Product Marketing Life

Your very own biweekly dose of all things product marketing. Whether you want a glimpse into the life of other PMMs or you’re after a deep dive into something specific, this is the only place you need to be.

1 PMM, 3 layoffs, and a whole lot of learning, with Shawn Dye, Calendly

In this episode, we sit down with Shawn Dye, a product marketing manager who shares a candid look at his unconventional career path – from starting in HR to pivoting into product marketing after earning his MBA. Shawn discusses his experiences at Zola and at various growth-stage startups across e-commerce, tech, and SaaS, highlighting the importance of building strong cross-functional relationships, especially with product managers.He also opens up about facing three layoffs in a single year and how market volatility has shaped his perspective on career stability. Throughout the conversation, Shawn emphasizes the value of documenting your work, adapting quickly to new environments, and staying committed to lifelong learning.

11-28
32:03

Why your campaigns should never stop, with Sedall Asante, Aptos Labs

How do you market in a world that never stops? Sedall Asante, Product Marketing Director at Aptos Labs, shares his journey from JP Morgan to crypto, the power of evergreen campaigns, and why taking calculated risks early can skyrocket your marketing career.

11-14
28:43

Everything changes: M&A lessons from a PMM leader, with Nupur Bhade Vilas

In this episode, Nupur Bhade Vilas, Head of PMM at Kustomer, shares how she transitioned from engineering to product marketing, using organization, detailed notes, and AI tools to drive success.She reflects on leading marketing through major transitions – like Twilio’s SendGrid acquisition and Kustomer’s rebrand – highlighting the importance of trust, clear communication, and team alignment during change. Nupur also offers advice for PMMs navigating mergers: seek clarity, use AI as a thought partner, and advocate for your growth.

10-31
37:33

AI for PMMs: Less scary, more actionable, with Maitri Sheth

Listen as Maitri Sheth, Senior Product Marketing Manager, reveals the untold story of making AI work for humans, not the other way around.In this episode, Maitri takes us behind the scenes of her career transition from B2C to B2B marketing and shares the hard-won lessons from leading Gong's groundbreaking AI narrative. Discover how she's using cutting-edge tools like ChatGPT and Claude to revolutionize product messaging while maintaining the human touch that actually converts.

10-17
40:40

Skills over titles: How to build a career in Product Marketing, with Michelle Zak

How do you build a career when the path isn’t clear? Michelle Zak’s journey from fine arts and design to product marketing leadership is anything but traditional.And that’s exactly why it works.In this conversation, Michelle shares the lessons she’s learned navigating startups, shifting industries, and carving out a role that often looks different from company to company. From “job crafting” to breaking into new industries without prior experience, she highlights the skills and mindset that helped her stand out in a tough job market.→ Why design thinking is a natural foundation for product marketing→ The power of “job crafting” and how to use it at any stage of your career→ Tips for breaking into new industries without direct experience→ What to expect when moving from late-stage to early-stage startups→ Why product marketing is always “more than you think”

10-03
39:31

Earning a seat at the table as a PMM with Hannah Pickering, Centivo

Join Hannah Pickering, Director of Product Marketing at Centivo, as she explains her journey from writer to product marketer, emphasizing the importance of understanding business operations and earning trust. She highlights her experience in various industries, stressing the need for product marketers to connect the dots, develop unique perspectives, and build credibility by engaging early with product teams.

09-05
37:43

What PMMs get WRONG about product-market fit with Emily Wengel, Origami Risk

Emily Wengel, Product Marketing Team Lead at Origami Risk, shares her journey from biotech to product marketing, where she now leads a growing team. She breaks down how improv sharpened her communication skills, the challenge of finding product-market fit, and why project management and stakeholder alignment are essential for PMMs. Disclaimer: Everything was correct at the time of recording. Origami Risk has since hired a VP of Product Marketing to join Emily and the PMM team.

08-08
36:38

The #1 growth strategy most B2B teams overlook with Andrew Peterson, Clozd

What really makes a customer say “yes” or “no”?In this episode, we sit down with Andrew Peterson, co-founder of Clozd, to unpack the secrets behind win-loss analysis and why it's the most overlooked source of growth for B2B companies.Andrew shares his journey from the early days at Qualtrics to launching Clozd, a company that’s redefining how sales, marketing, and product teams learn from lost deals. We explore the win-loss maturity curve, the rise of AI-driven insights, and how Clozd’s Expert Network is helping teams win more strategic deals.Plus, he makes a strong case for why product marketers deserve more credit and how AI can elevate their role to become even more essential.Sponsored by Clozd – the leader in win-loss analysis. Learn more at https://www.clozd.com.Download the Win-Loss content Andrew mentioned here: 👉 State of Win-Loss Analysis Report👉 Definitive Guide to Win-Loss Analysis

07-25
39:32

Public speaking, data, and discovery with Kristen Brooks, Octane

In this episode, we sit down with Kristen Brooks, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Octane, as she shares her inspiring career journey – from her early days in partner marketing at Cisco to leading enterprise strategy and demand gen alignment.

07-10
36:31

AI WON'T replace you, but PMMs who use it MIGHT with Susanna Bogardus, Workday

In this episode, Susanna Bogardus, Principal PMM at Workday, shares her path from account management to product marketing – and how AI tools like GPT-3 are reshaping how we work.She dives into building trust in AI, using tech to support (not replace) human roles, and why customer support is a goldmine for insights. Susanna also shares top advice for aspiring PMMs: hone your soft skills and know your customer.

07-09
27:57

What it takes to get promoted in product marketing with Steffi Li

In this episode, our host, Sid Khaitan, spoke with Steffi Li, Head of Product Marketing, about her path from advertising to building a career in technical B2B product marketing. She shares how a research background shaped her PMM instincts, what it’s like breaking into the field without a technical degree, and why domain knowledge and foundational processes matter – especially in early-stage startups.

07-09
34:01

Surviving career chaos: “Pause if you must, but don't stop." with Michael Robin Hansen, Thomson Reuters

In this episode, Sid talks with Michael Robin Hansen, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Thomson Reuters, about her unexpected journey from culinary school to product marketing. Michael shares how lessons from the kitchen help her manage product launches, her experience navigating layoffs, and what it takes to build a high-impact PMM team.They also cover how to break into product marketing without a technical background, the importance of curiosity and continuous learning, and why flexibility is key in fast-moving industries.Whether you're in marketing, pivoting careers, or just love a good origin story – this one’s for you.Read Michael’s PMA article here.

06-27
45:15

Are tiger teams better than traditional teams? with Laura Kaminski, iTradeNetwork

Laura Kaminski, Head of Product Marketing at iTrade Network, shares her journey from graphic design to leading product marketing. She dives into how AI, customer insights, and tiger teams are transforming how tech companies align strategy and drive results. A must-listen for anyone in product, marketing, or tech leadership.

06-13
29:36

"Be 10 times bolder in your career" with Yi Lin Pei

In this episode of the Product Marketing Life podcast, Collin Mayjack sits down with Yi Lin Pei, a renowned career coach and founder of Courageous Careers. Yi Lin Pei brings a wealth of experience from her own journey in product marketing and offers invaluable insights into building a fulfilling and strategic career.

07-19
54:01

“We’re not marketers” and other spicy takes, with Eric Holland, Gab Bujold, and Zach Roberts

In this episode Collin sits down with the 3 the boys behind the We’re Not Marketers podcast: Eric Holland, Gab Bujold, and Zach Roberts. This episode is all about hot takes, including the hot take that started it all: Product Marketers are not marketers.

07-05
51:05

PMM charters and proof customers actually believe, with Mark Huber and Alex Eaton from UserEvidence

In this episode of Product Marketing Life, our host Collin Mayjack sits down with the boys behind UserEvidence, Mark Huber & Alex Eaton. Mark peeled back the curtain on his first PMM hire, Alex shared about building his PMM charter, and the three of them talked about what UserEvidence does best – customer proof.

06-07
43:45

“PLG is not a free trial” with Madison Leonard, Consultant and Founder of SaaS Secrets

In this episode, Collin sits down with the queen of PLG herself, Madison Leonard. Collin and Madison chat through mistakes product marketers make in segmentation, how companies can become more product led, and why features don’t make a product #1.

05-24
49:39

Building a PMM swipe file with Jason Oakley and Aubrey Chapnick, writers of PMM Files

In this episode, Collin sits down with the writers of his favorite newsletter, The PMM Files. Collin, Jason, and Aubrey talk about borrowed creativity, three of their favorite product marketing examples, and how to build a swipe file of your own.

05-10
51:29

Product marketing therapy with Maggie Bean, Co-Founder of Product Marketing Therapy

In this episode of Product Marketing Life, Collin goes to therapy. Well, sort of. Collin sat down with Maggie Bean, Co-Founder of Product Marketing Therapy. Collin and Maggie get personal, covering everything from anxiety and imposter syndrome to self care and finding community.

04-29
42:17

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