Devon is the Vice President, Food Initiative, at the Rockefeller Foundation. Devon oversees the Good Food Strategy in the United States, working to advance a more nourishing, regenerative and equitable domestic food system. In this role, she collaborates with stakeholders across the food system to increase consumption of healthy, sustainably produced foods in underserved communities. On this episode of Food Lab Talk, Michiel speaks with Devon about the complexity of systems change, the importance of engaging with a variety of people and perspectives, and why nutrition education isn’t the only tool for shifting diets.

Devon Klatell: “I think we get a little lost thinking that we all can go from the same A to B when talking about shifting diets. I think nutrition education is a really important tool in shifting diets and it's not enough. So let's educate them, but let's also make sure that they can afford to buy the foods that you're recommending that they eat. Let's also make sure that those foods are available to them in a place that they can get to in their busy day. That they have the transportation to access. Let's make sure that they're culturally appropriate. Let's make sure that our policy framework supports growing and producing those foods just as much as it supports growing and producing other foods. One of the big mistakes we've made in the past around shifting diets is being overly focused on one solution.”

00:10 Intro to Devon

01:10 From late night food shows to shifting food systems

05:28 Why we need to talk about multiple food systems at different scales

07:35 Unintended consequences of food system complexities

09:19 Making opportunity universal and sustainable

11:12 How the health impacts of the food system carry a $1T price tag

14:32 Why we cannot ignore the scale of the problem

16:44 Shifting the focus of healthcare to nutrition

18:41 Personalizing the path to shift diets

21:13 Systems change as a “yes, and” exercise

22:46 Shifting diets vs shifting lifestyles

25:14 Balancing food as medicine and joy of food

27:59 Using healthcare resources to lower barriers to healthy eating

30:24 Theory of Change: How Rockefeller Foundation is making invisible problems visible

35:13 Why it's important to invite skeptics to your table

37:22 Takeaways for changemakers 

Links

• Rockefeller Foundation
• Good Food Strategy: USA
• True Cost of Food Report
• Rockefeller Food is Medicine
• Global Energy Alliance for People and Planet

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