Our next guest is Spencer Nugent, where we dive into a conversation about the good things about hard things. In the age of instant gratification and intelligent tools, there’s value to taking the long, slow road when creating great things. With these new tools and platforms, ease of production and low barriers to entry can make design more democratic, but without proper restraint, has also made it much more superficial. In this episode, we go deep about keeping it real. Thanks for tuning in, be on the lookout for our next podcast! Send us a DM or email at hello@advdes.org to provide us with your thoughts and comments on our dialogue with designers!