2024 Listener Hangout Show - DTNS 4923
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Welcome to our end of year Listener Hangout Show. This is the annual episode where we invite several of our supporters to appear alongside us on the show. On this episode we ask our listeners about their use of generative AI and passkeys. Plus we debate which streaming service are the ones we can’t live without!
Starring Tom Merritt, Sarah Lane, Roger Chang, Joe, Mark Bussell Jr., Andrew Tzakis, Todd Belcher, Gary Fisher, Howard Yermish.
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Coming up on DTNS, how many of our listeners use generative models regularly?
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What about past keys in which streaming service can they not live without?
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It's our 2024 Listener episode!
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This is the Daily Tech News Show for Thursday, December 26, 2024, Happy Boxing Day in Los Angeles, I'm Tamar.
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I'm Studio Animal House, I'm Sarah Lane and I'm Roger Chang, the shows producer.
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Welcome to our end of the year.
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Listener, hangout, co-host, whatever you want to call it, show.
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We invite several of our supporters to come on the show and talk to us about what they've been doing, what they're up to, and this year we're doing a more hangout style.
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We're just going to discuss some topics that have been trending throughout the year.
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Some of them were suggested by the folks on the show.
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Let's go around the horn and introduce everybody, starting off with Mark Bussell Jr., a.k.a.
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Anon Jr., from sunny adjacent North Carolina, Anon Jr., it's so great to have you here, man.
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Thanks for being here.
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Absolutely.
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Good to see you again.
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Yeah, it's good to see you again.
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It's been that long, huh?
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Wow.
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13.
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Yeah, yeah.
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If anybody's on our Patreon, then you recognize the username Anon Jr., we also have Andrew Zacus, firmware engineer in the Chicago land area.
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Andrew, welcome.
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Hi.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's super excited to talk to you in person.
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Good to talk to you as well, as well as Todd Belcher, technologist turned marketing technologist, not retired, but in sunny Florida.
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Hey, how's it going?
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Yes.
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Definitely a funny way to be introduced to you, both Tom and Sarah and Roger earlier.
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Thanks for hanging out with us, man.
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Hello with us, Gary Fisher, the Senior Geek from sunny Southern California.
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We've interacted many times over the years.
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Gary, good to have you back, man.
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Yeah, good to see you again.
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And the voice you hear at the end of our shows quite often, Howard Yermish, by day, a director of product for an enterprise software company and by night, a music composer and photographer,
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Howard, welcome and thank you.
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It is so nice to be part of this show, part of the DTS Family of Podcasts.
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Where we can help each other understand.
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Yay.
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It's live.
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It's been here the whole time.
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The whole time.
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That's great, man.
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Thank you again for doing that and thank you for being here.
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You got it.
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I love being here.
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This is great.
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All right.
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So like I said, we're just going to do a hangout.
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We picked some topics.
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Sarah, kick us off.
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What's the first one?
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All right.
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So the first one is AI.
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If anybody has-- Never heard of it.
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What is it?
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You know, the 2024, you probably know a little bit about it.
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You might use it.
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You might not use it.
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You might have thoughts about it.
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And we wanted to go around the horn, but who is using generative AI and if so, why and how?
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And if you're not, why aren't you?
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So just I'm going to go clockwise here and start with you, Andrew.
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But what is your current feeling about it?
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So I think it definitely has a place, but it kind of depends on what you're doing.
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So in my line of work, I'm working on a lot on the firmware, so the software that runs on hardware.
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And that's not something-- company, firmware code, there's not a lot of examples of it.
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So that's kind of hard for AI to generate something when it's generating things that are based on a lot of samples that it has, open source code and stuff like that.
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But when we're dealing with code that companies keep privately in is not something that every person can really do, it doesn't have a good example to draw on.
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So in my line, there's also like the other side of like, well, you need to make test programs.
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Programs run on PCs and phones and stuff like that.
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So there, it's great because you can just describe, well, I need this generic thing to happen on a platform that you're very familiar with.
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And then it works really well there.
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So I think it kind of depends on what you're doing.
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And if what it is generating has a good sample base.
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So that's kind of like from my work experience, how it's being used.
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So not as much, I guess, as some places, but yeah, it can be helpful for some things.
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It sounds like you're using it like an assistant, like a little prototyper-ish.
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Yeah.
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I definitely, the name co-pilot, I think, it's a good idea.
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And the other side of this is like, well, if you're doing something repetitive, it can kind of help or infer from your code, and that's something that I think,
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if you have a big enough internal company sample of code, it could maybe train itself on.
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But anything that it does, you kind of have to keep an eye on.
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I did have not too long ago, I was working on, it's a Windows API, but no one uses it.
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So when I was looking online, I could not find examples of it.
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So I was like, okay, generate code to use this API.
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And what it generated, like it didn't compile, some of the names were made up.
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So it's, but you know, it kind of came up with something.
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It still means a lot of handholding in that respect.
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Yeah.
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Good stuff, good stuff from you, Andrew.
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Gary, what are your thoughts on generative AI?
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How do you use it, if at all?
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Well, I've been playing around with it for a while when ChatGPT first came out.
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I was still working at Disneyland at the time in Galaxy's Edge, and I asked it to describe how the rise of the resistance attraction worked.
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And I was wondering if it could figure out actually how it worked, because a lot of people ask and we don't tell them.
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But it gave me the story of rise of the resistance, but then it just hallucinated and added one of the endings of Star Tours to it.
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So I corrected it.
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But since then, I mean, that was right after it came out.
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Since then, I've been using it to create the thumbnail that I have for my substack is an old man yelling at clouds.
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And I generated that, I think, I don't know, I used, I've used a bunch of, I don't, I think it was probably, what's the one Microsoft has?
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And then I've been digitizing and editing down old home movies that my grandfather and my father took from eight millimeter to digital.
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And I've been wanting to put music beds on them.
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And I was using like creative commons music from like Alexander Nakarata and Kevin McLeod,
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Brian Taylor.
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But I started playing around with Udeo, Udeo.com, which is still on beta.
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And just in the two or three months, I've been using it.
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It's been getting better and better.
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I'm paying ten bucks so I can create up to a two-minute and ten-second clip.
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And then you can extend that.
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The free version only lets you do 30 seconds, and I think it lets you do ten generations per day.
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And it takes a lot of iteration to get what you want, usually.
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But I can just see that it's getting better as time went by.
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So far, I haven't been able to get a Newsy Bed for my podcast that starts off with a trumpet flourish or brass flourish and then goes to the kind of thing.
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But I'm still trying.
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Right.
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Howard Yermish.
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Where are you standing on AI?
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So I have two really interesting use cases and one is called strong feelings about these different generative services with music creation since it's a thing that I am a trained composer.
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I know how to create things.
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So I sometimes see the results and it makes me feel feelings.
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On one hand, I love that people are creating music.
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That's always a good thing.
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And then sometimes I listen to it and say, I'm glad that I'm not using it to be my voice instead of me.
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So I think I'm sort of conflicted that way.
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I want to see the tools get better.
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But they don't know how to be right like I want to write.
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So it's just interesting that way.
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From work, the thing we're actually using a lot of generative AI for Chatchy BT and some stuff inside of Salesforce itself, we're doing it as almost as like a research tool for what search engines are typically bad at.
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So for example, like Chatchy BT is really good about like, say, tell me the top five trends in this particular kind of product.
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And then you just ask it to keep giving you the next five and the next five and the next five, which in search would be impossible to get 100 pages into searches.
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But when you're really trying to figure out some interesting innovations, having the ability to kind of dig in a little farther and then go see the sources that it comes from, kind of helps out from product design and competitive research in ways that really,
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previously we just never really did.
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So it's kind of a nice way to leverage what Chatchy BT is good at versus what Google is terrible at.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Todd, what are your thoughts on this?
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Oh, my goodness.
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Yeah, I use it all the time.
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I guess when when Chatchy BT got kind of popularized when Chatchy BT 3 came out, I put out 40 episodes of a podcast trying to kind of figure out how could I make a generative AI kind of deliver information to me in a way that I wanted to consume it.
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And it worked out pretty well, but I also had to stop doing it because it was like taking up too much of my mornings, getting up every morning at 5 a.m.
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And what I would do is I would get the MLB stats from the previous day and generate an episode right on the fly, which was super fun, but you know,
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in work, unfortunately, I'm not able to do stuff like that.
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So web development, unlike Andrew, there's tons of examples of web development for all the generative engines to go out there and find.
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And so my work in JavaScript, HTML, et cetera, is all very well documented within these tools and makes my life a lot easier.
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It sounds like across the board, most of you have found it to be helpful, but not.
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Unexpectedly, like, oh my gosh, like it has turned my world upside down, just, just helpful.
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Is that fair?
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I think if I had more time in the day, if my world would be turned upside down, there's a lot I want to get to than I'm not right there yet, you know?
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Well, you should have an AI help you find more time in the day.
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Working on it.
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Working on it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But sometimes they just, you know, I don't know, it ends up taking some time out of your day.
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I know that you had told us before we started the show, maybe don't have a whole lot to say about this.
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But how does AI plan to your life?
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Right now I've just been poking around at the edges of what chat GPT and some of the other LLMs can do.
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I do plan on using it to, as a sort of research assistant for a project I've got coming up in 2025, although I am definitely going to make sure I ask for links and sources.
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Given some of the hallucination problems that are still out there.
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I also want to get into a little bit of the image generation.
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I've got a podcast I want to start and I've been thinking about based off of what Heaton said with his experience with the UDO, possibly using that, although I've got a friend that I do need to give right of first refusal to write any music for that.
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More so than myself, my middle sister, who goes by the handle, Ray Est on the coffee craft server, she has been using it a lot more.
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We've done an interesting little dosido in our careers.
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I started out as a computer programmer and at the time she was learning how to do Luthorie from one of the local guys.
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And now I am working as a Luthorian for a pair of shop and she is doing data analysts.
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And so she's now having to learn Python and SQL.
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And so she's been getting a lot of mileage out of Chat GPD.
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How do I rate a query to do X, Y, Z, and really trying to come about it from that.
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She knows enough to understand the syntax and look at it like, oh yeah, there shouldn't be a semicolon there.
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But not enough to just write the query from scratch without the assistance of Chat GPD.
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Although it's also, it's impacted some of our fun a little bit too.
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We've got a D&D game that we run once a month and Arcadius, her husband, also on the coffee craft server, was trying to argue about whether or not he could fit 180 pounds of Luthorie in a 50 gallon barrel and float it down the waterway.
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And I thought that was unrealistic and while we're in the middle of all this, Ray Est goes to Chat GPD and says, well, according to the Lucidian theorem, you could fit 400 and 17 pounds without a sinky.
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And it's like, okay, well, sorry to keep you as an answer for that.
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That's funny.
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Yeah, that's good.
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Anybody surprised by anybody else's answer here?
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I'm surprised by the vast array of different ways that people are using it.
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So just the variety, yeah, nobody's using it exactly the same.
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I feel like I have those conversations with people all the time, you know, sometimes I'm like, Chat GPD just sucks.
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I mean, it just like spit out something that was just clearly wrong and they're like, are you kidding?
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I mean, that's the only way I even write emails anymore.
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Well, I was trying to find the source of a quote one time and Claire Gallagher in Ireland suggested I use Chat GPD and it took me right to the source,
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whereas you kept Google and it stuck stuck just, you know, kept telling taking me to something that was completely irrelevant.
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Yeah.
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Well, the difference 12 months makes Chat GPD used to just make up a quote and attribute it.
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I said it.
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Yeah.
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And that is actually a long lines of what I want to do with it for the Bible study podcast that I want to do.
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I've got a lot of stuff where I read a lot of commentators citing this that and the other is if it's, you know, the way it is and that's great and all, I grew up under trust,
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but verify.
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And so for some of the stuff that I can't quite, I don't see an immediate connection.
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I want to go back and like, so what is the origin of?
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And I'm hoping to use Chat GPD for that kind of research assistance.
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I can see that being really helpful for that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Getting digging down into those citations.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Especially when there's translations, I mean, I don't doubt them.
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I don't, you know, I don't think they're, you know, but again, I grew up under trust, but verify.
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So I want to, you know, yeah, yeah, find some.
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But there's nobody who's not using it here either, which, I mean, it's a people who listen to talk into a bunch of techies, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But you would think from the public outcry in our audience that's like, look at a half of our, you know, our backgrounds.
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Like people, people like their tools and using it outside of work, right?
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Like I barely ever use it outside of work.
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I guess that would be an interesting one.
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And, and there's some people who are the opposite who are like, you know, I can only use, in fact, Andrew, you somewhat were saying, like, I can't use it for a lot of work just because, but I can use it for certain parts of work.
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Yeah.
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And actually, my, I've used it out of, well, when I've used it out of work, because like, it pops up in the Google docs now and everything.
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So I was like, okay, I'll give it a try, like, you know, make me two columns of this.
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And I was actually, that's where it actually surprised me for the, because I was just like, that was a lot easier, you know, like, I mean, because I guess I don't use the word processor enough to like, okay, I need to do this.
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You're always searching for, but it's like, I, I gave it a, I need to do this and it gave me a really good head start, you know, and from there I could edit.
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So like, I can, you know, it's definitely has, you know, a lot of uses that, you know, the everyday, you know, person can, can, can find easily.
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I think Google is trying, you know, everyone's really trying to push it into their products.
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So you just stumble upon, you know, the shining icons and stuff like that.
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And, but, you know, it's, you know, I find it there for me, more useful, but, you know, I definitely recognize my work is kind of like a small subset,
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you know, like Todd was saying with, you know, web code and stuff like that.
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Like, yeah, just tons of examples and it's going to do, you know, great on that.
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So, yeah, well, can you give it a code segment and have it check it for bugs?
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I haven't done that yet, but like, you know, using it is like a LinkedIn, you know, like a code reviewer.
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I'm interested in that, but, you know, I'm a little skeptical, I guess, because it's like, you know, in terms of, you know, well, just trying to understand a whole idea of what the code is doing.
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It'd be interesting to see what it comes up with compared to a lot of the like, the existing tools that look for errors and things like that.
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I don't, I don't go anymore, but back in the 60s, 70s and 80s, I'm old.
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It would have been nice if I was having a problem if I could have just handed it to an AI and say, okay, what am I doing wrong here?
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Yeah.
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Well, that's it.
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Like, just being able to take your code, feed it to the AI and have it put comments in the code for you when you take on a project that wasn't yours in the first place, for example, you know, getting comments is great writing comments that you don't want to have to write is great.
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And then, yeah, with debugging, you run into the errors and you kind of get an idea for what, what, where the error is at.
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And that's where the, the AI helps you troubleshoot quite a bit and I'll give you working code back that you can try in a test environment, kind of go back and forth with the AI a little bit and get things done.
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Isn't that what the co-pilot or the GitHub co-pilot is supposed to do?
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It does.
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Right.
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So, yeah, I have that set up with VS Code.
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In fact, I switched to VS Code because of that.
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However, I don't love working with the AI directly in my text editor.
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I like to bounce around the cloud and Gemini as well.
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So I got them all over the place.
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All right.
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How many of you use a password manager?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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We've got all the hands up.
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All the hands up.
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Yeah.
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Hands up.
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Yeah.
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Everybody.
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So that doesn't surprise me.
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Like I said, we are technologically savvy people here.
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We understand the need for security.
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How many of you are using past keys?
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I am for some of my stuff.
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We've got all the hands, but some of them were shaky.
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It's like, yeah, it looks like Todd and Andrew, particularly, we're being shaky on it.
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Todd, starting with you, like what's the shakiness about?
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What's holding you off on diving fully in?
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I use it on most things, sometimes I live in a household where we share a lot of accounts and sometimes it's just tricky to use certain past keys for certain things.
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But otherwise, they're not on the right device or why?
00:21:16
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Device-based past keys are my favorite.
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Yes.
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What about you, Andrew?
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So I mainly use it with my Google account.
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Like there's not a lot of places that I encounter, they're starting to pop up now.
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So it's really just, it's not as prevalent.
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My shakiness was like, when it, you know, when it first started on, I started using it with Google.
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You could use the like take a user of camera and, you know, scan the QR code and then it connects and it does the past key and I'm like, that's amazing, you know.
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But like sometimes that QR code won't come up, so I'm just like, you know, like it literally worked here and then it didn't work and I'm like, okay, now I have to type in my crazy long password.
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Like, you know, it's not, I guess, ready yet, but I like the concept.
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You know, I definitely, you know, I mean, I don't know any of my actual passwords, so mine is well be, you know, something that's just stored on the device, you know.
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So good potential, but it needs more, I guess, momentum.
00:22:15
Gary, you seemed maybe a little on the edge as well.
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Not really, it's my wife and daughter that are on the edge, but yeah, I use the Apple password manager.
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It was the keychain for a while and they just broke it out into its own app, which confused my wife because she went looking for it in settings and it wasn't there anymore,
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but what I've done is my wife and I have all these accounts and we don't have anything to hide from each other.
00:22:48
And so I have shared most of my passwords with her and vice versa.
00:22:55
But I like the fact that if I'm, I've got a relatively new MacBook Air here with a fingerprint sensor and as long as I've logged into something once before,
00:23:09
you know, it pops up and pops up a little symbol for the fingerprint sensor and I just put my index finger on it and I'm logged in.
00:23:18
And you know, occasionally, that's the other reason my wife doesn't like it is I am never more than like two feet away from my phone.
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But she'll leave her phone somewhere and go wandering off with her laptop and then she wants to log into something and she'll need to do two FA with her phone and she doesn't like that.
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And then my daughter has an Android phone and so she's not even in that ecosystem.
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So my wife still has a Microsoft Word document on the desktop of her Windows laptop that doesn't actually have the passwords in it,
00:24:01
it has hints.
00:24:03
So it's a little more secure and you know, you need to be able to log into her laptop to get to that, but what are the past keys are they are they taken up the past keys at all?
00:24:17
Not so much.
00:24:18
No, yeah.
00:24:19
Okay.
00:24:20
Now again, I like it that I can log into my bank account just by looking at my phone.
00:24:27
It's kind of scary that I can do that, but you know, I can pay for my groceries.
00:24:33
I love it.
00:24:36
I can pay for my groceries at Trader Joe's with like just by looking at my phone.
00:24:41
It's great.
00:24:43
Mark, and Howard, you seem to be the most bullish on past keys.
00:24:47
Would you like to arm wrestle over who loves past keys the most?
00:24:51
I love past keys so much I've been teaching my children that they need to incorporate them into their password manager.
00:24:58
I think that was my proudest, not my proudest, one of the proud father moments was having my kids treat password security like it mattered when they were just kids.
00:25:08
And it was like some game online where they were like, oh, I need a secure password.
00:25:12
And I was like, yes, you're nine and you get it.
00:25:15
And there are, you know, ones in college and one is graduated college.
00:25:18
And so they have great password security.
00:25:21
They're all part of my one password family account.
00:25:25
So when we share stuff, we share it through one password as opposed to sharing it through like a text message with a thing.
00:25:31
So I'm pretty happy about it.
00:25:34
I've been a one password user since I think I want to say 2008 or earlier than that, but just for pretty much forever.
00:25:43
It's been great.
00:25:44
And with past keys on one password now, those device passwords share across devices that are logged into one password.
00:25:51
So I even get the like, oh, I logged in on my laptop and now on my phone, I'm using one password.
00:25:55
I'm still using the same thing so it's really, really fluid.
00:25:59
My worst experience was at work, we use one password as well.
00:26:04
And they decided to do single sign-on to open up one password, but the combination of single sign-on coming from another source to open one password, it was like too much of a loop.
00:26:15
So it pretty much just broke that whole experience and we had to remove the SSO access for at least for what we were doing there.
00:26:23
So people still have to type a password into one password to open up their vaults for that.
00:26:29
So just a word of warning, be careful of SSO plus one password.
00:26:33
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:35
Mark, can you top Howard's optimism?
00:26:38
>> I don't know if I can top it yet, but I really am hoping that past keys will solve the problem with family members that don't have as good a password security,
00:26:50
although I will also say that, like Howard, I recently switched from last past to one password and I have really been enjoying one password's ability to store those past keys.
00:27:02
I recently upgraded my Chromebook to a refurbished M1 Mac Air MacBook Air and logging into Amazon of my Google stuff was whirls easier because all the past keys were stored in one password.
00:27:22
And that just, that made life much easier.
00:27:26
>> Yeah.
00:27:27
All right, we've got one more topic to get through in the hangout, but folks, if you have a question about the show, even though we're not doing live shows during the holiday break, we do answer our emails.
00:27:38
So send us an email, feedback@dailytechnewshow.com.
00:27:43
>> Sarah, are you still using that new Mac Mini?
00:27:48
>> Yes.
00:27:49
Oh my gosh, my Mac Mini.
00:27:52
Can I show up?
00:27:53
Well, it has lots of things attached to it, but this is my best friend.
00:27:58
I love it so much.
00:28:00
So last month, I upgraded my Mac Mini to an M4 Pro model.
00:28:06
It has been wonderful, but I know not everybody is in the Mac ecosystem, but Gary, I hear that you recently made an upgrade yourself from a Windows desktop PC to an M3 MacBook Air.
00:28:20
How did that go?
00:28:23
>> It was fairly easy.
00:28:24
I used to use Macs back in the '90s, '80s and '90s, so I had a basic understanding of them.
00:28:33
The biggest problem is when I'm switching from Windows to, I have a Chromebook, and then I also still have my Windows desktop here,
00:28:46
is knowing which way to scroll.
00:28:49
>> I just changed the default so that they all scroll the same.
00:28:56
>> Yeah.
00:28:57
>> You and me.
00:28:58
>> My mother scrolls opposite of me and I'm just like, how do you live?
00:29:01
>> Yeah.
00:29:02
>> It's just easy.
00:29:03
>> Yeah, just that's the way I do it.
00:29:06
But yeah, it's been relatively, I use Audacity for audio editing, and there's a Mac version of that,
00:29:18
there's a Linux version of that.
00:29:24
The biggest reason I got the MacBook Air was I was doing this video editing, and I think I was using an ancient version of Adobe.
00:29:38
What's the Adobe?
00:29:39
>> Premiere?
00:29:40
>> No, it's Premiere for video editing, and it was the consumer version of Premiere.
00:29:48
The elements, I think they called it, but I would go, you know, I get finished editing and I'd go to create an MP4 or something like that, and then go to bed and it might be done by the time I got done.
00:30:01
And with this M3 laptop that I have, it takes two minutes.
00:30:10
>> Yeah.
00:30:11
>> See, the workflow stuff is always the reason that I feel like people will say, it doesn't really matter what platform I want to,
00:30:22
you know, from the previous platform if it makes things easier.
00:30:26
I love to know what the rest of you are using as your primary, you know, your favorite computer.
00:30:33
I know we all have a few of them, but Andrew, what do you rock in these days?
00:30:38
>> It's by work, I'm on Windows all the time now.
00:30:41
So for the longest time, I guess my work in Korea is on Linux, so I'll run, you know, get batch and things like that to make Windows more like Linux,
00:30:53
because I'm just used to, like, that's how I visualize the files and stuff like that.
00:30:58
But you know, every now and then I have to go to Mac, you know, for testing and whatnot.
00:31:06
And I'm just like, I don't know where my files are.
00:31:10
I just saved this.
00:31:11
How do I find it?
00:31:13
But I mean, that's just, you know, because I don't use it.
00:31:16
>> Yeah.
00:31:17
No, I had the same thing the first time I moved over from Windows to Mac, it was a while ago now, like 2009 or whatever, but it took me forever to figure out like how to, how to find apps and install,
00:31:28
you know, like, because everything just works a little differently, you have to, you have to get used to it.
00:31:32
>> Well, I remember asking someone the first time I got my first MacBook Pro, well, maybe it was just a MacBook.
00:31:38
I don't even think the Pro existed.
00:31:40
And I was like, how do you get rid of a application?
00:31:46
And he was like, just drag it to the trash.
00:31:47
>> Yeah.
00:31:48
>> Really?
00:31:49
>> That's all you do.
00:31:50
You don't have to like run and uninstall her and he was like, no, no, that's it.
00:31:56
That's all you do.
00:31:58
And at the time, I was like, well, that's weird.
00:32:01
It's almost like going from like a stick shift to an automatic car.
00:32:04
You're like, well, now it's boring.
00:32:06
>> How do I get into second gear?
00:32:07
There is no second.
00:32:08
>> Right, howard, what about you, what's your current situation?
00:32:14
>> So I'm currently prevented from upgrading my, I have an iMac that's the last Intel one.
00:32:20
It's great, it still runs fast, but my work laptop is an M2, I guess an M, yeah, an M2.
00:32:30
And it's ridiculously fast, but my home setup has all this music software on it.
00:32:36
And there's software that's not compatible with the latest version of Mac OS.
00:32:41
And if I go to upgrade to the latest Mac of Mini, which is one of the same one that you have Sarah, I was looking at, it's going to come with the latest version of the OS.
00:32:49
So I have to kind of wait until all the software says, yes, it's good, you can do this.
00:32:54
But I'm definitely looking forward to that.
00:32:56
This machine that I've been running now for over five years is definitely ready for it's, for it's time to go to a nice little farm upstate and do some computing in the fields out there somewhere,
00:33:09
especially because this music stuff, yeah, this music stuff somehow.
00:33:12
>> It's part of the burnout back, it's fine, yeah, you'll find some room for it.
00:33:18
Yeah, I just took my old Mac Mini off of the desk just for, I don't know, just to make room.
00:33:28
It's behind me, and I just keep being like, it's okay, buddy, you're still a good computer.
00:33:33
You've done a lot of things.
00:33:34
Todd, what about you?
00:33:36
>> The modest Windows gaming laptop that I use mostly for professional reasons, I swear.
00:33:43
Android phones, I've used plenty of Macs and like them, but I started using Windows when Windows started being a thing, and I just never really stopped.
00:33:55
So still here.
00:33:56
>> All right, so what about you, Mark, I'm going to guess you've got a few systems, what's your favorite?
00:34:05
>> Yeah, I've got a few different ones.
00:34:07
I've always been predominantly a Windows guy, Windows developer.
00:34:12
When I worked at the hospital, it was a Windows shop, so, you know, NT server, NT4, yeah, now I'm from there.
00:34:23
I've got a refurbished alien where that I'm doing this on right now for my game streaming and that kind of stuff, but at the start of my medical journey,
00:34:34
I was having an interesting problem because I'm sitting in the hospital and I've got nothing to do.
00:34:41
So I had my sister bring me my trusty old refurbished Surface Pro 4 that had lasted me way longer than it should have, and it only lasted me another two weeks.
00:34:50
So I had her go grab the MacBook Pro that I had that I used for testing previously, and that was really good for a couple of weeks and that I get an inexpensive Chromebook.
00:35:06
It wasn't quite what I wanted, but it was within the budget of the time, and that lasted me up until about a few weeks ago where it just wasn't keeping up with the telehealth stuff.
00:35:17
I was trying to do the telehealth meetings with the doctors and it just, it died on a two way communication.
00:35:24
So I got a refurbished MacBook Air M1 from 2020, and that's been working really nice.
00:35:32
I'm first time playing with the ARM chips and the M1 chips.
00:35:37
I really like it except for the fact that I can't get Ruby installed so I can use Jekyll to build my websites.
00:35:46
And I just went a little bit of a problem, but I do absolutely love the fingerprint sensor and I wish everybody would put that on the desktop keyboards, their laptops everywhere.
00:35:55
Just please put a good fingerprint sensor on there.
00:36:00
Yeah.
00:36:01
I will say that my one big knit with the max is the fact that the menus are all at the top of the screen instead of the top of the window,
00:36:12
and if you accidentally click on the desktop or something like that, all of a sudden you have the finder menus and you're trying to do something in Final Cut Pro and it's not working and you're,
00:36:23
oh, it's not the active window.
00:36:25
So that can drive me a bit nuts.
00:36:28
Yeah.
00:36:29
I've been there as well.
00:36:31
With my home stuff, I bounce around so much between different systems like before we started renting a Minecraft server.
00:36:37
I had one of my old laptops set up with Ubuntu running the Minecraft server there.
00:36:44
So menus up, down, left, right, I can manage.
00:36:50
Do you remap your control to you then?
00:36:52
That's my question.
00:36:53
Yeah.
00:36:54
No.
00:36:55
No, I never bothered remapping the control key.
00:36:57
Yeah.
00:36:58
I use one keyboard for Windows and Mac and I don't remap anything either.
00:37:03
It just becomes, you know, I have a magic mouse and I set it up so I can right and left a click so that at least works.
00:37:15
All right.
00:37:16
Our last topic here, I know I think I said the last topic was the last topic, but ha, surprise, bonus topic, streaming, streaming services.
00:37:25
Everybody's talking about streaming services.
00:37:27
Streaming services are ascendant.
00:37:29
No one tries to pretend that cable can survive forever anymore out of the panel here.
00:37:35
How many of you have one streaming service?
00:37:39
I'm assuming that's going to be all the hands up, but oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, two streaming services, two, oh, depends on how you count it.
00:37:48
So what does that mean?
00:37:49
Which, which two?
00:37:50
I split an apartment with my middle sister in her husband.
00:37:53
So like I've got Amazon Prime and they've got Netflix and so, you know, it's that kind of thing.
00:38:02
But that's it.
00:38:03
When we get to three year out, no, I think my brother in law still has crunchy roll.
00:38:09
I'm not sure.
00:38:11
Okay.
00:38:12
Well, let's go to three.
00:38:13
Anybody with three, yeah, four, four, we've lost Mark now with four, five, five, I feel like I'm at a wedding.
00:38:22
Who came the farthest?
00:38:23
200 miles?
00:38:24
We lost Andrew.
00:38:26
Six, six, we've got, we've got Gary Todd and Howard was six, seven, seven.
00:38:32
We lost Todd.
00:38:33
Oh, we lost.
00:38:34
Okay.
00:38:35
Yeah.
00:38:36
There's a lot of streaming services out there.
00:38:39
Which ones are must keeps like which, which ones are you like, I might have to cut down from my six, you know, or even two or three.
00:38:50
But I can't lose this.
00:38:52
Is there one that you want to stick up with Todd?
00:38:54
Do you have one?
00:38:55
The, the one that has the most stuff you bought in it, right?
00:38:58
Like for me, it's Amazon.
00:38:59
I can't give it up because so much stuff is already there.
00:39:03
But you could lose prime video and still have access to the things you bought, right?
00:39:08
Yeah.
00:39:09
It's tough though.
00:39:10
Right?
00:39:11
It's yeah.
00:39:12
Come around.
00:39:13
Yes.
00:39:14
No.
00:39:15
I think Amazon does a good enough job.
00:39:16
There's enough stuff I'm interested in all the time.
00:39:18
I'm like, I think I'm not have prime video.
00:39:21
I mean, I have it because I'm a prime subscriber.
00:39:24
Right.
00:39:25
Yeah.
00:39:26
I think everybody, but I mostly do everything to plaques.
00:39:30
Some of it comes from Amazon video, but yeah.
00:39:37
Andrew, what about you?
00:39:38
Yeah.
00:39:39
What's your, what's your prime?
00:39:40
Not prime video.
00:39:41
What's the one you like the most?
00:39:43
Well, I've had, I've had two constant, you know, for the longest time.
00:39:47
I mean, the prime, it's almost like I have it for the shipping.
00:39:50
So that's why I'm like, yeah, you know, just have it.
00:39:52
Yeah.
00:39:53
But Netflix, I've had just forever, but I'd say, you know, I mean, that one's kind of drop down to that with ads tier by itself, and I'm like, that's good enough because I, it's so occasional.
00:40:04
But Disney Plus is the one I've, I keep, you know, keeping as the one without ads and all that, because mainly I'm a big Star Wars fan,
00:40:15
Marvel's fan and did you have a, I'm the video.
00:40:19
I have a Star Wars shirt.
00:40:20
Star Wars, that's my granddaddy.
00:40:22
So, yeah, you know, I enjoy the, you know, they keep coming out with content enough that, you know, I keep it, you know, like there's a new one, not too far,
00:40:32
you know.
00:40:33
So I enjoy that one.
00:40:36
I have like, you know, when it comes to like Paramount Plus and Max, those are like, I'll get for a few months to watch a show that I like, and then I'll let go.
00:40:44
Or I'll wait for, you know, special, and, you know, but those, so those come and go, but, you know, Disney Plus and Netflix I've had, you know, constantly, I guess.
00:40:54
Does anyone here not have Netflix?
00:40:57
I know, I don't mark you have it sort of at a cohabitation arrangement, but anyone else just not.
00:41:03
Yeah.
00:41:04
No, it's, I think everybody, everybody keeps Netflix around.
00:41:07
I think Andrew, your, your description is perfect.
00:41:09
Like, yeah, I'll just go to the bottom tier because I'll use it occasionally.
00:41:13
Like, they hold on for dear life that way by just having things.
00:41:16
There's a huge, it's not necessarily the exact thing you want to watch, but Netflix is great for just sort of like, you know, I'm kind of tired,
00:41:26
you know, let's eat some pizza and watch an old episode of the show that I already know I like.
00:41:33
Yeah.
00:41:34
Or something comes up and you're like, oh, I heard about that thing.
00:41:38
Yeah, I'll try it.
00:41:39
I have Netflix after all.
00:41:41
Let's, let's watch red, red and letter or notice or whatever it says.
00:41:46
How are, what about you?
00:41:47
What's your must have?
00:41:49
I start for me to answer this because between my wife and kids and sharing all these different services every time I think about saying, well, what about this one?
00:41:58
I was like, well, I'm watching the great British Bake Off.
00:42:00
How can we not have Netflix?
00:42:03
My personal favorite, it's the one that has the least amount of content, but I just, it's so good.
00:42:08
Apple TV plus.
00:42:09
Oh, okay.
00:42:10
And it's just the shows that are on it are just really, really good.
00:42:14
So I just, I keep looking at that one saying, oh, that would be the one that has the fewest or the least amount of content, but it's just, it's so good.
00:42:22
I just, it's people keep recommending.
00:42:25
So, um, um, season of silo, I am right there with you, my friend.
00:42:31
I'm locked in on that show right now.
00:42:33
It's really good.
00:42:35
It's really good.
00:42:36
You know, I, I, I agree and there have been over the last, I don't know, six months or so, um, so many, uh, you know, reports of Apple being like,
00:42:49
all right, we're, we're, you know, we're bleeding money, we're spending way too much money on these, on these series and nobody's watching them.
00:43:00
People are watching them, not as much as anybody is watching something on Netflix or even Crunchyroll to be fair, but, uh, Apple TV plus has, has some good stuff.
00:43:10
Yeah, I feel like those reports just kind of missed the fact that all of these companies went through these spend a lot of money at the beginning, then reign in the cost once you know what works.
00:43:19
And they, Apple's no exception, they, they've got plenty of money to spend, but that doesn't mean they're going to waste it.
00:43:24
So I feel like, I feel like that's part of it.
00:43:27
Gary, did we get your, your must have, um, well, uh, we've got, uh, Hulu and Disney plus on a, uh, uh, a bundle that,
00:43:37
uh, I'm, I'm now using, I got tired of paying $200 a month to my cable company for, uh, uh, 500 gig up and,
00:43:48
uh, like 20 down, uh, internet.
00:43:52
So I'm paying 55 a month to Verizon right now for about, uh, a little under 400 down and maybe 10 up, but it's working,
00:44:02
as you can see, um, but that, that cut our, uh, I mean, we're retired.
00:44:09
So fixed income.
00:44:11
So, yeah, we've, we've got the bundle with Disney plus and Netflix, uh, with commercials and we're just living with that, um, we can't really get rid of HBO.
00:44:22
There's too much on HBO.
00:44:23
We want to watch, uh, I'm trying to get caught up with all the Star Trek stuff.
00:44:29
I haven't watched on Paramount Plus so I can cancel that and maybe take a break for a while and then maybe subscribe to, uh, uh, uh, Peacock, because there's some things I want to watch on there.
00:44:42
Mm-hmm.
00:44:43
But one of my favorites right now is Pluto, which is free, yeah, with commercials.
00:44:48
But they, they have an MST3K channel.
00:44:50
Yeah, it just rolls it.
00:44:52
Still like watching MST3K, you can just turn it on and watch MST3K as long as you want.
00:44:57
Yeah.
00:44:58
For free.
00:44:59
Uh, anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody of sports fan amongst us or we, yeah, Howard?
00:45:05
baseball.
00:45:06
Just baseball.
00:45:07
Yeah.
00:45:08
How do you get your baseball?
00:45:09
They're just dodgers.
00:45:10
Huh?
00:45:11
How do you get your Dodgers games?
00:45:13
Uh, actually given, uh, that spectrum doesn't know how to, how to negotiate a contract, um, during the season,
00:45:23
I don't get most, so you're just, you're not subscribed.
00:45:26
Direct TV stream would be the other way to get spectrum sports and ad for the Dodgers.
00:45:30
But, but no, we, we use, uh, uh, YouTube TV for what we would normally lose to rest stream.
00:45:36
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:37
We are, we are 80 miles away from Mount Wilson and on the wrong side of a hill.
00:45:41
So, um, since we're not using cable TV anymore, uh, we're, we're using YouTube TV to get the channels we would normally get through cable.
00:45:51
Howard, what about you?
00:45:52
Where do you get your sports?
00:45:53
So for baseball, it's, uh, MLB, which is part of, uh, I've season tickets to the Phillies.
00:45:59
And so MLB comes with that, which is wonderful, so I can watch whatever baseball.
00:46:04
But also just the, uh, on YouTube, the 10 minute summaries are amazing, because, you know, not everything I want to watch for two and a hours and 39 minutes on average or whatever,
00:46:17
whatever the current average is.
00:46:18
Um, so it's nice to get that 10 minute, uh, wrap up for other, other teams and stuff like that.
00:46:24
But yeah, MLB plus, uh, YouTube.
00:46:26
Yeah.
00:46:27
All right.
00:46:28
Todd, what about you?
00:46:30
Unfortunately, down, uh, in Florida, I'm a Patriots fan because that was what, uh, where I started up and you can't really do much other than pay for a service.
00:46:40
So I pay for NFL and I also pay for MLB because I want to watch whatever game I want to watch without having to think about it.
00:46:48
Um, unfortunately, it doesn't get me my local games, but, yeah, so someday they'll figure that out and I won't have to use, uh, weird websites to watch.
00:46:57
Do you do NFL Sunday ticket through YouTube or the NFL mobile one?
00:47:01
The mobile one.
00:47:02
Yeah.
00:47:03
Yeah.
00:47:04
Okay.
00:47:05
I thought that's maybe what you meant.
00:47:06
All right.
00:47:07
Any other sports before we, uh, before we wrap up here, what you don't want to talk about sports for like another hour?
00:47:13
No, no, I'm just saying if there was anybody else that needed to weigh in, I didn't want to just kind of, uh, I just kind of wanted to apologize to Sarah for being a Dodgers fan since about 1958.
00:47:23
It's all right.
00:47:28
Scary.
00:47:29
I forgive you.
00:47:30
Congrats.
00:47:31
So you moved to LA when I turned nine.
00:47:32
I mean, what, what are you going to do?
00:47:33
Yeah.
00:47:34
I always say, I'm a Giants fan by birth.
00:47:36
I have to hate the Dodgers.
00:47:38
Yes.
00:47:39
Kind of rooted for them and the world.
00:47:41
Okay.
00:47:42
Don't tell anybody.
00:47:43
Yeah.
00:47:44
It was, um, yeah.
00:47:45
I will root for any team playing the Astros.
00:47:47
Yeah.
00:47:48
It's, uh, you know, sports, sports, you know, you, you do what you do.
00:47:53
Well, we thank all of you for being with us.
00:47:56
This has been really fun.
00:47:57
Yes, it has.
00:47:58
Thank you.
00:47:59
I just, I feel like I know you all more than I had before.
00:48:03
Um, I'm going to go clockwise again for anybody, um, who's, you know, looking at our, our stream, which nobody is, but Andrew was starting with you.
00:48:12
Where can they find where, where, where you are online?
00:48:15
What you do?
00:48:16
Yeah.
00:48:17
I mean, I'm on LinkedIn somewhere, but, uh, I don't update it.
00:48:20
Like, I updated it when I switched jobs, so, um, you know, I'm, I'm more of a, yeah, social media observer than, uh, than contributor.
00:48:30
So, well, you wouldn't be the, it wouldn't be the only one, but we're really, really happy to have you and very cool sweater, by the way.
00:48:37
Thank you.
00:48:38
No, thank you.
00:48:39
We didn't notice.
00:48:40
Yeah.
00:48:41
That's no moon.
00:48:42
I'm here.
00:48:43
Sorry.
00:48:44
Gary Fisher.
00:48:45
Where can people find you?
00:48:46
Mostly on substack, uh, senior geek dot substack dot com, which is also, uh, my, uh, handle on blue sky and, uh, um,
00:48:57
and so those are, I mean, I have, everything but X, I, I have an account on, but, uh, if, if you're looking for me,
00:49:07
substack would be the place to find me.
00:49:10
Well, very cool.
00:49:11
I'm, I'm up to six paid.
00:49:14
Yeah.
00:49:15
Very good.
00:49:16
Um, so I am a professional writer now.
00:49:19
Fantastic.
00:49:20
Oh, Tom.
00:49:21
Well, Tom, I thought you might recognize this t-shirt.
00:49:23
Ah, an FSL t-shirt.
00:49:25
That's very cool.
00:49:26
Gallifrey time, Lord.
00:49:27
It's love it.
00:49:28
Howard, your mesh, uh, you're very online.
00:49:32
So where can we find your work?
00:49:34
You can go to howardyermish.com and download a copy of the piano inside my brain.
00:49:39
Listen to it right there.
00:49:40
It is also available through all major streaming services or throw $5 at the, uh, at the author for, uh, bandcamp, uh, purchase, if you'd like, um, but yeah, howardyermish.com is the place to go to listen.
00:49:53
And deeds.
00:49:54
Uh, very cool.
00:49:56
Todd Belcher.
00:49:57
Where can we find what you are up to?
00:49:59
Well, I am Todd B on Blue Sky though.
00:50:02
I'm not there so much.
00:50:04
So look for me at Todd B dot US, which will take you to my LinkedIn, where I am all of the time.
00:50:09
Unfortunately, it's my, it's my social network of choice.
00:50:13
That's really as these days.
00:50:15
Twitter died, right, and it's just, uh, it's something else now.
00:50:18
So, yeah, a lot of people are looking for their next place.
00:50:23
That is definitely a thing that's, that's going on for sure.
00:50:27
What about Mark Bustle, Jr., which many of you may know as a non-Junior, it's so nice to see you, um, you know, in the flesh.
00:50:36
Uh, but where can we find you when you're not hanging out with us and chat?
00:50:41
Mostly, I'll direct you over to a non-Junior dot com that's got links to my ex.
00:50:47
It still says Twitter ex and Instagram accounts, because I can't always get a non-Junior.
00:50:55
Sometimes I got to do a non-Junior live.
00:50:57
It's also got my YouTube and Twitch channels, which hopefully will be resuming after my unexpected cancer interruption.
00:51:10
Uh, I hope to get those going back up in January.
00:51:10
And uh, once I get my podcast going, that'll be up there too.
00:51:14
And I'll get the backlog of posts up together as well.
00:51:17
Well, I know I speak for all of us when I say we hope you have a swift recovery and.
00:51:23
I am very near the end of that.
00:51:25
This, this upcoming Valentine's Day will be two years post-transplant.
00:51:30
I will be off the last of my medications and receive the last of the missing, uh, uh, vaccinating shots because with bone marrow transplant,
00:51:42
it's like you have a whole new immune system again.
00:51:44
So I get to get all those shots all over again.
00:51:48
You're going to be bionic.
00:51:49
It's all over.
00:51:50
Yeah.
00:51:51
I got bionic eyes.
00:51:52
Yeah.
00:51:53
Yeah.
00:51:54
I can check out Gary's bionic.
00:51:55
Well, I just got the cataract surgery.
00:51:57
Yeah, fantastic.
00:52:00
Well, congrats on that.
00:52:01
And before we go, uh, I asked Udo to create 30 seconds of music as a tribute for all of you.
00:52:12
And it has put out together for the holidays.
00:52:17
So, uh, let's hear it for once.
00:52:43
That's that's 30 seconds, that's all you get.
00:52:54
So pop that a little, a little pop-ish, but yeah, yeah, little, little, it was, it classified it as indie pop.
00:53:03
So what, you know, sure, I think it's on the verge of a banger.
00:53:07
I liked it.
00:53:08
On the verge.
00:53:09
Like, it just needs your touch, Howard.
00:53:11
Exactly.
00:53:12
We're almost there.
00:53:13
You know, like, our eras tour is right around the corner right there.
00:53:17
Uh, I asked Gemini to create some lyrics for a video of my brother and I flying kites when I was five and he was three.
00:53:25
And then I deleted half of them.
00:53:27
And then I put them into Udo and created a song.
00:53:30
And it's not that bad, but that's not that bad.
00:53:34
It's not great.
00:53:35
That is, that is the one shot description of every Udo song out there.
00:53:40
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00:53:56
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00:53:58
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00:53:59
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00:54:00
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