In this deeply moving episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with counselor and pastor Dave Drummond for a raw conversation about overcoming childhood trauma and finding authentic purpose. Dave shares his journey from a broken home marked by abuse to becoming a father, minister, and healer who has literally died and come back to serve others.

From their unlikely first meeting when Justin was 14 (involving a Larry Norman album and a youth rally poster), to Dave's massive heart attack that left him dead for 45 minutes, this conversation explores the cost of serving others and the power of authentic living. Dave opens up about growing up without a father figure, finding safety in an empty church as a child, and how his own wounds became the source of his calling to "comfort others with the comfort he received."

Whether you're struggling with your own past, questioning your purpose as a father, or simply trying to live authentically in a world full of expectations, Dave's story offers hope and practical wisdom. He discusses his counseling practice, the difference between happiness and contentment, and why he believes our authentic selves—not our wounds or unrealistic dreams—are our greatest gifts to the world.

This isn't just another feel-good story—it's an honest look at what it means to be whole enough to serve others while staying true to who you really are.

Note: This episode contains discussions of childhood trauma and abuse.

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