The COPOut Podcast

<p>During each episode, CECE Director <a href="https://cece.american.edu/expert/dana-r-fisher/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Dana R. Fisher</a> will host a panel of guest experts who will share their unique perspectives on the state of climate action, the path towards more effective climate solutions, and the role that the international regime—including the annual UN sponsored Conferences of the Parties (COPs)—can and should play in getting us where we need to go. </p><p></p><p>The first episode goes live on Sunday November 9th, 2025 at 3pm. You can watch the episode directly here, or access it via our YouTube Channel or on Apple Podcasts. Guaranteed to be as effective as #COP30 (without the carbon)! </p>

Ep.5: Early PostMortem on COP30

In our fifth episode of the COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with two amazing climate communicators to unpack the significance of the outcome of the COP30 round of the climate negotiations. Tune in to hear from Amy Westervelt from Drilled Media and Katharine Hayhoe from Texas Tech University and the Nature Conservancy as we discuss what are the consequences of the climate regime’s failure to include a phaseout of fossil fuels, how this failure may open the door to new opportunities for climate policymaking, and the overall utility of the climate regime at this point.   

11-24
55:18

Ep.4: On Measurement and Attribution

In our fourth episode of the COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with guest experts who help us understand where we are in measuring carbon and attributing the effects climate change is having on our world. Tune in to hear from Friederike Otto from Imperial College London & the World Weather Attribution Initiative and David Ho from the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa as they discuss what we know, what we still need to understand about our changing climate, and how their work helps us understand what is needed to address the worsening climate crisis (and how the climate regime might reform itself to help).

11-21
59:26

Ep.3: The Future of Climate Governance

In our third episode of the COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with guest experts who dig deeper into the problems facing the climate regime and what we should realistically expect from COP30.    Tune in to hear from Pamela McElwee from Rutgers University and Lauren Gifford from Colorado State University as they discuss the ways they have used science to inform climate policymaking, the material outcomes of carbon governance, the intersections between biodiversity/conservation, climate change and human vulnerability, and how the climate regime continues to miss the mark.   

11-17
55:47

Ep.2: (Mal)Adaptation and Climate Shocks

In our second episode of The COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with guest experts about the ways that climate shocks and (mal)adaptation are increasing vulnerabilities and inequalities across and within countries. Tune in to hear from Lisa Schipper from the University of Bonn and Rod Schoonover from Ecological Futures Group as they discuss how climate change overlaps with development and security, the unintended consequences of climate adaptation, and what they expect from COP30.

11-12
56:10

Ep. 1: Platforming Activism

In the inaugural episode of the COP-Out Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with climate leaders about how to platform activism and empower civil society in the struggle to address the climate crisis.  Tune in to hear from Ingmar Rentzhog from We Don't Have Time, Jamie Minden from This Is Zero Hour, and Magnolia Mead from Party Crashers to learn about their personal histories with climate activism, how they are all working in different ways to platform activism and empower civil society, and their individual choices about whether or not to attend the COP30 climate negotiations. 

11-09
51:40

COP-Out Ep.0: What to Expect

An introduction to The Center for Environment, Community, and Equity's new podcast: COP-Out. Apocalyptically optimistic conversations about the future of global climate negotiations.

11-07
01:12

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