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Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, an ongoing exploration on the future of Platforms & Ecosystems: in these conversations we make sense of what’s next.Here we explore new perspectives about how we organise at scale in a rapidly changing world.
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In this episode we have the pleasure of introducing a very interesting academic voice, Alicia Hennig, Associate Professor of Business Ethics.  Her research focuses on Chinese philosophy and its application in organisations in the context of values, ethics and innovation. Working with Chinese as well as foreign companies in China, she continues to promote a better understanding of Chinese culture and thinking. This conversation with Alicia was very crucial to explore the embracing of  “embeddedness” (or entanglement). It’s about the critical need for organizations to see themselves as connected to the world they exist within. It turns out that Chinese philosophies, especially Daoism, are very much based on this concept of embeddedness. Daoism can provide Chinese management thinking with mindsets that seem to be rare in most of Western cultural traditions, and that may be more apt for a time of systemic shift.We also talk about the paradox between globalisation, technological progress and contextual, indigenous approaches to management - in relation with embeddedness. Will China’s next generation of managers resist the universalising power of technology, considering how the country has leap-frogged in recent decades? By not striving for coherence like most Western philosophies, perhaps Chinese thinking really is more resilient to such forces and can more easily provide a platform for evolution in management, as stories like that of Haier seem to demonstrate. Alicia also talks passionately about the role of education everywhere in the world to showcase the richness of philosophies, wishing that more universities and business schools would diversify their curriculum to include Chinese, but also Indian, African and other philosophical traditions. It’s indeed a shared passion that we want to continue to explore with her in the coming months. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our  Medium publication:  To find out more about Alicia’s work:> Website:> LinkedIn: Other references and mentions:> Alicia Henning, Daoism in Management, 2017:> Laozi, Tao Te Ching: (here in Ursula K. Le Guin’s edition)> Zhuangzi, Zhuangzi:   > Explore novels by Yu Hua, Mo Yan, Yan Lianke, Liao Yiwu and Zhang Lijia. > Jia Zhangke’s “Ash is Purest White”:  > Wang Xiaoshuai’s “So Long, My Son”: > Zhang Yimou’s  “Hero”:  > Michael Schuman, Superpower Interrupted, 2020:   Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: Recorded on 18 September 2020.
In this episode, we’re excited to have a legend from the platform thinking space Sangeet Paul Choudary, where we explore his fascinating journey from the micro level to macro when analysing the platform economy.  As Founder of Platformation Labs, and author of two bestselling books Platform Revolution and Platform Scale, Sangeet is best known for his work on platform economics and network effects. He frequently advises the leadership of Fortune 500 firms and has been selected as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum. Sangeet's work on platforms has been selected by Harvard Business Review as one of the top 10 ideas in strategy and has been featured thrice in the HBR Top 10 Must Reads compilations. Sangeet is a frequent keynote speaker at leading global forums including the G20 Summit, the World50 Summit, the United Nations, and the World Economic Forum. Sangeet helps us understand in depth how control and commoditization of supply play out in the current evolution of platforms and how regulators ought to look at it. He also paints an extremely interesting picture of the unbundling of work and what it may mean for the future of work coordination infrastructures, as work gets re-bundled in a post-firm context. Are we going to see teams join up to solve challenges related to the job-to-be-done, rather than taking on larger roles? Will the job-welfare bundle disappear? These are some interesting questions we dig into with Sangeet. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our  Medium publication: To find out more about Sangeet’s work:> Blog: > Substack newsletter: > For a limited period, Sangeet is further offering a 45% discount to the Boundaryless community on his Startup and Enterprise courses, found at: Please use the code BOUNDARYLESS to avail the 45% discount. In case of any questions, please write to  Other references and mentions:> Sangeet Choudary, Platform Scale: How an emerging business model helps startups build large empires with minimum investment, 2015: > Geoffrey G. Parker, Marshall W. Van Alstyne, Sangeet Paul Choudary, Platform Revolution: How Networked Markets Are Transforming the Economy and How to Make Them Work for You, 2016: > Li Yin, “Unbundling Work from Employment”: > The Entrepreneurial Age: Networks and a fragmenting world — with Nicolas Colin: > Marketplaces: Unveiling the math behind society and what to do about it — with James Currier: > Ping An Healthcare and Technology Company Limited  > Participatory City:> Belt and Road Initiative: > Electronic World Trade Platform: > Sidewalk Labs: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at:  Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:  Recorded on 18 September 2020
In this episode, we have our two dear guests Lisa Gansky — the eternal entrepreneur, great thinker and our long term advisor — and Bill Fischer, professor at IMD in Lausanne with whom we’ve developed the very first Rendanheyi Masterclass based on Haier’s revolutionary organisational model and a partner in our long term research on the Entrepreneurial Ecosystem Enabling Organization.In our conversation, we wanted to pick their brains on the key theses emerging from the research for our upcoming 2020 Whitepaper, such as acknowledging marketplace pervasiveness, seeing a systemic shift happening towards health and redrawing the human development thesis to reverse the trend that machine development has long outpaced human development.Following an initial framing, Bill and Lisa take turns in providing amazing reflections on where the world seems to be headed, from an organisational, systems and cultural perspective and related to business ecosystems and innovation.Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication.  Here are some important links from the conversation:See the previous Podcast episodes with Lisa and Bill> Checkpoint episode with Lisa Gansky: Ecosystems - between the “no more” and the “not yet”,> Leadership as Architecting: Transforming Organisations into Thriving Ecosystems — with Bill Fischer. Other references and mentions:> Warren Bennis, 1998. The Temporary Society: What is Happening to Business and Family Life in America Under the Impact of Accelerating Change.  > Structural Shifts podcast by Aperture Hub, with Rita Gunther McGrath, Seeing Around Corners (#19):> Tessy Britton, “Universal Basic Everything” - .creating essential infrastructure for post Covid 19 neighbourhoods.> Simone Cicero,  “An Entrepreneurial, Ecosystem Enabling Organization - What’s emerging from understanding Haier Group”. out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: Recorded on July 1st 2020
In this episode, we have a conversation with John Bunch, Lead Organizational Designer and Adviser to the CEO Tony Hsieh at Zappos. John joined in 2009 as a Software Developer and moved on to lead the Public API team. John was the Implementation Lead during Zappos’ shift to Holacracy and self-organization. Coming out of the rollout of Holacracy, John transitioned to leading internal infrastructure and systems design.In the conversation, we talk about how Zappos - through the application of Holacracy and marked-based dynamics - is becoming a thriving entrepreneurial organization. We use the city as a metaphor for the high diversity, high productivity organisation that Zappos strives to be, based on shared enabling services and micro-enterprising. We also explore the concept of the “triangle of accountability” that guides the organizational development and the specific hiring process that helps make sure that people who join the company are aligned with the values and ways of working applied in Zappos.Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. are some important links from the conversation:Find out more about John’s work> LinkedIn:> Zappos:> Zappos Expertise: references and mentions:> Tony Hsieh, Delivering Happiness: A Path to Profits, Passion, and Purpose.> Zappos Adaptive:> Nassim Taleb, Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder, out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: on June 11th 2020
Today we’re speaking to Jeremiah Owyang, founding partner of the San Francisco based research firm Kaleido Insights, where he focuses on how disruptive technologies—such as social media, collaborative economy, autonomous world, blockchain and more— impact the relevance of corporations. Jeremiah is well recognized by both the tech industry and the media for his grounded approach to deriving insights through rigorous research.and is frequently quoted in top-tier publications, has given a TED talk and was featured in the “Who’s Who” in the Silicon Valley Business Journal. His Twitter feed was named one of the top feeds by Time. He is also the Founder of Crowd Companies, an innovation club for Fortune 500 companies.In our conversation with Jeremiah, we explore some of the pre-existing conditions in the world - always through a tech lens - that have been amplified by the pandemic and other recent disruptive events, leading to some sort of awakening in Silicon Valley about the moral duties of tech companies and more in general what companies are actually supposed to produce for the world. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. Here are some important links from the conversationFind out more about Jeremiah’s work:> Jeremiah’s Twitter:> Kaleido Insights, “Applying Covid-19 Urgencies to Kaleido Insights’ Five Research Themes”: references and mentions:> The Verge, “Amazon bans police from using its facial recognition technology for the next year”: > Ben Evans, presentation at the WEF 2020 and an update June 2020:> Participatory City,> Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture:> Reporting 3.0:> Wisdo:> Clubhouse:, Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: on June 19th 2020
In this episode we have two leading platform thinkers on the show: Marshall Van Alstyne, Questrom Chair Professor at Boston University and Geoffrey Parker, professor of engineering at the Thayer School of Dartmouth College. They are both visiting scholars at the MIT Initiative for the Digital Economy and co-chair the annual MIT Platform Summit (see references below)Marshall Van Alstyne and Geoffrey Parker - together with Sangeet Choudary - are the authors of Platform Revolution: How Networked Markets Are Transforming the Economy - and How to Make Them Work for You, from 2016. As originators of the concept of the inverted firm, they were further joint winners of the Thinkers50 2019 Digital Thinking Award. In this conversation, we talk about what democratising access to data means for the ability of players in a platform-ecosystem context to innovate and how regulation should be conceived participatory and ex ante. With creating human value as the North star, Marshall and Geoffrey ponder that we might want to see the creation of a Magna Carta of citizens rights for how we should be able to operate and influence on powerful platforms.Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our own Medium publication.  Here are some important links from the conversation: Find out more about Marshall and Geoffrey’s work> Geoffrey G. Parker, Marshall W. Van Alstyne, Sangeet Paul Choudary, Platform Revolution: How Networked Markets Are Transforming the Economy and How to Make Them Work for You, 2016.> MIT Platform Strategy Summit, 2020 edition taking place virtually on 8 July:> Platform Revolution - Offers an operator's manual for building platforms (easy read)> Digital Platforms & Antitrust - Categorizes the harms from platforms, critiques existing solutions, and offers one path forward (easy read).> Pipelines, Platforms & New The Rules of Strategy - Tells how strategy differs from products to platforms (Harvard Business Review "Must Read" - easy read).> Platform Ecosystems: How Developers Invert the Firm - Provides a proof that platforms become "inverted firms," moving production from inside to outside, once network effects become large enough (MISQ Best Paper - hard read). > The Social Efficiency of Fairness - Provides proof that treating people fairly increases rates of innovation (mimeo - hard read) Other mentions and references>  Simon Wardley on the Innovate-Leverage-Componentize (ILC) cycle. Part I:; Part II:> Simone Cicero, “Long Tails, Aggregators & Infrastructures”:> Avivah Wittenberg-Cox, “5 Economists Redefining… Everything. Oh Yes, And They’re Women”. Mariana Mazzucato on the role of government investment in early innovations: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: Recorded on June 10th 2020
In this episode, we’re speaking to Nicolas Colin, co-founder & director of The Family, a pan-European investment firm founded in 2013 and headquartered in London. Nicolas publishes an extremely valuable newsletter European Straits about entrepreneurship, finance, strategy and policy, with a European perspective. He’s also the author of three books, one of which is Hedge: A Greater Safety Net for the Entrepreneurial Age and member of the board of directors at Radio France, and a former commissioner at CNIL (the French personal data protection authority). Nicolas also contributes to several other outlets, such as co-host at Nouveau Départ with his wife Laetitia Vitaud (in French), and as a columnist at Sifted.  In this conversation, we try to unpack why Nicolas thinks the current crisis is going to accelerate the transition to what he has recently called a more “mature entrepreneurial economy” and what he means with the Entrepreneurial Age is, a concept he uses to describe the networked computing-powered world where individuals - or users - are more important than having fixed assets on a balance sheet.  We also talk about the balance between building organizations based on attracting outsiders and the need to be resilient to sudden drops in users, which some tech companies seem to get wrong. Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our  Medium publication.  To find out more about Nicolas Colin’s work:> Twitter:> Newsletter:> Nicolas Colin (2018). Hedge: A Greater Safety Net for the Entrepreneurial Age: Other references and mentions:> Structural Shifts podcast by Aperture, “Previewing the post-pandemic World”, with Nicolas Colin, Laetitia Vitaud and Ian Charles Stewart:> Babak Nivi coined the term “Entrepreneurial Age” (2013):> Carlota Perez’ work on technological revolutions:> Balaji Srinivasan On The Argument For Decentralization - Part 1, Pomp Podcast #295: > Fernand Braudel, on Civilisation and Capitalism, 15th-18th Century, in 3 volumes:> Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at> Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: on May 29th 2020
In this episode, we’re having a boundaryless conversation with Joe Norman, a complex systems scientist researching systemic risk and precaution in large-scale systems. Joe explores strategies for uncertainty, complex systems engineering, pattern formation in biological and social systems. Joe’s work brings amazing insights to creating new organizational development models that could be better equipped to deal with the asymmetric risk factors that we foresee these days, in light of rising complexity of the human society and of the destabilization of its support systems. We talk about decentralization and localism as a way to deflate such risks while changing the landscape of organising and influencing its salience. Joe underlines the importance of tackling challenges at the appropriate scale, applying a multi-scale variety lens. Our conversation further points in the direction of systemic health-embeddedness and the principle of subsidiarity and the precautionary principle as providing adequate constraints, rather than directions, for systems to evolve.Remember that you can find the show notes and transcripts from all our episodes on our Medium publication. To find out more about Joe’s work:> Joe’s Twitter:> Email:> Website: mentions and references:> Balaji Srinivasan On The Argument For Decentralization - Part 1, Pomp Podcast #295: > Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture:> Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at> Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:  Recorded on May 25th 2020 
In this episode, Simone Cicero is again joined by a special co-host and former guest on the podcast — Bill Fischer — Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne.They talk to Martin Reeves, Managing Director in the San Francisco office of BCG and Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, BCG’s think tank on business strategy and co-author of the book “Your Strategy Needs a Strategy”. Martin is also currently leading research on the post-COVID era, winning the ’20s, competing on imagination, corporate vitality, purpose of purpose, strategy and artificial intelligence, competing on the rate of learning, diversity and performance, innovation strategy, organizational vitality and the humanity of corporations.The conversation takes a deep dive into what it means for a business to become “ecosystemic” and compete in the 2020s, and about the bankruptcy of the current ways of doing “strategy” in a world in deep and continuous transformation. Martin also speaks widely about the renewed importance of imagination in organizations and about the need to compete on the rate of learning, combining human ingenuity with the power of machines and much more. Read our story on Medium to access our key insights and the interview transcript for the episode. Here are some important links from the conversation: To find out more about Martin’s work > > Your Strategy Needs a Strategy by Martin Reeves, Knut Haanæs, and Janmejaya Sinha: References and mentions > Martin Reeves, Fortune 50, October 2019. “How the Fortune Future 50 identifies companies with long-term growth potential”: > Martin Reeves, Ming Zeng and Amin Venjara, HBR, June 2015. “The Self-tuning enterprise”: > Adam M. Brandenburger, Barry J. Nalebuff, Co-Opetition:  Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: Recorded on May 18th 2020
In this episode, Simone Cicero is joined by a special co-host and former guest on the podcast - Bill Fischer - Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne.  Together they pick the brain of nobody less than Alex Osterwalder, whose work continues to influence the way established companies do business innovation and how new ventures get started. The inventor of the Business Model Canvas, Value Proposition Canvas, and Business Portfolio Map together with Yves Pigneur, Alex just released a new book called The Invincible Company, whose ideas are mentioned throughout the conversation. Alex talks about why, in the furiously changing world of today, innovation portfolio management is a must, as well as transforming innovation into a pervasive process inside the organization: we also debate a lot on the several ways to do it.We also talk about the responsibility of companies to become great workplaces - being able to keep and reallocate talent across business units - and serve society beyond shareholder interests. Enjoy this jam full episode! Read our story on Medium to access our key insights and the interview transcript. Here are some important links from the conversation:> About Alex Osterwalder and his work:> Alexander Osterwalder  (Author), Yves Pigneur, Alan Smith, Frederic Etiemble, The Invincible Company:> Strategyzer: Other mentions and references:> Ritha McGrath, “Transient Advantage”, HBR, 06/2013:> Scott Anthony, “Breaking down the barriers to innovation”, HBR, 11/2019:> Ritha McGrath, Seeing around Corners, interview with Aperture:> All Things Marketplaces with Dan Hockenmaier, Casey Winters, and Lenny Rachitsky,> Village Global's Venture Stories: Companies mentioned: Amazon, Ping An, W.L. Gore, Logitech, Kodak, Haier Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: on May 11th 2020 
In this episode, we talk to Joost Minnaar, co-founder of the blog in 2015. Joost travels the world researching progressive organisations, blogs about the discoveries he makes and advises on workplace issues. Joost is the co-author of the book 'Corporate Rebels, Make Work More Fun' (2020), winner of the Thinkers50 Radar Award (2019) and a Doctoral Candidate at the Amsterdam Business Research Institute (VU University, Amsterdam). We also have the pleasure to collaborate with Joost and his colleagues in our work on the Haier Group model (check-up our upcoming webinar: In our conversation with Joost, we get quite practical about the three “fundamental problems” of organising at scale, as he frames it, and how organisations tackle them. We loved how this episode helped us nail down some key thoughts into discernable patterns, drawing on Joost's rich library of experiences from researching so many great organisations. Read our Medium publication to access our key insights and the interview transcript.Here are some important links from the conversation:Work by Joost and Corporate Rebels:> Corporate Rebels Blog:> Joost Minnaar on Twitter:>Joost Minnaar, Corporate Rebels, “Solving Organizational Complexity With Simplicity”:> Joost Minnaar, Corporate Rebels. “How To Organize A Large Company Without Middle Management”: > Pim de Morree, Corporate Rebels, “A Radical And Proven Approach To Self-Management” (Ner Group), mentions and references> Geoffrey West, Scale: The Universal Laws of Growth, Innovation, Sustainability, and the Pace of Life in Organisms, Cities, Economies, and Companies:> Geoffrey West profile> Principle of least action, > Deborah Frieze, From Scaling Up to Scaling Across: out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: on May 4th 2020
In this boundaryless conversation we speak with Indy Johar, architect and co-founder of Project 00 and most recently Dark Matter Labs (see his full bio here: is really a great thinker when it comes to going beyond “corner shop” size social transformation initiatives to explore the next generation of institutions -  living at the edge between public, open and private. We explore what he thinks will happen to organising, institution-building and human potential, as we move beyond an information age towards an era where building capabilities for antifragile institutions is key.Find out more about Indy and his work:>About Indy Johar, > Dark Matter Labs and its distributed team:> Dark Matter Labs collaboration with EIT Climate-KIC on Longtermism: Reorienting mindsets towards long-term thinking and acting: > Medium series of Longtermism,> “Letters from Amsterdam” on how they’re organised:> Indy Johar, Good work is the answer…: > Trees as Infrastructure, Mentions and References:> John Vervaeke, Ep. 1 - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - Introduction> Danny Dorling, Slowdown (2020): The End of the Great Acceleration—and Why It's Good for the Planet, the Economy, and Our Lives: by liosound.Recorded on April 29th
In our conversation with Daniel, we talk about the interplays between technology and landscape, between the virtual and the analogue world, and we explore what kind of new experiments and institutions that may emerge — and what new constituencies will likely gain a key role in organising at scale — for the re-regionalisation of the economy, which is such an important step of society’s regeneration.How to find and support Daniel’s work:> Medium Blog: > Patreon: > Twitter: > LinkedIn, > Regeneration rising Youtube conversations: > Facebook groups:,, Mentions and references:> Daniel Wahl, Midwives of the Regeneration: On the fertile edges of the more beautiful world, > Daniel Wahl, Salutogenic Cities & Bioregional Regeneration (Part I of II), > Jung’s cognitive functions, > Joanna Macy, > Janine Benyus: “life creates conditions conducive to life”, > Ecolise: > Planetary Health Alliance, > Wendell Berry, The Unsettling of America: Culture and Agriculture, > Regenesis Group: > Bayo Akomolafe: “times are urgent so let’s slow down” > Rebel Wison, Sense-Making the Coronavirus outbreak, with Jamie Wheal, Diane Musho Hamilton: > Yuk Hui, Cosmotechnics as Cosmopolistics, > Thích Nhất Hạnh (interbeing):  Music by liosound.Recorded on April 06th 
This is a “checkpoint” episode where we talk to Lisa about what we’ve been discovering so far in the research for the Whitepaper and get her valuable take focusing on the role of incumbents in adapting to a fast-changing world. She talks about the emerging space between the “no more” and “not yet”. In this in-between space where most of the potential to re-invent organizing seems to lay, ecosystems appear to be a candidate driver of transformation for incumbents, although questions abound regarding their maturity.  > Follow Lisa Gansky on Twitter:> Subscribe to “Instigate this” curated by Lisa: references mentioned in the show:> Marc Andreesen, “It’s time to build”,> Slavoj Zizek on Coronavirus: "Things will not go back to normal",> Ichak Adizes, Organisational Life Cycle:> Reporting 3.0 “Maturation Matrix”: by liosound.Recorded on April 20th 
Stowe describes his calling as “the ecology of work and the anthropology of the future”. He’s founder of Work Futures, where he explores critical themes of the future of work, and top writer in Economics, Leadership and Futures on Medium. He also writes extensively about work technologies and serves as a Gigaom editor.In our conversation, we talk about how platforms contribute to changing the relationship between consumers and producers and how this — in turn — leads to re-shaping organizations, as firms optimize for a low transaction cost economy. We also talk about fairness and the importance of distributed governance to be transparent and reliable, allowing the players in an ecosystem to operate without constantly “covering their backs”.How to find Stowe Boyd and his work:> Medium:> Work Futures: and references:> Rent the Runway:> Amoeba Management | Management Philosophy | KYOCERA,> Stanley McChrystal, Chris Fussell, Tantum Collins, David Silverman (2015): Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World> Carlota Perez social and economic impact of technical change (including S curves):>Follow the work of Ben Evans and Ben Thompson:;> "In all chaos, there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order." - Carl Jung,> Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic and Cindy Gallop in HBR on female leadership> Participatory City: Music by liosound.Recorded on April 3rd 2020
In this Boundaryless Conversation, we talk with Bill Fischer, Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne. Bill co-founded and co-directs the IMD program on Driving Strategic Innovation, in cooperation with the Sloan School of Management at MIT and also authors a regular column for entitled “The Ideas Business”. Together with Bill, we’re exploring how incumbent organizations are likely to respond to pressures like plummeting transaction costs and the need to extend their organizational models across boundaries, digging into the cultural, organizational and leadership resistance that this transformation may encounter.  We talk quite a lot about Haier Group, a world-leading pioneer embracing a culture of entrepreneurship and ecosystem enablement. If you’re interested in learning more about this case, here are two opportunities for you:> A Webinar on the Haier Story hosted on 29th of April, offering an introductory discussion on Haier's Group’s organizational approach Rendanheyi. Sign up here or follow the live streaming on the Boundaryless YouTube channel. > An upcoming Haier Certified 3 Half Day online course that Bill Fischer and Simone Cicero will facilitate online on June 16-17-18 Here are some important links from the conversation:More about the Haier model: > William A. Fischer, Umberto Lago and Fang Liu: Reinventing Giants: > William A. Fische: How Haier gives insights into China’s radical transformation - From autarky to everywhere, > Simone’s take on the PDT blog: “An Entrepreneurial, Ecosystem Enabling Organization - What’s emerging from understanding Haier Group”,> Corporate Rebels: “RenDanHeYi: The Organizational Model Defining The Future Of Work?” Stuff mentioned in the conversation:> Charlie Fine, “Nail it, Scale it, Sail it”, > Oticon hearing aid company in Denmark,> Jos de Blok, founder of the nurse-led organisation Buurztorg:> Stora Enso, the Finish company with roots in the 14th century: > ABB,> John Hagel’s writings on Edge Perspectives, on ideas of scalable learning and the difference between the scalable economy of scalable efficiency,> Andy Boynton, Bill Fischer, William Bole, The Idea Hunter: How to Find the Best Ideas and Make them Happen,  Music by liosound.Recorded on March 30th 2020
In this with Michel Bauwens, we explore both the Epistemological and Political/Regulatory layers of the transition from the “old” to the “new” ways of organising society. We dig into concepts like “trans-national institutions” and explore the changes we could expect in both regional and international governance of the economy and society. Michel Bauwens is founder and director of the P2P Foundation, research director of (a platform for policy development aimed toward a society of the Commons) and a founding member of the Commons Strategies Group. Michel is a real lighthouse when it comes to collaborative, commons-based production models and works tirelessly since more than a decade in collaboration with a global group of researchers in the exploration of peer production, governance, and property.Here are some important links from the conversation:> Michel Bauwens, Corona and the Commons> Michel Bauwens and Jose Ramos, “The pulsation of the commons: The temporal context for the cosmo-local transition” (Draft), > Bologna regulation for the care and regeneration of the urban commons,> P2P Accounting for Planetary Survival - Commons Transition,> REPORTING 3.0,> Robert I. Moore (2000), The First European Revolution: 970-1215,> Bernard A. Lietaer, The Mystery of Money,> Material flow accounting,> Resources, events, agents (accounting model),,_events,_agents_(accounting_model)> David Ronfeldt, Tribes, Institutions, Markets and Networks,> Jamie Wheal in Rebel Wisdom: War on Sensemaking 3, The Infinite Game,> French land trust “Terre des Liens”,> Bernard Stiegler, The Neganthropocene, by liosound.Recorded on March 31st 2020
In this episode, we talk to Ana Andjelic, a Strategy Executive and Doctor of Sociology working on business strategy, marketing, and organizational transformation. Ana has worked with top global advertising agencies and has also worked on the brand-side as a chief marketing executive. In the context of the collaborative economy boom of early 2010, Ana wrote thoughtful reflections on the Guardian and other news outlets. She recently came back to our attention for her brand new newsletter “The Sociology of Business” where she explores the transformation of retail, modern brand building, and how new social and cultural patterns impact the business.We talk about the changing relationship between brands and consumers, what role culture plays in this transformation, and how technology can help - but never fully replace - human interaction. Our conversation also included in-depth reflections about how brands are reacting to the current context of COVID-19 and about the increasing need for empathy and social responsibility in these turbulent times.Read more on our Medium story here are some important links from the conversation:> Ana’s insightful newsletter “The Sociology of Business”,> Ana’s Twitter: @andjelicaaaBrands mentioned that are engaging closely with customer communities:> Glossier, an example of a platform for the community activity that is happening around the beauty products:,> Rapha for cycling communities: > Track smith running brand:> Outdoor voices: topics mentioned:> Benedict Anderson, Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism,> Some concepts from Japanese culture inspiring the west: Omotenashi, Kintsugi, Wabi-Sabi> Demna Gvasalia, Georgian fashion designer, currently the creative director of Balenciaga by liosound.Recorded on March 27th 2020
In this episode, we have a Boundaryless Conversation with John Robb, the owner and principal analyst for the monthly Global Guerrillas Report, that covers the intersection of War, Politics, and Technology.  Its goal is to provide people with the frameworks needed to make sense of our relentlessly chaotic world. In other words, John helps people think clearly at a time when that kind of help is in short supply.  In our conversation with John, we explore how the rapid power shifts we're witnessing towards open source, and self-organizing networks are going to change the way we organize society and the economy.We touched upon the fact that the emergent future of organizing may not disrupt or obsolete the existing markets, but rather coexist, and that there's no way we can get away with ignoring the question concerning technology as society literally "becomes a technological artefact" as John said.Read more on our Medium story hereHere are some important links from the conversation: > John’s patreon page> David Ronfeld, Tribes, Institutions, Markets and Networks,> John Arquilla, David Ronfeldt (eds): Networks and Netwars, The Future of Terror, Crime, and Militancy,> Marshall McLuhan, whose ideas were frequently mentioned in the conversation:> The Cynefin Framework for Simple, Complicated, Complex and Chaotic domains,> Examples of games mentioned that allow modifications to be developed in the kind of open-source community: Fallout and Skyrim:;> Code Academy,> Cameo, a new platform for getting personalised messages from celebrities,> The company where John in 1996 wrote the report “personal broadcast networks”> How to Run a City Like Amazon and Other Fables, a multi-author future fiction imagining cities being run by different companies Music by liosound.Recorded on March 26th 2020
In this episode, we have a boundaryless conversation with Tomas Diez, a Venezuelan Urbanist specialized in digital fabrication and its implications on the future of cities and society. He is the co-founder and director of Fab Lab Barcelona at the Institute for Advanced Architecture of Catalonia (IAAC) and is a founding partner of the Fab City Global Initiative. In our conversation with Tomas, we explore the democratization of the production of goods, mainly through technological progress and open knowledge sharing, and how this might affect the evolution of platform-enabled ecosystem driven production. We ask Tomas - through the lens of this transformation - what new subjectivities and constituents are empowered to organize in ways that are different, whether synergistic or integrated, with current globalization and digitalization trends. Of course, we cannot avoid touching on the changing landscape of risk and policy-making, as we connect with Tomas in the midst of the global pandemic. We also talk about the future of education and the need to reconsider Western-centric values and ways of knowing.Read more on our Medium story are some important links from the conversation:> Fab City: Locally Productive, Globally Connected,> Wendell Berry (1977): The Unsettling of America: Culture and Agriculture,> Peter Noak (2010): Sex, Bombs and Burgers,> Raj Patel, Jason W. Moore (2017): A History of the World in Seven Cheap Things: A Guide to Capitalism, Nature, and the Future of the Planet, Zachary Stein on education in a changing technology landscape, Music by liosound.Recorded on March 17th 2020
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