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Justin shares his thoughts on competition crushing his business, Brian contemplates open sourcing an idea for front end AI tooling, and when should you run with a new idea vs knowing when to drop it.Timestamps:(00:00) - Get into it! (00:47) - A founder has to worry about threats and opportunities (17:55) - What got us here won't get us there (28:42) - Why are trials increasing in 2025? (34:20) - An update on Builder Methods (40:11) - Deciding when to drop or maintain a project (51:07) - People want AI on rails (01:12:28) - 37Signals new product Fizzy (01:15:52) - What's the benefit to open sourcing a project? (01:32:59) - Leaving some value on the table YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeAdam’s morning walk podcastBrian’s personal siteBrian’s DesignOS announcement37signals FizzyNathan Barry “Leave some value on the table”Tailwind CSS InsidersRework podcast “picking a price”

Brian and Justin discuss the recent launch of Filterhawk, which Brian built to replace Gmail's built-in filters. They also talk about SaaS marketing strategies (which channels still work?). Justin shares some initial numbers from the Black Friday sale.Timestamps:(00:06) - Follow up on last week's Justin mystery (02:51) - Brian launching Filterhawk (13:29) - How did Brian build Filterhawk in a week? (26:32) - The refinement phase (34:59) - Transistor's Black Friday sales (44:34) - BuilderMethodsPro Black Friday deal (49:34) - Brian's entering phase 2 of Builder Methods (01:06:28) - Thinking about where we have gaps in knowledge of our customers (01:09:45) - Thinking about marketing to teams and larger companies YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeFilterHawk – Take Control of Your Gmail InboxInertia.jsshadcn/uiClaudeCursorGoogle GeminisuperwhisperWispr FlowImproving frontend design through Skills | ClaudeHatchbox.ioForgeRewardfulStripe SigmaPanic – NovaGoogle AntigravityFrom AI skeptic to UNFAIR advantage – YouTubeHow remote work changed my lifePodscan.fm

Brian and Justin are joined by a surprise guest: Nadav Keyson, founder of Riverside. We had an impromptu conversation about how Riverside launched (and found traction), the impact of funding (vs bootstrapping), how Navad thinks about competition, and whether he thinks having investors leads to more stress.Timestamps:(00:10) - Agenda for the episode (02:19) - The future of The Panel (16:18) - WE'LL DO IT LIVE! (17:22) - Nadav Keyson from Riverside joins (22:27) - How much should we think about our competition? (26:15) - When did Riverside raise money and invest in content / SEO? (28:42) - What were the keys to building a stable product in a competitive space? (31:41) - What are the challenges ahead for Riverside? (35:00) - How much is AI involved in writing Riverside's code? (39:55) - Has Nadav's stress lessened as Riverside has grown? (50:47) - Why should someone use your app? Why you? (01:06:51) - Forming an opinion about the world vs finding demand for a solution (01:14:23) - Brian's building Filterhawk (01:26:41) - What happened to Justin? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeRiverside's original Product Hunt launchRob Snyder blog post: The Physics of StartupsBrian's new app: FilterHawkBrian's tweet

AI dev is changing rapidly, and... AI dev is rapidly changing how we build websites and apps. Brian and Justin wrestle with this new reality and discuss the different phases of a startup, how indies can cultivate brand loyalty, and when you should maybe do the opposite of what everyone else is doing.Timestamps:(00:00) - What does Justin do all day? (00:14) - Welcome to The Panel (04:05) - The phases of startups (20:04) - AI coding might be moving away from spec driven development (27:52) - The future of products is shifting regularly (31:46) - Building a website dynamically with AI (46:41) - How much brand loyalty do we have in the age of AI? (01:13:45) - Singing the counter melody YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodePanel Animated introHillchartsCheeky Pint interview with Anthropic founderDerek Sivers articleHumanoid robotOpenAI acquires app that watches youDuer JeansPlain English podcast

During the last live recording, Justin made a quick song for the folks who show up every week in the livestream chat.Dedicated to our regular "chat crew:" Zack, Dave Giunta, Emmett, Pascal, Ryan, Beau and more!LyricsVerse 1:They're typing fast when the stream goes liveZack and Emmett keeping vibes aliveTechnical issues? They don't careBeau's reloading but they're all still thereChorus:Chat room warriors, showing up on timePascal's dropping wisdom, Michael's speaking his mindFrom AgentOS to Rails debatesThese are the people who won't wait!Verse 2:Justin's laughing when the servers crashRyan's asking questions, making comments flashDave's talking marketing, attribution's toughPritch upgraded, saying that's enough!Chorus:Chat room warriors, showing up on timeInside jokes and asymmetric climbsFrom normy business to the tech eliteThese are the voices that can't be beat!Bridge:They guard their privacy but share their thoughtsCommunity guidelines, lessons taughtBelievers and creators side by sideIn the Panel's chat, there's nothing to hide!Final Chorus:Chat room warriors, every single weekPascal and Helen, everyone uniqueFrom bluegrass covers to the iron triangleThese are the people in the Panelangle!Outro:Yeah! The Panel Podcast crowd!Typing their hearts out, screaming loud!(Let's go! Let's go! Let's go!)Made with Suno

Justin spoke to a grade 12 class about entrepreneurship, and was surprised by what he learned about teenagers.Brian has thoughts on the impact of Agent OS v2.1 and struggles with the support burden of open-source software. They talk about “Wealth is the freedom from having to monetize every idea." Also: Johnny Ive and Rivian founder RJ Scaringe's product design processes.Timestamps:(00:00) - Now It's Time for The Panel (01:30) - AI music creation (05:45) - Segments update (06:39) - Casel or Castle or ? (07:55) - Justin's visit to a grade 12 entrepreneur class (18:14) - What kinds of questions did the kids ask? (23:31) - Projects that generate unwanted jobs (40:25) - The relief of wealth DHH tweet (56:19) - Jonny Ive and caring about design (01:05:14) - Cheeky Pint podcast interview with Rivian founder YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeSunoSuno intro song for The PanelJustin’s high school talkAgent OSBuilder Methods Pro DiscordTweet: “Wealth is the freedom from having to monetize every idea”Survey: How does Basecamp get new customers?Cheeky Pint podcast interview with Rivian founder

Aaron Francis joins The Panel this week to talk about entrepreneurship, programming, and parenting. We chatted about how personal experiences shape our business journeys, the evolution of programming tools, and the importance of identifying market signals for success. Timestamps:(00:16) - Aaron Francis joins The Panel (02:06) - How we're teaching our kids about programming? (09:36) - The gap between AI code and design (16:04) - How much AI are we using to write newsletters? (20:22) - The web feels like it's back (21:26) - Signals your business is working (43:47) - Navigating when to pivot (52:56) - What would you say to grade 12 class? (01:12:26) - How to decide what product to work on next (01:22:12) - Recording live streams of working sessions (01:35:35) - Worrying about ideal customers vs just trying stuff YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeMostly TechnicalAaron FrancisIan LandsmanDancing Without A Partner – Signal v. NoisePaper – design, share, shipNewsletter - Aaron FrancisPhil Vischer - WikipediaThePrimeagen - YouTube

Justin is impressed with V0's ability to build working prototypes quickly. We've also got Sora 2 thoughts. And... what should we teach our kids when AI makes everything easy? Brian launches Agent OS v2. Could either of us survive without the internet for more than a day?Timestamps:(00:00) - This can be the show (00:20) - Prototyping Transistor's episode creation UI in v0 (05:39) - Who would be working on this kind of project at Transistor? (12:55) - Our thoughts on Sora 2 (21:00) - How will we be able to tell what's human creations vs AI? (31:40) - Are kids growing up being too dependant on AI? (49:30) - What motivates us is different for each person (56:42) - Is building in AI the key to revenue? (01:02:10) - How has the launch of AgentOS v2 going? (01:06:47) - Customers pulling vs pushing to customers (01:09:55) - Brian's thinknig around content for pro members (01:16:15) - Could we survive in a cabin in the woods without internet? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeSora by ChatGPT0xFramer on XCheeky Pint: Des Traynor on Intercom (transcript at 35m15s)Mind the Game PodcastTony Dinh: Oct 2025 Updates - Code, Money, and TravelTypingMind - LLM Frontend Chat UIAgent OS - AI Coding Agents SystemSpec-Driven Development WorkshopMostly Technical: Vision QuestJustin Jackson: 2017 Year in ReviewAlex Duggleby on AI and Junior Developers

Justin Jackson and Brian Casel discuss the evolving landscape of entrepreneurship, particularly in the context of AI's impact on product development, creativity, and the job market. They explore the importance of having a clear vision when using AI tools, the challenges faced by junior developers, and the enduring need for human connection in art and media. The discussion also touches on the future of work, the role of AI in enhancing productivity, and the implications for artists and creators in a rapidly changing environment.Timestamps:(01:48) - Vibe coding a marketing tool for Transistor (11:23) - Coding with AI vs designing with AI (18:35) - Is vibe coding a playground or for serious development work? (24:57) - Negativity around AI and building (46:24) - Artists and AI (01:00:36) - Will we ever go back to the social days of Twitter (01:08:34) - What are your Q4 goals? Do you think about end of the year business planning? (01:31:27) - The importance of telling people what you're doing (01:42:53) - The benefits of a long career YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodev0 by VercelDribbble BalsamiqBig Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow. - The New York TimesAaron Francis on XThe Last Days Of Social MediaStratechery by Ben ThompsonDitheringAgent OS

Justin vibe-coded an app 5 minutes before recording this episode. Justin and the Transistor team just got back from Banff for their annual company retreat. How do these retreats actually work? What are they good for? Brian has some pretty good signups for Builder Methods Pro memberships! (How can he keep that momentum going?) He's also juggling Agent OS customer support.Timestamps:(00:00) - Intro (00:21) - Justin's been vibe coding again (02:11) - Transistor's company retreat (14:48) - The benefits of hiring a photographer for team retreats (21:56) - Laying out the vision for Transistor (25:23) - An easy way to tell how often you're shipping new features (34:45) - Builder Methods workshop update (41:31) - Selling annual subscriptions (46:40) - The mixture of feelings around launching (48:52) - The struggle of dealing with inbound messages (54:47) - Figuring out how to help teams as well as individuals (57:54) - What do Justin and Jon want next? (01:16:08) - Should we think about our competitors? (01:31:44) - Vibe coding vs AI assistant in the code YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeJustin's vibe-code app: Segments – Podcast recording timerJustin's app demo videoTown of CanmoreChris Enns: podcast editorBuild Your SaaS | An update from Justin and JonWhat's Next? with Brian CaselClaude Code | ClaudeFast and reliable end-to-end testing for modern web apps | Playwright

We're joined by Ian Landsman, from the Mostly Technical podcast, joins us to chat about Outro.fm and Helpspot. We talk digital fatigue, the challenges of maintaining an online presence, the importance of building a community around shared interests, finding the right audience, and balancing personal goals with business objectives. As Brian⁩ prepares to launch Builder Methods Pro, we debate the value of community feedback and the potential for unforeseen opportunities in creating content online. Ian talks with us about the development of Outro.fm as an all-in-one solution for podcasters, the importance of building a membership community, the production side of podcasting tools, and the challenges faced in the podcasting market. Also: the difference between one-time sale products (courses) and SaaS.Timestamps:(00:06) - The pre-show is the show (00:23) - Quitting Twitter (06:19) - Redesigning his website with AI (07:53) - Deciding on what a channel is for (13:59) - Chasing views and likes (20:58) - What are we up to this week (29:36) - Why subscription and community vs team training and consulting (50:32) - What should the premium content be for day one? (57:08) - What is Outro.fm? (01:15:04) - Who are Outro.fm's competition? (01:21:47) - Selling sponsorships for podcasts as a product (01:25:43) - The bet on how much revenue you'll get from your work (01:43:59) - Step 1: Become famous YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeIan LandsmanA Smart BearBuilder Methods | Training for AI-first software developersOutro.fmMostly Technical Member Site | OutroThe Podcast Website Builder | PodpageLuma · Delightful Events Start HereThe Changelog podcastSyntax - Web Development PodcastHelp desk software for effortless email support

Brian is wondering: how do you manage a popular open source project? Justin went to Toronto and introduced his son to Adam Wathan, Wes Bos, Steve Schoger, and Caleb Porzio. Why does the same amount of effort produce wildly different results? And... is everyone getting tired of all this copycat content that's optimized for algorithms? Timestamps:(00:20) - Preview of what we're going to talk about (02:11) - Builder Methods Pro and AgentOS (03:58) - The importance of human content in an age of algorithmic feeds (25:55) - Connecting with people in real life (33:52) - Zeroing in on Builder Methods revenue (48:25) - Managing an open source project in public (59:22) - The importance of enthusiasm in projects (01:12:21) - Effort and outcome YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeSam Sulek YouTube ChannelBuilder Methods WorkshopJustin’s Toronto HangoutMarketing is a Transfer of EnthusiasmAgent OS GitHub ProjectOpen Source Contribution Guidelines (Litestream)37signals Book Royalties RevenueEffort vs Outcome Blog Post1,000 True FansOmarchy 2.0Wes BosDownie - YouTube Video Downloader for macOS

Justin's been using Stripe Sigma to learn a lot more about the history of revenue at Transistor. He had a phone call with Jason Cohen about how to get what you want out of your business. And Brian talks through the same frameworks to figure out what might work best for Builder Methods including exploration of courses, cohorts, community, and more.Timestamps:(00:06) - We're back! (00:59) - Brian's healthcare journey (09:36) - Deep dive into Stripe Sigma and Transistor's history (37:38) - Asking yourself the hard questions about your business (42:12) - The value of taking a win now (57:29) - What does Brian want with BuilderMethods (01:14:35) - Rob Snyder's Pull framework (01:30:48) - Can you do community well without the time commitment? (01:35:17) - Cohort vs courses (01:57:23) - How long is a long podcast episode? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeJason Cohen: About the authorMostly TechnicalChartMogul | CRM & Subscription Analytics built for B2B SaaS growthMessage from PaddleKit: Email-First Operating System for Creators (formerly ConvertKit)Build Your SaaS | The “charge more” debateAverage Podcast Downloads: Podcast Measurement and GrowthFinding FulfillmentAgent OS | A free open-source system to train smart AI coding agentsThe PULL framework - by Rob SnyderJay Clouse - Creator ScienceLearn Laravel | LaracastsWes BosLearn Ruby on Rails | GoRails

Justin is wondering whether AI customer support is worth it. Brian is navigating the emotional rollercoaster of YouTube. He's wondering whether he should pursue sponsorships as a revenue stream. Brian introduces Agent OS, a new development tool designed to streamline coding processes when working with AI tooling (which got a big reaction during the live stream).Timestamps:(00:33) - Justin's experiment with AI support chat bots (15:20) - Do you want AI writing your responses? (19:06) - Trying to figure out why Brian's latest video didn't work as well (26:35) - How important is it to keep publishing every week? (30:56) - Thinking sponsorship vs products (45:36) - The value of community (56:23) - What is Agent OS? (01:05:00) - Should Agent OS be free? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeBentoTransistor’s new customer service pageAgent OSAgent OS on GitHubBrian’s YouTubeColin and Samir interview by Jay ClouseColin and SamirJay Clouse’s revenue breakdownWes BosSyntax.fm

AI and programming is a hot topic, and it feels like Brian⁩ has found that "founder/audience" fit where his interests align with a wave of audience interest. He and Justin discuss their process for making YouTube videos. Justin also asks: "how do we ensure that our worst tendencies don’t bloom" when we're making products? (Founder retreats and masterminds come up). The big topic: Brian's not loving SaaS (anymore).Timestamps:(00:06) - Brian's YouTube journey (04:29) - What Brian's hoping BuilderMethods could be (08:26) - What does Brian's YouTube video script look like? (10:59) - Why is AI so bad for YouTube editors? (16:57) - One thing Descript really nails (19:44) - How Steve Jobs ruined his early companies (24:25) - Learning about your blindspots (28:40) - Seeking connection in mastermind groups or conferences (38:00) - How can we make sure we don't follow our worst impulses? (42:23) - Zooming in on our battery: what gives us energy? (53:00) - Getting alignment between what you love and what makes you money (01:00:10) - What might not work for one person, can be a smash hit for another (01:03:20) - What is the paid value of content lead companies? (01:21:07) - There are business models that are difficult YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeClarity Flow - Brian's SaaS productTransistor.fm - Justin's companyBuilder MethodsThe Panel Podcast (@panelpodcast.com) | TikTokDescript: Edit Videos & Podcasts Like a Doc | AI Video EditorDaVinci Resolve | Blackmagic DesignDitheringDaring FireballShawn Blanc: Focus Like a Bosscalf + clover creameryDaniel PinkTallyProfit First - Mike MichalowiczMike Michalowicz – How the author of Profit First stays lean by licensing his ideasApple in ChinaJustin’s BlueSky post on Steve JobsThe Pull FrameworkBowling drawingMarketing help for programmers, software companies, and SaaSChecklist idea for marketing pageProfit first professionals

It's Justin's turn in the hot seat to talk about what he's got in his buckets: which projects make the most money? Which take the most time? Where is he focused on breaking new ground? How does Transistor, The Podcast Standards Projects, and other projects he's got going all fit together? Plus: what kind of grit, desire, and resilience do you need to actually build a company that works?Timestamps:(01:09) - Why Brian will never join your Slack (04:54) - What email client did Brian switch to? (16:56) - Justin's matrix of boxes (17:58) - What are Justin's boxes? (19:54) - What is the Podcast Standards Project? (28:57) - The benefits of working in the same place together (35:49) - Pushing back on Justin's time allotement (38:48) - What's the work in the investment portfolio? (48:34) - Having the motivation and ability to commit (58:24) - Running your own business + a family changes the calculations (01:01:04) - Getting encouragment from simple projects YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeIllustration: Justin's bucketsInstrumental Components - Brian's new productClarity Flow - Brian's SaaS productTransistor.fm - Justin's companyBuilder MethodsInstrumental ComponentsHEY – A delightfully fresh take on email + calendar, from 37signalsSuperhuman | The most productive email app ever madeShortwave | DownloadReadwisePodcast Standards Project | Advocating for open podcastingProjectionLab - Modern Financial & Retirement Planning ToolsTiny | We buy wonderful businessesGoing independent (2016 year in review)Here are some other podcasts we likeFor next week: Andrew Wilkinson's tweet about AI

Brian Casel shares a first look at BuilderMethods.com. Brian dig into how he's going to grow an email list from scratch, and we had a great chat about what makes an email newsletter awesome.The bulk of our chat was about honestly assessing the resources, time, and energy Brian is putting into each project, and how much revenue each project is producing. (Check out Justin's diagram here)Timestamps:(00:05) - We're back live! (01:15) - What is BuilderMethods.com? (04:04) - Brian's building a newsletter builder first (08:17) - What makes a good newsletter? (15:44) - Do videos work in email newsletters? (20:00) - Next steps for Brian in the business: products to offer? (22:17) - Offering consulting and coaching (25:20) - Does it all feel overwhelming to take on? (30:53) - Visualizing Brian's project's revenue vs time (34:05) - Audience building vs Saas building (41:56) - How excited is Brian about each project? (58:14) - How do you quantify the time and revenue? YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeInstrumental Components - Brian's new productClarity Flow - Brian's SaaS productTransistor.fm - Justin's companyBuilder MethodsInstrumental ComponentsAudience OpsJustin’s “Bob Ross” strategy diagramMarketing for DevsCuratedMailbrewA Book ApartWeb framework popularityHitenismAaron Francis NewsletterTangleProduct market fit collapseWhy Justin pivoted businesses in 2018

Brian's walking through the new website and idea he's launching and getting Justin's feedback on what he thinks will work and what could use refining, the struggle of creating video content in 2025, keeping course content fresh, whether another podcast is the best use of time, and whether targeting junior or professional software developers is the best route to go.Timestamps:(00:00) - What broke the internet? (02:00) - Sports is heartache (05:49) - The trouble with hosting video costs (24:57) - What is Brian launching? (35:13) - The struggle of creating video content (37:48) - How are people finding the videos on YouTube? (47:19) - What do we think about the revenue opportunities for Brian's idea? (51:49) - Keeping a course and content fresh in 2025 (59:38) - Should Brian start another podcast? (01:04:21) - Should I target junior or professional software developers with AI training? (01:22:20) - Live shoutouts YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeInstrumental Components - Brian's new productClarity Flow - Brian's SaaS productTransistor.fm - Justin's companyAmazon S3MuxHTTP Live StreamingDelivering 15TB of 4K video with Cloudflare R2 for $2.18How About Tomorrow?Cloudflare StreamFFmpegHow Vibe Coding Goes PRObuildermethods.comDescriptScreenFlowTelestream BlogStephen RoblesMostly TechnicalCRUSH Your Backlog With Background Agents in CursorNo, AI Won’t Turn Everyone Into App Developers

Big episode! Brian shares the results of his launch of Instrumental Components (sales numbers, and how he's feeling). He also talks about his next project: helping devs and teams navigate how to use AI in software development and design. This episode was recorded live, with tons of folks joining us in the "panel" chat. Adam Wathan ended up joining us last-minute to talk about how he's changed is mind on AI and coding, and how AI is affecting Tailwind's business.Timestamps:(02:50) - What is Instrumental Components and how has the launch been? (11:06) - Why not go for something big? (24:26) - What you hear online vs the reality of what's going on (29:24) - Pricing change for Instrumental Components (34:04) - Where Brian's going next (51:42) - Adam Wathan on how they're using AI (01:06:14) - Writing PRD for AI instead of prompt writing (01:09:39) - How is AI going to affect Adam's business? (01:24:03) - Vibe coding personal projects YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeInstrumental Components - Brian's new productClarity Flow - Brian's SaaS productTransistor.fm - Justin's companyIntegrate Open AI and Anthropic APIs into your Rails applications (video)Rob Walling's Stair Step approachVercel's new V0 AI toolThorsten Ball's article: How to build an agentMostly Technical | 85: Screencasting.com Launch FailureThe Steve Ballmer Interview: The Complete History and StrategyTaskMaster AI SolutionsClaude Code OverviewAI Video EditorFigma AI CreativityRand Fishkin on Marketing

Justin just got back from a big trip to London UK for the podcast industry conference, and honestly, it's got him thinking about some big thoughts about the podcasting medium. This episode starts out with an honest chat between Brian and Justin: 'How are you feeling about the podcast so far?'Timestamps:(00:06) - Just the two of us (01:06) - The struggle with guests on a podcast (10:33) - What if we did it live? (16:46) - What's Justin been up to? (20:28) - How does the shift in podcasting affect Transistor? (24:50) - Justin's universal theory about podcasting (39:51) - One reason Justin is hopeful (43:42) - The pipeline problem is a big one for startups (51:19) - How could Transistor work in a video podcast world (57:53) - Why Justin is hopeful about Apple Podcasts YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episodeThe Podcast ShowInstrumental Components - Brian's new productClarity Flow - Brian's SaaS productTransistor.fm - Justin's company