The Climate Ambassador Podcast

Daithí is joined by Louise O'Mahony, head of Sustainable Banking at Banking and Payments Federation Ireland (BPFI). Louise gives fascinating insights into all things sustainable finance, including the huge increase in green lending in recent years and why private finance is so essential to meeting our emissions targets; an overview of environmental regulations pertaining to the finance sector and why the European Central bank is so concerned about Climate Change, [food harvest and flooding]; and some policies and tools that would help banks to be more ambitious with their sustainability-linked lending. After the interview, Daithí gives five top tips for greening your own finances. Music in this episode is the stunning Mountain Song, by Anna Mieke. Links 1. Banking and Payments Federation Ireland - https://bpfi.ie                                               2. European Commission on Sustainable Finance - https://finance.ec.europa.eu/sustainable-finance/overview-sustainable-finance_en              3. SEAI Grants - https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/                                              4. ECB has climate risks as second-highest priority: https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/banking/priorities/html/ssm.supervisory_priorities202312~a15d5d36ab.en.html                                         5. EU Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive: https://finance.ec.europa.eu/capital-markets-union-and-financial-markets/company-reporting-and-auditing/company-reporting/corporate-sustainability-reporting_en                                         6. ECB Climate and Environment Risk Guide: https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ssm.pr201127~5642b6e68d.en.html       7. Montreal agreement - Taskforce on nature–related financial disclosures: https://tnfd.global/              8. Christine Lagarde ECB president - 70% of banks’ loan portfolios is to high-emitting sectors: https://greencentralbanking.com/2024/01/29/eurozone-banks-face-serious-transition-risks-ecb/               9. Bank Of England research on connection between energy performance and reduced risk of mortgage default: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/working-paper/2023/the-greening-of-lending-mortgage-pricing-of-energy-transition-risk.pdf

In this episode, Daithí talks Sustainable Transport with Brian Caulfield, Professor of Transport in the Department of Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering, in Trinity College Dublin. Transport accounts for approximately one fifth of Ireland's Greenhouse Gas Emissions, with the majority coming from road transport. Brian talks about the ambitious target to have 1 million electric vehicles on Irish roads by 2030. He also touches on how urban design and planning can have a huge impact on transport modes, through concepts like the 15-minute city. The important point that all groups don't have equal access to sustainable transport also comes up, through issues like the rural/urban divide in access to public transport, as well as the barriers preventing women and girls from adopting cycling. As always, the other improvements to our lives that improved transport policy and infrastructure could bring about are discussed, from better air quality to more secure employment!   Links Brian’s Twitter: https://x.com/brian_caulfield              Brian’s research profile: https://www.tcd.ie/research/profiles/?profile=caulfib                                Economic cost of congestion in Dublin: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3fef5-the-economic-cost-of-congestion-in-the-greater-dublin-area-2022-2040/                                1 million EV’s by 2030 target: https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/a6a2f-government-approves-electric-vehicle-policy-pathway-report/       WHO guidelines on air quality breached in Ireland: https://www.epa.ie/news-releases/news-releases-2023/irelands-ambition-to-move-towards-the-health-based-who-air-quality-guidelines-will-be-challenging-but-will-have-a-significantly-positive-impact-on-health.php           Electric Vehicle pilot on Inis Mór 2011: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/eight-families-go-electric-in-aran-islands-pilot-project-1.1277786

We are very excited to bring you our first episode featuring the astounding work of our Climate Ambassadors! Daithí talks to Emily Kennedy and Hilda O'Grady about the work they carried out during their time on the Climate Ambassador programme in 2023.            Emily won an outstanding achievement award in 2023 for her work-focused initiatives, which included speaking at the Mary Robinson Climate Conference, connecting her colleagues to nature through facilitating work visits to beehives, and organising swap shops and repair workshops at her workplace in Price Waterhouse Cooper. Emily gives some very credible and actionable steps for achieving gender equality in work.           Hilda also won an outstanding achievement award for her community-focused work, consisting of turbo-charging her Tidy Towns group in Kinvara to focus predominantly on Climate and Biodiversity, planting over 9,000 trees with the Kinvara-Ballinderreen Tree Gang, and working on various other local issues such as facilitating zero waste options at Farmers Market. Hilda provides wise and practical advice for sustaining successful working relationships in a community setting.   Emily’s links: Re-Jingled | Dublin | Facebook https://longgardenbees.ie/ Climate Action Venn Diagrams — Ayana Elizabeth Johnson The sustainable Life School   Hilda’s links: https://kinvara.ie/kinvara-tidy-towns/ ÉireComposites (eirecomposites.com) http://kbtreegang.com/ Miyawaki method shows dense Irish forest can grow rapidly (rte.ie)

The marvelous Easkey Britton joins Daithí for this episode. A pioneer of women’s big wave surfing, a Marine Social Scientist and author. We have a brilliant and inspiring conversation about Easkey’s relationship with Water, and her academic work on the benefits to human health from spending time around bodies of water. Easkey offers a very compelling alternative to how we can appreciate and take better care of water, given the new challenges of ocean warming and changes to seasonal rainfall as a result of Climate Change. Easkey also discusses her experience with the 'Deep Adaptation framework, a method for fostering mutual support and collaboration in the process of anticipating and experiencing societal disruption and even collapse. The spoken word performance in this episode is provided by The Accidental Rapper. -- https://easkeybritton.com/           www.Deepadaptation.info                https://www.instagram.com/easkeysurf/                        'Into the sea' Film about Easkey surfing in Iran: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5950068/                 https://www.instagram.com/theaccidentalrapper/

Dr. Tadhg MacIntyre, Professor of Environmental Psychology at Maynooth University, joins us in this episode. He talks to Daithí about the science behind how people relate to their environments, the relationship between human health and environmental health, and the fascinating ways in which this is influencing the design of our cities. It also has huge implications for achieving behaviour change for sustainability - the evidence shows that the more we are connected to an environment, the more we take action to protect it! They also touch on the fascinating area of "virtual nature", and how this may be deployed to support local environmental initiatives in the future. Episode links: 'Go Green Routes' Research Project: https://gogreenroutes.eu/      'Go Green Next' Research Project: https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/101137209             Tahdg's Book - 'Physical Activity in Natural Settings: Green and Blue Exercise': https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9781315180144/physical-activity-natural-settings-aoife-donnelly-tadhg-macintyre               University of Maynooth Taught MSc. in Environmental Psychology: https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/study-maynooth/postgraduate-studies/courses/msc-environmental-psychology

Daithí chats to Harrison Gardner, of the brilliant social enterprise Common Knowledge, which delivers practical course in upskilling and self-sufficiency in the Burren, County Clare. We covered a lot in this conversation, from reconnecting to the value of the objects we use every day, to the huge demand for their courses from people who want to be more handy around the house.  Common knowledge is very socially engaged also, providing access courses to some participants who couldn't afford to attend, as well as looking to marginalised communities like LGBTQ+ groups to find new solutions to the climate crisis. At the end of the conversation we feature a reflection on Climate Action and a song from musical artist, Sive. She is a former Climate Ambassador - as well as an amazing songwriter and musician! Links Common Knowledge: http://www.ourcommonknowledge.org/ Harrison's website: https://www.harrisongardner.net/ Rekindle festival of lost skills: https://www.ourcommonknowledge.org/rekindle 'Build Your Own' TV Series: https://www.rte.ie/player/series/build-your-own-home/10000921-00-0000?epguid=IP000066885 Croí Cónaithe Vacant property refurbishment grant: https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/resident/housing/vacant-property-refurbishment-grant-croi-conaithe Earthship Biotecture: https://earthship.com/ Sive links: https://linktr.ee/sivemusic

"Dr. Sarah Miller is the CEO of the Rediscovery Centre, Ireland's national hub for circular economy innovation. Sarah has been with the centre since its early days in 2004, playing a key role in its growth and success. We have a fantastic and engaging conversation about Sarah's lifelong dedication to circularity, from growing up influenced by an "army of strong women" as she described, her passion for nature-based solutions, and the Rediscovery Centre's mission to drive public awareness and citizen engagement in the circular economy. Sarah gives us a 360° tour of various projects at the centre, including research partnerships, impactful social enterprises, and the transformation of their Ballymun headquarters, The Boiler House, into an iconic, fully circular building. Sarah also shares exciting plans and addresses the challenges of promoting reuse and repair, envisioning a movement that grows in every corner of the country. Join us for an inspiring episode filled with innovative ideas and practical solutions to create a more resourceful and sustainable society.  Music on this episode is from Caoimhín Ó' Raghallaigh Links: For more information about circular economy and policy, listen to Series 3 Episode 3, with Ossian Smyth Minister of State with responsibility for Public Procurement, eGovernment and the Circular Economy. https://climateambassador.ie/podcast/ The Rediscovery Centre - https://www.rediscoverycentre.ie/ Paint Reuse Network - https://www.paintreuse.network/about-us Circular Economy Academy - https://www.rediscoverycentre.ie/research/circular-economy-academy/ Global Action Plan - https://globalactionplan.ie/ Big Toy Swap - https://www.rediscoverycentre.ie/2024/02/20/announcing-the-big-toy-swap-project/ Jiminy Eco Toys - https://jiminy.ie/" Caoimhín Ó' Raghallaigh - https://caoimhinoraghallaigh.com/

Daithí kicks off season four of the Climate Ambassador podcast with none other than Manchán Magan, author and documentary maker. Listen and discover how easy it is to plant a forest in Ireland. Learn about the ancient practice of having to prove your ability to nurture pastureland before being permitted to start a family! Find answers in our landscape and feel the land rising as you connect with us.   We examine Irish folklore and old Irish words for the environment, and what they tell us about the way that people on this Island related to the natural world around them going back thousands of years. We also talked about mistakes that have often been made in communicating about climate change, and Manchán gave some wonderful insights as to how we can have more constructive and inclusive conversations. Manchán writes for the Irish Times and has made dozens of documentaries for TG4 and RTÉ, including Crainn na hÉireann (The trees of Ireland) and An Fód Deireanach (The Last Sod). He is the author of the award-winning, best-selling ‘Thirty-Two Words for Field’ and ‘Listen to the Land Speak’. He was brought up through Irish for the first few years of his life, and now lives in an Oak wood with bees and hens, in a grass-rooved house near Lough Lene, County Westmeath.   Lisa O'Neill sings 'Old Note' from her 2023 album 'All of this is Chance'   Links: https://www.manchan.com/   https://www.tiktok.com/@manchanmagan            https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/online-boxsets/?series=An%20F%C3%B3d%20Deireanach&genre=Faisneis                   https://lisaoneill.ie/home/

We’re very excited to be back with Season Four! Meet your new host Daithí Brooks, Climate Action Officer for Munster. This Season, Daithí will be chatting to a diverse and fascinating range of guests, who are taking brave and impactful climate action in their communities. We will feature thinkers and innovators from the fields of Irish Folklore, building and upcycling, transport, digital carbon, rewilding, sustainable finance, and nature connection, as well as the inspiring stories of some of our very own Climate Ambassadors! A strong theme throughout this season is connection. Connection to the natural world, to our heritage and practices, and to our communities. The first episode will be available to listen on Monday the 17th of June! http://www.climateambassador.ie/

It was such an honour to chat with Professor Mike Berners-Lee, of the Institute for Social Futures at Lancaster University and director and principal consultant of Small World Consulting. Mike is the author of environmental books including The Burning Question, How Bad are Bananas?, There Is No Planet B, a contributor to Greta Thunberg’s The Climate Book, as well as numerous speaking, radio and TV appearances.  We covered a lot of ground, with brilliant insights all the way. Topics discussed include carbon footprints, carbon-offsetting, Greenwashing, the rebound effect - and more - with Mike always delving into the reasons why things are so and what solutions are required, as well as how having a change of mindset and a real look at our values are much more important than any of the global decarbonising efforts underway. This is an entertaining chat, honestly looking at where we are, while offering valuable insights for lasting and meaningful change. Links: https://www.sw-consulting.co.uk https://howbadarebananas.com There Is No Planet B (theresnoplanetb.net) www.burningquestion.info https://theclimatebook.org https://twitter.com/MikeBernersLee

Laura Burke is the Director General of the Environmental Protection Agency Ireland. Laura is also the chair of the European Environment Agency and member of the Climate Change Advisory Council. In this wide-ranging discussion, we cover many environmental themes – including how Ireland is performing, the issues and solutions. With agriculture, we discuss the importance of looking at the ‘how’, as well as the significance of the Food & Drink industry’s emissions. Laura calls for the ceasing of continued illegal industrial peat extraction, alongside the need to speed up and scale up the reduction of carbon emissions across every sector. With transport, adding to the mantra of avoid, shift and improve, Laura discusses the importance of looking at freight transport, which will have different requirements to travel solutions. In regard to thoughts and opinions in Ireland, we explore some surprising results, while links are made to what we can do and how action leads to hope and well-being. A thought provoking and inspiring chat with Laura, a very experienced leader of climate action in Ireland. Links: EPA Ireland website: https://www.epa.ie Twitter: @EPAIreland Instagram: @epaireland YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/epaireland EPA Ireland on LinkedIn: search “Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Ireland” EPA State of Environment Report (2020): State of Environment Report | Environmental Protection Agency (epa.ie) Climate Opinion Maps | Environmental Protection Agency (epa.ie) Climate Change in the Irish Mind | Environmental Protection Agency (epa.ie) Laura Burke - Session 2: Climate Change in a broader Environmental Context - EPA Ireland - YouTube European Environment Agency European Environment Agency's home page (europa.eu) Climate Change Advisory Council Climate Change Advisory Council (climatecouncil.ie)

Looking at ways to enhance, restore or rewild our biodiversity, although crucially important for many ecosystem services that we depend upon for survival, they should not be seen as separate issues to actions to adapt or mitigate against any impacts of climate change. In this engaging discussion from two very experienced, passionate and eloquent voices, we hear from Ray O’Foghlu, a Nuffield scholar, Wild Atlantic Rainforest Project Lead & Farm Programmes Coordinator at Hometree. We are also joined by Rob Gandola, a Legacy4Life Pond Development Officer, Senior Science Officer of The Herpetological Society of Ireland, Wildlife Consultant and occasional TV presenter. In this open and honest discussion, Ray spoke about the need of getting communities on board with any work on land to enhance, restore or rewild it and listen to their genuine concerns. Also, the need for getting the basics rights, enacting and enforcing what we should be doing now, is a crucial first step in improving our biodiversity in Ireland. Rob also spoke about the importance of getting buy-in from all stakeholders, through awareness raising, while listening to the concerns of the local people impacted on any biodiversity enhancements or rewilding, thereby building trust and enabling a much better outcome for all concerned. Both Rob and Ray would love to see a National Wetland Restoration Scheme set up, which could go a long way to restoring lost wetlands, while providing many ecosystem services, such as improving habitats and enhancing our carbon sink capabilities. Links: Hometree website - https://www.hometree.ie Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hometreecharity/ Twitter – @hometree__ Instagram - @hometreecharity Legacy4Life website – https://www.antaisce.org/legacy4life Facebook – Legacy4Life_An Taisce Twitter – @Legacy4LIFEAnT Instagram - @legacy4lifeantaisce The Herpetological Society of Ireland website - https://thehsi.org

Ever wondered what actually causes our climate to change or what’s the difference between weather and climate? Head of Climate Services Keith Lambkin and Meteorologist Joanna Donnelly, whom you might recognise from RTÉ weather forecasts, join us to do what we all love to do – talk about the weather. We cover links of weather to climate change as you might expect and amongst other things, we debunk some of the common myths surrounding climate change and explore what work MET Éireann are doing to react to and prepare for extreme weather events. Links: MET Éireann website: Climate Change - Met Éireann - The Irish Meteorological Service MET Podcast: The Met Éireann Podcast - Met Éireann - The Irish Meteorological Service Twitter: @MetEireann Instagram: @meteireann The Great Irish Weather Book: Gill Books - Children's - The Great Irish Weather Book Science Blast: Home - ESB Science Blast Professor Brian Cox podcast: BBC Radio 4 - The Infinite Monkey Cage - Downloads

Informing ourselves is one of the most important and effective ways of figuring out what climate actions we can take, while also helping to understand the bigger picture and how we can hold decision makers to account. Niall Sargent is a very knowledgeable journalist, with compassion and a deep sense of fairness, which comes across in his work with Noteworthy.ie and also shines through in this podcast about some of the important work Niall and his team carry out. We cover a lot of the big-ticket items like agriculture, forestry, peatlands, land use, biodiversity, energy, politics and storytelling, with Niall sharing in-depth knowledge, insights and solutions across a wide range of topics. Links: Twitter: @Niall_Sargent & @noteworthy_ie www.noteworthy.ie www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/# https://degrowth.info/degrowth

In this air quality podcast, we first hear from Dr Clare Noone, Senior Postdoctoral researcher at ICARUS, Maynooth University, giving an overview of air quality in Ireland and the interconnectedness of air quality to other issues such as climate & biodiversity breakdown. Clare talks about her work with the EPA on Five-Year Assessment Reports for Ireland, the importance of Methane and how that could be the best way for some quick wins with air quality and climate action, while also sharing some of her approaches to communicating the science. In the second part, we hear about the incredible work Aileen Bright, Sabrina Moore and the GLOBE team are achieving around Ireland with air quality, through citizen science, measuring and communicating with local schools and communities. They share stories behind the statistics, highlighting some success anecdotes and the power that has for both themselves and the schools and communities involved. Links: Dr Clare Noone on twitter: @clarenoone Purple Air makes sensors that empower Community Scientists who collect hyper-local air quality data and share it with the public: https://www2.purpleair.com/ EPA Ireland 5-Year Assessment Report on Climate Change: https://www.epa.ie/our-services/monitoring--assessment/climate-change/5-yar/ Angry Weather book: https://earthbound.report/2021/06/07/book-review-angry-weather-by-friederike-otto/ Trevor Noah Tackles Climate Change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PSR_OutuIw GLOBE Email: globe@eeu.antaisce.org GLOBE Ireland Air Quality Campaign https://www.globe.gov/web/ireland/home/overview-of-air-quality-campaign/about#:~:text=The%20GLOBE%20Ireland%20Air%20Quality,pollution%20at%20schools%20in%20Ireland. Clean Air Together: https://www.cleanairtogether.ie/ Twitter - @GLOBEIreland Instagram & Facebook – ‘GLOBE Ireland’ EPA: https://www.epa.ie/take-action/in-the-community/citizen-science/clean-air-projects/#d.en.90888 New Zealand’s well-being budget: https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/insights/new-zealands-wellbeing-budget-worth-hype-contributor-michael-mintrom Bike2Work scheme: https://www.biketowork.ie/

Food – it fuels us, can make us healthy & happy and is a great way of bringing people together, what’s not to like? To look at food through an environmental lens, we are joined by Tony Keogh, head chef of Cornucopia, Ireland’s longest running vegetarian & vegan restaurant, who’s cookbook won at the An Post Book of the Year Awards, along with Roisin Fitzgerald, a registered Associate Nutritionist and chair of sustainable diets at Irish Doctors for the Environment. In our broad discussion we talk about the links between human and planetary health, as well as the links between food, climate change and food security. We explore what exactly is sustainable food, why we should reduce our meat & dairy and what benefits that brings, along with advice on how to reduce our food emissions and how to run a business more sustainably. We hear lots of tips and swaps for more sustainable food approaches and favourite sustainable recipes, including how to please those fussy eaters in our lives. Links: Cornucopia & Tony’s Instagram: @cornucopia_restaurant / @plantplaytes Rosin Instagram: @roisin.fitzgerald Irish Doctors for the Environment Instagram: @irishdocsenv Irish Doctors for the Environment Twitter: @IrishDocsEnv Roisin’s email: roisinfitzgerald3@gmail.com Tony’s email: tonyokeogh@gmail.com The Green Cookbook | Cornucopia's Latest Vegan Cookbook Our Team – Irish Doctors for the Environment (ide.ie) The Danish Official Dietary Guidelines (fvm.dk) Veganuary 2023 | Home | The Go Vegan 31 Day Challenge Home - Meat Free Monday (meatfreemondays.com)

We are joined by Minister of State with responsibility for Public Procurement, eGovernment and the Circular Economy, Ossian Smyth, who is also a Green Party TD for Dún Laoghaire. Minister Smyth joins us to discuss the Circular Economy, which is gaining traction at European, national and local levels. Did you know for example by repairing items or buying second had are part of the circular economy? Did you know that businesses currently don’t have to segregate their waste, and don’t have green, brown and black bins unlike domestic waste segregation? Join us to learn more about the circular economy, anaerobic digestion, deposit returns for cans and bottles, the latte levy, incineration, waste management and what the government are doing to help make the circular economy become a stronger reality in our lives. Links: https://www.ossiansmyth.ie/ https://www.repairmystuff.ie/ www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/a7976-circular-economy/# www.gov.ie/en/publication/824c3-national-food-waste-prevention-roadmap-2023-2025/ Irish Men's Sheds Association | Mens Sheds Ireland

Comedian Colm O’Regan has a great balance of being honest, self-aware, insightful and funny all at the same time. Colm has a wonderful grasp of what it’s like to start on a journey to become more environmental, while appreciating he’s not perfect and nor preachy. This is a very honest and funny insight into one person’s journey on how to try to make the world a bit better, while negotiating being a parent, managing consumption, and navigating social media. Colm has lots of practical advice for how to build community locally and make positive changes while bringing people along with you, how to cope when he’s feeling hopeless and how to collaborate better with local authorities. Along with the wisdom of informing ourselves, having respectful conversations and debates, checking our privilege, leaning into joy and learning lessons from the good bits of our past. Essential listening for those who would like to share a podcast with their friends and families, to help them begin their journeys. Hopefully you’ll agree that this chat is also a great bit of craic! Links: Twitter - @colmoregan Insta - @colmwriter Facebook - www.facebook.com/thecolmoregan/ Website - https://www.colmoregan.com/ Book - Climate Worrier. Publisher: HarperCollins Ireland. Podcast – The World Etc. With Colm O’Regan

We perhaps take our energy systems for granted a little but it permeates everything we do. Join us as we hear from Hannah Daly, Professor in Sustainable Energy and Energy Systems Modelling at University College Cork.  Hannah shares some of her wealth of knowledge on a wide range of topics, with insights on our energy systems, renewable energy and their benefits, what we need to deploy high scale offshore wind, fossil fuels, the energy crises, why our household energy bills are so high - and some quick measures to help, links to the houses crises, blackout risk, data centres, energy targets, district heating, sustainable transport, the Climate Action Plan, what solutions we should enable and her vision for a post-fossil fuel society.  We also hear some of Hannah’s personal story of trying to live sustainably in her rural home with her young family. Links: Website: https://hannahdaly.ie/ Twitter: @HannahEDaly UCC: https://research.ucc.ie/profiles/D021/h.daly@ucc.ie MaERI: https://www.marei.ie/people/dr-hannah-daly/ SEAI home energy saving tips: https://www.seai.ie/home-energy/energy-saving-tips/ SEAI Home Energy Grants: https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/ Books recommended – Eoghan Dalton’s ‘An Irish Atlantic Rainforest’ and George Monbiot’s ‘Regenesis’.

We are honoured and delighted to have Dr. Renée Lertzman join us for this podcast on Turning Climate Anxiety into Action. Renée is a researcher, educator and engagement strategist who uses psychological insights to unlock action on global climate and environmental crises. A pioneer and leader at the intersection of psychology, climate and environment, Renée applies psychosocial insights to drive engagement and action on ecological issues. With over two million people and counting have watched her incredible TED Talk “How To Turn Climate Anxiety Into Action”. Delving deeper into Renée’s work and what lessons we can learn for our own lives to be more effective, we discover many insights from Renée’s research and practice. Translating psychology and social science best practices into tools, resources and guidance that unleash the potential for creativity and courage, to inspire action, ingenuity and resilience in facing one of the biggest challenges of our time. Renée’s message is one that we can all take some meaningful action with climate change, using this time as an opportunity to grow, while avoiding burnout and living purposeful lives with empathy and compassion. Links:https://projectinsideout.net/getting-started/https://www.ted.com/speakers/renee_lertzmanhttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/26/how-to-discuss-climate-change-productively.html