After nearly two years away from the Stoic world, author and researcher Kai Whiting returns to share—candidly—what happened: sudden metabolic illness, becoming a father, career upheaval, a public rift, and rebuilding meaning from first principles. We talk attachment, grief, diet experiments, masculinity, work identity, and how to live the virtues when theory isn’t enough.

In this episode:

• Breaking the silence: why Kai disappeared (02:00 )
• Severe health spiral, hospitalizations, and discovering diabetes (03:30 )
• Losing the bodybuilding identity—and the grief that follows (12:35 )
• Food, mood, and mitochondria: one person’s n=1 (18:30 ) (not medical advice)
• Stoicism vs. “pure abstraction”: why bodies and sports matter (24:30 )
• On Peterson, bricklaying, and zooming out to purpose (53:20 )
• Leaving academia, starting over in sales, and serving the beehive (49:00 , 54:40 )
• Rebuilding a professional identity without losing your soul (1:04:50 )

Key ideas & takeaways

• Grief is Stoic: when you lose an identity (athlete, academic, whatever), you grieve first—then choose your next courageous action.
• Meet yourself where you are: programs (training or life) must fit your current capacity, not your past PRs or future fantasies.
• Bodies matter: movement can be a pressure-release valve while the “heat source” (deeper causes) is addressed.
• Serve the beehive: tie daily tasks to a larger vision; energy savings at a school becomes trees planted and kids learning.
• Change your mind in public: integrity > consistency; update beliefs when evidence (or life) demands it.

Connect

• Guest: Kai Whiting — best reached via LinkedIn for sustainability/energy efficiency conversations.
• Host: Brandon Tumblin — Strong Stoic Podcast, Substack, and socials.

Disclaimer: This episode includes one person’s health and nutrition experiences and is not medical advice.