Ben joins me in my secret living room lair while the podcast studio is being constructed, we chat about the Phat Jam 7 Skate Contest, the new skatepark in opening soon in my hometown of Nipomo, rehabbing our back/knee injuries, Ben's love for physical therapy, nearly becoming a father, living in Seattle, why we hate Reels on IG, the legendary Blake, Mr. Bungle/Mike Patton, living in a world that hates cops, and advocating for the future Santa Maria skatepark.