Song Revolution with John Chisum

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3, Episode 4 Episode Title: Galen Crew: To China with Love Host: John Chisum   Special Guest: Galen Crew, Singer-Songwriter and Producer   Episode Highlights: Meet Galen Crew: Nashville-raised artist and songwriter with an inspiring global reach. Viral success in China, with over a billion streams across his catalog. Collaboration with legendary British songwriter Roger Cook, known for “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.” The Road to Music City: Growing up in Franklin, Tennessee, surrounded by the Christian music scene. Early songwriting inspired by personal experiences, including his parents' divorce. Crafting a Unique Musical Identity: Fusing fantasy, fairy tale, and mythological themes into his music. Inspirations from Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and Hermann Hesse. The journey from a local rock band to a solo artist with global appeal. Going Viral in China: The unexpected success of “Sleepy Head” on Chinese music platforms like NetEase and Tencent. Navigating international music markets and learning to connect with a diverse audience. Touring China, performing for dedicated fans, and bridging cultural gaps with music and language. Collaborations and Mentorship: The serendipitous connection with Roger Cook through Galen’s grandfather. Writing and producing songs like “Sleepy Head” with Roger Cook. Learning the art of storytelling in songwriting. Lessons for Songwriters: Embracing creativity and authenticity in your music. Encouragement to step out of your comfort zone and share your unique voice. Exploring global opportunities and being open to unexpected paths.   Key Takeaways: Music transcends borders, with the potential to connect with audiences worldwide. Authenticity in your art can carve new lanes beyond traditional industry expectations. Leveraging the digital age to expand your reach is more accessible than ever.   Featured Tracks: Sleepy Head – A viral hit in China with a whimsical, fairy-tale theme. Explore Galen Crew’s music on Spotify, NetEase, and other platforms.   Get Involved: Check out Galen Crew’s music and follow his inspiring journey. Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and inspiration to revolutionize your songwriting. Download the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge Guide to take your craft to the next level.   Next Week’s Episode: Celebrating the power of community and collaboration in songwriting with a special guest from the Nashville scene. Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!  

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3, Episode 3 Episode Title: John Chisum: Discovering Your Hidden Songwriting Genius Host: John Chisum   Episode Highlights: Celebrating a Decade of Songwriting Excellence: Reflecting on 10 years of Nashville Christian Songwriters (NCS) and 42 years in Christian music for John Chisum. Announcement of the 30th-anniversary edition of "Firm Foundation," set for release this month. 2025 Songwriting Challenge: A free year-long program to help Christian songwriters develop one new skill per month. Includes monthly free training sessions, resources, and a downloadable guide. Encouragement to set a "giant intention" for songwriting growth this year. Discovering Your Songwriting Zone of Genius: Insights inspired by Gay Hendricks' book The Big Leap. Identifying whether you're a producer, lyricist, technician, or big idea person. Strategies for maximizing strengths and collaborating to address weaknesses. Community and Coaching Opportunities: Overview of NCS programs, including one-on-one coaching, group coaching, and artist development programs. Introduction to the NCS Collective, a record label supporting emerging Christian songwriters. Music Showcase: Sneak peeks of music produced through the NCS Collective, including "Mighty God" featuring Kobe James and "You Are The One" by Bonnie Barbet. Examples of world-class music from songwriters empowered by NCS coaching programs. Practical Songwriting Advice: Avoiding common mistakes like premature production of underdeveloped songs. Understanding the importance of proper song form and market readiness. Encouragement to invest in personal growth as a songwriter.   Key Takeaways: Discovering and focusing on your songwriting strengths will lead to more impactful music. Developing skills and collaborating within a supportive community can elevate your craft. Time will pass regardless; use it to grow and fulfill your God-given calling as a songwriter.   Get Involved: Download the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge Guide from the show notes. Join the NCS Community for weekly coaching and resources to revolutionize your songwriting journey. Explore the NCS Collective and listen to inspiring music from Christian songwriters.   Next Week's Episode: Special guest: Galen Crew, a songwriter with over a billion streams in China, shares his creative journey.   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters and creatives.

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3, Episode 2 Episode Title: Leanna Crawford: God and Goat Yoga Hosts: John Chisum   Special Guest: Leanna Crawford, Christian music artist and songwriter   Episode Highlights: Meet Leanna Crawford: Signed to Provident Music, Leanna's latest album, Still Waters, is inspired by faith, family, and life's experiences. She's toured with artists like 10th Avenue North, Michael W. Smith, and Matthew West and is making an impact not just through music but also through her partnership with Charity Water. The Heart Behind Still Waters: Exploring themes of faith, vulnerability, and personal growth. Stories behind key songs like "Simple" and "Still Waters." The balance between the spiritual and psychological aspects of life and songwriting. Leanna's Journey: Growing up on a horse farm in the Northwest, with early songwriting roots inspired by everyday experiences. How moving to Nashville shaped her artistry and opened doors in the music industry. Funny anecdotes like goat yoga and near misses with ATVs, showcasing her down-to-earth personality. Faith and Worship: Leanna reflects on her church background and how it influenced her approach to music and ministry. A deep dive into her creative process and how she keeps performances fresh for audiences across different cities. Spotlight on the Song "Simple": Lyrics that resonate deeply about God's grace and simplicity in faith. Insights into the songwriting process with co-writers Jason Houser and Clint Lagerberg. The personal and spiritual layers that inspired this heartfelt track. Live Performance: Leanna performs "Simple," offering an intimate look into the emotion and meaning behind the song. Key Takeaways: Vulnerability in songwriting allows for deeper connections with listeners. Acknowledge the intersection of spiritual and mental health in the journey of faith. Great songs come from authentic stories and experiences. Get Involved: Stream Still Waters by Leanna Crawford on your favorite platform. Learn more about her ministry and music on LeannaCrawford.com. Next Week's Episode: Discover your "Songwriting Zone of Genius" with John and Bryant. Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with someone passionate about music and faith!

Song Revolution Podcast - Season 3 Premiere Episode Title: John Chisum: “Getting Unstuck, Get a Plan, and Get Heard” Hosts: John Chisum Bryant Urich   Episode Highlights: Welcome to Season 3! A new year and a new season of Song Revolution. Overview of exciting plans for 2025, including interviews, teachings, and a 12-month songwriting challenge. Special Guests and Upcoming Highlights: Leanna Crawford, Galen Crew, and a revival episode featuring the group Out of Eden. Insights from songwriters with incredible journeys. The 12-Month Songwriting Challenge: A skill-focused journey: Learn one new songwriting skill each month. Free resources, including live training sessions, email guides, and practical insights. Designed for all songwriters—whether you're just starting or seasoned in your craft. Practical Tips for Songwriters: Develop intentionality and set realistic goals for your songwriting journey. Surround yourself with a supportive songwriting community. Strategies to share your songs strategically and seek meaningful feedback. The Importance of Craft: Balancing the spiritual inspiration of songwriting with practical skill-building. The value of writing compelling hooks, learning rhyme schemes, and receiving constructive feedback.   Key Takeaways: Success in songwriting requires patience, dedication, and a willingness to learn. Focus on creating songs that stand out, not just production value. A great song can shine even with a simple arrangement. "Make noise where you are, and people will find you." – Practical advice for indie artists from industry leaders.   Get Involved: Join the 2025 Songwriting Challenge: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Join the NCS Community: A worldwide network of Christian songwriters to inspire and grow your craft.   Next Week's Episode: Special Guest: Leanna Crawford shares her insights, music, and a unique perspective on faith and creativity.   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Social Media: Facebook | Instagram   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with a fellow songwriter!

Coby James is a singer, songwriter, guitarist, and part of one of Nashville’s most successful record labels, Centricity Music. On today’s episode, Coby and John talk about Coby’s relatively young but amazing career. They discuss Coby’s favorite superheroes, both in real life and in the Marvel Comics universe. Coby shares his biggest influences from the world of music. John asks about the uncertainty a 20-year old faces in these times and the episode concludes with Coby performing an acoustic version of the classic Mary Mary song ‘Shackles.’ HERE’S WHAT YOU’LL GET ON TODAY’S EPISODE 03:18 How Coby has “studied” John Mayer 05:01 Who is Coby’s favorite superhero and why 07:13 An out-of-body experience that Coby had on-stage 11:59 Who would Coby be if his music skills were taken away 14:00 What does the world look like to a 20-year-old right now 20:40 Coby shares what his experience was, as a kid, with Christ 24:52 John and Coby discuss about Coby’s song ‘Happier’ 32:13 What would Coby want his audience to take away from his songs 38: 46 Coby James performs ‘Shackles’ WE HOPE THIS SONGWRITING TIP HELPS YOU Coby says, “Vulnerability is the key to getting emotion. Being open and real about it all.” CONNECT WITH COBY JAMES Website - https://cobyjames.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/cobyjamesmusic/ Facebook -  https://www.facebook.com/cobyjamesmusic YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRxkB41rHYmUwLdM0UWZbJQ SoundCloud - https://soundcloud.com/cobyjamesmusic CONNECT WITH NASHVILLE CHRISTIAN SONGWRITERS Nashville Christian Songwriters - www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com  Kingdom Songwriter Academy - www.kingdomsongwritersacademy.com   Facebook - www.facebook.com/nashvillechristiansongwriters/  Instagram - www.instagram.com/nashvillechristiansongwriters/  Twitter - twitter.com/NCSsongwriters  SUBSCRIBE TO THE SONG REVOLUTION PODCAST Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/song-revolution-with-john-chisum/id1220274942 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6uIIh5kJrEjP6oxmJDKqHP If you liked this episode, please don’t forget to tune in, subscribe, and share this podcast! ABOUT THE SONG REVOLUTION PODCAST The Song Revolution Podcast exists to empower you through valuable songwriting insights, inspiration, and interviews with some of the greatest songwriters, producers, arrangers, artists, and creatives in the industry and beyond. Find out more at nashvillechristiansongwriters.co

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with acclaimed songwriter and worship leader Mia Fieldes, whose songs have been recorded by artists like Lauren Daigle, Zach Williams, Phil Wickham, Kim Walker-Smith, and many more. From growing up in poverty and seasons of homelessness to becoming one of the most prolific voices in modern worship, Mia shares how faith, perseverance, and gratitude have shaped her journey. With honesty and humor, she opens up about her songwriting process, contending for miracles, and the importance of stewarding your gifts with diligence.   What You’ll Learn: How Mia overcame early hardships and developed unshakable faith. Why gratitude is a key to unlocking God’s promises. The story behind writing Chain Breaker with Zach Williams. Why being a specialist is vital for songwriters. How to balance inspiration, discipline, and co-writing partnerships. Why faith should sometimes feel “offensive” in a culture of self-reliance.   Key Topics & Highlights: Gratitude as a lifestyle – learning to thank God as an access point to His promises. Developing your craft – why excellence and hard work matter more than talent alone. Writing from revelation – how songs like Fierce and Tremble were born from real-life moments and prayers. Faith as a muscle – how persevering through trials strengthens belief. Stewardship in songwriting – becoming a “specialist” rather than a generalist. Miracle stories – contending for healing, children, and breakthrough despite impossibility. The bigger calling – why your life mission goes beyond music and how to carry faith into every moment.   Final Takeaway: Mia’s story is a testimony of resilience, faith, and the power of stewarding your gifts well. Her journey reminds us that God can, He will, and He wants to—and that our agreement with His promises can change everything.     Resources & Links: Follow Mia Fieldes on Instagram  https://www.instagram.com/miafieldes/reels/?hl=en   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Does God Really Give You Songs?   Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich tackle one of the most frequently asked—and often misunderstood—questions among songwriters: Does God really give you songs?   As Nashville Christian Songwriters celebrates its 10th anniversary, John and Bryant reflect on thousands of conversations with writers over the years who have wrestled with this very idea. Together, they unpack the difference between divine inspiration and developed craft, the tension between personal meaning and commercial viability, and how comparison and expectations can distort the creative process.   With honesty and humor, John and Bryant explore how to honor inspiration while still doing the hard work of rewriting, editing, and learning the skills that make songs accessible, singable, and lasting.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why so many writers say, “God gave me this song” The difference between inspiration and craftsmanship How comparison with big-name writers can hinder your growth Why singability, hooks, and editing matter in songwriting The role of influence and platform in a song’s success Why humility and stewardship are essential for every songwriter   Key Topics & Highlights: John’s 3,000+ conversations with aspiring songwriters over 10 years The sensitive nature of claiming “God gave me this song” How inspiration often comes through our own skills, training, and background Why accessibility and clarity make songs “sticky” and memorable The influence of platforms like Hillsong, Bethel, and Chris Tomlin on worship music The difference between good songs and commercial songs Why one song can launch a ministry—but many songs may never leave your journal The importance of being open to rewriting and receiving feedback Why personal transformation through songwriting is as important as public impact   Final Takeaway: Yes, God does inspire songs—but inspiration alone doesn’t make you a great songwriter. True growth comes from humility, stewardship, and developing your craft so that the songs God births in you can reach and impact others.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: Claire Bacon, Bryant Urich, Chris Crenshaw, Kyle Kicker, and Jack Landis   Episode Title: STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover   Episode Summary: In this special episode of Song Revolution, the microphones are turned toward the Nashville Christian Songwriters staffas the team celebrates NCS’s upcoming 10-year anniversary. With John Chisum away on vacation, Claire, Bryant, Chris, Kyle, and Jack take over to share their stories, talk about their paths to NCS, and give listeners a glimpse of the unique personalities that make up the heart of the organization.   From music industry journeys and Springfield connections, to rapid-fire fun questions like “Is cereal a soup?”—this episode is equal parts insightful and entertaining. Along the way, the team reflects on their own defining moments in music, the role of community, and why they love serving songwriters through NCS.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How each NCS team member found their way into music and ministry The “Springfield theory” and why so many of the team come from a Springfield Defining moments that sparked a love for music and creativity How NCS serves songwriters through publishing, coaching, community, and production The highs and lows of today’s music industry and what the future may hold Lighthearted team banter, rapid-fire questions, and behind-the-scenes laughs   Key Topics & Highlights: Jack’s journey from interning at NCS to joining the team full-time Chris’s background as a youth pastor, event organizer, and touring drummer Claire’s path from Bethel Music and label work to NCS publishing and project management Kyle’s experiences as a worship pastor and band member before moving to Nashville Bryant’s early Nashville days, publishing insights, and role in building the NCS community The Springfield, Ohio/Missouri connection and its surprising role in the team’s stories Honest reflections on the realities of today’s streaming-driven music business Fun debates: doors vs. wheels, cereal as soup, and musician pet peeves   Final Takeaway: Behind every great song is a community of people who believe in its potential. The NCS team exists to serve, support, and encourage songwriters from all walks of life, proving that creativity thrives best in connection.   Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes back singer-songwriter, producer, and filmmaker Andrew Greer for another deep and thought-provoking conversation. From literature and scripture to mysticism, minimalism, and music, John and Andrew explore how faith, creativity, and a posture of humility shape our art and our lives.   Andrew shares about his move from Nashville to the small town of Plains, Georgia, and how a slower pace has opened up new margins for community and creativity. Together they wrestle with ideas of certainty, control, and judgment in faith, drawing wisdom from mystics, the Civil Rights Movement, and Andrew’s latest record, Songs from the Dark. If you’ve ever struggled with doubt, wrestled with control, or wondered how to connect your spiritual life more deeply to your art, this conversation is for you.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode Why Andrew believes books and literature fuel creativity and songwriting How mystics like Thomas Merton and Meister Eckhart influence faith and art The danger of certainty in faith and how doubt actually strengthens belief Lessons from the Civil Rights Movement on humility, justice, and love Andrew’s songwriting process behind Songs from the Dark The power of laying down judgment and control to live in freedom   Key Topics & Highlights Books & Spiritual Reading Andrew and John discuss the influence of authors like Thomas Merton, Mother Teresa, NT Wright, and Richard Foster. The value of memoirs and literature in opening perspectives beyond scripture alone. Scripture itself as mystery and mysticism, especially in the Gospels and books of wisdom. Mysticism & Faith The infinite nature of God and our being—living forever as an endless journey of discovery. Faith as uncertainty and openness rather than rigid certainty. Letting go of control, judgment, and resistance to embrace communion with God and others. Justice, Prejudice & Love Reflections on the Civil Rights Movement and Andrew Young’s example of radical love. Loving our enemies as a revolutionary act of following Jesus. Challenging cultural and religious biases that distort the Gospel’s radical call to love. Creativity & Inspiration How reading literature and scripture fuels songwriting and artistic expression. Music as communion with God, often born out of darkness, mystery, and unknowing. Andrew’s latest album Songs from the Dark, including tracks “Rescue Me” and “Hands,” which emerged from conflict, grief, and the pandemic. Suffering, Presence & Surrender John shares his heart attack experience and practicing “being with the pain” instead of resisting it. The grace of letting go of resistance and shame, allowing God’s presence even in suffering.   Final Thought This conversation reminds us that faith and creativity both thrive in openness, mystery, and surrender—not certainty or control. Whether through books, music, or life’s hardest experiences, God continually invites us into deeper communion, where judgment gives way to love, and darkness can give birth to unexpected light.     Resources & Links: Connect with Andrew Greer:  andrew-greer.com    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Inside Music Publishing   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum is joined by Claire Bacon and Bryant Urich from the NCS team for a lively and practical discussion on music publishing. Together, they break down the difference between creative and administrative publishing, share behind-the-scenes stories from Claire’s time at Bethel Music, and explore how co-writing, retreats, and publishing support can shape a songwriter’s career.   The conversation also dives into the DIY side of publishing—what it means to take control of your rights and royalties, how to avoid getting lost in the sea of mediocre songs released every day, and why honing your craft is essential if you want to stand out.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between creative and administrative publishing Why pairing the right writers together makes or breaks a song Stories from Claire’s experience interning at Bethel Music The role of writing retreats and camps in developing strong songs How to DIY your publishing if you don’t have a company backing you Why focusing on quality and intentionality helps your songs stand out   Key Topics & Highlights: Claire’s journey from MTSU to Bethel Music to NCS The matchmaking side of creative publishing and how it shapes songwriting sessions How NCS retreats create powerful co-writing opportunities The challenge of standing out among millions of songs released each year Avoiding vague lyrics and writing with genre and purpose in mind Favorite songwriters and the impact of writers like Mia Fieldes, Cody Carnes, and Benjamin William Hastings   Final Takeaway: Music publishing is more than contracts and royalties—it’s about connection, collaboration, and ensuring your songs have the best chance to thrive. Whether through a publisher or by learning the DIY path, understanding the business side of songwriting is just as important as mastering the craft.   Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling   Host: John Chisum   Episode Summary: In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God.   Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and “secular” art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God. This first part of the interview also explores Andrew’s reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Andrew’s early encounter with music and its connection to faith How music serves as collaboration with our Creator The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives Why songwriting is about more than “Christian” or “secular” categories How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance Andrew’s insights on the indie music landscape and why it’s a great time for creators   Key Topics & Highlights: The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point Stories from Andrew’s journey at Belmont University and launching into music Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas   Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong.     Resources & Links:   Explore Andrew Greer’s work:  https://www.andrew-greer.com/    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Music Publishing in 2025   Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution continues with a practical and eye-opening conversation on one of the most misunderstood topics in the music industry: publishing. Hosts John Chisum, Claire Bacon, and Bryant Urich break down what publishing really means in 2025, how it has changed from the traditional gatekeeper model of the past, and why understanding it is essential for every songwriter.   From copyright protection to royalty collection, from self-publishing to partnering with a publisher, this episode offers clarity and encouragement to help you take control of your songs and your future. If you’ve ever wondered whether you need a publisher, how to register your songs, or how to build the right relationships in the industry, this discussion will give you practical steps forward.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between copyright and publishing How publishing has evolved from gatekeepers to digital access The two sides of publishing: administration vs. creative development Why many songwriters choose self-publishing today What publishers actually do for songwriters How to know if you’re ready for a publishing deal Why relationships matter more than cold submissions How to find community and connection no matter where you live   Key Topics and Highlights: John’s early Nashville days and the old gatekeeper model of publishing Claire’s experience developing writers and matching them in the right rooms Bryant’s perspective on band publishing and handling royalties as a group The importance of building your own foundation before seeking a publisher How marketing and publishing have become two separate tracks Practical steps every songwriter can take on their own: registering songs, networking, showcasing your work, and learning the basics of copyright   Memorable Quotes from the Episode: “Copyright is about protection. Publishing is about getting your song out there.” “A publisher’s job is to elevate what you’re already doing—not create it for you.” “So much of making music today is DIY, and that’s a good thing.” “Publishing isn’t just about royalties—it’s about relationships.”   Final Takeaway: You don’t need a publisher to get started, but you do need to understand publishing. By learning the basics, building relationships, and developing your craft, you’ll be ready when the right opportunities come.   Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum   Episode Title: MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice   Episode Summary: In this heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down in Moab, Utah, with emerging singer-songwriter Madalyn Rose to talk about her journey through personal loss, rebuilding her life, and finding healing through songwriting. From her Montana roots to worship leading in Colorado, Madalyn shares how grief, forgiveness, and faith have shaped both her music and her outlook on life.   The conversation dives deep into the stories behind her songs, including “See What Grows,” a reflection on the power of letting go, and “Who You Leave Behind,” written for her church’s legacy series. With honesty and warmth, Madalyn recounts pivotal moments—like singing with Allen Stone at the Heaven on Earth Festival—that affirmed her calling and opened unexpected doors.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How personal tragedy can shape songwriting and deepen artistry Why forgiveness is key to emotional and spiritual freedom The backstory of “See What Grows” and “Who You Leave Behind” How to stay open to God’s leading in creative and personal decisions The role of community and connection in sustaining an artist’s journey Why saying “yes” to small promptings can lead to life-changing moments   Key Topics and Highlights: Navigating the loss of her mother and the breakdown of her marriage in the same season Choosing forgiveness over bitterness and the spiritual transformation it sparked The inspiration and meaning behind “See What Grows” How a leap of faith at the Heaven on Earth Festival led to performing with Allen Stone Balancing worship leading, songwriting, and motherhood The story of receiving a dream guitar through an unexpected act of generosity Trusting God to weave together opportunities and connections in His timing   Quotes from the Episode: “Forgiveness is the only path to freedom we have.” “I didn’t mean it when I said it, but the Lord started doing a work in my heart.” “God saved me from building up walls.”   Final Takeaway: Your story, no matter how painful, can become a song that touches others. By choosing forgiveness, staying tenderhearted, and following God’s quiet nudges, you open the door for beauty to grow from brokenness.   Resources & Links:   Follow Madalyn Rose on Instagram: @iammadalynrose Listen to Madalyn’s music on Spotify & Apple Music under Madalyn Rose https://linktr.ee/madalynnrosemusic      NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Time, Tithe, and Talent   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum and Bryant Urich shift the focus inward to explore what it really means to be a songwriter in today’s world. Beyond writing lyrics and melodies, this conversation is about discovering the deeper motivations that drive your creative work—your identity, purpose, and the integrity behind the songs you share.   John and Bryant discuss the pressures that come with songwriting in the Christian space, the temptation to chase trends, and the challenge of staying spiritually grounded in the process. With honest stories and practical insight, they offer encouragement to writers at any stage—whether you’re just getting started or trying to reignite your creative spark.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why songwriting is as much about spiritual formation as it is about craft How to stay connected to your purpose when writing gets hard The danger of creating to be seen or validated by others Why your identity must be rooted in something deeper than public approval How personal growth leads to stronger, more honest songs Why songwriting is a long game that rewards consistency and humility   Key Topics and Highlights: The internal conflict many songwriters face between calling and performance Why it’s okay to take breaks when creativity feels dry John’s reflections on mentoring writers through burnout and self-doubt Bryant’s experience rediscovering joy in the process of writing, not just releasing The power of writing songs that minister to you before they minister to others Letting go of perfectionism and pressure to produce commercial work Writing from a place of wholeness instead of striving The value of community, coaching, and trusted feedback in your journey   Final Takeaway: Your songs matter—but not because of streams, charts, or recognition. They matter because they’re a reflection of your story, your journey, and your willingness to be honest with God and others. When you write from that place, the impact will follow.       Resources & Links:    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum   Guest: Dan Dean   Episode Title: DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean   Episode Summary: In this powerful and heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Dan Dean—one-third of the legendary trio Phillips, Craig & Dean—to explore a decades-long career marked by timeless songs, deep-rooted ministry, and a newly released solo album, More. From early cassette recordings to leading worship across the globe, Dan opens up about perseverance, songwriting, the power of legacy, and why he’s more inspired than ever to keep creating.   What You’ll Hear: Dan’s early journey from solo artist to founding member of Phillips, Craig & Dean Behind-the-scenes stories from their 30+ year career and 14 studio albums How one heartfelt war-time promise shaped generations of ministry The spiritual and emotional layers behind Dan’s new solo album, More A father-son duet and the family legacy of faith through music Why beloved songs like “Crucified with Christ” and “Revelation Song” still resonate Words of encouragement for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders   Featured Songs from More: “More” – A song of hope written during the isolation of COVID “Home” – A heartfelt duet with Dan’s son, Devin Dean “Mother of Boys” – Inspired by a poem written by Dan’s mom “Never Gets Old” – A touching reflection on the unchanging power of Scripture Notable Quotes: “God always has more of what you need.” “You want to hear the songs that brought some kind of emotional or spiritual impact in your life.” “The power of one man’s decision can impact generations.” “It wasn’t always easy, but we were faithful to the call.”     Resources & Links:   Connect with Dan Dean: https://www.dandeanofficial.com/   Follow Dan on Instagram: @danpcd   NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Want to Be a Christian Artist?   Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution kicks off with a powerful conversation between hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich about what it truly means to pursue a calling as a Christian artist. Reflecting on their recent experience at the Heaven on Earth Festival in Moab, Utah, they share personal stories, hard truths, and practical encouragement for artists who feel called to create for the Kingdom.   This episode is about more than music. It’s about authenticity, obedience, and learning to start where you are. Whether you're a worship leader, an indie singer-songwriter, or simply exploring your creative gifts, John and Bryant challenge you to examine your motivation, clarify your calling, and step forward in faith—no matter your stage or platform.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why “becoming” is more important than “arriving” in your artist journey The difference between creating art from identity vs. seeking identity through art How to start from where you are, without needing to impress or perform Why your story is your greatest songwriting asset How comparison, insecurity, and external validation can derail your calling The importance of community and mentorship in your creative development Why Christian artistry must be rooted in spiritual obedience, not metrics or success   Key Topics and Highlights: Takeaways from the Heaven on Earth Festival: worship, storytelling, and deep connection The false pressure to look like a “real artist” before you actually become one John’s reflections on his Integrity Music years and what has changed since Bryant’s honest experience stepping into live performance and finding freedom The sacredness of your story and how it shapes the songs you write What Christian artists must understand about calling, identity, and surrender How coaching, development, and trusted community make a measurable difference A preview of what’s coming in Season 3 of the podcast   Final Takeaway: Success in Christian music isn’t about being famous. It’s about being faithful. The journey of becoming an artist starts with showing up, stewarding your story, and letting God shape the outcome.   Resources & Links:   Listen to Eauclaire’s music! https://linktr.ee/eauclaire    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: Bryant Urich Guest: Justin Gambino Episode Title: JUSTIN GAMBINO: Turning Trials into Testimony Episode Summary: In one of the most powerful episodes of Song Revolution to date, host Bryant Urich sits down with recording artist and worship leader Justin Gambino, who shares his raw and redemptive life story—from addiction and criminal charges at age 18, to leading worship in Iraq, to becoming a full-time touring Christian artist.   Raised in church and homeschooled in small-town Texas, Justin began his musical journey strumming his Bible as a boy, only to spiral into a destructive lifestyle during his teenage years. A run-in with the law, followed by a choice between prison and military service, led him to the Navy—and eventually to Iraq, where God quite literally put the guitar back in his hands.   This episode traces Justin’s powerful transformation, the birth of his music career, and the spiritual awakening that reignited his faith. His 2023 album Made New and the ongoing annual revival in his hometown are living proof of God’s faithfulness and redemption.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How Justin went from addiction and theft to leading worship in Iraq Why his first deployment became the turning point in his spiritual journey The role of music in reconnecting with God during his darkest season How COVID-19 shutdowns helped him rediscover his purpose What it means to truly surrender your platform and calling to God The incredible story behind the founding of a county-wide revival in the same courthouse where he once stood trial   Key Moments: 03:00 – Justin’s musical roots and discovering Christian music 10:00 – Addiction, brokenness, and being arrested at 18 13:00 – Choosing military service over a felony conviction 18:00 – Feeling lost in Iraq and reconnecting with God through worship 23:00 – Leading worship for fellow soldiers and rebuilding faith 29:00 – Going full-time in music and launching his career 35:00 – Falling into complacency and chasing popularity in Christian music 39:00 – The spiritual breakthrough during COVID that inspired Made New 43:00 – The full-circle moment of leading worship on the courthouse steps 47:00 – Launching an annual revival and walking in true purpose   Closing Thought: Justin’s story is a reminder that no matter how far you've fallen, God is still writing your story—and sometimes He puts the guitar back in your hands just when you think the music is over.   Resources & Links:   Listen to Justin Gambino’s album Made New on all streaming platforms Follow Justin on Instagram: @justingambinomusic Learn more at justingambino.com    NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: Mapping Your Next Steps in Music Making   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich continue their deep dive into what it means to build a career in the current music landscape. They break down how the music business has radically changed in recent years, why anyone can now record and distribute music, and what that means for artists trying to rise above the noise.   John and Bryant also get practical, discussing how to identify your “why,” set realistic goals, and map out the next right steps for your music. From learning the craft to investing wisely in production and marketing, they highlight the common pitfalls and the importance of not rushing into expensive projects before your songs are truly ready.   Drawing on stories from artists like Howard Gripp and Katrina Pacheco, they demonstrate how patience, coaching, and strategic planning lead to long-term success. They also stress why building your skills and your message is essential before stepping into the studio or pursuing larger platforms.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How streaming, technology, and user-generated content have transformed the music industry Why quality matters more than ever in a market saturated with average songs The crucial role of understanding your mission and message as an artist Practical examples of artists who took time to develop before seeing breakthroughs How to wisely approach production, avoid common traps, and make your money count The benefits of mentorship, coaching, and being part of a creative community   Key Topics and Highlights: The democratization of music: anyone can now produce and release songs, for better or worse Why thousands of songs on Spotify never get a single play—and how to stand out How to clarify your “why” so you can create music with clear purpose and focus Real-world examples of artists who spent years developing before landing record deals or large ministry opportunities Why rushing into the studio often backfires and how to avoid wasting money on songs that aren’t ready The role of producers in shaping an authentic sound that fits both your message and your audience How NCS helps artists and songwriters at every stage, from first drafts to full-scale releases   Practical Next Steps Discussed: Write consistently to hone your craft before anything else Record simple demos to capture ideas and start shaping your sound Seek out honest feedback and coaching to strengthen your writing Decide whether to produce yourself or hire a producer—and how to choose wisely Build a plan around your first professional recording rather than jumping in blind Understand that making it in music is a long process that requires patience, investment, and strategic growth   Final Takeaway: No matter your age, background, or level of experience, the most important thing is to keep growing in your songwriting, stay clear on your mission, and take the next right step—without skipping the foundation that will make your music truly impactful.   Get Involved: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective - Check out the artists we’re working with! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum Special Guest: Chris Weinberg Episode Title: CHRIS WEINBERG: Build a Business For Your Music Episode Summary: This week on Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Chris Weinberg, a top business and performance coach who has worked with Fortune 500 executives, artists, entertainment companies, and entrepreneurs. As someone who has helped creative professionals turn their passion into a sustainable business, Chris shares valuable insights on what it takes to monetize your music career.   If you’re a songwriter, independent artist, or creative professional trying to navigate the business side of music, this episode is packed with real-world strategies to help you structure your success. Chris breaks down his four pillars for a thriving business—People, Sales, Profit, and Self—and explains why balancing these elements is crucial for any artist looking to grow their career.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between coaching and consulting—and why both matter How to think like a CEO of your own music career Why artists struggle with the business side of music—and how to overcome it The four essential pillars of business success: People, Sales, Profit & Self How to build multiple revenue streams as a songwriter and musician Practical steps to monetize your music and develop your brand   Key Moments: [03:03] – Chris Weinberg’s journey into coaching & working with creatives [05:52] – Coaching vs. consulting: What’s the difference? [08:27] – The biggest challenges creative people face in business [13:12] – Why successful artists need business coaching [19:08] – Breaking down the four pillars of success [26:07] – The mindset shift: Treating your music as a business, not a hobby [32:52] – The value of investing in coaching for long-term growth [37:09] – Final takeaways: Why you need a plan for success   Get Involved: Check out what Chris is doing at Well Coached https://www.wellcoachedconsulting.com/   NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!

Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich   Episode Title: How Music Works Now   Episode Summary: In this kickoff episode for July, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich reflect on the first half of 2025 and introduce the month’s focus: understanding how the music industry works today. They explore the challenges and changes facing songwriters and artists, especially those operating outside traditional industry systems. From redefining what “making it” means to embracing the calling of songwriting at every level, this episode delivers both practical insight and encouragement for Christian creatives.   John and Bryant share lessons from their own journeys, reflect on standout moments from past guests, and unpack why success looks different for everyone—from indie artists like Jason Lovins and Justin Gambino to songwriters working quietly at home. The conversation highlights the importance of obedience, daily faithfulness, and allowing God to shape your creative path—one step at a time.   What You’ll Learn in This Episode: - How the definition of “success” in music has evolved - Why comparison is one of the biggest creativity killers - What it takes to build a career in today’s indie music economy - Why obedience and consistency are more valuable than overnight success - How NCS is helping songwriters at every stage of their journey - Practical resources to understand the business side of music   Key Moments: - Reflecting on standout episodes and guests from 2025 so far - Why the indie artist model is more relevant than ever - Breaking down the myth of “overnight fame” - How John rebuilt his music career at age 58 - The power of obedience in creative and career decisions  -Why your journey is valid—no matter what stage you're in  -Resources and book recommendations for navigating the music business - A preview of upcoming episodes on building a business and mapping your next steps   Recommended Resources: - How to Make It in the New Music Business by Ari Herstand - How to Make a Living in the Music Business by Vince Wilcox - NCS Free Monthly Training – First Monday of each month - NCS Community for coaching, connection, and weekly support - Upcoming NCS Songwriting Retreat: October 16–18, 2025   Take the Next Step: Whether you're a hobbyist, a worship leader, or a developing artist, NCS has tools to help you grow. From free resources to deep-dive coaching, you’re invited to take one step forward on your songwriting journey. Visit nashvillechristiansongwriters.com to learn more, explore our library of past podcast episodes, and access everything from blogs to artist development programs.   Get Involved: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today!  https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/   NCS Collective - Check out the artists we’re working with! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/   Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com   Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!