Episode 15 of With(in) journeys into today’s social climate, as Associate Producer Sean Marshall (incarcerated at Denver Reception and Diagnostic Center) opens by laying down a framework describing the facts about the origination of two seemingly polarizing organizations: Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter. Sean then interviews Cyrus Clarkson, a captain in the Colorado Department of Corrections. In it, we discover that our differences are outweighed by our shared humanity, and the power of treating people not in the way we want to be treated, but in the way they want to be treated. Next, Segment Host Brett Phillips (incarcerated at Sterling Correctional Facility) talks with Leandra Bumpass (incarcerated at Denver Womens), where she depicts her childhood as preparing her to be a strong black woman, and her deep desire to see the world as a place where we can exhale. Co-Hosts Andrew Draper and Denise Presson explain the blurring of the mythos in America of who are villains and who are heroes. They extol the virtues of curiosity and conversation as a way forward for our country, during this moment of deep divide.