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What happens when a company puts people over policy—and actually means it? 🎙️
In this episode, Sha Nacino sits down with Vanson So, People & Culture Leader at Canva, to explore the deeper questions behind building high-performing teams, creating safe workplaces, and leading with kindness.

Vanson shares candid insights on:

✨ Why kindness is a strategic advantage in leadership and organizational culture
 ✨ How “people over policy” looks in real life—even in a global company like Canva
 ✨ Building psychological safety so employees feel seen, valued, and empowered
 ✨ How leaders can read subtle cues and make space for quieter voices
 ✨ The real reason leadership can feel lonely—and what to do about it
 ✨ His biggest leadership lesson: how not advocating for himself changed the way he leads
 ✨ Why great leaders don’t fear people who are better than them

If you’re a leader, HR practitioner, founder, or aspiring changemaker who wants to lead with clarity, compassion, and courage, this conversation will reshape the way you think about teams—and about yourself.

 00:00 – Introduction
 00:21 – The Leader Who Shaped Vanson
 01:55 – Corporate vs. Canva Leadership
 03:28 – People Over Policy
 04:31 – HR Lessons from the Pandemic
 06:17 – Unlimited Leaves & Trust
 08:30 – Values & Culture in Action
 08:45 – What Vanson Is Most Proud Of
 10:30 – How Canva Measures Impact
 12:12 – Maintaining Culture While Scaling
 14:22 – Canva Culture Behind the Scenes
 16:00 – Why He Stays at Canva
 16:59 – Message to His 25-Year-Old Self
 18:37 – A Moment He Felt “Seen”
 22:15 – Learning to Read Subtle Cues
 24:46 – Becoming a Leader for the First Time
 26:53 – Why Leaders Shouldn’t Fear Talent
 28:48 – The Biggest Leadership Challenge
 31:46 – His Toughest Feedback
 34:22 – Designing Psychological Safety
 39:53 – Encouraging Openness & Candor
 40:07 – Fatherhood, Gaming & Leadership
 42:55 – Fast & Fearless Round
 43:03 – Making People Feel Seen
 45:26 – One Message for Leaders
 46:50 – What Leaders Don’t Admit Enough
 50:14 – The Power of Community
 51:06 – Why He Said Yes to the Podcast
 52:27 – Possibility Thinking
 54:04 – Sha Answers Vanson’s Question
 56:08 – Reflection & Growth 

Connect with Vanson So:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alvansonso/

Connect with Sha Nacino:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sha-nacino/

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Thank you for listening!

About the speaker: 

Sha Nacino is a global keynote speaker on human connection and compassionate leadership. She was named one of the World’s Top 30 Motivational Speakers by Global Gurus, alongside Simon Sinek and Gary Vaynerchuk—the only Asian on the list. A 2-time TEDx speaker and former adjunct faculty at the Asian Institute of Management, Sha has spoken across Asia, North America, Europe, and Australia. She is the author of 16 books, including her latest, SEEN: Good Leaders Have Vision. Great Leaders See., and host of the Fearless Possibilities podcast. Her work has been recognized the the United Nations Global Entrepreneur Council and World Humanitarian Drive. 

Website and video: https://www.shanacino.com

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