The CMO Whisperer

The CMO Whisperer, hosted by former Forbes writer Steve Olenski, is dedicated to those who keep it real in AND out of the world of marketing. From others in the C-suite to agency leaders to editors of publications to athletes to entertainsers and on and on, this show is for them and about them.

Marketing Superintelligence Unlocked - Amin Mrini & Henry Innis

My guests today are two leaders who are reshaping how marketing makes decisions in the age of AI. Henry, or his close friends and pretty much everybody calls him, Hen, is the co-founder and CEO of Mutinex, the company behind Theseus AI. It's built on a simple belief that measurement should be continuous, transparent, and tied to real business decisions, not quarterly reporting cycles and guest work decks. My other guest is Amin Mrini, who is the Chief Digital Officer for Lions & WARC, where he connects the dots between strategy, media, and the fastest-moving part of modern marketing - the moment where brand, product, and purchase collapse into a single action. Together, they are building what they are calling, "marketing super intelligence" combining global benchmarks with real-time modeling to give the C-suite something marketing has been chasing for decades, a shared truth. It's the kind finance believes the boardroom uses and marketing can act on tomorrow morning, not in six months. We're going to dig into what Marketing Superintelligence unlocks and how it changes the relationship between marketing, finance, and decision making inside business.

12-15
45:40

Brand with Backbone - Matt Sutton

My guest this week is Matt Sutton, SVP and head of marketing at Columbia Sportswear, a leader who thrives on tough challenges and new terrain. With 15 years across agency, brand and platform side marketing, Matt's led global teams, own P &Ls north of 700 million and driven growth across apparel, jewelry and home goods. His superpower? Solving brand problems end-to-end, rethinking everything from CRM and brand identity to channel mix and digital transformation. His work has been featured in Adweek, CNBC, TechCrunch, and the New York Times. And he's advised leaders at American Express, Geico, P&G, Expedia, and Nissan on how to turn marketing into momentum.

12-12
33:13

Turning Tech into Truth - Karen Kaukol

On this episode of CMO Whisperer, Steve talks to Karen Kaukol, CMO of Entrust, about how AI is transforming both cybersecurity threats and defenses, how digital identity has evolved beyond physical credentials, and why marketers must balance frictionless experiences with rigorous security. Karen also breaks down the importance of simplifying complex technology for diverse global audiences and building trust through transparency and responsible data use.They also cover:● How AI accelerates fraud through deepfakes and voice clones and how it can also be used to detect and prevent it● The shift from physical to digital identity, and why both will continue to coexist● Leadership lessons on listening, empowering teams, and creating space for risk-taking and experimentationIf you want to know more about the future of digital identity, AI’s role in trust and security, and how to communicate complex tech in human-centered ways, you definitely need to hear this episode.

12-05
34:53

Building Brands That Move - Jason John

My guest this week is Jason John, a seasoned marketing leader and entrepreneur who has spent his career at the crossroads of culture and digital innovation. Jason has served as CMO at 1-800-Flowers.com and Publishers Clearing House, and he has held senior marketing roles at several iconic retail and lifestyle brands, including J.Crew and Martha Stewart, where he led large-scale digital transformation and customer growth.He was also part of Gilt Groupe during the height of the flash-sale era, helping drive triple-digit growth and contributing to the development of one of the first scaled mobile e-commerce apps. And because that wasn’t enough, Jason recently launched True North Group, a venture that brings together brands, athletes, and communities through premium live experiences and purpose-driven partnerships.Known for blending data, creativity, and cultural insight, Jason is passionate about harnessing AI, performance marketing, and purpose-driven storytelling to build movements—not just campaigns.

11-28
37:35

Branding After .com - Rachel Sterling

My guest this week is Rachel Sterling,  Chief Marketing Officer at Identity Digital.Rachel leads global marketing with a focus on driving awareness and adoption of Identity Digital’s portfolio of top-level domains.Before stepping into her current role, she held senior leadership positions at Instagram, Twitter, and Google, where she built and scaled strategies across product marketing, integrated content, and events.From shaping how some of the world’s most iconic platforms connect with audiences to now redefining digital identity, Rachel brings a unique perspective on marketing’s evolving role in culture and technology.And here’s something I just discovered—Rachel is the only person to have served as Head of Product Marketing at both Instagram and Twitter.

11-21
30:48

Inside Adidas: Culture of Curiosity - Chris Murphy

My guest this week is Chris Murphy, Senior Vice President of Brand Marketing at Adidas North America. For over 20 years, Chris has been shaping the voice of one of the world’s most iconic sports brands. From building Adidas’s first global newsroom and forging early partnerships with Facebook and Twitter to leading the U.S. loyalty program from 12 to nearly 50 million members, Chris has been at the forefront of digital transformation in sport.Since stepping into his current role in 2022, he’s relaunched Impossible Is Nothing, produced the award-winning series Running While Black, launched the first NCAA student-athlete affiliate network, and brought the You Got This campaign to life with a high-profile debut on the Las Vegas Sphere during Super Bowl weekend.A lifelong believer that sport has the power to change lives, Chris focuses on creating marketing that feels personal while scaling globally.

11-14
32:37

Insight Meets Sustainability - Steve Phillips

My guest this week is Steve Phillips, CEO of Zappi and chair of the Mayor's Sustainability Council.He has been at the forefront of transforming the insights industry. Under his leadership, Zappi has pioneered AI-driven tools that help creators worldwide test, validate, and scale ideas—long before AI became mainstream. That doesn’t mean he’s old, by the way. Today, he’s doubling down on new models that unlock deeper value from research data.He’s also the coauthor of The Consumer Insights Revolution: Transforming Market Research for Competitive Advantage, written with Ryan Barry, former president of Zappi, and PepsiCo leaders Stefan Gans and Kate Sharp. The book provides organizations with a blueprint for becoming truly customer-centric by anticipating shifts in behavior before they happen.Beyond innovation, Steve is passionate about building a sustainable future for the insights industry—ensuring it grows in ways that serve both businesses and the planet. What a novel idea.His global perspective, shaped by working across four continents, combined with his award-winning work in behavioral economics, has earned him recognition from the European Society for Opinion and Marketing Research, the Market Research Society, the Advertising Research Foundation, and many more.Simply put, Steve is an innovator, author, and sustainability champion who is redefining what insights can—and should—be.

11-07
30:00

Marketing Is Not a Line Item - Bill Harper

My guest this week is Bill Harper, a guy who's been building brands longer than most people have been talking about branding. He's the Chief Creative Officer/CEO of BrandBossHQ , his fifth agency, where he helps businesses find the story that actually scales.Bill has worked with more than 300 brands, helped drive over $2.5 billion — that’s with a B — in new revenue, and built a playbook that small and mid-sized companies can use to punch way above their weight, just like the Fortune 1000 do.He's got the receipts, the results, and the reps. And today, he's dropping the kind of brand wisdom you don't Google — you earn.

10-31
35:03

Marketing With a Soul - Alan Bethke & Matthew Bershadker

Last time, Alan Bethke, SVP of Marketing at Subaru of America, joined me on the show. We talked about the heart of Subaru’s “Love” campaign and why this brand has such a unique emotional connection with its customers. If you missed that episode, definitely go back and listen — though not yet, after this one. It’s truly one of the most memorable conversations I’ve had.Today, I’m thrilled to have Alan back — but this time, he’s not alone. Joining him is Matthew Bershadker, President and CEO of the ASPCA. Not only that, we’re recording live at Subaru headquarters in Camden, New Jersey.Subaru of America and the ASPCA have been partners for 17 years. Subaru is the ASPCA’s largest corporate sponsor, donating more than $41 million over the years.That support has helped rescue, treat, transport, and rehome more than a quarter of a million animals across the U.S.Every October, more than 600 Subaru retailers team up with local shelters to host adoption events — sometimes right inside their showrooms — as part of the Subaru Loves Pets program.Through it, they cover adoption fees, provide supplies, and make sure people leave ready to be the best pet parents they can be.This year alone, Subaru and its retailers will provide over $3 million in direct funding through ASPCA grants to prepare animals for adoption.Together, they shine the spotlight on overlooked underdogs — senior dogs and those with special needs — even creating National Make a Dog’s Day on October 22nd, a day to celebrate and adopt those dogs who are often left behind.With all that in mind, it’s going to be an amazing conversation.

10-24
47:48

From ROI to Relationships - Tifenn Dano Kwan

My guest this week is Tifenn Dano Kwan, Chief Marketing Officer at Amplitude.Tifenn’s mission as a data-driven leader is to shape the future of work through superior digital experiences, great teams, and technology that customers love. What a novel idea.At Amplitude, she drives global marketing strategy and leads a team focused on helping organizations thrive in the digital era.Her career includes CMO roles at Collibra—hopefully I said that right—Dropbox, SAP Ariba, and SAP Fieldglass. A track record that speaks to her ability to scale brands, build impact, and lead with vision.Beyond the C-suite, Tifenn is a vocal LGBTQ+ advocate, a passionate supporter of women in tech, and an avid motorcyclist who brings that same bold energy to everything she does.Dare I say, my newfound friend.

10-17
31:06

Brand Bravery in EdTech - John Jorgenson

My guest this week is John Jorgenson, CMO at Cambium Learning Group. John spent his first seven years at Cambium leading marketing for two of its brands, where he helped grow Learning A-Z into its largest division. Now, as Enterprise CMO, he works alongside the Cambium executive team to shape strategy, creativity, and culture. What sets John apart is his vision—not just to advance education, but to empower his colleagues to do their very best work.From scaling brands to guiding enterprise vision, John’s blend of marketing expertise and people-first leadership makes him a compelling voice in edtech.

10-10
32:10

Curiosity Fuels Leadership - Kimberley Gardiner

My guest this week is Kimberley Gardiner, the CMO of Tractor Supply Company. Since 2022, she's been leading the charge on all things marketing for the country's largest rural lifestyle retailer, from big national campaigns to loyalty programs that keep their 30 million-plus Neighbor’s Club members engaged. Kimberley’s career isn't just impressive, it's diverse—she's held senior marketing roles at Volkswagen, Mitsubishi, Kia, and Toyota, and even jumped into the tech space as CMO of a digital asset management company. She knows what it takes to connect with people, whether they're shopping for cars, tractors, or anything in between. On top of that, she's a Mills College graduate with an MBA from Indiana University, and she still makes time to shape the future of the field, serving on the Brand Innovators Marketing Leadership Council and helping guide the PopTech Advisory Board.

10-03
37:17

Customer Experience Unfiltered - Jay Baer

My guest this week is someone who doesn’t just talk the talk—he’s lived it, built it, and continues to help others do the same. Jay Baer is one of the most dynamic voices in business growth, customer experience, and marketing. He’s a New York Times bestselling author of seven business books, the founder of five multimillion-dollar companies, and a Hall of Fame keynote speaker.His humor and insight have captivated audiences around the world. Jay has advised more than 700 brands, including 40 of the Fortune 500, and his expertise has been featured everywhere from NPR and CNN to The Washington Post. And here’s the twist—Jay isn’t only a strategist and storyteller; he’s also a certified tequila sommelier.He’s also one of the world’s top tequila influencers, blending spirited tastings and unforgettable stories into his talks. From creating iconic marketing frameworks to hosting podcasts like The Spirit Guides and the long-running Social Pros, Jay has cemented his place as a true thought leader.

09-26
29:31

Radical Transparency in Business - Kevin Akeroyd

My guest this week is Kevin Akeroyd, a veteran tech CEO with a career spanning Fortune 500 giants, private equity powerhouses, and venture-backed disruptors. He’s currently leading Sovos, a PE-backed tax and compliance AI SaaS platform. Before that, Kevin was CEO of Magna Global, the world’s largest contingent workforce technology provider. And prior to that, he took Cision public on the New York Stock Exchange in 2017 as its CEO. Early in his career, he held president-level roles at both Oracle and Salesforce, and before that, he drove four successful exits at VC-backed startups. Outside the boardroom, he’s a father of five and a sports, music, wine, and travel enthusiast. Kevin also studied at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and the University of Washington. Before I bring him on, I’ll add that he’s also a dear friend, a mentor, a fellow sports nut, and someone I had the pleasure of working with—and for—at Oracle. 

09-19
33:58

Behind E.L.F. Beauty’s Viral Success with Laurie Lam

My guest this week is Laurie Lam, the Chief Brand Officer at E.L.F. Beauty, the powerhouse behind E.L.F. Cosmetics, E.L.F. Skin, and Well People. With nearly two decades of experience shaping global brands, Laurie is a dynamic marketer and strategic innovator who’s redefining what an authentic, accessible beauty company looks like. Before joining E.L.F., Laurie held leadership roles at L’Oréal USA, working across the U.S., France, and Asia Pacific in marketing, e-commerce acquisition, business development, and brand innovation. She’s also credited with helping supercharge E.L.F.’s reputation for quality, inclusivity, and viral cultural moments — from TikTok stardom to collaborations with brands like Chipotle, Dunkin’, and even Tinder. 

09-12
30:11

Turning Public Spaces Into Brand Stages with Anna Bager

My guest this week is a force in the media world, Anna Bager, President and CEO of the Out-of-Home Advertising Association of America — quite a mouthful, so we’ll just say OAAA going forward. She is leading the charge in transforming out-of-home advertising into one of the most innovative, tech-driven, and brand-friendly platforms out there.Before taking the reins at OAAA, she was the EVP of Industry Initiatives at the IAB, where she shaped the future of digital, mobile, video, and audio, spearheaded the Digital Content NewFronts, and was named one of the 30 most powerful women in mobile advertising by Business Insider as well as one of the top women in media by Folio and Synapse.Anna brings both brains and bold vision to the table. I am honored to call her my friend, and this conversation is long overdue.

09-05
33:24

Andrea Brimmer on Disrupting Finance and Championing Women’s Sports

 My guest is Andrea Brimmer, the Chief Marketing and PR Officer at Ally Financial, where she leads the company’s integrated marketing strategy and brand transformation. Since joining Ally in 2006 and relaunching the brand in 2009, she has redefined what a financial services company can be—putting consumers first and driving bold, disruptive growth. Under her leadership, Ally has earned spots on Fast Company’s “Brands That Matter,” and Brimmer herself has been recognized as one of Forbes’ Most Influential CMOs five times, earning a place in the 2024 Forbes CMO Hall of Fame. An absolute trailblazer in the industry, she has also been honored by Adweek, Fast Company, and She Runs It for her creativity, leadership, and cultural impact. 

08-29
30:44

Brian Kotlyar Explains What’s Hype vs Reality in AI Marketing

My guest this week is Brian Kotlyar, Head of Marketing & Growth at Hightouch, the leading composable CDP that helps companies activate their data warehouses to drive personalized marketing and business operations. With 20-plus years of experience at Intercom, Sprinklr, and New Relic, Brian knows how to cut through the martech noise and build teams that turn data into real growth. 

08-22
28:56

Leadership Without Assholes Allowed — Shelley Zalis

My guest this week is Shelley Zalis, CEO and co-founder of The Female Quotient, a true trailblazer known as the “Chief Troublemaker.” She has always made her mark as an entrepreneur, a global advocate for women in the workplace, and a three-time movement maker. She pioneered online research, co-founded the #SeeHer initiative, and built The Female Quotient, home to the world's largest community of women in business. With accolades like the Matrix Award and recognition as one of LinkedIn's Top 20 Most Influential Voices, her impact is undeniable. 

08-15
32:37

Creativity as a Life Skill: Crayola CMO Vicky Lozano Breaks the Myth

My guest today is Vicky Lozano, the CMO of Crayola — yes, the company that basically defined many of our childhoods. In her role, Vicky leads Crayola’s consumer communications, partnership marketing, digital and omnichannel marketing, interactive app portfolio, education, and location-based entertainment. Before joining Crayola, she managed a $1.2 billion gum and mints portfolio at Cadbury, working on well-known brands like Trident and Dentyne.She has also held major roles at Miller Brewing, Warner-Lambert, and Pfizer.What I love most about Vicky is that she’s not just a brand leader — she’s a creativity evangelist with a business brain. In our conversation, we’re diving into how to keep a legacy brand fresh, why creativity isn’t just for kids, and what it really takes to build something that truly matters.

08-08
32:10

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