Pyramid to Circles

This podcast is dedicated to leaders and the change makers who are truly willing to evolve their organization from hierarchy to empowerment, and are wondering how to succeed this transition. It features business leaders who took this journey far ahead as well as seasoned practitioners and forefront doers. We share their stories, take their advice, and bring you refreshing inspiration to explore how we can truly create greater outcome, as we evolve from pyramid to self-organisation.

The deep agile transformation of ICA (retail industry) w/ Marvin Liljegren

ICA is the Sweden #1 supermarket chain, with over 23 000 employees, 1300 stores across the country,  generating 100  Billion Euros of revenue. ICA has undertaken a very large agile transformation that has become a benchmark and a true inspiration for many companies in Sweden and all over Europe. The secret sauce of their success : make the transformation of matters of culture first, before any methods. Marvin Lilegren is the  “Head of User Experience & Design” at ICA and has been instrumental at the core of this story. In this episode, he lays out the step by step approach and key success factors of the ICA’s agile transformation journey. The principles he explains apply for any industry. Follow-us on https://www.linkedin.com/company/pyramid-to-circles/

11-07
57:39

(In French) Comment faire de votre écoute un outil puissant d'accompagnement du changement? Avec Sébastien Dupuis

Polytechnicien, ayant travaillé 20 ans dans l'Internet dans la Silicon Valley, en Europe  et en Chine, Sébastien a vécu un burn out qui l’a conduit à s’intéresser au rôle de l'ego et à l’importance de l’écoute  dans les entreprises. Il a développé l’Écoute Progressive, une technique basée sur des principes d'humilité, de bienveillance et de confiance en l'humain, qu'il dévoile dans cet épisode En 2019 Sébastien a créé Tirezio, un cabinet qui accompagne les organisations en forte croissance ou en transformation qui veulent soutenir  le développement des individus à l’échelle mais n'ont pas forcément les moyens d'offrir du coaching “classique” à tous leurs collaborateurs. Pour en savoir plus : https://www.tirezio.com

10-20
38:19

How a 170 years-old multinational company is radically transforming with self-management? w/ Pernilla Wikman

Pernilla Wikman is the VP, Head of Global Business at Telia, the leading Swedish Telco company. Based on her long personal exploration in the field of learning organizations, she has initiated in her division a deep culture transformation promoting self-managed and autonomous teams. In this episode she shares her experience, the results obtained, as well as very concrete insights on how to lead the change. In particular, she introduces the 5 transformational areas that volunteer teams are invited to explore : Why, Me, We, Focus and Self-Organization. I have been truly  inspired by this conversation, and by how Pernilla  is driven by a desire to continuously learn.

10-03
58:58

My key learnings after hosting 25 episodes of Pyramid to circles - w/Mickael Drouard

In this episode, I share some of the key learnings I had throughout the 1st season of Pyramid to circles, in particular what the term ‘Living Organization’ means for me, as well as the key leadership skills necessary for managers who lead a transformation towards empowerment, including Intelligence of the Self, Emotional Intelligence (a lot in there to say), and Polarities Management. I would love to have your ideas and reaction on our LinkedIn page !

09-14
16:56

The steps to become a purpose-centric organization - W/ Patrick Fransen

Patrick Fransen is a Partner at Pebble Wave, a new type of consultancy whose goal is to incubate and invest in for-purpose start-ups. In this episode, Patrick explains why and how becoming a purpose-centric organization is a growth accelerator. He also introduces Pebble Wave’s 7-steps method to apply purpose centricity in all the company dimensions, including Culture, Ways of working, Business model, Strategy, Sales, Finance and People skills.

05-09
57:48

How to bring sustainability into leadership and culture transformation? W/ Claire Carré

Very often, sustainability is addressed in the realm of  “doing”: Indeed, individuals and organizations must react  to the alarming data indicating the destruction of our living systems. But as we react, we are not yet in a creation mode, one that is truly innovative and inspired. For that, we need to experience that sustainability is also about “being”. It is about a shift of mindset inside yourself. Building a culture of sustainability in organizations means growing a new level of consciousness in which we belong to a greater system. Our guest Claire Carre (roseaux.dansants@gmail.com) brought to France the Work That Reconnects, founded in the 1960s by Joanna Macy. This immense piece of practice and knowledge is truly transformative but  has not been brought to conventional organizations YET. I invited Claire to P2C because I believe that her work will inspire leaders who want to innovate and include sustainability in their culture and transform their business. Please share with me your ideas and reactions at mickael@fabric.team.

04-18
01:06:33

Sociocracy 3.0 in practice, w/ Jef Cumps

Jef Cumps is the author of Sociocracy 3.0, the Novel, and the founder of ILean, a Belgian consultancy specialised in Agile and Sociocracy. In this episode, Jef shares about his experiences with companies and how he supports them finding the right balance between “maintaining the structure” and “empowering people”, two polarities often difficult to reconcile, by working both on the organisational as well as the individual levels of transformation. 

04-08
01:03:05

(In French) L’Intelligence de Soi - avec Bruno Thévenin

Bruno Thévenin a été jusqu’en 2020 le CEO de Pepsico France, où il a créé les conditions d’un cercle vertueux alliant performance économique - une croissance exponentielle puisque l’entreprise est passé de 30 M€ à 1 milliards d’€, à la performance sociale (N°1 Great Place to Work, N°1 Top Employeur France). En parallèle de ce parcours de dirigeant, Bruno s’est formé au Coaching et à l’Intelligence de Soi. En 2020, il franchit le pas et quitte Pepsico pour s’engager dans un projet au plus prêt de sa raison d’être: reprendre le cabinet Osiris Conseil, pionnier du coaching et de l’Intelligence de soi (MBTI puis CCTI) fondé par Geneviève Cailloux et Pierre Cauvin. Dans ce podcast, il partage son parcours, explique comment l'Intelligence de Soi permet un nouveau  leadership au service de  l’intelligence collective, en accueillant et en collaborant avec la diversité en soi - et en l’autre.

03-02
01:04:44

Do you have a Purpose? If not, how to find it? W/ Marco Bogers

Marco Bogers is the author of “Getting Started with Holacracy: Upgrading Your Team's Productivity”. Over the years he specialized in helping leaders and organizations find their Purpose. In this podcast, Marco explains that it is not about writing a statement, but rather about finding a place within yourself that he calls the "Trusted Source", into which you can tap in order to make better decisions. I have really enjoyed this conversation that I found really inspirational. To know more about Marco’s work visit workinflow.nl

02-20
01:29:45

LATE NITE ART w/ Adam Rosendahl

Adam Rosendahl is a facilitator, experience designer, and the Founder of Late Nite Art® - a creative learning and development lab. For the past 10 years, he has traveled the globe, supporting teams to improve creative confidence and deepen connection beyond the roles people play at work. His clients include Pixar, Stanford, LinkedIn... In this episode, he shares how to build psychological safety in a team so people can address greater challenges together. He brings numerous practical insights that leaders and facilitators easily can take inspiration from.

01-20
01:02:56

100 DAY WARRIOR - A program for entrepreneurs & leaders

Atalwin Pilon is the founder of 100 Day Warrior, a spiritual and physical transformation program that creates the conditions for talented human beings to rise above themselves. This life-changing journey enables consciousness shifts, as well as renewed energy and meaning. Atalwin’s approach to transformation, by combining body and mind, is refreshing, highly innovative and quite unique. He inspires leaders to prepare themselves to face whatever challenges life throws at them. In this episode, he shares his personal journey that led him to create this program. Visit www.100daywarrior.com for more details.

01-13
01:05:36

(In French) Comment changer les comportements chez les managers? avec JF Hadida, Orange

Co-fondateur et Directeur d'Orange Campus Management, l'université d'entreprise d'Orange qui s'occupe des 20 000 managers du groupe pour des programmes de formation et de transformation, Jean-François Hadida est aussi conférencier; sa passion : décortiquer les comportements managériaux pour favoriser leur évolution et permettre à l’entreprise et aux humains qui y travaillent de mieux faire face à un environnement toujours plus complexe, volatile et incertain. Créatif et passionné, Jean-François partage dans ce podcast ses convictions sur la transformation managériale, construite sur plus de 10 années d’accompagnement au plus près des dirigeants du leader français des Telco.

12-17
01:18:38

(In French) Être un bâtisseur d'essentiel - avec Hubert de Boisredon

PDG du groupe Armor depuis 2004, Hubert a conduit cette ETI française de 2500 collaborateurs dans 30 pays à multiplier par 4 son chiffre d'affaires, à racheter son concurrent américain jusqu'à devenir aujourd’hui le leader mondial sur son marché. Ayant mis l’innovation, le développement durable et l'entrepreneuriat au cœur de sa stratégie, Hubert dirige cette entreprise à partir de convictions humanistes et spirituelles profondes qu’il partage dans son livre L'Esprit souffle, suis-le” (ed. Mame, 2021). Son message:  “La priorité de l’entreprise n’est pas la maximisation du profit, mais bien son rôle de transformation de la société en profondeur, pour construire un monde plus humain et plus juste”. Dans cet épisode, il parle longuement de son cheminement, et de sa posture de leader entre liberté intérieure et vulnérabilité.

11-25
01:05:13

Why do I work in organisations' transformation? w/ Mickael Drouard

In this podcast, we turn the microphone. My friend and business partner Chloé Grabli interviews me. I share my convictions, my experience as a change agent, in particular my journey in collective intelligence, Holacracy, Adaptive Governance, as well as the story of Fabric, the one of the book I just published, and some of the lessons I learned in 20 years working with dozens of organisations... I also share the deeper reasons that drive me in this life and career path. I found this moment very authentic and intimate. I even said some secrets about me I had never told so far..! I hope it will inspire the listeners in their own journey.

10-14
52:05

Are you a decentralist? w/ Tom Thomison, co-founder of HolacracyOne

For the last 15 years, Thomas Thomison has been developing Holacracy® into a replacement for conventional management power hierarchies. In 2015, he co-launched encode.org to upgrade underlying business legal, capital, and social structures with the same self-organizing principles. In this podcast, Tom shares the deep convictions that led him dedicate his career to create organisations that truly respect people and enable their potentiel to reveal itself. He explains many of the fundamental distinctions to understand how to shift from a centralised to a decentralised power system. A chance to get those directly from the source.

10-06
01:31:20

(IN FRENCH) La Gouvernance Adaptative : Le témoignage du dirigeant

Stéphane Pensivy est Directeur des Opérations France pour le B2B d’Orange. Lui et moi sommes les co-auteurs, avec Yann Bresson, du livre La Gouvernance Adaptative, libérez le pouvoir d’agir en entreprise (Ed. Pearson). Dans ce podcast, Stéphane partage le cheminement personnel qui l’a conduit à initier cette transformation qui a touché des centaines de collaborateurs sur trois années. Il aborde également les défis du dirigeant pour réussir une transformation vers l’agilité  dans une entreprise aussi complexe qu’Orange, ses propres apprentissages ainsi que ses conseils éclairés pour mettre en place la Gouvernance Adaptative.

09-11
01:10:42

(IN FRENCH) Qui est le manager aujourd'hui? Ce sont le équipes. Ou comment réussir la transformation agile “à l’échelle”

Chloé Grabli est mon associée au sein du cabinet de conseil Fabric. Pionnière de l'intelligence collective, accompagnante d'organisations depuis plus de 10 ans, elle a développé des compétences uniques sur le passage à l’échelle de la transformation. Elle résume son métier comme celui de “créer les conditions pour que l‘organisation soit au plus beau d'elle-même”. Dans ce podcast elle partage ses “secrets de Fabric”, les approches uniques qu’elle propose face problématiques qu’elle rencontre au quotidien, pour que la transformation ne soit pas l’affaire des managers, mais bien celle des équipes. 

09-11
01:00:08

Non Violent Communication & Internal Family Systems, w/ Saleem Ebrahim

Meet an amazing man, a seasoned Master of Non Violent Communication (NVC). A true world citizen who, with Indian origins, has worked and lived in France, USA, Italy, England, Kenya and Spain, Saleem Ebrahim has been a NVC corporate trainer for over 3 decades. Ten years ago he merged NVC with Internal Family Systems (developed by Richard Schwarz) in order to support the development of large organisations dealing with high levels of complexity and build their self leadership capacities. His highly inspirational insights truly enable you to get a deep understanding of NVC and why it is an essential key to succeed the cultural transformation towards agile. Saleem has been directly trained by Marshall Rosenberg, the founder of NVC, and in the interview he shares his experience of him. For more about NVC visit : www.cnvc.org

09-11
01:09:39

Discover how to use the super power of stories

The capacity to deal with higher levels of complexity requires a culture shift from a competitive narrative to a collaborative one. In this episode, meet with the internationally renowned story activist Mary Alice Arthur, co-creator of the Collective Story Harvesting method and author of  365 ALIVE! Find your voice, Claim your story, Live your brilliant life (https://www.getsoaring.com). She introduces the 3 waves of stories : Influence, Meaning making and Healing & Wholing, as well as the 5 transformation skills that every change agent shall develop. Mary-Alice is one of the most advanced pioneers in understanding and transforming the underlying stories that create the context in which we operate unconsciously, as individuals, organisations and society, and that determine our outcomes. She authentically shares her decades of experience around the world.

07-29
01:09:38

Stop thinking about growing, think about thriving. With Michelle Holliday

Michelle is a seasoned facilitator, speaker and researcher, as well as author of The Age of Thrivability: Vital Perspectives and Practices for a Better World. She lives in Montreal. In this episode, Michelle explains the 4 life universal design conditions and how to apply them in organisations. She brings advanced distinctions to help understand what it takes to shift from a mechanistic to a living system culture and explains how companies can be practice grounds for reinventing our world. A highly inspiring conversation addressing the core of the culture shift we need to evolve towards agile, resilient and adaptive organisations.

07-15
56:43

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