On a park bench in the Scottish sun, community organiser Zarina Ahmad talks about her fraught experiences in environmental spaces. Unpicking tricky terms like ‘hard to reach communities’ and ‘behaviour change’, she tells Talia Randall what’s missing from many climate change movements and describes how not everyone has an equal say.

Calling each other out might feel uncomfortable but it’s a necessary part of coming together to make conversations about climate change more inclusive.

Produced, Written and Presented by Talia Randall
Researcher: Erica McKoy
Contributors: Zarina Ahmad
Production Mentor: Anna Buckley
Tech Producer: Gayl Gordon
Executive Producers: Khaliq Meer & Leanne Alie
Commissioned for BBC Sounds Audio Lab by Khaliq Meer
Artwork by: Mike Massaro