In our fifth episode of the COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with two amazing climate communicators to unpack the significance of the outcome of the COP30 round of the climate negotiations. 

Tune in to hear from Amy Westervelt from Drilled Media and Katharine Hayhoe from Texas Tech University and the Nature Conservancy as we discuss what are the consequences of the climate regime’s failure to include a phaseout of fossil fuels, how this failure may open the door to new opportunities for climate policymaking, and the overall utility of the climate regime at this point.