Ben and Ram sit down with graphic designer and musician Piper Ferrari about juggling a band and a design job at the same time, worrying about making the wrong choices early on, the point of record labels, touring, finding a niche, making art for your local music scene, living in Las Vegas, making connections, doing work you don’t wanna do, working for yourself, working for others, stage dives gone wrong, productivity vs. expression, when is a piece of art finished, bad social media advice, instagram extortion, and every single thing in between!

As always, our theme music is brought to you by the great @computrnerd.

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