This week I spiraled out with brilliant television writer, showrunner and co-creator of YELLOWJACKETS (!!!!!!) Ashley Lyle!
We talked nicotine and being 90s teens, the moment you realize you can hurt your mom's feelings,  caring too much about what people think of you at the expense of the people who truly care, the vicious procrastination cycle and ADHD, anxiety & shame intertwined, unhinged goth childhood behavior, feeling replete with humiliation on CELEBRITY FAMILY FUED,  and so much more! I also gave Ashley two Yellowjackets- specific shame game scenarios, which she was an incredible sport about (even though they fully elevated her heart rate- sorry Ashley!!!) 

If somehow you have not yet seen Yellowjackets, WATCH IT NOW!  IT IS INCREDIBLE, TOP TIER TELEVISION!!!! Now that the strike is over, you can finish it and join the rest of us in waiting with bated breath for season three! Ashley has also written on Dispatches From Elsewhere, Narcos, The Originals, and more. Follow her on Twitter @ashannlyle!  
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Audio Engineer: Sarah Gabrielli @therealsarahgabrielli @cruisingpod 

Original Music: Shadwick Wilde, Instagram and Twitter: @shadwickwilde

Cover Art: Cassidy Kulhanek, Instagram, Twitter and TikTok: @heavenlygrandpa

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