a requirement. The faster you can move on to the next task in your case, the faster you can actually turn your cases. Think about the cumulative effect across your entire docket.” - Karl Seelbach
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In today’s episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, we dive deep into the world of legal tech innovations with Karl Seelbach, founder of Skribe.ai. Discover how modern deposition technology is transforming the legal landscape, offering unprecedented time and cost savings for attorneys. We discuss:
How video testimony is changing the game in personal injury cases
Strategies for significant time and cost savings in the deposition process
The power of video evidence in negotiations and court proceedings
Overcoming challenges in remote and hybrid depositions
Leveraging technology to increase case turnover and efficiency
How to work with the opposition to secure higher case values for your client
Why early mediation helps all sides
Guest Details
Karl Seelbach - a former personal injury attorney and the founder of Scribe.ai, a cutting-edge legal tech company revolutionizing the deposition process. With experience on both sides of personal injury cases, Karl brings unique insights into litigation strategies and the practical application of technology in law.
Karl Seelbach: LinkedIn,
Skribe.ai: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Resources Mentioned
Doyle and Seelbach
Alex Hormozi
Email Karl (karl@skribe.ia) for 25% off of your first deposition.
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
01:16 The Current Deposition Process Challenge
02:25 Scribe.ai: A Modern Solution
03:19 Transcript Accuracy & Two-Step Process
04:42 The Value of Speed in Legal Work
06:33 Zoom Integration & Video Features
08:30 The Court Reporter Shortage Crisis
10:11 Scribe.ai Library: Working with Legacy Content
12:06 Karl's Legal Background & Career Journey
14:30 Tips for Plaintiff Attorneys
15:51 Settlement Timing & Strategy
17:26 Early Mediation Benefits
19:00 Data-Driven Settlement Demands
21:27 Episode Takeaways & Closing
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Matt Dolman, Managing Partner of Dolman Law Group, shares how his website hit 83 million impressions and 670,000 clicks in 12 months.
"All of a sudden Google rewarded us and for three straight years we ranked number one in the country for car accident lawyer. ." - Matt Dolman
In today’s episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, we explore the content marketing strategies that rank legal websites in the top 1% with Managing Partner of Dolman Law Group, Matt Dolman. We discuss:
How to amplify content so it can be found
Long-tail keywords, the new frontier in legal SEO
Quality content production at scale
Content freshness: When to update mass tort pages and practice areas
Leverage AI for optimization, not creation, to maintain EEAT
Strategic social media promotion impacts search rankings
Collaboration with other lawyers can boost visibility
Regular content pruning and 301 redirects preserve SEO value
Guest Details
Matt Dolman is the Managing Partner at Dolman Law Group. A trailblazer in legal content marketing, his efforts have helped his websites achieve 83 million impressions and 670,000 clicks in 12 months, and 10 million impressions on a new mass tort site in under a year.
Matt Dolman: LinkedIn
Dolman Law Group: Website, Instagram, YouTube
Lawsuit Legal News: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Resources Mentioned
Google Search Console
Google Analytics
Surfer SEO
Frase.io
Ahrefs
SEMrush
Time Stamps
(00:00) Introduction
(01:33) From Obituaries to SEO: The Unconventional Journey of a Personal Injury Lawyer
(03:08) The Evolution of SEO
(04:48) Content is King
(05:37) Quality vs. Quantity: The Delicate Balance in Content Production
(07:21) Dominating National Rankings
(08:20) Content Refreshing for Better Rankings
(10:28) AI and SEO in Search Results
(12:29) Optimizing Content with AI Assistance
(14:36) Sharing Can Boost Your Rankings
(17:30) Reasons to Share Legal Content
(18:30) Content Pruning
(19:53) How to Measure Success
(21:28) How Long Should You Wait for SEO Results?
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"Knowledge is power. The more the attorney knows the science of their case, should there be drugs or alcohol in their case, the better that they understand it, the better they can develop their strategy." - Dr. Allison Muller, Clinical Toxicologist and Principal at Acri Muller Consulting
In today’s episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, we explore how to assess case viability, build stronger arguments, and increase settlement values with Dr. Allison Muller, a renowned toxicology expert witness with over 30 years of experience. We discuss:
Why every personal injury attorney needs a toxicology expert witness
How toxicology expertise can uncover hidden case angles
Interpreting drug levels and their impact on impairment
Navigating complex medication interactions in nursing home cases
Understanding postmortem toxicology for wrongful death claims
Maximizing case values in drug and alcohol-related incidents
The importance of continuing education in toxicology
Guest Details
Dr. Allison Muller - Clinical Toxicologist and Principal at Acri Muller Consulting.
Dr. Allison Muller: LinkedIn
Acri Muller Consulting: Website
Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details
Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.
Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter
Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram
Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet
Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize
Work with Rankings: Connect
Resources Mentioned
American Board of Applied Toxicology (ABAT)
Poison Control Center
Time Stamps
00:00 Meet Dr. Allison Muller
03:53 Dr. Muller's Legal Consulting Journey
06:28 The Science Behind Winning Cases
08:02 Unraveling Complex Nursing Home Cases
11:24 Toxicology's Critical Role in Auto Accidents
15:30 Maximizing Case Value Through Scientific Understanding
17:07 Staying Ahead of the Curve, Continuing Education in Toxicology and Law
21:28 Key Takeaways: Leveraging Toxicology Expertise in Personal Injury Law
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