Welcome to the second episode of the MEER podcast, a show dedicated to science education that focuses on topics such as climate change, adaptation, and restoration. In this episode, Dr. Tao explains the origins of MEER and the framework he worked on with hundreds of students across the United States. He also talks about the framework's above other mitigation schemes. Additionally, he explains CROI (Cooling Return on Investment) and why it is so vital to factor in what is feasible in terms of mitigation. We hope you find this episode helpful and enlightening.