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In this episode of The Say More Podcast, co-hosts Eleanor Turner and Isabelle Steichen sit down with Michael Robinov, co-founder and CEO of Farm to People, a radically local food company reshaping how New Yorkers connect with farmers, chefs, and their own kitchens. We explore: The joyful spark behind Farm to People’s inception—and why creative ideas often emerge from moments of ease What Waldorf education taught him about autonomy, imagination, and holistic thinking—and how it shaped his approach to business and life Growing up in NYC, dropping out of Tisch, and trusting intuition over credentials Why regenerative farming and local food systems aren’t just buzzwords—they’re central to Michael’s purpose What it’s really like to build a business with your father and your partner (spoiler: it’s messy, meaningful, and deeply rewarding) How customer feedback drives innovation—and why listening is Michael’s north star The role travel played in launching FTP, and why it still fuels his creativity Whether an IPO or a national expansion is on the horizon—and what’s next for Farm to People Michael’s story is a reminder that purpose-driven business can be scrappy and wildly impactful. Book/podcast recs: Acquired: Deep dives into iconic companies that broke the mold—like Costco, Nike, and Berkshire Hathaway. Michael Robinov loves how it showcases businesses that were aberrations of their time, yet built on enduring principles. Think Again by Adam Grant A guide to rethinking assumptions, embracing curiosity, and staying mentally flexible—especially relevant for leaders building adaptive, values-driven companies. No Rules Rules by Reed Hastings & Erin Meyer A behind-the-scenes look at Netflix’s radical culture of freedom and responsibility. A masterclass in rejecting convention and scaling through trust and innovation. No-Excuses Management by T.J. Rodgers A lesser-known but powerful book on building high-performance teams through clear targets, bonus structures, and metric-driven accountability. Rodgers’ approach blends hard business fundamentals with entrepreneurial grit. Connect with Michael on Instagram Follow FtP on Instagram and online Thank you to our sponsors, Amelia Risk - get a Free audit by signing up through their site - and to The Big Favorite - Take 15% off your first order with code: SAYMORE15 The Big Favorite IG ⁠⁠⁠⁠@thebigfavorite⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on IG ⁠⁠⁠⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ / Follow us on Tiktok ⁠⁠⁠⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ Isabelle’s IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@theplantiful⁠⁠⁠⁠ El’s IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@the_elturner

In this episode of Say More, Eleanor and Isabelle sit down with Babba Rivera—founder of the award-winning clean hair care brand Ceremonia, former Uber exec, and a trailblazing Latina entrepreneur reshaping the beauty industry. Babba shares her remarkable journey from growing up in Sweden’s immigrant neighborhoods to launching a purpose-driven brand rooted in heritage, wellness, and authenticity. This conversation is a masterclass in manifesting bold moves, dismantling limiting beliefs, and building businesses that reflect your highest values. What we covered in this episode: Growing up in Sweden with Chilean immigrant parents How Babba navigated language barriers, cultural identity, and early ambition Her leap from Uber Sweden to NYC—and the mindset behind big life decisions The power of authenticity and how passion creates unexpected opportunities Why generosity and helping others are central to her leadership philosophy The insight that sparked Ceremonia: “Hair care” vs. styling products Balancing motherhood and entrepreneurship with 4 kids What success feels like now—and how it aligns with her values Links & Resources Ceremonia on IG and online – Babba’s clean hair care brand https://www.instagram.com/myceremonia/?hl=en Follow Babba on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/babba/?hl=en TV show rec: Common Side Effects The Tao of Founders by Guillaume Racine Thank you to our Sponsors: Amelia Risk - ⁠⁠https://ameliarisk.com/⁠⁠ The Big Favorite - ⁠⁠thebigfavorite.com⁠⁠ get 15% off your first order with code: SAYMORE15 The Big Favorite IG ⁠⁠⁠@thebigfavorite⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on IG ⁠⁠⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠⁠⁠ / Follow us on Tiktok ⁠⁠⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠⁠⁠ Isabelle’s IG: ⁠⁠⁠@theplantiful⁠⁠⁠ El’s IG: ⁠⁠⁠@the_elturner

In this transformative episode, Lorna Davis—former CEO of Danone North America and trailblazer of the B Corp movement—invites us into a conversation about what it really means to lead, live, and grow through the lens of radical interdependence. From her upbringing in South Africa to her global career across seven countries and five continents, Lorna shares why she believes that heroism is outdated—and that meaningful change depends on our willingness to rely on one another. This isn’t just about leadership. It’s about building lives, organizations, and societies that thrive on trust, empathy, and purpose. TED Talk, A Guide to Collaborative Leadership: https://www.ted.com/speakers/lorna_davis Books: It's That Simple, Mavis Karn; Raising Hare, Chloe Dalton; Memorial Day, Geraldine Brooks; Consolations, David White; Eckhart Tolle’s work Please support the Rhino's at Care For Wild: https://careforwild.co.za/ Thank you to our Sponsors:Amelia Risk - ⁠https://ameliarisk.com/⁠ The Big Favorite - ⁠thebigfavorite.com⁠ get 15% off your first order with code: SAYMORE15 The Big Favorite IG ⁠⁠@thebigfavorite⁠⁠ Follow us on IG ⁠⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠⁠ / Follow us on Tiktok ⁠⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠⁠ Isabelle’s IG: ⁠⁠@theplantiful⁠⁠ El’s IG: ⁠⁠@the_elturner

In this conversation, Eleanor and Isabelle sit down with Jeni Britton—entrepreneur, artist, and founder of the iconic Jeni’s Splendid Ice Cream and her new brand, Floura, which is the most diverse fiber bar on the market. Jeni shares her path from struggling art student to industry visionary, diving deep into the emotional and creative roots of her journey. From her early days running “Scream,” to building Jeni's into a national brand, to stepping away and starting over, this episode explores reinvention, curiosity, and the power of slowing down, synchronicity, and building businesses that reflect your soul. In This Episode, They Cover: Jeni’s unconventional childhood and how it shaped her boldness Why she dropped out of college and knew she’d be her own boss Creative burnout and knowing when to walk away Lessons learned through failure—not success Launching Floura and why she’s obsessed with fiber and food systems How motherhood fits into the founder experience Why she says Lord of the Rings is the best business book she's ever read And why “creativity is finding efficiencies”—a mindset every founder needs Resources Mentioned: Floura: https://www.floura.com/ Jeni’s substack: https://substack.com/@jenibritton Books Jeni likes: The Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman,The Apothecary's Wife by  Karen Bloom Gevirtz and The Mayflower by Nathaniel Philbrick Instagram: @jenibrittonbauer Thank you to our Sponsors:Amelia Risk - https://ameliarisk.com/ The Big Favorite - thebigfavorite.com get 15% off your first order with code: SAYMORE15 The Big Favorite IG ⁠@thebigfavorite⁠ Follow us on IG ⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠ / Follow us on Tiktok ⁠@thesaymorepodcast⁠ Isabelle’s IG: ⁠@theplantiful⁠ El’s IG: ⁠@the_elturner

Join us for an enlightening conversation with Zoe Paknad, the visionary founder of Goldune, as we delve into the world of sustainable retail. Discover Zoe's inspiring journey in creating a company that makes sustainability approachable and accessible. She shares the triumphs and challenges of her mission to transform consumer habits and offers insights into the future of eco-friendly products, and reveals what she’s up to today with First Rodeo and more! Zoe’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-paknad Zoe’s substack First Rodeo: https://1strodeo.substack.com/ Thank you to our sponsor dash.fi ! Dash.Fi provides businesses with a card product that allows you to scale your advertising campaigns: Daily limits up to $3M a day Flawless card authorisation due to our Mastercard backing. Up to 3% cashback on all of your digital advertising spend. 3% cashback and 5.3% APY. Net 60 card to extend payment terms at 1% fee Thank you also to our sponsor, The Big Favorite! The Big Favorite provides simple, versatile, and plastic-free pima cotton base layers that empower you to prioritize you.  The Big Favorite website: https://thebigfavorite.com/ The Big Favorite IG: @thebigfavorite Follow us on IG @thesaymorepodcast / Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast Isabelle’s IG: @theplantiful El’s IG: @the_elturner

Welcome to episode 5 of the Say More Podcast. Today, we have a very special guest with us, Eva Goicochea. Eva is the brilliant mind behind Maude, a modern sexual wellness company that’s redefining intimacy and self-care. With a background in healthcare and brand strategy, Eva has been a trailblazer in creating products that prioritize simplicity, quality, and inclusivity. In this episode, we dive deep into Eva’s background, and what led her to ultimately start Maude. Maude website: https://getmaude.com/ Maude IG: https://www.instagram.com/getmaude/ Eva IG: https://www.instagram.com/evagoicochea/ Thank you to our sponsor dash.fi ! Dash.Fi provides businesses with a card product that allows you to scale your advertising campaigns: Daily limits up to $3M a day Flawless card authorisation due to our Mastercard backing. Up to 3% cashback on all of your digital advertising spend. 3% cashback and 5.3% APY. Net 60 card to extend payment terms at 1% fee Thank you also to our sponsor, The Big Favorite! The Big Favorite provides simple, versatile, and plastic-free pima cotton base layers that empower you to prioritize you.  The Big Favorite website: https://thebigfavorite.com/ The Big Favorite IG: @thebigfavorite Follow us on IG @thesaymorepodcast / Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast Isabelle’s IG: @theplantiful El’s IG: @the_elturner

Today, we have the pleasure of hosting David Fudge, a visionary entrepreneur and co-founder of Aplós, the trailblazing non-alcoholic spirit brand that's redefining social drinking. With a background as one of the first hires at Bonobos, David brings a wealth of experience in brand building and innovation to the table. At Aplós, he's on a mission to create sophisticated, mood-boosting beverages that offer the same social experience without the alcohol. Join us as we dive into David's journey, the challenges of launching a disruptive brand, and the lessons he's learned along the way. Aplos Website: https://www.aplos.world/ Aplos IG: https://www.instagram.com/aplos.world/ David IG:  https://www.instagram.com/davidfudge/ Famous Party in the USA music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ezfk7s1NyY Thank you to our sponsor dash.fi ! Dash.Fi provides businesses with a card product that allows you to scale your advertising campaigns: Daily limits up to $3M a day Flawless card authorisation due to our Mastercard backing. Up to 3% cashback on all of your digital advertising spend. 3% cashback and 5.3% APY. Net 60 card to extend payment terms at 1% fee Thank you also to our sponsor, The Big Favorite! The Big Favorite provides simple, versatile, and plastic-free pima cotton base layers that empower you to prioritize you.  The Big Favorite website: https://thebigfavorite.com/ The Big Favorite IG: @thebigfavorite Follow us on IG @thesaymorepodcast / Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast Isabelle’s IG: @theplantiful El’s IG: @the_elturner

Join us for an insightful conversation with Erica Anderson and Ingrid Nilsen, the co-founders of The New Savant. Erica brings her extensive experience from working as an early employee and changemaker at Twitter and Google, while Ingrid draws on her successful career as an OG YouTube creator. Together, they create unique, artisanal fragrances that bring comfort and joy to everyday moments. Learn about their inspiration, the creative process behind their one-of-a-kind scents, and their vision for the future. The New Savant website: https://thenewsavant.com/ The New Savant IG: https://www.instagram.com/thenewsavant Thank you to our sponsor dash.fi ! Dash.Fi provides businesses with a card product that allows you to scale your advertising campaigns: Daily limits up to $3M a day Flawless card authorisation due to our Mastercard backing. Up to 3% cashback on all of your digital advertising spend. 3% cashback and 5.3% APY. Net 60 card to extend payment terms at 1% fee Thank you also to our sponsor, The Big Favorite! The Big Favorite provides simple, versatile, and plastic-free pima cotton base layers that empower you to prioritize you.  The Big Favorite website: https://thebigfavorite.com/ The Big Favorite IG: @thebigfavorite Follow us on IG @thesaymorepodcast / Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast Isabelle’s IG: @theplantiful El’s IG: @the_elturner

Today we welcome Ryan Babenzien on the show. He’s a visionary entrepreneur who has revolutionized not one, but two industries. First, he took the footwear world by storm with Greats, the first digitally native sneaker brand, which he successfully sold to Steve Madden. Now, he’s making waves in the beauty and wellness sector with Jolie Skin, a brand that’s redefining how we think about water purity and its impact on our skin and hair. Ryan’s journey from managing clients at ICM Partners to founding and scaling two groundbreaking companies is nothing short of remarkable. In this episode, we’ll dive into his entrepreneurial journey, the challenges he’s faced, and who Ryan, the human, is behind all the successes. Jolie website: https://jolieskinco.com/ Jolie IG account: https://www.instagram.com/jolieskinco/ Ryan’s IG account: https://www.instagram.com/ryanbbabenzien Thank you to our sponsor dash.fi! Dash.Fi provides businesses with a card product that allows you to scale your advertising campaigns: Daily limits up to $3M a day Flawless card authorisation due to our Mastercard backing. Up to 3% cashback on all of your digital advertising spend. 3% cashback and 5.3% APY. Net 60 card to extend payment terms at 1% fee Thank you also to our sponsor, The Big Favorite! The Big Favorite provides simple, versatile, and plastic-free pima cotton base layers that empower you to prioritize you. The Big Favorite website: https://thebigfavorite.com/ The Big Favorite IG: @thebigfavorite Follow us on IG @thesaymorepodcast / Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast Isabelle’s IG: @theplantiful El’s IG: @the_elturner

Welcome to the Say More podcast! In our first episode, we dive into our personal backgrounds: El’s journey from fashion to co-founding Argent and launching The Big Favorite in 2020, and Isabelle’s path from tech to food, culminating in the creation of Lupii in 2019. This episode is a candid exploration of what drives us, the challenges we’ve faced, and how we’ve overcome them. We also discuss the inspiration behind starting the Say More Podcast, focusing on the “why” behind entrepreneurial success. Join us for an exciting first season with inspiring guests who embrace vulnerability and honesty. The Big Favorite website: https://thebigfavorite.com/ The Big Favorite IG: @thebigfavorite Follow us on IG @thesaymorepodcast / Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast Isabelle’s IG: @theplantiful El’s IG: @the_elturner Thank you to our sponsor dash.fi ! Dash.Fi provides businesses with a card product that allows you to scale your advertising campaigns: Daily limits up to $3M a day Flawless card authorisation due to our Mastercard backing. Up to 3% cashback on all of your digital advertising spend. 3% cashback and 5.3% APY. Net 60 card to extend payment terms at 1% fee

Say More is a podcast that delves into the 'why' behind successful entrepreneurs and creators. We believe true success stems from aligning personal passion, skills, and goals with your business, not just tactical execution. In interviews, we go beyond just building a business to explore the hearts and minds of founders, builders, and creators to prove our hypothesis and establish the throughlines of success and longevity. Follow us on Instagram @thesaymorepodcast Follow us on Tiktok @thesaymorepodcast