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#171 - The Delicate Art of Bureaucracy and Adaptive Ethics - Mark Schwartz

#171 - The Delicate Art of Bureaucracy and Adaptive Ethics - Mark Schwartz

Update: 2024-04-22
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“Bureaucracy in itself is neither good nor bad. However, it often gets in the way and prevents important things you need to do. A good bureaucracy is lean, learning, and enabling."


Mark Schwartz is an Enterprise Strategist at AWS and the author of multiple books from IT Revolution. In this episode, we discuss his two latest books on the topics of bureaucracy and ethics. Mark begins by sharing his perspective on the impact of bureaucracy on digital transformation. He explains the definition of bureaucracy and why it tends to have a negative connotation. Mark describes the characteristics of a good bureaucracy and how leaders can play an important role in managing bureaucracy.


Next, Mark shares his reasons for writing about ethics in his latest book, why it is becoming more relevant in the digital world, and how leaders can make better ethical decisions in the current fast-paced business world.  


Listen out for:



  • Career Journey - [00:01:22 ]

  • State of Digital Transformation - [00:04:33 ]

  • Bureaucracy - [00:08:31 ]

  • Bureaucracy and Process Improvement - [00:13:14 ]

  • IT as the Biggest Bureaucrats - [00:15:30 ]

  • Bureaucracy Creates Business Value - [00:18:09 ]

  • Characteristics of Good Bureaucracy - [00:20:40 ]

  • Leaders' Roles Towards Bureaucracy - [00:26:05 ]

  • Writing About Ethics - [00:34:10 ]

  • How to Make Ethical Decisions - [00:41:12 ]

  • 3 Tech Lead Wisdom - [00:54:21 ]


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Mark Schwartz’s Bio
Mark Schwartz is an iconoclastic CIO and a playful crafter of ideas, an inveterate purveyor of lucubratory prose. He has been an IT leader in organizations small and large, public, private, and nonprofit. As an Enterprise Strategist for Amazon Web Services, he uses his CIO experience to bring strategies to enterprises or enterprises to strategies, and bring both to the cloud. As the CIO of US Citizenship and Immigration Services, he provoked the federal government into adopting Agile and DevOps practices.


Mark speaks frequently on innovation, bureaucratic implications of DevOps, and using Agile processes in low-trust environments. With a BS in computer science from Yale, a master’s in philosophy from Yale, and an MBA from Wharton, Mark is either an expert on the business value of IT or else he just thinks about it a lot.


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#171 - The Delicate Art of Bureaucracy and Adaptive Ethics - Mark Schwartz

#171 - The Delicate Art of Bureaucracy and Adaptive Ethics - Mark Schwartz

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