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Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, an ongoing exploration on the future of Platforms & Ecosystems: in these conversations we make sense of what’s next.

Here we explore new perspectives about how we organise at scale in a rapidly changing world.
87 Episodes
In our first episode this season, we dive into the world of open platforms and the future of organizing. With his thought-provoking presentation of “Gardening Platforms”, our guest Alex Komoroske, helps create a shift in mindset towards a more achievable and sustainable approach in creating impactful technology solutions. We explore his key learnings from leading products at Google Chrome, and how he continues to implement these in his own journey today. Talking on questions of morality, control, and designing for the nefarious users, there’s so much Alex offers in this podcast, and we hope you take from it, as much as we did.  Alex Komoroske, is truly one to get inspired by when we think of the potential that powerful technology solutions can create. For 13 years, he worked with Google, building some of the most cherished products that came from the organization. Heading product for a company that affects billions of lives is no easy feat, and Alex did just that for Google Chrome. He took his vast ocean of knowledge, and for the last two years has helped shape Stripe, as their Head of Strategy. In his flip-book style presentation, aptly titled, “Gardening Platforms”, he discusses the fundamental emergent power dynamics of platforms, how to evolve an existing platform to continuously improve it, and how to create a new platform from scratch. This got us truly hooked, and we are glad that Alex joined us to discuss this, and many more mind-tinkering concepts in our podcast. We touch upon the inherently complex and evolutionary  nature of platforms, the role of composability and modularity, and what it means to be sensitive to socio-technical implications of your solutions.  Get ready to be inspired by his high-impact journey, brutal honesty, and some remarkable recommendations of books and concepts that have shaped his thoughts and processes.   Key Highlights  👉 Platforms can be imagined as a swarm of energy, between multiple entities interacting with one another. 👉 Why you don’t always need a big-bang for product launches, and oftentimes self-accumulating users are what’s best for the platform’s success. 👉 Why a gardener mindset, rather than a builder mindset, is poised to reward a product more success. 👉 How organizations can prepare and design for open platforms that are resilient and expansive, but chaotic and hard to control.    Topics /chapters (00:00) Quote by Alex Komoroske (00:39) Simone welcomes audience (01:26) Alex Introduction (04:28) Platforms as Complex Adaptive Systems and Gardening Platforms (09:08) “Coherence” an attribute for platform development in Open vs. Closed Platforms (12:22) Rebound from Centralized Platforms (16:36) Translating chaotic and complex ecosystems into actionable initiatives in organizations (29:04) Trust, Organizational Accountability, and Micro enterprises (39:18) Moral implications of building platforms and open source movements (49:08) Design for Participation (53:42) Power of Decision Makers in influencing platform design (01:00:09) Breadcrumbs (Suggested content from Alex) Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:  Recorded on 30th September 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Twitter: Website: LinkedIn: Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:   
We’re back at the Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, with an all new Season No. 5.  Join us, as we bridge the worlds of technology, geopolitics, culture, and policymaking. We take a dive deep into the fabric of tomorrow's world, sharing inspiring stories from innovative organizations leading the way in product and platform development. Learn how to build resilient, adaptable entities that thrive amidst change. Stay informed, break free from echo chambers, and become a change-maker in your organization.  Subscribe to our podcasts on your favorite podcasting platforms, and help us shape a richer, more democratic dialogue about the future of organizing.  Explore our vision at as we bring to you - Platform and Ecosystems, from the edge to the core. For more information: Get in touch with Boundaryless: - Twitter:   - Website:   - LinkedIn:  Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:
In this season wrap up, podcast hosts Simone Cicero and Stina Heikkilä talk about the new research compass of Boundaryless and ruminate on some of the gems of the season. Simone and Stina also share some highlights from the long list of episodes of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast — almost 90 and counting! — and provide some pointers for future research. It’s worth catching up with the ideas in the recent blog A Research Compass: Platform-Ecosystem Thinking in 2023 when listening to the wrap up. Some of the topics that stood out forming the substance of the new compass include: AI and other technological enablers A new product management framing Building Ecosystemically Software-powered Organizational Evolutions A new Organizational Focus on Resilience The wrap up provides a good appetizer for the upcoming season, which will have some novelties and more co-hosts in store. A special shout-out to Stina who won’t be co-hosting the next season of the podcast. It’s been a great ride and we’re sure that she’ll be back co-hosting more episodes in the future! Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Twitter: Website: LinkedIn: Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
In this season’s final episode, we talk to Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky about how our old ideas of what's normal are disappearing. There is a need to bridge the gap between old and emerging systems, encouraging exploration and experimentation to unlock our Ecosystemic Future. Bill Fischer has spent his entire career involved in innovation, from being a practicing development engineer in industry and government; to being an academic researcher, teacher and writer; to being involved in several startups. He is presently a Senior Lecturer at the Sloan School of Management, at MIT, and an Emeritus Professor of Innovation Management at IMD, in Lausanne, Switzerland. Lisa Gansky is a social provocateur, serial entrepreneur, angel investor, advisor, international keynote speaker and author of the bestselling book, “The Mesh: Why the Future of Business is Sharing”. Her work on trust, the sharing economy & innovation has been central in rethinking 21st century governance, business models & community dynamics.   The challenges organizations are facing in adapting to rapid change show how traditional organizational structures are no longer working. To adapt to the changing landscape, a mix between AI, Web3 technologies and new ways to governance can allow for flexible and modular ways of organizing.  New promises emerge through the overlap between organizations and software that can unlock new ecosystem potential where different players and customers come together, focusing on local relationships and embracing transience for more innovative solutions.  Beyond all, it’s important to keep up with optionality and dynamism, both key to the nature of Ecosystemic thinking: co-creation and increasing diversity and variance are going to be key in the markets of the future.  These elements provide the backdrop for this Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future. Key Highlights  👉 The “not yet” is moving faster than the speed at which organizations can adapt 👉  Un-centralizing for the future: creating Smaller units with more autonomy 👉  Challenges ahead: technology, jobs, and rethinking traditional career paths 👉  The old model of “define, refine and scale” is being disrupted by something that's more turbulent and community oriented. 👉  The S-curve of technology is getting shorter and the narrative behind it different 👉  Companies need T shaped individuals to serve hubs of people within ecosystems 👉  Everything is 100% temporal, but our legal systems, our laws, our tax codes, our everything, our educational systems can't keep up with that model.   Topics /chapters (00:00) Dynamic Models and Local Engagement: Nature's Inspiration for Future Relationships (01:24) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky introduction (02:58) Adapting Products, Services, and Work in an Uncertain World (14:27) Redefining Careers: From Hierarchy to Portfolio of Projects (23:31) Exploring the Potential of Web3 Governance and Programmable Protocols (39:46) The Path to Coherence: Navigating the Convergence and Variance in Future Markets (51:05) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky’s breadcrumbs   Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:  Recorded on April 13th 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Twitter: Website: LinkedIn: Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:   
In this episode we dive into the world of smart contracts and their remarkable impact on organizational design. Our guest Justice Conder provides a thought-provoking introduction to what he calls the third law of nature of smart contracts. We explore the transformative journey from traditional corporations to the realm of Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs) keeping a non ideological mindset and examining the challenges of bridging the gap between the two paradigms. Justice Conder does DAO Ecosystem Development at Polygon Labs. Before this he was a full-stack developer and Agile practitioner for over ten years and entered the world of DAOs through BanklessDAO, where he contributed as a governance solution engineer. With Justice we explore the disconnect between DAOs and traditional organizations, investigating how smart contracts - as a conceptual evolution of DevOps - could play a pivotal role in driving organizational transformation. We also discuss how pioneering transformations such as the one with Haier’s management model, Rendanheyi, has a symbiotic relationship with the on-chain revolution, offering insights into the future of organizational design and management. Get ready to be inspired by the immense potential of Web3 capabilities in product development, and discover how these capabilities can be harnessed to unleash innovation, foster user engagement, and shape the future of products and organizations. Key Highlights  👉 Smart Contracts and the Third Law of Nature 👉 DAOs are ideologically framed: a movement for more equitable organizations 👉 DACs (corporations) rather than DAOs (organizations) may be the space where most of the promises of smart organization lies 👉 DAOs can magnify rather than solve the tragedy of the commons if leadership is missing 👉 Progressive decentralization is better than presumptive 👉 To be on top of organizational transformation, you need to look far ahead of the current state Topics /chapters (00:00) Smart Contracts: The Unbreakable Third Law of Nature (00:55) Justin introduction (01:51) from the traditional world into the DAO world (04:40) Bridging the Gap: Exploring the Disconnect Between DAOs and Traditional Organizations (18:13) The Role of DevOps, Smart Contracts and DAOs in Organizational Transformation (27:23) Rendanheyi and the On-Chain Revolution: the Future of Organizational Management (41:47) Unleashing the Potential: Harnessing Web3 Capabilities for Product Development (54:43) Justice Conder's breadcrumbs   Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: Recorded on June 2nd 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Twitter: Website: LinkedIn: Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:   
Join us in our latest podcast episode as we delve into the world of design with Dr. Christian Bason, CEO of the Danish Design Center. We explore the crucial role of how we think - the “thinking” part of design thinking - in addressing global challenges. Drawing from one of his latest books "Expand: Stretching the Future By Design", co-authored with Jens Martin Skibsted, Christian introduces the concept of six expansions: time, proximity, life, value, dimensions, and sectors. These expansions encourage designers to break free from traditional boundaries and tackle complex issues like climate change, pandemics, and digitization. We also discuss the dynamic nature of design modes and methods, highlighting the importance of agency and adaptability in diverse contexts. Dr. Christian Bason brings his expertise in innovation, design, policy and leadership to enrich our conversation. Before becoming CEO of the Danish Design Center, Christian gathered a wealth of experience leading organizations such as MindLab, the Danish government’s innovation team, and Ramboll Management Consulting. He has published in amongst other Harvard Business Review and Stanford Social Innovation Review and has taught executives at Oxford Saïd Business School, Henley MBA, the European School of Administration and Copenhagen Business School.  With Christian, we dive deep into the ethical considerations surrounding technological innovation and the responsibilities of designers and developers in the digital space. Our conversation examines the impact of technology on society and emphasizes the need for governance mechanisms to keep up with rapid advancements. The podcast further explores the role of designers as decision-makers and their responsibility at various scales. We look into the transformative power of unlocking individual creativity and cultivating innovative cultures within organizations. Lastly, we confront the current state of the world and examine the rise of autocracies and surveillance societies, questioning why top-down control has become such a prevailing force. Christian proposes that we have agency to create more sustainable and human-centered organizational forms that can effectively navigate complexity and build alternative futures. Join us for this captivating podcast episode as we navigate the future of design, highlighting the transformative power of agency, and embrace a world where creativity and collaboration pave the way for a better tomorrow. Key Highlights  👉 We need to expand our thinking about the future in six areas: time, proximity, life, value, dimensions, sectors. 👉 By adopting a designer's mindset, we should embrace agency to shape our future. 👉 Human imagination and ideas around what is good need to dominate no matter what technology we have at our disposal. 👉 Designers in the digital space have incredible power today because of their ability to scale. 👉 Many organizations are stuck in 19th or 20th century ways of thinking. 👉 Technologies allowing for large-scale distributed coordination exist, but many corporates prefer to exert top-down control. 👉 To enable technology as a catalyst for leadership, we must design organizations that prioritize our beliefs about people rather than solely focusing on technology. 👉 Groups of people together deciding to make a change is the only thing that's ever changed the world.   Topics /chapters (00:00) Do organization layers inevitably have to grow as an organization expands? (01:01) Christian Bason’s introduction (02:08) Expand: Stretching the Future By Design - Exploring the Boundaries of Design Thinking (14:33) Human Agency in the Age of Technological Advancement (23:37) The Need for a Designer’s Perspective in Technology and Innovation (32:41) Balancing Technological Awareness and Leadership in the Digital Age (42:42) Imagining a Better Future: The Crisis of Imagination and Design (49:51) Christian Bason's breadcrumbs Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: Recorded on May 2nd 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at  Twitter: Website: LinkedIn:   Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
Dr. Nafeez Ahmed joins the show to share his insights about the disruptive nature of technological progress and how it impacts society. He brings our attention to how the transformation of five fundamental production sectors - energy, transport, food, information, and materials - urges organizations to prepare for a decade of global phase shift.   In this episode, Dr Nafeez Ahmed helps us gain a better understanding of how exponential technological advancements and economic factors are reshaping our civilization, leading us towards a more decentralized organizing system in a pivotal decade. Nafeez is a systems theorist with over 20 years experience, and works as change strategy consultant and investigative journalist. He is the Creator of the Age of Transformation newsletter where he writes about systems thinking for what he calls 'the global phase shift'. He is Director of the Futures Lab at United Communications Ltd where he leads on system transformation advisory services for governments, businesses and charities. Nafeez is also a Distinguished Fellow at the Schumacher Institute for Sustainable Systems and a Commissioner at the Club of Rome's Transformational Economics Commission. In this episode, we uncover the challenges faced by established industries in light of the rise of new technologies. With Nafeez, we explore strategic approaches to successfully navigate this phase shift, including basing decisions on the best available empirical evidence and data, and the need for new ways of collaborating in the face of increasing convergence across different sectors under transformation. Nafeez shares his insights about the economic implications of AI and the exciting possibilities of reimagining our future organizing system to fit new systems of production. Get ready to delve into the next decade’s phase shift and discover the significance of strategic pivoting in response!    Key highlights 👉 The need for a new organizational system to cope with technological disruptions and convergence in key sectors: energy, transport, food, information, and materials 👉 The importance of active government involvement in rethinking strategies for the global phase shift, from re-evaluating industry investments and supporting workers’ transition to new sectors, to eliminating subsidies and implementing carbon tax. 👉 Technological advancements in AI and renewable energy will cause us to reconsider our conventional organizing system, with decreased reliance on traditional labor and increased opportunities for participation through decentralized production networks. 👉 To navigate the changing landscape and seize the opportunities presented by technological advancements, decision-making based on the science and data available, and the adoption of new ways of collaboration across sectors, are essential.    Topics / Chapters (00:00) Nafeez Ahmed quote (00:54) Nafeez Ahmed introduction (02:26) Rethink Humanity: The Unprecedented Disruptions Shaping Our Future (20:56) From Energy to AI: Unthinkable Transformations and Strategic Responses (37:32) Navigating the Emergence of Networked and Decentralized Systems (50:37) Building a New Civilization: Seizing the Unprecedented Opportunities of Clean Energy and AI (59:24) Nafeez Ahmed's breadcrumbs Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:  Recorded on April 28th 2023. Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at  Twitter: Website: LinkedIn: Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert join us to share the latest news from Ownco - a platform that combines the best aspects of cooperatives, DAOs, and traditional startups to make shared ownership and the ownership economy more fluid and accessible. Ownco’s approach to distributing ownership moves along four key dimensions - Upsides, Status, Influence, Redemption - and is an approach born through testing hypotheses and assessing the actual results produced by early adopters.  For example, through Ownco’s credit system companies can issue ownership credits that can be backed - through a legal bridge - with exit proceeds, providing ownership-backed incentives for contributors. Ownco believes that achieving ownership sharing can be done with existing legal contracts, while at the same time the potential impacts of Web 3 may be important for the long term. Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert are the co-founders with Harry Wilson (not on this podcast) of Ownco. Špela Prijon has been active with startups for a long time, as a founder and team member. Most recently Špel awas Head of CX at Ledgy, leading implementation of all types of equity plans for 100s of startups from seed to IPO stage, in jurisdictions all over the world and it was with such an intimate knowledge of the processes of sharing ownership. Sascha Kellert is a serial-entrepreneur who studied Systems Theory at Bayes Business School in London with a thesis exploring how to design viable businesses using patterns and blueprints from nature. Over the last decade he has been developing practices and tools for the alternative ownership economy, while building his last two VC-funded SaaS/platform startups. In this episode, we delve into several practical use cases, talk through regulatory and governance issues, and explore Ownco’s vision of boundaryless, networked organizations, with micro-teams connected through smart contracts and programmable ownership sharing.  Enjoy this both practical and inspiring conversation with two of the passionate founders of Ownco.  Key Highlights  👉 There are more ways to promote co-ownership than developing full-fledged DAOs 👉 The future is in networks of micro-companies 👉 Ownco’s four dimensions of co-ownership: Upsides, Status, Influence, Redemption. 👉 How trust is essential in the time between issuing and fulfilling a contract 👉 Web3 as enabling inter-company collaboration 👉 The future of Ownco as an embedded capability rather than a single product 👉 Ownco’s customer journey starts by asking “What is the progressive decentralization path that they can embark on?”   Topics /chapters (00:00) Building Loyalty in Business Communities (01:00) Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert introduction (02:35) Ownco: Making Equity More Powerful and Leveling the Playing Field (05:31) The Ownership Economy and the “credits” model (15:55) Legal Bridges: Sharing Ownership Without Complexities (21:31) The Growing Demand for Shared Ownership: Ownco's Unique Approach (25:55) Building Boundaryless Organizations (34:58) Distributing power and ownership within an organization (39:18) Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert breadcrumbs   Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:    Recorded on April 28th 2023. Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Twitter: Website: LinkedIn: Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:   
Most software architects represent the environment in a very static way, and from that static representation, produce static software. As a result, the software structure they create is like a picture of a picture…used to describe what is actually a movie. This problem, rooted in a mechanistic worldview, is where Barry O'Reilly’s Residuality Theory was born. Residuality Theory - in very few words - is a method of designing software architectures inspired by how the most talented architects do it: i.e. starting from the stress conditions that the system could eventually face as it operates. Barry O'Reilly is a software architect with 25 years of experience in the IT industry. He has held leading roles at global software companies and has spent many years educating architects and he is currently pursuing a PhD in Complexity Science and Software Engineering at The Open University. Residuality theory looks at the world not as a bunch of static things or still pictures, but as a constantly moving set of processes which we can't really see and grasp. It requires designers to move away from a static view of the system: by letting the architecture design be inspired by its “stressors”, O'Reilly thinks that not only can we design more resilient systems but also more efficient ones. In this episode Barry also describes the philosophical background behind the theory and why Residuality can be a viable approach to designing organizations too.  Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:‎   Key highlights  👉Static representation of reality as a practice of software architecture is embedded in Western philosophy and worldview 👉Software engineers should start asking themselves: “What is the underlying philosophy behind what I do and the frameworks that I use?” 👉Residuality is a way to look at the world as a constantly shifting, moving set of processes that we can't really see and grasp  👉The residue is what remains from the system after it breaks down: it's the leftover of the system. And those leftovers will define the future of the software system 👉Criticality as an indication of the system’s ability to function across a wide range of attractors, which we may or may not even know about  👉It is known that software performing well in its environment is modular, but how to make structured decisions around such modularity remains unknown 👉The impossibility to separate organizational design from software architecture   Topics (chapters): (00:00) Barry’s quote (00:59) Introduction (02:12) What residuality theory is (12:59) Residuality: philosophical background. (18:24) Residuality: from software to organizations. (27:01) Residuality and micro services: is a match possible? (36:13) Is residuality fit for the society we’re living in, or is it a next generation’s thing (43:03) How to (easily) adopt a residuality approach (48:48) Barry’s breadcrumbs.   To find out more about Barry’s work: Twitter: LinkedIn: Website:    Other references and mentions: Nassim Nicholas Taleb Antifragile (book) NK model Transcendental idealism Post-structuralism The Biological Reality of Organizing - with Alicia Juarrero Bezos’ famous API mandate Characteristics of decision-making during coding Promise Theory. Principles and Applications Cynefin framework Building Scalable Organizations that can Deal with Uncertainty — with Dave Snowden     Barry’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): Residuality Theory by Barry O’Reilly Ralph D. Stacey   Complexity and Organizational Reality Uncertainty and the Need to Rethink Management after the Collapse of Investment Capitalism The Reflective Practitioner Recorded on 22 February 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at  Twitter: Website: LinkedIn:  Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:
Alberto Brandolini joins the podcast as a sparring partner in our exploration of one of the most “burning” issues in our research: the intrinsic links between language, software and organizational design. We explore the role of domain-driven design and, more generally, the role of visualization and context mapping in the process that we call "ontological convergence" i. e. how we agree on standards, converge on using common models and build common tools, protocols and infrastructures.  Alberto, EventStorming creator, Domain-Driven Design (DDD) legend and unconventional entrepreneur, is also famous for the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle aka Brandolini’s law. He proudly runs Avanscoperta, a hub for inventing, promoting, and spreading new ideas around software development.  Alberto is also a frequent speaker at conferences and events, and an international trainer with more than ten years of experience. During the chat we explore the ways software drives the adoption of common models and languages, and how the boundaries between technology and business, between one team and another, and even between organizations themselves, are blurring. Alberto observes that, the more you go distributed, the more having clean, well visualized, “bounded contexts” really becomes a key factor in effectiveness and success for organizations. Defining components and modules reduces the need to collectively agree about stuff: an heavily underestimated cost of organizing.  Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:    Key highlights  👉 How ubiquitous can language be 👉 The best way to speed up reaching agreement? Visualizing instead of talking. 👉 Most no-code and low-code approaches are designed around a paradigm that is antithetic to domain-driven design. 👉 Domain-driven design suggests to be aware of the cost of your architectural decisions and the evolutions of these forces over time 👉 When the quality of a component makes it an obvious choice, it’s a good way to create standards 👉 The hardest part for remote-first organizations is finding a way to make distributed decisions on critical issues Topics (chapters):   (00:00)  Alberto Brandolini quote (00:56)  Alberto Brandolini introduction (01:33)  What domain-driven design is (16:14)  The cost-benefit of agreeing   (24:05)  Domain-driven design approach in complex environment (28:19)  How no-code and low-code system relate to Domain-Driven Design   (38:28)  The role of Domain-Driven Design in driving standards into markets and ecosystems (48:22)  Talent useful for a company like Avanscoperta (51:24)  Alberto Brandolini's breadcrumbs   To find out more about Alberto’s work: Twitter: LinkedIn: Website:      Other references and mentions: Brandolini's law (bullshit asymmetry principle) EventStorming Developing the ubiquitous language The Conformist pattern     Alberto’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): Domain-Driven Design Distilled Implementing Domain-Driven Design (Red Book) Introducing EventStorming (The Book) David Sibbet Dave Gray Domain-Driven Design Crew · GitHub Avanscoperta blog:   Recorded on 09 January 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at  Twitter: Website: LinkedIn:     Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:  
In this episode, we are joined by Sir Geoff Mulgan to explore the potential of an emergent discipline of organizational architecture, where the diversity of organizational models and their features are studied and assessed in a more robust and systematic way - similar to in the field of buildings architecture. Sir Geoff Mulgan CBE is a Professor of Collective Intelligence, Public Policy and Social Innovation at University College London (UCL). Prior to his current position, he served as the Chief Executive of Nesta, the UK's innovation foundation, from 2011 to 2019. His primary focus is on improving government functionality and creating and implementing good ideas. Recently, he has been developing ideas related to shared intelligence, wisdom, science policy, social science, and systems, with a sideline in imagination. His work revolves around not only what to change, but also how to do it - from big-picture designs to the more practical aspects. His latest book is 'Another World is Possible - How to re-ignite radical political imagination', about new ways to imagine the future in politics and in social organization. Geoff believes that - given the complexity of organizations, which rely on a combination of monetary exchanges, coercion, love, and care to operate - reducing them to a single monolithic model is not sufficient. Instead, we need a diversity of models that are able to evolve with time and adapt to changing needs. Such an approach, Mulgan thinks, is even more significant as we need to tackle the profound 21st-century transitions related to energy, climate, health, and other areas. Most likely, we’ll need new types of institutions to face these transformational challenges - not limited by old corporate models and legal and regulatory frameworks.    Key highlights  👉 Reducing organizations to a matter “only” contracts is too simplistic 👉 Complex organizations use a mix of monetary exchanges, coercion, love and care to govern 👉 Organizational design should be a discipline more like physical architecture 👉 We need new institutions that can embrace outside-in strategies and be multi-center and modular 👉 “Mesh” models of organizing combine vertical and horizontal structures and flows both inside organizations and outside of them 👉 Old corporate models and legal and regulatory frameworks currently prevent open data flows and transparency 👉 A co-evolution of new organizational forms mixing collective and artificial intelligence is foreseeable in the next decade    Topics (chapters): (00:00)  Geoff Mulgan's quote (00:59)  Geoff Mulgan introduction (02:07)  The reason behind the paper "Organizational Architecture - Ideas for an Emergent Discipline". (07:03)  Elements of organizational architecture theory (12:12)  The enablers and the forces to reorganize society (24:13)  Government as a platform (38:07)  Geoff Mulgan's breadcrumbs Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:    To find out more about Geoff’s work: Twitter:   LinkedIn: Website:     Other references and mentions: Organizational architecture: Ideas for an emergent discipline (paper) Learndirect Another World is Possible - How to re-ignite radical political imagination (book) Warm Data Institute Data Meditations   Geoff’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): Museum of the Future   Recorded on 13 January 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at  Twitter: Website: LinkedIn:  Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:  
Scott Brinker takes us on a journey exploring Hubspot’s fascinating platform strategy, where competitive overlaps between Hubspot’s own hubs and products and third-party developers in the ecosystem are treated as a good thing, and where recognizing and serving the “joint customer need” is the real focus. Scott is VP Platform Ecosystem at HubSpot, helping to grow and nurture the company's community of technology partners. He writes the blog, covering marketing technology management, and is the author of the best-selling book “Hacking Marketing”. Previously, he was the co-founder and CTO of Ion Interactive. He holds degrees in computer science from Columbia University and Harvard University and an MBA from MIT. Serving multiple niche customer needs with modular platforms: is this possible? Hubspot’s success seems to confirm. With Scott we take a closer look at Hubspot's approach at figuring out what makes the collaboration between a platform and its ecosystem work. We see what makes a product portfolio and an organizational structure more keen to meet complex and evolving customer needs through collaboration, all while keeping everything connected as one boundaryless ecosystem.   Key highlights  👉 How the practice of marketing has evolved with technology in the last decades 👉 Even if so much software is now in the cloud, customization (vs pre-packaging) is still only in the beginning 👉 Serving joint customer needs across products 👉 Structuring modularity inside the organization 👉 Competitive overlaps in the ecosystem is a good thing 👉 Building legitimacy and trust in the ecosystem requires helping partners to evolve    Topics (chapters): (00:00)  Scott Brinker's quote (00:54)  Introducing Scott Brinker (02:33)  How marketing has changed and its intersection with technology (09:27)  Evolution around SaaS and the fact that We live in an ecosystem world (12:38)  Approaching product design and development with customer needs and extensibility points in mind (18:24)  Balancing coherence and diversity in the “tool chain” (35:08)  Internal and external strategy - stability and change (41:07)  Boundaries are never static between platforms and partners (44:47)  Commodities become part of the core platform (51:58)  Scott Brinker's breadcrumbs   Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:   To find out more about Scott’s work: -  Twitter: -  LinkedIn: - Website:   Other references and mentions: - HubSpot: - Wardley mapping:    Scott’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): - Hacking Marketing: Agile Practices to Make Marketing Smarter, Faster, and More Innovative: - Antifragile by Nassim Nicholas Taleb -   Recorded on 13 January 2023.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at -  Twitter: -  Website: -  LinkedIn:    Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
Jocelynn Pearl is a biotech scientist, podcaster, and company builder. She co-founded LabDAO, a web3 marketplace for life science research, and curates The DeSci Wiki, which tracks projects and DAOs in the web3 x science sector. She is also the host of the Lady Scientist Podcast and of the UltraRare The Podcast, a show featuring leaders in DeSci. DeSci or Decentralized Science (like the acronym DeFi for decentralized finance) expands some of the principles of blockchain technology and distributed ownership to science. The impact is potentially huge in many aspects: science communities' rules, funding and incentive structures, daily work habits, intellectual property rights, etc. Thanks to our conversation with Jocelynn, we discover the potential of DeSci by looking into the organizational aspects of decentralized communities and exploring which science branches may benefit most from its potential. Finally, Jocelynn also mentions how companies are evolving the DeSci vertical, probably providing one of the best use cases of Web3 so far.    Key highlights  👉 DeSci - one of the best use cases for Web3 so far 👉 Democratization and new paths to independent funding 👉 Fixing broken incentive structures in research 👉 Examining potential drawbacks and limits of less institutionalized science 👉 Impacts of DeSci over science institutions 👉 The emergence of broader collaborations and types of scientists   Topics (chapters): (00:00)  Jocelynn Pearl’s opening quote (00:42)  Introducing Jocelyn Pearl and this episode topic (02:35)  What decentralized science is   (07:01)  Which major institutions will be transformed by DeSci? (10:51)  The DeSci impact in the short term (17:34)  Funding and structions of science: how they currently work. (23:00)  Everything is “tokenizible”? (25:39)  Will there be freelance scientists? (31:17)  What about tools? (35:02)  Collaboration and ontological convergence (39:34)  Beyond healthcare (40:44)  Jocelynn Pearl’s next projects (41:38)  Jocelynn Pearl’s breadcrumbs   Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:    To find out more about Jocelynn’s work: -  Twitter: -  LinkedIn: - Website: - UltraRare The Podcast - Lady Scientist Podcast   Other references and mentions: - LabDAO (on Discord): - DeSci Wiki: - Reinventing Organizations: - talentDAO: - Smart Contract Research Forum: - Gassing the Miracle Machine, Not Boring: - Crowd Funded Cures: - Flagship Pioneering: - NFX Bio: - Unbundling Work from Employment - Li Jin: - Scispot: - Benchling: ​​  - Science Exchange:   Jocelynn’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): -  Reinventing Discovery - Michael A. Nielsen: - Working in Public - Nadia Eghbal:   Recorded on 18 October 2022.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at -  Twitter: -  Website: -  LinkedIn:   Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
In this episode we talked to Tom Davenport and Laks Srinivasan from Return on AI Institute (ROAI) about how AI is empowering and challenging organizational models worldwide, and how the platform business model is often based on AI capabilities in the background.  Tom is a world-renowned thought leader and author on AI. He is the President’s Distinguished Professor of Information Technology and Management at Babson College, as well as a fellow at the MIT Initiative on the Digital Economy, a visiting professor at Oxford's Saïd Business School, and is the Chairman of ROAI. Laks is a data and analytics executive with more than 15 years of experience in management, entrepreneurship, and innovation roles to help clients create measurable value from AI. He is a co-founder and Managing Director at ROAI and former CEO of Opera Solutions (ElectrifAI now), an applied AI solutions company with 500+ employees globally as well as the winner of the Netflix Prize and several Kaggle AI competitions. Tom and Laks explore with us how different forms of artificial intelligence might transform product teams at companies around the globe. In the second part of this episode, Tom and Laks offer concrete examples of companies that have created new business models powered by AI, as well as suggestions on what traditional organizations should look at when preparing to adopt artificial intelligence. At Boundaryless we're partnering with ROAI to explore the convergence between AI and Platforms, check out our research and services here: Key highlights 👉AI is becoming pervasive in large organizations, but many are still struggling to get meaningful value out of it. 👉 Companies that “do AI” vs (digital native) “AI companies” 👉 Platform business models (as a form of ecosystem) are based on AI 👉 How AI could transform product teams 👉The challenge with AI is multi-dimensional: involves organization, leadership, culture, data and technology. 👉AI replaces tasks rather than entire jobs. 👉 Strategy-by-doing applies to AI: think big, start small, fail fast, and invest where things are working. 👉Increased awareness among executives is needed to develop their intuition around AI. Topics (chapters): (00:00) Intro notes and welcoming of Thomas H. Davenport and Laks Srinivasan (03:16) How AI is empowering organizations or challenging organizational models. (08:11) AI as a matter of doctrine in organizations: yes or no? (11:56) Platform business model (as a form of ecosystem) based on AI (17:13) How AI could transform product teams (24:50) Example of companies which have created new business models powered by AI (33:40) What should traditional organizations look at when preparing to adopt AI? (42:02) To integrate more AI into the process? Think big but start small. (49:58) Thomas and Laks’ breadcrumbs   Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:    To find out more about Tom Davenport’s work: -  Twitter: -  LinkedIn: -  Website: To find out more about Laks Srinivasan’s work: -  Twitter: -  LinkedIn: -  Website: Other references and mentions: -  Working with AI -  All-in On AI: How Smart Companies Win Big with Artificial Intelligence - Ping An Group - CCC Intelligent Solutions - USAA - Amara's Law's_law - The Return on AI Playbook Podcast Tom and Laks’ suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): -  Being a fire volunteering for fire control or, in general, being a volunteer for something -  How Generative AI Is Changing Creative Work   Recorded on 28 October 2022. Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at -  Twitter: -  Website: -  LinkedIn:  Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
Michael Zargham, founder and CEO of BlockScience and Board Member of the Metagov Project, shares his views on how Blockchain and other emerging technologies are making new ways of organizing possible. Yet, Michael believes that, so far, we are not  fully using the potential of these affordances to create something new.  Smart contracts are becoming widespread, but does the relationship between crypto and organizing stop there? What’s next? Which new “non-familiar” possibilities of design will we see unlocked in the next few years? Michael describes how systems designers will need to be humble and leave space for systems to evolve through enabling constraints. He also believes that the gap between the complexity of organizational design and transparency of decision-making is closing through “healthy DAOs”, blurring the line between those making the rules and those acting upon the rules.      Michael holds a Ph.D. in systems engineering from the University of Pennsylvania where he studied optimization and control of decentralized networks. Thanks to his experience, Michael Zargham has a non-common point of view on designing beyond the machine. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:   Key highlights:    👉 How new affordances for organizing are created by Blockchain and other emerging technologies; 👉 The gap between the complexity of organizational design and how it is documented; 👉The “Animating purpose” is core to what the organization does and why;   👉How to design mechanisms without being mechanistic; 👉How designers need to leave empty space and provide enabling constraints; 👉Systems engineers as civil engineerings: the civil servant ethics approach; 👉Finances as constraints rather than goals in emerging mutualist institutions   Topics (chapters):   (00:00)  Michael Zargham’s quote (00:59)  Intro and Michael Zargham’s bio (02:33)  New technologies, new affordances. (06:04)  Beyond Smart contracts: how deep is the relationship between crypto and organization? (09:03)  The new “non-familiar” possibilities of designing next generation voting public (14:41)  How an organization can “use” the Conviction voting (19:55)  The gap between organizational design and the documentation of the organizational design (24:23)  “Animating purpose” is core to the organization and what it does (29:49)  A new era of “Design as a participatory system”? (33:26)  The role of the designer: risks and opportunities. (40:59)  The civil servant ethics approach for designers (46:18)  Michael Zargham’s breadcrumbs   To find out more about Michael Zargham’s work: > Twitter:   > LinkedIn: > Block Science: > cadCAD: > Metagov:   Other references and mentions: > Gardens > Delphia > “Design as Participation” by Kevin Slavin > Boundaryless interview with Jeff Emmett: Https://   Michael’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): > “Mint and Burn” Podcast by Kelsie Nabben > “Mutualism” by Sara Horowitz > “Engineering a Safer World” by Nancy G. Leveson   Recorded on 12 October 2022. Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at  > Twitter: > Website: > LinkedIn:   Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
The guest of this episode is Joe Justice. Joe is a legend of Agile and helped implement Agile across the world in more than 20 countries. He has led Agile practices at incredible companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Tesla, Toyota, NEC, and KDDI. In the early 2010s, his passion for mechanical engineering led him to found Wikispeed, a not so usual open source car manufacturing company that pioneered the implementation of Agile practices in manufacturing, became a global sensation, and exhibited at international auto shows.  With Joe we talked about how he brought Wikispeed and its ideas to Europe over 10 years ago, touring around places and meeting people from the Ouishare network - of which both Stina and Simone have been part - during the heydays of the collaborative economy. We also widely discussed Joe’s engagement with Agile at Tesla and most of the key elements of vision and work culture at Musk’s companies. We also discussed the role of governments and how their contribution and sets of policies can be conducive to more innovation, and how they should see themselves more as test centers for innovation pathways.  This episode provides a great insider look into what it means to work in a company led by Elon Musk, double-clicking on key concepts such as modularity and cash flow, and why they are so essential to rapid innovation.   Key highlights: 👉 The Open Source approach to business 👉 Maximize cash flow as part of innovation 👉 The importance of data-driven performance in Musk companies 👉 The benefit of 12-hour shifts 👉 The importance of modularity to shorten innovation cycles    Topics (chapters):  00:00  Joe Justice’s opening quote 01:13  Intro and Joe Justice’s bio 02:57  When and how WikiSpeed arrived in Europe 08:33  What we can learn from the collaboration between Wikispeed and Tesla 14:18  Agile culture vs Policies and the role of government 49:15  Modularity as an approach 59:53  Joe’s breadcrumbs 01:03:59 Conclusion Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:     To find out more about Joe’s work: > Twitter: > Facebook:   > Linkedin:   > Books:   > Classes:   > Agile World 2022 Keynote: "Tesla´s Secret Process for Rapid Innovation" Joe Justice:   Other references and mentions: > Ouishare:   > TEDxRainier - Joe Justice - WikiSpeed: > Tesla Anti-Handbook Handbook:   > DevOps:   > Paolo Sammicheli’s books > Joe Justice’s YouTube Channel:    Joe’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): > Zapp! The Lightning of Empowerment > Commitment - a graphic novel about managing project risk   > Great Courses Big History    > Learn anything to an extremely high level of skill: whether it’s pasta dishes or martial arts - choose anything and just go deep.    Recorded on 1 Dec 2022.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at    > Twitter:   > Website:   > LinkedIn:     Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
According to our guest Raphael Ouzan, next year's big thing is: “cloud-based teams”. Companies are having an increasingly hard time hiring the right people to work on their most pressing problems and opportunities for development. To overcome this, Raphael has founded A.Team, the world’s first cloud-team formation platform, that enables companies to form, manage, and scale external, remote teams, instantly. Its TeamGraph connects highly-skilled thousands of the top product builders in an invite-only network —empowering them to escape rigid structures to team up with companies building market-leading products. Raphael is a technologist, entrepreneur, and investor on a mission to unlock human potential with technology. Among other things Raphael co-founded BillGuard—the antivirus for bills (acquired by Prosper),  co-founded BlockNation with Apollo Mgmt CEO Marc Rowan to invest in web3, and founded ITC, a not-for-profit for global tech upskilling. A decorated officer of IDF’s tech unit, he was named 30 under 30 by Forbes, and Global Shaper by the World Economic Forum. In this episode, we dive into what “cloud-based teams” mean and analyze what perspectives such teams open up for organizations. We also reflect on the role of companies themselves: according to Raphael, we should never refer to “external teams”; instead, as entrepreneurs, we need to think more boundaryless (as we always say). Remember that you can always find transcripts and podcast notes from the episode on our website:   Key highlights 👉 Setting up high-performing teams driven by passion and freedom 👉 When focussing on outcomes, external versus internal becomes irrelevant 👉 The disruption of traditional employment 👉 The Ocean’s Eleven analogy   Topics (chapters):  00:00  Introduction: who is Raphael Ouzan 02:28 Definition of a cloud-based team 07:38 A.Team: how it works and its Business model 15:13 Insights about cloud-based teams 20:11 How A.Team guarantees that a team will work as "a real team" 24:43 On teams’ accountability 30:02 Increasing the "skin in the game" of teams 33:50 Organizational model and networks 39:55 The value of a curated network 42:36 Engaging the community 47:23 A.Team: what's next? 48:22 Raphael Ouzan's breadcrumbs   To find out more about Raphael Ouzan's work:  👉  Twitter:   👉  LinkedIn: 👉  Website:    Other references and mentions: 👉  A.Team website: 👉  AWS Mental Model 👉  Conway's law 👉  Utopia for “builders” 👉  Ocean’s Eleven      Raphael Ouzan’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): 👉  Adam Grant, Think Again   Recorded on 8 November 2022. Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at     👉  Twitter:    👉  Website:    👉  LinkedIn:      Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:  
Alicia Juarrero is founder and president of VectorAnalytica with a doctorate in philosophy from the University of Miami, where she is also currently a research associate. She is the author of the book Dynamics in Action (2008), and the upcoming Context Changes Everything (2023), both at MIT Press. We've all heard about how organizations are like natural organisms, but is that really true? And if it is, how can we get inspired from nature in designing and understanding them?  In this episode, we talk to Alicia about her work in complexity theory and how it applies to organizations. Alicia takes from Aristotle the image of the organization as a natural organism and unpacks the biological reality of organizing.  Parts of a natural organism - for example a cell - are different from just parts of a material mass: a complex organization is a system where members and teams define themselves by their role and through interaction with other parts of the system. This has specific consequences on the hierarchy and management of teams embedded in various contextual layers. In these complex organizations, boundaries and enabling constraints have a role to steer the direction, and managers should act as catalysts, not applying coercive forces. Remember that you can always find the full episode and transcript on our website:   Key highlights  👉 The cellular-based ecosystemic organization is not governed by hierarchy and external forces  👉 “Life and death” of the components of an organization makes it dynamic and adaptable 👉 Boundaries in biological reality are permeable interfaces and not mechanistic edges    Topics (chapters):  00:03:04 Organization as “organism” 00:09:45 Hierarchy in social organizations 00:12:25 3 levels we have to consider when we think of a social organization 00:20:29 How to set goals in a complex organization? 00:36:35 The role of the enabling constraints 00:44:38 Alicia’s Breadcrumbs   To find out more about Alicia Juarrero’s work: 👉 LinkedIn:  👉 Website:    Other references and mentions: 👉 Dynamics in Action (2002) - Alicia Juarrero  👉 The Self-Organization of Intentional Action -   👉 Constraints that Enable Innovation - Alicia Juarrero -    Alicia’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): 👉 "Boundaries, hierarchies and networks in complex systems" - Paul Cilliers -  👉 The Theory of Graceful Extensibility: Basic rules that govern adaptive systems - David D Woods   Recorded on 7 October 2022.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at    👉 Twitter:   👉 Website:   👉 LinkedIn:     Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:
Casey Winters is a growth advisor and operator that helps companies scale. Casey is a legend of product growth and marketplaces, and, among many other things, he’s an advisor and operator that helps companies deal with the problem of scale. Most recently, Casey was the Chief Product Officer at Eventbrite: before that he had tremendous experience working for and advising companies such as Grubhub, Pinterest, Airbnb, Canva, Thumbtack, Reddit, Hipcamp, Faire and many others. Casey also is a partner at Reforge, one of the leading growth programs you can attend. Besides some real world experiences from his career, in this episode, Casey shares insights about how it is possible for a company to leverage on its organizational model as a lever for growth.  Casey also explains how the growth model is a peculiar aspect of each company and how to reduce friction is key so that it can flow more strongly. We also discuss how the responsibilities to drive network effects often moves from local teams to more centralized functions over time, and finally how leaders should be thinking about autonomy when managing growth and product teams. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: Key highlights of the conversation: The Organizational structure can change according to strategy especially at the early stage of a business Growth model: what is and what structures you need around that. OKRs and creative spaces: what is the balance a leader should put in a team? How can marketing and growth teams work together? Brand vs performance: how a startup should think. To find out more about Casey’s work: 👉 Twitter:  👉 Website:  👉 LinkedIn:    Other references and mentions: 👉 The Types of Product Team Organizational Structures | Casey Accidental   👉 Conway's law  👉 The Autonomy Spectrum  👉 Dynamic creative optimization  👉 Reforge teaching:    Casey’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): 👉 Severant - Kuedo 👉 Infinitive Window - Kuedo    Recorded on 17 October 2022.   Get in touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at 👉 Twitter:  👉 Website:  👉 LinkedIn:    Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: 
Bonnitta Roy is a pioneer in education. She’s the founder of Alderlore Insight Center, the POP-UP School, and C-LABS. She teaches insight practices for individuals who are developing meta-cognitive skills, (ed: thinking about thinking) and hosts collective insight retreats for groups interested in breaking away from typical limiting patterns of thought. In addition, she also teaches a masters course in consciousness studies and trans-personal psychology at the Graduate Institute. As an educator, Bonnitta Roy is focused on what she defines as Post Formal Actors: people who have strong intuition towards post formal thinking  without necessarily being sophisticated thinkers (yet) and who see formal rules as optional. According to Bonnitta this phenomenon occurs in different settings, for example  students who start to see their teachers don’t have educational authority.  Without proper pedagogical support or guidance to become more sophisticated thinkers, however, post formal actors can be seen only as "deviants" rather than a resource. On the other hand, because of their skills, post formal actors can give a new perspective and a new way to see and do things, embracing the challenges we  face. They can, as Bonnitta says "hedge against social collapse".    Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website:   Key highlights from the conversation: Post formal actors (PFA): how this definition was born; The mismatch between skills we learn today in school and what we really need in life; PFA as  a positive force for the world and for organisations Tokenization of value and what it means for organizing  The importance of the stability in a  system Ontological design and modernity as "defuturing"   To find out more about Bonnitta Roy’s work: 👉 Twitter:  👉 Website:  👉 LinkedIn:    👉 Alderlore Insight Center  👉 POP-UP School  👉 C-LABS  👉 The Graduate Institute    Other references and mentions:  👉The episode of Daily of the Month Podcast where Bonnitta and Simone first explored a convergence around Post-Formal actors 👉Post formal Thought  👉 Robert Kegan works 👉 Developmental stage theories  👉 Bayo Akomolafe: 👉 Nora Bateson episode   👉 The Manifesto of Ontological Design    Bonitta’s suggested breadcrumbs (things listeners should check out): 👉 Doomer optimism podcast 👉 One Hundred Thousand Beating Hearts  👉 The Salt of the earth (trailer)    Recorded on 19 September 2022.   Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at    Get in touch with Boundaryless: 👉 Twitter:    👉 Website:   👉 LinkedIn:     Music  Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:
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