Leaders at COP29 in Baku endorsed a declaration to use digital technologies and AI to address climate action, while also acknowledging the need to minimise its environmental impacts. How do we find this balance? Is it achievable at all? What new narratives and policy directions are needed? What does it mean for countries in Asia that are already grappling with the environmental impacts of rapid industrialisation? 

In this episode, Cindy Lin and Sherif Elsayed-Ali critique AI's scalability and environmental costs while urging interdisciplinary approaches to ensure meaningful impact. They advocate for realistic narratives, collective restraint, and context-specific innovations, highlighting the need to distinguish hype from scientifically proven use cases to achieve sustainable advancements.

You can read the transcript for this episode ⁠here. 

Speakers

Cindy Lin

Cindy is an Assistant Professor at the School of Interactive Computing at Georgia Tech. An ethnographer and information scientist, her work centers on the data practices, exchanges, and expertise of climate change and their relationship to race and environmental governance in Indonesia and the United States. 

Prior to her professorship at Georgia Tech, she was assistant professor at the College of Information Sciences and Technology at the Pennsylvania State University. She was also a visiting postdoctoral fellow at Cornell Tech's Digital Life Initiative as well as a postdoctoral fellow at Cornell Atkinson Centre for Sustainability and Cornell's Department of Information Science. 

Sherif Elsayed-Ali

Sherif is Executive Director of the Future of Technology Institute, where he brings unique expertise at the intersection of technology policy, entrepreneurship and human rights. He previously co-founded and served as CEO of Carbon Re, a joint spin-out of Cambridge University and UCL using machine learning to accelerate the decarbonization of foundational materials such as cement. 

Prior to this, he set up and led the AI for Climate practice at Canadian scale-up Element AI and was co-founder of Amnesty Tech. He was a World Economic Forum Global Future Council co-chair and a fellow at Harvard Kennedy School, both focusing on the intersection of technology and human rights. 

Show Notes

Conference of Parties 29 (COP29)

COP29 Declaration on Green Digital Action

School of Interactive Computing, Georgia Tech

Future of Tech Institute

Carbon Re

Amnesty Tech

Josiah Hester on Battery-less Devices

Yale Program on Climate Change Communication - Climate Change in the Indonesian Mind

Computing Net Zero

Post-growth Human Computer Interaction

Digital Energetics

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Credits

Audio Editing: Creator Studio Goa by Winfluence Media 

Production Support: Shivranjana Rathore 

Cover Design: Nayantara Surendranath

Attributions

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