Claim OwnershipThe Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
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Podcast by Industrial Relations Section, Princeton University
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Morris Kleiner, professor and AFL-CIO Chair in Labor Policy at the Humphrey School of Public Affairs at the University of Minnesota, discusses his academic background, his research on state-to-state labor migration and occupational licensing, and his impact on public policy.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-09/043-TWGO-Kleiner_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/morris-kleiner-2025
Charles Brown, professor of economics and research professor of the Survey Research Center, emeritus at the University of Michigan, discusses his upbringing in Ohio, his academic studies at Boston College and Harvard, his work on labor economics, and his time as director of the Panel Survey of Income Dynamics (PSID).
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-09/042-TWGO-Brown_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/charles-brown-2025
William B. Gould IV, the Charles A. Beardsley Professor of Law, emeritus at the Stanford University Law School, discusses his work on labor relations, his chairmanship at the National Labor Relations Board, and a remarkable great-grandfather who escaped slavery and joined the Union Navy in the Civil War.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-05/041-TWGO-Gould_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/william-gould-iv-2025
Michael Moskow, the vice chair and distinguished fellow, global economy at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, discusses his work on labor relations, collective bargaining, and his numerous posts in both the private and public sectors, including at the U.S. Labor Department, and the Council of Economic Advisers.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-04/040-TWGO-Moskow_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/michael-moskow-2025
Gavin Wright, William Robertson Coe Professor of American Economic History, emeritus, at Stanford University, discusses his work on the economics of slavery, Black mobility patterns after the Civil War, and his thoughts on the current state of Black economies in the American South.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-04/039-TWGO-Wright_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/gavin-wright-2025
Heidi Hartmann, distinguished economist in residence at American University and emeritus founder and president of the Institute of Women’s Policy Research, discusses her work in the public policy arena, especially her studies on the gender gap and equal pay, and her on-going thoughts on women and the economics profession.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-03/038-TWGO-Hartmann_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/heidi-hartmann-2025
Michael Reich, professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, discusses his studies of labor market segmentation, the beneficial effects of the minimum wage on the economy, the current climate of political polarization, and his belief that the 2024 elections indicate a marked transition for the U.S. economy.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-02/037-TWGO-Reich_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/michael-reich-2025
Harry Katz, the Jack Sheinkman Professor of Collective Bargaining at Cornell University’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations, discusses his academic background, his studies of collective bargaining, his work with the United Auto Workers (UAW), and his ongoing thoughts on how to make labor negotiations more inclusive and cooperative.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-12/036-TWGO-Katz_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/harry-katz-2024
Henry Farber, Hughes-Rogers Professor of Economics emeritus at Princeton University, discusses his early life growing up in an industrial, working-class town in New Jersey, his early interest in labor unions and his nearly fifty-year-long study of labor economics.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-11/035-TWGO-Farber_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/henry-farber-2024
George Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, discusses his early life in Cuba, his experiences as an immigrant in the United States, his schooling at Columbia University, and his thoughts on the current immigration debate in the United States.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-11/034-TWGO-Borjas_transcript.pdf.
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/George-Borjas-2024.
Robert Moffitt, the Krieger-Eisenhower Professor of Economics at Johns Hopkins University, discusses his early education, his interest in labor economics, applied microeconometrics, and welfare policy, and how his work has influenced major debates in public policy, especially the economics of low-income populations in the United States.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-10/033-TWGO-Moffitt_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/robert-moffitt-2024
Samuel Bowles, Emeritus Professor of Economics at the University of Massachusetts and Research Professor and Director of the Behavioral Sciences Program at the Santa Fe Institute, discusses his deep-rooted interest in economic inequality and how his work has challenged many of the conventional assumptions of modern economic theory.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-10/032-TWGO-Bowles_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/samuel-bowles-2024
Marjorie McElroy, Professor of Economics at Duke University, joins the podcast to discuss her long and varied academic career, her research on the economics of marriage and the family, and, especially, the challenges and gender discrimination she faced as, at the time, one of the few female economists pursuing a traditionally male-dominated profession.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-09/031-TWGO-McElroy_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/marjorie-mcelroy-2024
For the 30th episode of "The Work Goes On", we flipped the script and asked our long-time host Orley Ashenfelter, the Joseph Douglas Green 1895 Professor of Economics, Emeritus at Princeton University and former director of Princeton’s Industrial Relations Section (IR Section), to start answering questions instead of asking them. Janet Currie, the Henry Putnam Professor of Economics and Public Affairs at Princeton and one of Orley’s former students, joins us in this episode as a special guest host.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-09/030-TWGO-Ashenfelter_transcript.pdf.
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/orley-ashenfelter-2024
Ernst Stromsdorfer, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Washington State University, joins the podcast to discuss his impressive body of research on the impact of labor market programs on different groups of people, and his wide-ranging career across academia, the private sector, and state and federal governments.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-06/029-TWGO-Stromsdorfer_transcript3.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/ernst-stromsdorfer-2024
David Lewin, the Neil Jacoby Emeritus Professor of Management and Human Resources at UCLA’s Anderson Graduate School of Management. joins the podcast to discuss what sparked his interest in unions and grievance procedures, the Federal Trade Commission's new plan to ban noncompete agreements, and why unionization will re-emerge in the U.S. south and elsewhere.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-05/028-TWGO-Lewin_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/david-lewin-2024
Robert T. Michael, the Eliakim Hastings Moore Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus and Dean Emeritus at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy, joins the podcast to discuss his path to the University of Chicago, why he loves teaching, and the challenges of collecting vital data on sensitive topics like human sexual behavior.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-04/027-TWGO-Michael_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/robert-michael-2024
Barry Chiswick, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at George Washington University, joins the podcast to discuss his wealth of research on immigration and what he learned studying Jewish Americans in the labor market.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-03/026-TWGO-Chiswick_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/barry-chiswick-2024
Robert Flanagan, the Matsushita Professor of International Labor Economics and Policy Analysis Emeritus at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business, joins the podcast to discuss what he’s learned both studying and working for unions, how his time in a musician’s union inspired him to research financial difficulties in the performing arts, and more.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-03/025-TWGO-Flanagan_transcript-edit2.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/robert-flanagan-2024
Bob Gregory, Professor Emeritus at the Research School of Economics at Australian National University, joins the podcast to discuss how getting polio at fourteen years old affected his life trajectory, why he fell in love with economics, and his many contributions as a public servant.
Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-02/024-TWGO-Gregory_transcript.pdf
For more details on this episode, visit:
https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/bob-gregory-2024
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