The Grace & Form Podcast

In this episode, we sit down with Devon Teuscher, principal dancer at American Ballet Theatre, to explore the extraordinary journey behind the curtain. Devon shares how dance became her sanctuary through her childhood; offering her presence, purpose, and safety when so much felt uncertain. We talk about what it means to stay: in a company, in your body, in your truth — even when the path forward feels unclear. This episode is a celebration of grace, grit, and the ongoing practice of presence. Take one of Devon Teuschers ballet classes on our Grace & Form studio app: ⁠Learn from Devon⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠ Launch the app⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠DD EDIT

From Moscow to London, San Francisco to Copenhagen, Maria Kochetkova has built a career defined by courage, curiosity, and conviction. In this episode, she reflects on her early years at the Bolshoi Ballet School, leaving Russia to find artistic freedom, and the challenges of carving a path in an industry that often tries to box dancers in. Maria shares what it means to follow intuition over practicality, the importance of great teachers and truthful technique, and how motherhood has reshaped her relationship with dance. She talks about performing while pregnant, adapting her body through each decade, and creating new work that reimagines where and how ballet can exist. Honest, thoughtful, and full of quiet strength: this conversation traces a life in motion: the work behind the work, and the woman behind one of ballet’s most distinctive careers. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Craig Salstein-NYCB repertory director, longtime ABT soloist, teacher, and Broadway collaborator-shares grounded, generous advice for dancers navigating the hard parts: injury, casting politics, and self-comparison. With trademark humor and clarity, Craig makes a case for “dancing smart”: build technique like scaffolding, obsess over landings and communicate clearly and kindly. He talks about keeping class light without losing discipline, how to turn professional envy into fuel, and why presence beats perfection. We also dig into his work with Justin Peck (from Carousel and West Side Story to Maestro), teaching everyone from company principals to total beginners, and the mindset that sustains a long career-onstage and off. If you need perspective, a plan for rehab, or just permission to breathe and keep going, this one’s a balm. You’ll learn: Practical steps for dancing through injury and returning smarter How to stay focused when you’re not first cast (and why it matters) Turning comparison into craft, not crisis Making the studio lighter while keeping standards high The “iterate” mindset for longevity in dance Take class with Craig, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Misty Copeland joins Saskia Gregson-Williams and Indiana Woodward on the Grace & Form Podcast for an intimate, reflective conversation about stepping away, returning, and saying goodbye to ABT. After five years off stage, Misty shares the perspective she gained outside of ballet, the injuries and challenges that kept her away, and why she initially resisted the idea of a farewell. She talks about the decision to come back: and how gratitude, not finality, is what guides her farewell at ABT. With honesty and warmth, Misty reveals what movement means to her now, how she carries her legacy forward, and why perspective beyond dance has been such a wonderful teacher. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

In this episode, we sit down with Skylar Brandt, principal dancer with American Ballet Theatre, to explore how she's forged a path that’s uniquely her own. Skylar opens up about the challenges and triumphs of embracing her individuality in a traditional art form, the lessons she's learned along the way, and how self-expression has shaped her career both on and off the stage. Whether you're a dancer, a dreamer, or simply someone seeking inspiration, Skylar’s story is a powerful reminder that the courage to be yourself is one of the greatest strengths you can have. Take class with Saskia, Indiana or one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT

Introducing, The Grace & Form Podcast – your backstage pass to the world of movement and the stories that shape it. Join us as we sit down with dancers, creators, and artists who find joy and inspiration through movement. From career-defining moments to lessons in resilience, we explore the journeys that have shaped them—on and off the stage. Meet your hosts and get ready for new episodes every Monday. Let’s move, learn, and be inspired—together.

In this episode, we sit down with Gonzalo Garcia as he steps into a new chapter as Artistic Director of Miami City Ballet. Gonzalo reflects on the full-circle journey that brought him back to the very studio where his training began in Zaragoza, Spain, a return that now marks the start of his leadership role. We explore the moments that shaped him: early mentorship under María de Ávila, winning the Prix de Lausanne at just 15, navigating pressure and perfectionism, and rising to principal dancer at San Francisco Ballet before making the leap to New York City Ballet. Gonzalo speaks candidly about hierarchy, patience, ambition, and what it really takes to grow within major institutions. Now on the other side of the studio, Gonzalo shares his evolving philosophy on leadership. Why vulnerability matters, how trust is built in the room, and what today’s dancers need from those guiding them. He also opens up about injury, emotional resilience, and the responsibility of holding both high standards and human care. This conversation is an intimate look at what it means to move from dancer to decision-maker and how the values that shaped Gonzalo as an artist continue to guide him as a leader. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  

In this episode, we sit down with the legendary Gillian Murphy to reflect on her extraordinary 29-year career at American Ballet Theatre. From joining the company at 17 to her unforgettable final bow as Odette, Gillian shares the moments that shaped her, the roles that changed her, and the mindset that carried her through nearly three decades onstage. A conversation about presence, artistry, fearlessness, and what comes next. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  

In part two of our injury series, we look at injury through connected angles: how company culture is shifting, the perspectives of those who care for dancers’ bodies, and the ways injuries can open the door to unexpected new chapters. You’ll hear from dancers and practitioners across the ballet world: Julie Kent on the emotional reality of injury at the highest level of the art form, and how her experiences now inform the way she nurtures dancers in her leadership roles. Harrison Coll (soloist, New York City Ballet) on how company culture around rest, recovery and ambition is finally changing. Zimmi Coker (American Ballet Theatre) on navigating a major injury with support, building a “toolbox” for her body, and redefining sustainability on and offstage. Maria Kowroski (Artistic Director, New Jersey Ballet) on how her own injuries deepened her artistry and now shape how she supports dancers from the other side of the studio. Cameron Gomez, Dr. David Williams & Caroline Krumm on the science of overuse, stress fractures, tendinopathy and periodisation, and why sleep and rest are non-negotiable training tools. Miko Fogarty on the injury that quietly planted the seed for her pivot from international ballet star to foot and ankle surgery resident and how she now helps dancers protect the careers she once dreamed of. Saskia and Indiana also share their own stories: the messy middle of long-term injury, comments that cut deep, and the unexpected gifts that appear when dance is no longer the only definition of who you are. This episode is for anyone who’s ever felt left behind by their body, stood on the edge of “Is this over?” or wondered what might exist on the other side of an interrupted dream. It’s about culture, care, and the surprising possibilities that open when you start listening to your body and to yourself. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    

In this intimate and expansive conversation, Patricia Delgado, Tony Award–winning choreographer, Juilliard faculty member, and proud Cuban-American artist opens up about the many chapters that shaped her: dancer, teacher, mother, collaborator, sister, and now, a choreographer discovering her own voice. Patricia shares what it means to build a classroom rooted in emotional awareness, how motherhood has become her greatest grounding force, and why reconnecting with her Cuban roots through Buena Vista Social Club™ ignited a new creative fire. Together, we explore the complexities of comparison and sisterhood, the delicate dance of artistic partnership, and the courage it takes to listen when life nudges you toward change. From her early years growing up in Miami City Ballet to the quiet bravery of beginning again in New York with her husband and creative partner Justin Peck. Patricia reminds us that artistry is not a straight line - it’s a lifelong practice of curiosity, connection, and becoming. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  

Gilbert Bolden III is a newly minted principal dancer with New York City Ballet, a designer, choreographer, and an artist who brings joy, fluidity, and individuality into everything he does. Earlier this year, he ruptured his Achilles mid Scotch Symphony- but instead of spiralling into crisis, Gilbert met the moment with calm, humour, and an almost shocking amount of perspective. In this episode, we start right where he is today, and then trace the path that brought him here: dancing to Britney in his living room, discovering ballet later than most, rising through the ranks at NYCB, navigating identity inside a traditional institution, and building an entire creative world outside of dance - from drag to fashion to choreography. Through it all, Gilbert shows us what it looks like to stay grounded, stay yourself, and keep enjoying your life, no matter what chapter you’re in. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

In this special episode of Grace & Form, we’re doing something a little different. This is Part One of our two-part deep dive into injury - a universal experience for dancers, yet one that’s rarely spoken about with honesty and care. In this episode, we hear voice notes and reflections from dancers around the world, each sharing what injury has meant in their lives and careers, from the first moment it happened to the long journey of recovery that followed. Featuring: Alexa Maxwell - New York City Ballet soloist Craig Hall - former NYCB soloist and current repertory director Sara Mearns - NYCB principal dancer whose career has redefined resilience and artistry Isabella LaFreniere - NYCB principal dancer Thomas Forster - American Ballet Theatre principal dancer Cameron Gomez - physiotherapist trusted by some of the world’s leading dancers, including those at New York City Ballet Indiana Woodward, Grace & Form co-founder and principal dancer with New York City Ballet, also shares her personal story — a look into what it truly means to recover, rebuild, and return to the art form you love. Stay tuned for Part Two, where co-founder Saskia Gregson-Williams will share her own experience, and we’ll explore the culture of injury through the eyes of directors, physiotherapists, and other leading voices shaping dance today. This episode is a reminder that even in stillness, artistry continues, and that sometimes, the body’s greatest lessons come in the pause. -- Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

In this episode of the Grace & Form podcast, we’re joined by New York City Ballet principal dancer and founder of Furlan Dancewear, Jovani Furlan. From his early training at the Bolshoi school in Brazil to dancing on some of the world’s biggest stages, Jovani shares the pivotal moments that shaped his path; including the risks he took, the pressure he’s learned to navigate, and the tools that keep him grounded. We talk about performance anxiety, building a business while dancing full-time, and how meditation, therapy, and a sense of humor have helped him through it all. Jovani reflects on the importance of showing up, staying open, and letting go of the need to control every outcome: in dance and in life. This is a heartfelt conversation about growth, reinvention, and learning to be kinder to yourself along the way. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT⁠⁠

In this special episode, co-founders Saskia Gregson-Williams and Indiana Woodward sit down for an honest conversation about friendship, creativity, and the leap from barre to business. From meeting through the ballet world to building Grace & Form from the ground up, they reflect on the highs, the hard bits, and how their bond has shaped everything along the way. Expect behind-the-scenes stories, a few laughs, and a look at what it really takes to build something meaningful, with your best friend by your side.   Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT⁠⁠

In this powerful and personal episode, New York City Ballet’s India Bradley opens up about what it means to be the “first”; the first Black Dewdrop, the first in many roles - and the complex weight that comes with it. From her early years in Detroit to finding her voice at Dance Theatre of Harlem and SAB, India shares the winding path to NYCB, the pressure to prove she belongs, and the lessons she’s still learning about self-worth, representation, and resilience. We talk about dancing through doubt, the difference between strength and visibility, pointe shoe trials, and the ever-shifting balance between ambition and self-kindness. This one is raw, funny, and deeply honest - a backstage pass into what it really takes to find your place in ballet when the stage has never quite looked like you. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT⁠⁠

In this intimate episode, Indiana turns the mic on her co-host and best friend, Saskia Gregson-Williams. Saskia’s journey as a ballet dancer, entrepreneur, and wellness creative has been anything but linear. Together they unpack the journey: homesickness, bullying, burnout, early independence, , injury, and the quiet courage it takes to start again, again and again. They talk about the pressure of being “the best,” the cost of chasing external validation, and how Saskia found strength not in perfection, but in surrendering control. This is an honest and hopeful conversation about identity, reinvention, and the power of patience. Take class with Saskia or one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT⁠⁠  

From Guangzhou to New York, cramping on stage to commanding the spotlight, Chun Wai Chan shares the story of how grit, laughter, and letting go helped him become the first Chinese principal dancer at New York City Ballet. In this episode of Grace & Form, Chun opens up about the physical and mental battles behind the curtain: from writing a letter to his parents to convince them to let him dance, to redefining success across continents. We talk training, injury, cultural expectations, building a personal brand, and the infamous Swan Lake performance that almost ended in disaster (hint: cramps, chaos, and a lot of heart). This one’s equal parts hilarious and heartfelt. Take class with Chun or one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT⁠⁠

From growing up between continents to rising through the ranks of New York City Ballet, your co-host Indiana Woodward shares her deeply personal journey with body image, identity, and learning to embrace herself fully. In this candid conversation, she opens up about the pressures of ballet, the impact of being told her body wasn’t “right,” and the long path toward self-love and acceptance. We also talk about what it means to build something of your own, and how Grace & Form became part of that healing. Take class with Indiana or one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT

In this episode, Principal Dancer Sara Mearns joins us for a raw and wide-ranging conversation about how life onstage has shifted, and how she’s shifted with it. She shares the reality of living with hearing loss for over a decade, what it was like to finally hear her own solo again, and how that moment marked a turning point. We talk about burnout, boundaries, mental health, body maintenance, saying no, and unlearning perfectionism. She opens up about returning to roles like Swan Lake, navigating long-term creative partnerships, her cross-training routine, and the evolving pressure to choreograph in the age of social media. Through it all, Sara reflects on what it means to keep growing: as an artist, a collaborator, and a person, and why rediscovering your worth beyond ballet might be the most powerful performance of all. Take class with one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT

Unity Phelan’s journey to becoming a principal with New York City Ballet wasn't linear, and in this episode, she opens up about the doubts, decisions, and quiet determination that got her there. From facing early rejection to finding her voice as both an artist and a person, Unity shares what it means to stay the course while still carving your own. We talk about building resilience and staying true to yourself in a competitive world. Take class with Saskia, Indiana or one of our incredible Grace & Form teachers, here: ⁠⁠Train with the best ⁠⁠ Try 7 Days Free and Download our App:⁠⁠⁠ Launch the app⁠⁠⁠ Shop our Discount Dance edit here: ⁠⁠⁠DD EDIT