(Recorded July 2025) Leilani and Kimberlyn discuss their reactions to the early stages of the Covid era, how things unfolded over the years, and how their lives and magical practices have been impacted.

Their check-ins:  Kimberlyn wonders about the connection between anxiety and her scratching; Leilani builds a uniquely constructed retaining wall.

Mentioned in the episode: Armin van Buuren, Reinier Zonneveld, and Roland Clark’s song, “We Can Dance Again.”

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