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530: I Am Beyond Recovery
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from relay this is upgrade episode 530 today show is brought to you by
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square space vitally and latter my name is Mike Hurley and I have the pleasure
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of being joined in person by Jason Snow hi Jason I'm Mike high five yeah in
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person that's right that's us where in the pod cabin we are we're in the pod
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cabin Stephen Hackett has been removed by Stephen yeah and we taken all of
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these stuff and we're using it to record our podcast it's true but I have a
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snow talk question for you it comes from Benjamin who wants to know I've
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recently found myself suddenly sluggish in the morning instead of
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energized and I wonder if tea may help me what advice do you have for getting
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into tea well there's a lot but what I would say is you don't have to be there
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there's a deep hole you can go down you don't have to go down that deep hole you
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can start it simple I like it with breakfast tea which has a lot of caffeine
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and I think there's a green tea that has caffeine in it too here's the
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challenge though it's like the like Homer Simpson said about alcohol it's the
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the cause of in solution to all of life's problems um caffeine is like that
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too yes so the danger is if you have caffeine too much caffeine especially late in
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the day you may find yourself sluggish in the morning instead of energized because
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you will have slept poorly so that keep that in mind but I'd say I started
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drinking tea more regularly because I talked to a friend who actually said oh
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yeah I get up at six in the morning and I go for a bike ride or a run and I
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said how do you do that and you said basically caffeine so it helps it does so
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what I would say is to get into tea the simplest thing maybe is go to your local
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supermarket and first off don't if you're an American don't buy Lipton don't do
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it but there are lots of brands that will have an English breakfast tea
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twinings is a good one there are some others out there we got to get get a box of
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tea bags and then you boil water you put the tea bag in to the boiling
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water in your cup or you put your tea bag into the cup and then put the boiling
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water into the cup don't like put the tea bag into where you boil the water
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anyway wait three or four minutes take the tea bag out this is important
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because it'll get all bitter and bad if you leave it in there don't I see TV shows
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where people are like drinking tea and the bag is still in there I'm like what
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what are you doing maybe they just can't wait or it's an herbal tea and then it's
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okay anyway try it and then you can try with milk you can try with sugar try
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with honey you can try it plain just black and see if you like it I mean that's
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really that's really the answer and see if the caffeine has an effect on you but
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you know I I have a tea robot and loose tea and all these other things it's like
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you don't have to I'm a I'm not a complicated I don't want to build up walls
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here it's really easy get a nice English breakfast tea in bags at the store if
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you're in the UK which you probably aren't if you're asking about tea
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PG tips is fine too you could get that get get a builder's tea it doesn't
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matter but in America just yeah look for something that says English breakfast on
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it don't get Earl Grey Earl Grey is not the same as English breakfast some
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people like Earl Grey I love Earl Grey I don't love it I prefer not having the
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Earl Grey smell in there but whatever start start it simple so that's my
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answer Benjamin I recommend coffee if you would like to send in a question for a
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future episode of the show you didn't ask about I know he didn't but I'm just
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saying what I think you can go to upgradefeedback.com and send us a snow
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talk question now we're in the pod cabin because we're here in Memphis because two
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days ago we were a part of the podcast on both of us along with Casey Liss and
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Kathy Campbell and of course Steven Haggett and we raised over I think $130,000
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during the podcast on this year which is a new record so thank you so much to
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everybody that tuned in it was an incredible 12 hours we had a ton of fun it was
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my favorite podcast on that we've done so far wonderful group of people wonderful
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games incredible work by everyone and thank you all for watching it's on our
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YouTube channel the relay YouTube channel I've put a link in the show notes if
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you want to catch up on it as a lot of good fun there but we are doing all of this
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because September is childhood cancer awareness month so for the sixth
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consecutive year we have united the whole relay community to support
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sent to children's research hospital because they have a simple mission which is
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to make sure that no child loses their life to cancer no matter where they live
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and they need our help to drive the mission forward the podcast was a great
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success of course but there is still time left in September and we want you all
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to donate because of the incredible work that St. Jude does in making sure that
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the children that are receiving treatment on the hospital try in the hospital
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try and live as normal life as they can like for example Jason did you know
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that St. Jude has a school it spans pre-school through 12th grade for
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patients who will be at St. Jude for output of six weeks you know I did not know
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that I know I have learned a lot over the years but I think I missed the fact
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that they have their own school this this stuff that are a part of the St. Jude
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School includes teachers trained in English language learner instruction
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visual impairment instructions and services a librarian a STEM coordinator and
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there are even reading dogs who visit to read with the kids so all of this really
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helps the children try and live as normal life as they can which is a big thing
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that I try and do this is in the the idea of providing food providing somewhere for
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the families to be and to be together to try and make sure these kids have the
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best recovery possible yeah you may think oh wait a second I'm going to the
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hospital and I also have to go to school yeah I know but there is the whole I've
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been through my treatment and now I have to go back home and after this is a very
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difficult thing suddenly I'm also behind in school yeah and get left behind like
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you don't want them you don't want them our community has shown so much generosity
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over the last six years in fact as we're recording this today we're recording a
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little bit early we've actually passed the most money that we have erased in
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a campaign how about that and we still record breaking year and over and it's not
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over and it's not over yet please go to St. Jude.org/relay you can make a
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donation today there are some incredible rewards that you can redeem if you
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do so like if you really enjoyed the artwork that we were using during the
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podcast with on you can have some of that for yourself in the form of stickers or
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wallpapers if you sign up to fundraise and you can get coins and dust mats you can
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find out about all of this at St. Jude.org/relay where you will also see some
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information about employee matching as well so it's STSTJUDE.org/relay to donate or
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create your campaign today I thought for a second that UK English that started
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pronouncing other strange other letters differently like you say Z I say Z you say
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T I say TAY. It makes sense yeah it's Italian now. TAYLA came changed everything I
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don't want to tell you it's interesting yeah I some follow-up for you Jason
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Snow oh thank goodness micro I wanted you to actually mention the issue that you
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had with the sports app that you were telling me about yeah apple sports I had
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several people say why are you even using apple sports it's like it's because
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it's from Apple and because Eddie Q told me to so I was looking at some football
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games and realized that there's a bug where at least sometimes in some games it
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leaves off the last score so there was a I believe Stanford beat Syracuse on
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Friday night but with a field goal at the end of the game and when I looked at
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the score in Apple's sports app it had the score as final as a tie which it
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college football does not allow ties I don't know if you know this about
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Americans but we we detest ties yeah in America you're a winner or a loser that's
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right yeah that's right yeah there's no there's no in between no we all did pretty
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fine it's you're a winner or a loser so college football especially it's
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impossible to tie so that didn't make any sense and then I also noticed for
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several other games that if I looked at the scoring drives list for football and
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football support is new in Apple sports it would leave off the most recent
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scoring drive or the last one in the game so clearly there are some real bugs
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there so it's great that you want to know the score that said I used it yesterday
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for for a few college football games including my beloved Cal bears who lost
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tragically to Florida states sorry played well enough to win but but they didn't
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and that worked fine and that timing was fine and as we sat here as we sat here I
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I used a feature of watch OS which is that it picks up the live activities from my
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phone and a feature of iOS which is that sports app now does live activities
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directly instead of through the TV app which is always a bad idea and I actually
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got a buzz on my watch telling me that Arsenal scored a goal while we were
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sitting here so now it's thank you yes it's this this just in at some point
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during Sunday's match Arsenal led to one breaking yes it was and then you all
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know how that turned out or don't care anyway so I guess what I'm saying is the
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sports app has some things that are good about it needs more work and and the only
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thing about it that troubles me is although it definitely feels like it's a
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passion project from Eddie Q and his team the fact is it's an Apple branded app
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from the platform owner and I think it needs to be held to a higher standard they
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need to put more effort into it bottom line yep Apple Intelligence is now in
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public beta which you know it gets to make sense they needed to do that if they
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were so this is the idea I think you I heard I've heard somebody say to you oh
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there's no half intelligence and you made the point of like well technically
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there is that's that's the thing is it's the bare minimum yeah this is the
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bare minimum which is the day that their phones shipped that are claimed to be
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built from the ground up for Apple Intelligence which is not really true but I
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mean it's compatible with Apple Intelligence or they made sure that Apple
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Intelligence fit within the specs of these phones whatever it is I do I do think
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they made some some changes I think they probably had to yeah to really
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add the ram to the to the 16s to make sure that they could do it on the day they
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shipped you could be as a regular person you could opt into the public beta of
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18 one and run Apple Intelligence now they're like 80,000 asterisks there right
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because there's the fact that it's not really Apple Intelligence it's wave one of
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Apple Intelligence and talk about this more maybe next week Mark Irman has
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detailed a little bit more about you know what happens in 181 and what's in 182
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and what's in 183 that comes out in January and what's in 184 and what's in 185
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and like Apple Intelligence in in 181 is not all of it it's a little tiny
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fraction of it it's essentially notification grouping and writing tools and
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summaries in mail yeah there's not a lot more than that and messages to type to
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Siri clean up I mean there's type to Siri and not in 18 oh yeah because old
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Siri is still in 18 oh yeah the reason I know this is that is that turns out that I
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tap a lot at the bottom of my iPad screen and it's kicking in type to Siri I don't
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want to I might actually turn that off because I've had the same thing when on my
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iPad or I keep hitting it and I reckon it'll be worse on my iPhone and realistically
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for me currently that is not useful because it is slower and I mean at the
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moment Siri is no better which I still maintain as a mistake from Apple to change
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the Siri UI in 181 because Siri is no better it is no better like I tried a bunch of
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things and it is as inconsistent it like oh yes can it remember the previous
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question sometimes or maybe all the time but other times it just decides to do
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something else completely so but anyway yeah I don't know if I'm gonna keep the
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type to Siri and maybe again like by 19 it might actually be useful to ask
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it questions like that like you know the way in which I might ask ChatGPT a
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question right that might be cool to be able to do that from anywhere on my phone
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but I don't even know what the 181 integration is like yet and like if I ask that
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question do I have to tap more prompts and if I just open the ChatGPT app
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you know these are the things we don't know yet because they haven't enabled
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that but yeah you can now get at least get some features in the public right and
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and I think everybody anticipates that will be fairly soon in the next couple
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weeks that that will ship to everybody they said October yes Apple have said
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next month yeah but they're I think Herman mentioned that it's probably sooner
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rather than later I would expect so but it's it's I think technically making it a
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public beta available now especially since when 181 ships they're still
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going to call it beta yeah this is the beta of the beta yeah that's right it's
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uh there there's betas within betas and betas within beta and day day Apple have
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confirmed to take crunch that they are looking to support German Italian
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Korean and Portuguese for Apple intelligence in 2025 and they also stay to
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take crunch that they are working with China and the EU on bringing these
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features that is regional and all the best I mean let's go together right is
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there's some Italian speaking colony out there somewhere that's what I thought
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right like Italian and German I mean I'm sure that these languages are spoken of
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places but it's not like Portuguese for example right where that has wide like
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very wide speaking people speak Portuguese throughout especially Brazil
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that's a large market that speaks Portuguese but German and Italian I don't think
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that they have like a month that they don't have like Portuguese where there are
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more people that speak Portuguese outside of Portugal right then in Portugal
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that's not happening for German or in time exactly so and again this is I think
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some people just see this as like oh Apple just does it doesn't want a work of
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Europe but that doesn't make any logical sense for them to be so headstrong
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and Apple intelligence and then just be like but whatever it's an important
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feature of these products right they they want Apple intelligence to come in
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fact if we look at that chat GPT announcement and the idea that it is going to be
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open to other partners that may be a little clue that they want to that they
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know they need to build that stuff so that they're allowed in the EU right that
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they don't run a foul of the EU saying you're you're only preferring your own
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stuff and that maybe that's their way to fight that in which case it's not
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ready yet and so they're just yeah I think the idea that it's a fatalistic like
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the EU is never going to have Apple intelligence that's that's wrong clearly
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they're going to and this is Apple moving down that route because it doesn't
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make any sense otherwise to have German and Italian and I wanted to give a public
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service announcement Bellatro is coming to Apple arcade this week is it a
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service or is world productivity about to take about to go down big time
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Bellatro is in the running for my game of the year right now it's like maybe
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first or second currently I've been playing it I'd played hours and hours of it
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on my steam deck knowing that it would it was obvious that it would come to
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mobile one day because it's so perfect for that on my steam deck I play with touch
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touch screen controls but interestingly so this is there were a lot of
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questions asked for years about our Apple actually doing anything with our
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arcade and I think this is an example of there are still people are Apple that
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understand what to do with mobile gaming because they're doing something
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different here that I've not seen them do before Bellatro will be a paid game on
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the app store at the same time that Bellatro plus is available in AppLockade
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that I've done like versions of these kinds of things over time but this is
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like a on the day I actually think paid version is launching a couple of days
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later but Apple understand the importance of of getting this game this game is
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going to be like it's already big it is going to explode and if you're an
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Apple arcade subscriber you unlock everything without paying because you're a
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subscriber and it's it's a $10 game to buy so like oh there you go it's is a great
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way to at least try Apple arcade because you get in for like what a $5 a month
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a week yeah play it for a couple of months but yeah this trust me this game is
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incredible it is a poker game you don't need to know how to play poker I don't know
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how to play poker the game does a great job of teaching you and it's incredibly
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well done it's fantastic trust me just go get this game you're gonna have a great
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time it's really good room around up yeah Mac rumours have discovered code that
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references quote Apple Silicon Mac mini per end five port per end giving more
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evidence to Mark Gomez room over an upcoming refresh of the Mac mini having
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five USB-C ports make sense they're on the back two on the front we think I think
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that that seems about right sounds sounds likely I think this seems going to be a
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little Mac studio I think that's what the building you I got to be honest I am
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oh there's a little aside here I'm interested in this Mac mini I'm very interested
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in it like you I'm not I'm coming around to the idea that I'm not sure I
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actually need a Mac chip and that the pro chip might be fine for me I think I
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need more than the base m4 but an m4 pro might be enough that I don't need to hold
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out for an m4 max max studio and the other thing that makes me think maybe I'll
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be interested in this is when I left home last week I left my Mac in in complete
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failure DFU mode the mode you know the mode where the the light on the front of
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the Mac blinks SOS and Morse code that was the mode that I was in do you know I my
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Mac got in a state where when I tried to try to I don't know what it was doing
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what it was taken it when I tried to apply a software update to get on the new
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version the new beta it said I can't personalize this for you and I looked
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this up and it seems like this is a very bad thing because it's basically like
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trying to compare the cryptographic signature and failing and saying I can't do
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this and and it sounds like a reset was about all I could do complicated by the
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fact that I was running a beta which means I couldn't just like reboot and say
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install this again because I was on a beta version and it was preceded by a
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series of very strange things where I had the thing I don't know if you've ever
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had this where when you reboot it says some system extensions got updated and
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you need to allow them and then I'll restart and then it'll be okay and the
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system extensions were from Apple and I get allowed and rebooted and then it
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just comes up again and says some system extensions need to be allowed and you
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need to reboot and you can say forget it but the next time you reboot as you
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know I reboot every day I turn off my computer and started every day it once
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again says hey could you allow this and reboot sounds like you're using a
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hackintosh it is really similar how do I know that that extensions really from
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Apple I can't personalize this update so then I'm stuck right because I thought
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I could do an update and that might shake out this extension permission
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problem but I can't do an update ever apparently because of this and I try to
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all sorts of different pathways and in the end it seemed like putting it in
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restore mode and to be clear this is the mode where you have to put it
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connected to another Mac via USB-C like it's an iPhone that you're restoring oh
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wow you know I haven't had that I haven't done it before because this is this is an
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Apple Silicon thing yes like I have not yeah has to do anything because it's it's an
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iPad now basically because you used to just does it not have the recovery
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position it does and doesn't work beyond recovery
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so anyway I left it where my where where my laptop was attached to it as it's
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blinking SOS and it claimed that it was installing a reach a restore image on
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it however the the the bar had gone like 10% of the way and then just stayed
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there for hours and you you're end up in right it's that point where you're
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like is it doing something and not telling me can I give up or is it not doing
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something and and if I click cancel so what happened is I did click cancel and the
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progress bar jumped way forward and still sat there and didn't cancel so that
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was bad so I started it again I started the whole process again and I went and I
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left the state so what I'm saying is maybe I'll get a Mac mini maybe maybe
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maybe the next studio is gonna get buried in a shallow grave I don't know boy I
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have I have laptops I can just attach to my monitor and my keyboard and continue
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moving on with my life and maybe it's time maybe it's time I don't know but
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anyway I'm excited about that Mac mini Yihah I say so Emma in the discord I
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think has found a similar thing and they they've quoted it from the Apple
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support forums I was instructed by Apple support to have an Apple service
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sent to perform a quote revive procedure I you can actually do that with Apple
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configurator and you can do it yourself and I did attempt to revive it and that
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failed which meant I then needed to do a restore and yes according to Emma the
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only remaining the remaining solution this is an Apple discussion thing was a
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made logic roared replacement because there may be a corruption of the security
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firmware built into the Apple Silicon I think that's what's happened it's
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possible so if that fails I'll pursue it and we'll see what happens it kind of
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feels like that is the thing that if something goes wrong there is it's done it's
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like it you need to stop again yeah it's that is going to be so level I would
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expect it is lower than the over it's it's definitely is the question is if I
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if I can't even with a tether loaded up with the right thing what happens then
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so we'll see I'll look forward to hearing more about this but I may be living on
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a on a laptop in in the meantime and then waiting for a Mac mini perhaps we'll
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see anyway we'll leave this alone in the roundup and we go back to the roundup
00:22:53
uh makes you like a like a tumbleweed just blew through yeah okay oh we were
00:22:59
going to see like the snake all I'll talk to or something yeah they're trying to
00:23:02
remake this was the snake that I found in my boot
00:23:04
Ming Chi Quo is reporting that the Apple Watch Ultra 3 and a new SE model
00:23:08
are still in the works now expected for 2025 yeah fair enough
00:23:12
Mark Gomez reporting that the new design of the Apple Watch Series 10 was a
00:23:16
contributing factor to Apple delaying blood pressure monitoring for the
00:23:19
Apple Watch so they just couldn't do both things at once seems like it
00:23:24
it seems like maybe this is one of those scenarios where one team has one
00:23:28
thing another team has another thing and whoever was doing the blood
00:23:32
pressure couldn't get that technology small enough in time to fit
00:23:35
inside the series time so I like forget it yep for the next time
00:23:39
and and I can imagine that too right so we know we can make it smaller
00:23:43
do you know you can make this work and
00:23:47
then I'm not going with that and I feel like this was a year where they could
00:23:50
because they had other legitimately good health features this year
00:23:54
yeah so why not just put it off put it off I told you about this my phone
00:23:58
asked if I wanted to opt in to sleep out in a detection
00:24:02
which I said yes to and I don't know if it said that because I'm in America
00:24:05
because I don't believe it's been approved in the UK
00:24:08
interesting so I'll let you know in a month if it worked on that's right that's
00:24:12
the feature that takes 30 days yep and Ross Young is reporting that he expects
00:24:16
all iPhone models will feature a promotion display next year that would
00:24:20
include 17 which doesn't have it and the rumored
00:24:24
17 air or slim I think it's about time
00:24:30
yes all of these phones get a promotion just like and it would not bother me
00:24:33
and I think it would not bother them of people with the 17 just had a 90 hurts right
00:24:37
make you can still make them different but the 60 hurts to me is rough people who know
00:24:42
about Android 2 I think that that that a film across $700 and the other side is not
00:24:48
going to be at six they're there are phones that cost like $300 that money
00:24:52
has supplies yeah in the Android world so like we've we've more than passed that
00:24:56
no that point now okay well that's good news for next year I wonder if they'll have
00:25:00
colors next year like oh you can get the nice screen but the colors are just good
00:25:05
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of thanks to squarespace for the support of this show and all of every line. So we have our iPhones
00:26:56
we do we'll call this the iPhone 16 review but I'll say from my perspective this is like
00:27:05
first impression yes that's what so maybe we should just call it okay just be honest about it
00:27:09
and call it that because I'm sure you're going to write a review I'm sure I will at some point
00:27:13
and I guess we can kind of give thoughts on the entire line because for those who watch the
00:27:18
podcast of the one there was a moment where you took a very large cardboard box and started
00:27:22
just producing phones like I did Santa for all of us so you have the 16 the 16 plus the 16 pro and
00:27:30
the 16 pro max yes I have a 16 pro of my own right you talk about colors this stuff sure so I've got
00:27:38
desert titanium and I would say the way to describe this I actually in different light this phone
00:27:45
looks very very different so in some lighting in kind of like cooler lighting it kind of just looks
00:27:51
like a slightly warmer version of the natural titanium but in others I would say it's more of a
00:27:58
rose goldy kind of look so you know you can see we're looking at them right now you can see it looks
00:28:03
quite different the natural to the to the yeah the natural is a much cooler gray back but in my hotel
00:28:09
room they look basically the same so I this is I at first I was a little bit like oh that's quite pink
00:28:16
but now I've kind of gotten to it's more of like a coppery rose goldy color and I'm on board of it
00:28:21
because it's something new so I like it but I wouldn't say if I was just choosing again right now I
00:28:28
see them in person I would just go back for natural yeah I think that's a really good look this is
00:28:33
different and interesting to me I like and think I can pull off a rose gold I'm not sure everybody can
00:28:41
or would want to okay right you know because it say it's a bit I think it is of the options the
00:28:49
most garish maybe like it it's doing something different the black I saw on the apples yes me too
00:28:56
not impressed by that I was hoping for something a little bit more whatever they're not calling it
00:29:01
black right are they is it is it can tell any more let me go to the dark titanium black hole I think
00:29:07
it actually think this one is called black titanium okay well it was it was I liked it but that's
00:29:14
always going to be my default I think is the dark black darkest phone black black white natural and
00:29:19
desert oh okay yeah it was it was not you know jet black it was no I think I was expecting something
00:29:27
a little bit more fun like that you know yeah like like it was like did they clip it was jet black
00:29:33
but everybody was calling it piano black right right it's kind of like what they were going for
00:29:37
yeah and this is not that this is just a it's a very dark it's the darkest of the titanium
00:29:43
it's even darker but of course you've heard the story in it by now I'm sure the the 16s are
00:29:48
incredible yeah the ultramarine color which we have here this might be good for the for the video
00:29:54
viewers out there because we are in person today yes we are we kind of can't stop that assuming our
00:29:59
video system works that's true there's a mystery we're using what is that the GoPro pro 360 yeah
00:30:05
credible so this episode's in 360 no it's not yeah you can see the wall oh wow this ultramarine
00:30:12
is just you pandas it is this is just an excellent color and I think the apple of really nailed the
00:30:20
color infused glass that they've they've been walking on I think this looks extra special like the deep
00:30:26
color around the camera and I actually really like the two-stack camera I don't like the way that
00:30:32
cases look with this phone because it also has the weird cut out for the flash yeah which I like
00:30:40
as a look on the phone but if you are a case user I think that's not weird that kind of detracts
00:30:46
that a little bit it is also strange to look out on the phone like just like on the body of the phone
00:30:52
there's just this white circle where the flash is but I think that they've done the best they could
00:30:56
and I'm happy that apple didn't extend it to like a triangle or something oh sure no it's it's
00:31:03
it's nice the colors are beautiful and so the colors are really amazing yep you don't like the teal
00:31:10
I think the teal is fine I just it's a color that I I'm just kind of bored by it the pink and the
00:31:16
ultramarine are so good the teal is like kind of whatever if you want green yeah the teal is available
00:31:22
to you but the ultramarine is beautiful the pink is really nice and I'm not you know pink's not my
00:31:27
favorite since I have trouble seeing it I had no trouble seeing this one now yeah you can tell
00:31:31
that is not great or white that is a very pink phone and you know I like them I like them attempting
00:31:39
to take parts of it like the flash and put them flush again because shouldn't the ultimate goal
00:31:47
of iPhone design be no camera bump shouldn't that be part of the and I realize that maybe unrealistic
00:31:55
I think it's impossible maybe forever yeah but it should be the goal I think to have that bump be
00:32:02
as little as possible and as unobtrusive as possible and if you can help it along the way making
00:32:08
it smaller at least by moving some of it to the back you should do that right you should do that
00:32:14
not make a weird triangle and so they did that but yeah these are beautiful it shows you the colors
00:32:18
that Apple is capable of when it wants to do it yeah it feels like it's a good time to do it and
00:32:24
that blue is just I love it I feel like this is a year where someone with really good taste one
00:32:31
yet one the the brutal doggy dog battle yeah and was named the colors are for 2024 these these are
00:32:41
these are extra good they are extra extra good like they're undeniable in that color like if you see
00:32:48
someone using these you'd be like that's the new iPhone you know like I feel like these really really
00:32:53
stand out so I think they've done a very good job similarly a lot of cases are really good there's a
00:32:58
yellow one which is like you could see that thing in the dark I think it's pretty incredible but we
00:33:04
I think you know as is the way for us and I do think probably for the vast majority of all
00:33:10
listeners the majority of our time is spent thinking about the profiles of course the other ones we
00:33:15
use um profiles got a bit bigger screen size and physical size um what are your takeaways from
00:33:24
that so far so going from the 15 pro to the 16 pro I don't feel like it feels any different in my
00:33:31
in my hand I likewise don't really feel like I'm noticing the difference in the screen size
00:33:38
so it's a very subtle thing it's not gonna blow anybody away I like the idea that they
00:33:43
attempted to just creep out to the closer to the edges without making the phone that much bigger
00:33:50
so that's a good start we haven't talked about camera control I haven't used it a lot again this
00:33:54
is first impressions I it's funny because I saw somebody I don't even remember who it was
00:34:00
complaining about the placement of the camera control button I find that my finger goes very
00:34:06
naturally to exactly where the camera control button is and so I think that part of it is good I'm
00:34:13
unsure if okay I'm gonna mention the touch bar here whoa hello gonna mention the touch bar but don't
00:34:23
take don't read too much into it but what I will say is I'm not convinced that that UI where you double
00:34:30
squeeze and bring up a thing that you slide and then click and then go in it has a little touch
00:34:36
bar vibe to me in the sense that I get what they're going for but I'm not sure that's the right
00:34:41
here's my problem right so yeah we'll come back I want to come back to talking about sizes and move
00:34:46
a little let's dig into the camera control now that UI is the most fiddly user interface design I've
00:34:52
I've experienced from Apple so you have to double tap it but not tap it you have to double press it
00:34:58
but don't click it and then when you're in there you can swipe left and right and then you can
00:35:04
like tap it again and then you can change some settings and if you want to go back you have to
00:35:09
double press it again but not click it and then you can go back it's very fiddly but I think this
00:35:16
is reviewers syndrome in that we're using it a lot right where realistically I think most people
00:35:23
it remembers the last setting you had it yes so I think most people will have the thing that they
00:35:29
want to do I agree and then change it like for me I expect I will be leaving it on the camera
00:35:35
selection which is point five it's interesting they have camera and zoom they're like different
00:35:39
but the camera selection of point five wanted and I will then just swipe between those and take
00:35:44
picture and I want because really I don't need to change exposure or photographic styles or tone
00:35:52
that often but some people that might be the thing that they want they might want to just swipe
00:35:57
through photo styles and choose one sure the other thing I've noticed as well is when I'm doing that
00:36:01
I quite frequently the way that I'm holding my phone the palm on my thumb touches the display
00:36:08
which in which stops it from working because it's almost like it's trying to like I'm interacting
00:36:16
with the application but again the camera control button great yeah oh yeah I absolutely I like
00:36:23
the button and the UI I think the swiping UI is not a bad idea my problem with it really is I wonder
00:36:30
if when it meets the general public if they're going to say yeah that's not quite the interface we want
00:36:37
but I also agree with you I want to try to tell people about this thing is it's only as complicated as
00:36:43
you want it to be as you need it to be if all you do is press the button and take a picture it's fine
00:36:48
if all you do is do the halfway or that's fine if all you do is the sort of swipe that's fine like
00:36:54
you don't have to be double tap and then move between things and all of that which is good because
00:36:58
it's kind of awkward I actually so I went in to accessibility and changed the amount of pressure
00:37:04
needed for the single like tap to be the lightest and I found that to be better I would also like
00:37:10
to be able to move between the settings with less movement so I was just trying to take a picture
00:37:15
of you there and with my thumb I couldn't get it to squat to swipe between the cameras so whatever
00:37:22
reason it was wasn't enough movement so I would like also to be able to tweak that but that's
00:37:26
all tweakable and I do think the thing that people will most likely want to use it for which is focus
00:37:32
weirdly is not there although I don't know I saw I saw the story that said that they're going to do
00:37:39
a software update yeah down the road yeah that is going to add the halfway to focus idea now the
00:37:44
question is how does that work in a smartphone camera but I think the idea is I think the idea is
00:37:50
that they'll be a focus mode where they will put a focus target on the screen and let you do the
00:37:56
thing because the way it should work is like a camera it should work where if I want to focus and
00:38:01
in the end it may just be setting where the portrait mode is right essentially because you can
00:38:06
change that setting as well but if I want to take a picture of you but I want the couch behind you
00:38:12
to be in the picture what I would do on a regular camera is I would take the crosshair in the middle
00:38:17
and I would put it down at the couch and I go halfway and it would focus on the couch they showed
00:38:23
them you know and then I get back up and then I do it so that's going to happen yeah but it's not
00:38:28
there yet right that's yet another feature and this is one of these themes right now of apple shipping
00:38:34
software that doesn't do all the things they've promised and they're they're we're going to have to
00:38:38
wait for some of this stuff but I do think that that very familiar interaction you know I would argue
00:38:45
maybe that's not an interaction that is necessary but I can also see that if you're trying to emulate
00:38:51
a film camera it is going to make some people feel comfortable yeah one thing that I'm really surprised
00:38:58
by is you can't flip to the front facing camera using the camera control interesting I feel like
00:39:07
that should be in the camera selection so because I can you can take pictures of it so I can flip
00:39:12
it on the screen and I can take pictures of it and but it does and and I can also still do all the
00:39:17
adjustment with it so when you're doing your camera swipe maybe you need to be able to swipe
00:39:21
past what to go to I don't know go from 0.5 and then to front facing I don't know how they would do
00:39:28
that right like I feel like I should be able to to have that control because I can do it's almost
00:39:34
like there are two cameras yeah in a way which is weird like there's two distinct systems because I
00:39:41
can do all the same adjustment on the front facing camera with the camera control but I have to
00:39:46
already be there somehow I find that to be an interesting thing sure I in general with the camera
00:39:56
system I've been happy with the images that I've taken so far again this needs a lot more testing
00:40:03
but I've been doing some side by side and the quality of the force macro mode is higher
00:40:08
in the images that I've tested but the thing for me is I need to take more pictures of people
00:40:13
because that's where I noticed the shadows the most but I do feel confident that I look in it like
00:40:18
being like the tells review I may be able to have a lot more control over this with the photographic
00:40:22
styles which there is again I feel like this year when it comes to the camera Apple have kind of
00:40:31
taken the reins off a little bit because camera control is complex photographic styles also very
00:40:38
complex yes they've done a good job of trying to show you things in a simple way and that little
00:40:44
tone control that they have a little square is nice but is also like a slider yes below it below
00:40:50
it and it's like an apple in the camera control they have two distinct things one called style one
00:40:55
called tone right and you can change those with the camera control but they're both part of
00:41:00
the graphic styles UI and styles of the previews you can swipe through and then tone is the controls
00:41:06
of the button so there's a lot of complexity here I think we'll see how people react to it the thing
00:41:13
that I appreciate is okay so you're Apple this comes up a lot with Apple because they have so many
00:41:20
users at so many different levels and a lot of the criticism Apple receives is from expert users
00:41:27
or advanced amateur users and the problem is most of the people aren't that right that's
00:41:36
the problem is most people aren't that and Apple struggles and and they bring it on themselves right
00:41:44
they want to be the computer for the rest of us right they want to reach the masses yes but it
00:41:48
is hard to make something one thing that is easy for people who want it to be easy but offers an
00:41:58
array of complexity for people who want it to be complex yeah it's very hard to do that and what they
00:42:04
can't do I mean this is this is like okay they added on the Mac in Sequoia they added all the
00:42:11
window management stuff the tiling and we say this when we talk about Sherlocking it's like well
00:42:17
if you want something like boom you know this the Apple's thing doesn't do anything like that well
00:42:21
of course it doesn't because Apple's trying to create something that's for kind of like a regular
00:42:26
person who's never going to download third party software well you see it with the camera control
00:42:32
and you see it with the photos there the camera app in general and the photos app actually is the
00:42:37
same idea which is they're trying to create a setup where if you just don't know anything you can
00:42:45
do what you need to do very easily but that if you want to do a little more it will start to unfold
00:42:52
that's really hard and it will be interesting to see about things like the photographic styles
00:42:59
what form they take because I think ideally if you don't need to know about them you don't worry about
00:43:06
it or if you set it once to go like I like my photos to be more colorful or whatever you set it
00:43:12
once and you forget it and then all your photos are like that can I make another one that that's
00:43:17
actually not the way it works it's time so if you set a photographic style and take a photo of it
00:43:22
the next time you open the camera it goes back to the day you have to go you have to set it
00:43:26
you have to go into settings app and then camera then there's a there's a subsection called
00:43:35
preserve settings and in there is a toggle to turn on photographic styles and then it will
00:43:42
retain the one you set previous default photographic style well there isn't a different no then it will
00:43:46
retain the one you lost the one I thought you could set a default photographic style I don't know
00:43:52
how to do that if you can all right the only way I can get it to do that is to go in and do the
00:43:58
preserve settings yeah so my point is can they make it so that people are happy just clicking and
00:44:04
shooting and make nile patel happy who's somebody who has real opinions about photography it's a good
00:44:10
review it's a really good review um I what it seems like is that nile is happy because and I think
00:44:22
you know you guys are connected to talk about this a lot the increasing feeling that apple processes
00:44:28
its photos so much yeah because they've got a they've got a philosophy that we're going to you
00:44:36
know re expose everything seven times and merge them together so that you can see detail and shadows
00:44:41
and things like that but what you lose is contrast that you somebody I saw a post on mastodon that
00:44:47
was I think it was mastodon that was literally two shots of fog at sunrise in San Francisco and
00:44:54
one of them was the sun is like blown out through the fog and the other one is an apple HDR picture
00:44:59
where you can see the individual wisps and all that and they said the blown out one that came I think
00:45:05
from halide is more accurate to the experience of being there and then apple kind of because the
00:45:12
sun is really bright and shining through and it's sort of blown out gets that effect and apples one
00:45:18
in order to try to retain all of the detail of the clouds has made something that actually doesn't
00:45:23
feel like the real scene so if you're somebody who cares about that kind of stuff having the ability
00:45:29
to set up that sort of thing might take the pressure off where apples like look we have a philosophy
00:45:37
which is capture everything and if you don't like the fact that that dilute or removes contrast
00:45:45
denudes all the contrast from your images and you're left with this kind of grayish haze then change
00:45:52
it right yeah and then we'll let you and that philosophically I think that's really interesting
00:45:58
because it's basically saying okay Nile if our default bugs you change it and then you'll be happy too
00:46:03
but the default I would argue apple feels the default works the best for the majority of people
00:46:10
if we only have one default right the default is the default it needs to be like do no harm and also
00:46:18
please people who will never change any of their settings how do you set that default and I can see
00:46:26
why that default might anger other people so this is very confusing so Zach and the discord has
00:46:34
shown me to a thing in the camera settings called app settings photographic styles where you
00:46:39
can go through like a wizard and choose a style but it doesn't have all the styles in it just has
00:46:45
the tones so I don't I need to dig into this more but like that the setting that I found which is in
00:46:51
camera then preserve settings this photographic style and if you turn that on the one I've sent
00:46:56
in the camera app stick well stick because the ones that they're showing me here in the app
00:47:01
settings section are just the colors like amber gold rose neutral cool but I like the vivid
00:47:09
right yeah and then I've adapted that a little bit okay so quite confusing need to look into that
00:47:16
yeah done started yeah but I the one that I've chosen it now shows up every time which is the vibrant
00:47:24
right and I don't have a justice vibrant a little bit so it's for me the yeah I think when they
00:47:28
introduced photographic styles a few years ago the first version of this they it was a big moment
00:47:35
because Apple was sort of saying okay our look isn't the only look that you could get from a photo
00:47:41
we it's so quaint now almost because we live in an era where their competitors are building AI
00:47:47
cameras where you can change everything and other than editing out background items in cleanup
00:47:54
in 16.1 or sorry 18.1 the Apple and then Apple actually somebody had Apple made a statement about
00:48:05
this to somebody basically said look our philosophy is photos are of things that actually happened
00:48:10
um and there's a lot of there's a lot more room in there right it's like it because the photographic
00:48:16
styles allow you to have it look differently because we all know that there's so many different ways
00:48:21
to capture an image and get different color and a different look and all of that but it's still the
00:48:25
image and if that's their hill to die on I'm okay with it right the idea that we're not going to
00:48:32
have a camera that detects you you in the foreground and puts you in a field yep we're not going to do
00:48:37
that and I'm okay with that and I also really like now that you know if I'm thinking about I think
00:48:44
this is the again the some of the confusion I'm having like so I just went through the wizard and
00:48:48
I can do is change the color yeah and then the color and it saves that as the style but none of those
00:48:54
are the because this is like there's stuff to the left which is colors and it's stuff to the right
00:48:58
which I think called moods they got it undertones and moods uh-huh but aren't they all photographic
00:49:03
styles yeah but in the photographic style section of the camera app all I can change is the undertones
00:49:09
this is confused like but this is what I'm saying about a lot of this stuff okay I feel like
00:49:14
this is good they've kind of let the reins off a bit but in doing that you create a complicated
00:49:21
it's chaos and so like for example what I want to be able to do the photographic style that I've
00:49:27
chosen is like a recipe now in the old version you could save that right can't do that so now I take
00:49:32
an screenshot of my numbers so I could change it back yeah yeah yeah because I would argue that if you
00:49:38
create a photographic style in the camera app and say I like this I want all my photos to look
00:49:42
like this you should be able to tap somewhere yeah and say save this that's mine it's like mine and
00:49:48
then ideally save this and then say save this as make this my default yeah and so maybe they'll get
00:49:53
there again yeah it does feel a little bit unfinished as well like yep oh we got to get this
00:50:00
ready for the new iPhone and there are maybe some pieces that are missing but what I like I said
00:50:05
what I what I do like is that it feels like they're airing on the side of creating a fun a basic
00:50:10
function that everybody can use and then they open the box and see is that not good enough for you
00:50:16
okay and then the other thing that I really appreciate about this new system is that
00:50:21
if I take a photo and I'm not happy with the coloring I'm not happy with the the way that it's
00:50:29
been processed I can now go in back into photographic styles and see if I can fix it yeah we're before
00:50:35
once that photo was processed done yeah the capture the photographic style changed how the photo
00:50:44
was captured it was baked into the image yeah and then all I could do is try and quote and quote save it
00:50:49
in that like dog room yeah now I can go back in to the photo into ample system go back into photographic
00:50:57
styles and see if I can change it so I'm excited about all of this but it's leads to the complexity of
00:51:03
it right but I do feel like just straight out of the camera I'm able to get closer to my desired
00:51:11
color profile of images before I put them through an app like dog room which is my I don't know
00:51:17
too I better my photo choice yeah if you prefer a certain style I like warm colorful yeah you should
00:51:23
be able to dial that in and have all your photos do that without any work because that's it's my
00:51:28
camera and with this yeah you could all you can make the counter argument now which is if your style
00:51:33
is bad and you come to regret it later or somebody else goes oh no no no no we can't use this because
00:51:39
what there's a lot of extra data in there you can change it yeah I want to talk just a little bit
00:51:46
about the physical size of my phone because I have jumped down one yes so you did get you I did try
00:51:51
out that I did hold the 16 pro max it's real big it's big this is a big big big big phone now
00:51:59
it is accentuated right now because I've been using this more because I picked up my 15 pro
00:52:04
max today because I'm still doing all my transfers stuff and it feels big now because I'm getting
00:52:10
used to the pro again but the immediately when you had to be the pro max you're in the podcast
00:52:15
athon I was like oh boy yeah now I stand by them doing this I think make the big phone as big as you
00:52:24
can make it because people want that want that but what I'm happy about is that the small phone is
00:52:29
going a little bit bigger over time yes so for me that's good because I can maybe make that jump and
00:52:33
this is just an experiment like the small phone feels small to me it feels this is a this is a small
00:52:41
phone and it it's already changing my relationship to a little bit what I've noticed of this phone
00:52:48
is I'm kind of like throwing it around more and I don't know why but like if I'm you know I'd like
00:52:53
throw in the bed throw in my pocket like it's more maneuverable it feels fantastic to hold
00:52:59
I like that I can type with one hand really easily but I'm typing the two hands not tripping over
00:53:05
myself yeah thumbs like it's it's not big enough so it still feels good for watching video which
00:53:12
was a big thing for me so I can watch video and that feels good it's definitely different it feels
00:53:18
wonderful with a camera control say that like one-handed photo taken with the camera control is very
00:53:24
doable with this phone not so doable with this phone like if I try and hold it in one hand I do not
00:53:31
feel like I have a good grip on this phone with one hand trying to support with my pinky finger
00:53:37
and that I'm making it work but like I am like whole gripping this phone and what I also know is
00:53:43
I said if I'm touching the screen which I kind of will do to get it that messes with the camera
00:53:48
control a little bit because it's the phone trying to work out where are you controlling this right
00:53:53
exactly um so you know if you want the big phone as I have wanted for many years this isn't even
00:53:59
bigger one but it just so happened that this was I felt myself wanting to change it up a little bit
00:54:05
and I was saying very very happy with this but this feels like a the pro feels like a tiny phone
00:54:10
to know comparatively well it does you adapt and change so that's going to be the thing to watch
00:54:16
is if you can you adapt to it because you know I adapted to the mini mm-hmm and then when I went
00:54:23
off the mini I adapted to the pro and it took it took some adaptation because it's like whoa this is
00:54:30
so big but honestly after like a week or two um and I could type way more accurately on the pro
00:54:36
than I could on the mini that's that's the truth that's the real shame of the mini was that I could
00:54:41
never type accurately on it the keyboard was just so small yeah but um but I got used to it so that's
00:54:47
gonna be the question for you is you live with us for two three weeks and see if yep you can still use it
00:54:54
my startup went really well um actually did something I was able to do this time that I've been
00:54:59
able to do it 20 years so any of my friends who I've been telling this piece of information to
00:55:03
it's wrong now maybe I was able to transfer my eSIM now in previous years that has not worked
00:55:10
at all until I got home right and my expectation was that it needed to connect to my network
00:55:16
you couldn't do that in America but it did it this time so the question is is it connecting to your
00:55:21
network through a partner network in America roaming or is it connecting to your network over the
00:55:26
internet and giving your validation that something's changed something change between like the last two
00:55:32
years that has not worked I've tried and tried and tried and then this I lost year I did it in the
00:55:39
airport and it worked so like it just needed to be able to connect to what I seemed like to my UK
00:55:44
network but it's time it's done and it's it's working everything's fine I've been able to roam and
00:55:49
it's working so I'm happy about that but that's new for me the question my startup went really well
00:55:55
I did the fun fun thing put it overnight I really wished it would transfer apps like it didn't have
00:56:00
to then download the apps from the app store right but this transfer was smooth the one question
00:56:05
I have is why does Apple put garage band on my phone it wasn't there before why did you do that you
00:56:10
put it on the home screen you create a home screen and you put garage band on it yeah I didn't
00:56:15
have it installed so like at what point like I need to we need to speak to the European Union and I
00:56:20
work this is on something and I work I had I had that to I had to pay those apps I had pages and keynotes
00:56:27
and I do not have those on my phone and they were added as well which I I something weird and I
00:56:35
movie as well which I don't have and I think that's one of those weird cases where there are these apps
00:56:44
that are system apps but aren't system apps they're in the app store and used to be you had to
00:56:49
claim them you had to like you got a new computer and it would say you need to put in this you need
00:56:54
to claim them in the app store in order to buy you need to buy them but they come with a purchase of
00:56:59
that and I honestly maybe somebody could tell us maybe Luke of my street can tell us once he's
00:57:05
not the CFO anymore I actually wonder if there's a very specific accounting practice going on back
00:57:11
in the day there were things that Apple like couldn't give you yeah you have to pay for software updates
00:57:17
yeah right and some of that was legal or a band's auxley yes sorry sorry it's auxley exactly whatever
00:57:22
that means I know the words I don't know what it meant it's two guys it's two pulsar bands and I
00:57:27
forget who auction oh is this like how because something I I've found more over the years is like
00:57:33
it's like the smiley terror every lore in the UK is named off to something it's like Verizon Dringo
00:57:39
which I have Ben Thompson talk about almost a weekly basis so yeah so it's a and ZMK is pointing out
00:57:46
the reason the reason your apps don't transfer is that they change what you download based on what
00:57:51
you're to what device you're on I don't care but I would also say what about some logic and say you
00:57:56
know this phone's pretty much like that phone I'm just gonna transfer it over yeah I mean like these
00:58:00
things are like the way I describe a lot of this stuff is none of this stuff happens organically
00:58:05
right there are decisions being made yeah and they could change it they could say you know what we're
00:58:08
going to keep compatibility on the 15 and the 14 so that when we get to the 16 those we'll just
00:58:15
transfer right open how different is slack from one of us to the other right so yes so anyway
00:58:20
I do wonder if there's an accounting issue of some sort where those things because you had to
00:58:25
claim them in the App Store and that they used to be like sold if they're accounting for them as
00:58:29
like when you get a phone you get these apps in a bundle and that we charge against it and that
00:58:35
changes I don't know it's really weird yes he's very sure oh you got a new iPhone his garage and
00:58:41
on your previous iPhone you deleted garage band well here it is you're getting a garage band
00:58:46
enjoy yeah I look forward to playing around with these more I've already noticed as well these
00:58:53
phones charge faster if you plug them in they do up to 45 watt charging yep I plugged my phone in
00:58:58
yesterday it was like 20% I was still using it and it's like five or 10 minutes I 45% battery life
00:59:03
and it's early yet but battery life feels pretty good too so yeah I'm not really making any judgment
00:59:10
on it because I've changed phone you know I got I know yes down so when I I transferred here
00:59:15
oh I mean like and it it just max oh that's right so you can't really say yeah well my yesterday
00:59:21
my battery was getting killed because I was doing an update and downloading all those files and
00:59:25
downloading every podcast and all of those things happening but we'll see the early I'd say early
00:59:32
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you also got the apple watch series 10 I do you wearing it right now I'm wearing it right now I bought
01:00:50
this oh that's your one this is mine I also I also have a review unit but I this was my year
01:00:56
I had a seven wow so I went up to the uh the jet black 10 wearing the seven daily like you
01:01:03
weren't wearing her review no I was wearing the seven titanium which was a treat a treat yourself
01:01:08
moment from three years ago but but now I'm on the on the 10 early thoughts the I know when you look
01:01:19
at it and hold it up it doesn't seem like it's thinner but it really it really is thinner and the
01:01:24
place that it is thinnest I think is the sensor dome doesn't stick out so far and so it the whole watch
01:01:32
feels closer to my wrist it looks nice I think I mean I'm very used to the ultra which is a
01:01:38
big it's so huge so huge but that I'm I am struck by the fact that it looks like your apple watch is
01:01:46
sitting on your wrist exactly which apple watches never look like they don't they don't they are
01:01:50
purchasing on a dome yet like it is flat to your wrist yes which is which is a different look
01:01:56
I think it's much sleeker looking I agree even though and the screen size what do you think of the
01:02:01
screen size you know it's too early for me to tell it's definitely bigger and that's
01:02:06
nice but it also feels not disruptively larger as a watch it it I would say the thing that I've
01:02:13
really noticed is it being very close to my my arm and to the point where I was at one point it
01:02:20
it snuck a little bit up up my arm where the digital crown was close to the bone in my wrist
01:02:26
and I tried to move the digital crown and it was like not moving very much because it was kind of
01:02:31
pushed into my running your own little bit I was I was actually causing trouble there so no it
01:02:38
that change in how it sits on my wrist is the big change the size doesn't feel that dramatically
01:02:44
different although you know I'm sure I will appreciate that extra the extra space on it
01:02:49
I have I have a real good I think relatable way to describe the feeling the size difference
01:02:56
so you gave me yours to try on right and you have a Nike sport band I have with my Apple watch
01:03:04
I have a Nike sport band too I was able to wear your Nike sport band one notch tighter than mine
01:03:12
interesting so you can tell the thinness difference yeah and kind of where it's coming from yeah
01:03:17
that the the watch to skin like the watch attachment to the skin is closer of course I'm
01:03:23
comparing it to an ultra but I don't really know how different that is realistically but like say
01:03:27
from this to that like I could wear the watch tighter because it's not pulling away from my wrist
01:03:33
as much so I found that to be interesting right so it's I got the jet black aluminum so it's shiny
01:03:38
that's aluminium yes that's just I knew that it's like I forgot they did that because when I looked
01:03:44
at this that looks like steel to me because of how shiny right that is very impressive what they've
01:03:51
managed there yeah they should make phones look like that interesting and I think they're gone uh
01:03:56
right someone wrote in about this this might it should be an ask upgrade we'll get to
01:04:01
okay there but yeah let me see and the reason I went down from titanium is as much as I enjoyed
01:04:06
treating myself and the series seven for titanium and it was light and it would look pretty
01:04:10
the truth is the price difference between titanium and aluminum to me is not so great that it justifies
01:04:17
it's too big to justify the difference in the product yeah I guess it's what I was saying and
01:04:23
the honestly the jet black aluminum it looks so great that I thought I'm just going to do aluminum
01:04:27
this time this question came from Matt who says I have a theory that the jet black series 10 is
01:04:32
potentially hint hint at how the iPhone slim will look uh which is rumoured to be made of
01:04:36
aluminum and how it may be finished I think that is a Matt spot on new process right that's a strange
01:04:45
look for aluminum like it's good and shiny this was I made what we were talking about like oh they
01:04:51
would go to aluminum for this incredibly expensive phone you can make it look expensive you've done
01:04:57
50% which is this polishing process that they do yeah now I was I've seen the stainless gold one
01:05:04
I'm convinced that I will be upgrading to that when I get home I think that is incredibly
01:05:09
good looking and this is like that difference for you like for me that's what the actually let's
01:05:14
yeah so we're we're gonna play people who like one apple watch are admiring another apple watch
01:05:20
so you have an ultra and you're admiring the series 10 in gold stainless or gold titanium yep not
01:05:28
stainless gold titanium I will say as a series 10 owner I got to see at the apple store we went to the
01:05:37
the Memphis Tennessee saddle creek in the German town Tennessee apple store with Steven Hackett
01:05:43
driving us around Tennessee um I saw the black series or uh ultra two it looks it's so good it's
01:05:53
incredible and you know as our our team our baseball team the San Francisco giant is our orange and black
01:06:00
orange and black ultra two it's so good oh I do have an orange one well let me tell you this
01:06:09
people who bought an apple watch recently will have will know this the vagaries of what band you can
01:06:14
buy with your apple watch especially if you want it on a certain day because I wanted to pick it
01:06:19
up on Saturday here yep and there were a whole array of bands that I wanted that they're like yeah
01:06:24
that'll be in October I'm like well okay I'm not doing that I'll just buy this fun Nike band that
01:06:30
I'll wear and it's nice but um anyway the ultra two black looks so good and the orange highlights on
01:06:38
it I think just pop it is chef's kiss good I didn't buy it uh I don't I don't want to watch that big
01:06:46
is the bottom line but it looks so good so I love the way the gold looks the the main reason for me
01:06:53
is I think that I think it is clear now that the ultra will not be coming along with the series
01:07:01
the watch series numbers right that it may be in every other year from now on so many years they've
01:07:09
well they've changed it this year right so three years three different three versions in a way
01:07:14
because it's ultra two but black that's right right but it doesn't have all of the new stuff doesn't
01:07:22
have all of the new senses it doesn't and I think that's going to continue yeah no they they said we
01:07:29
talked about this after the event yeah it they described the ultra in not really different terms but
01:07:35
like I think they they specified the ultra is our rugged yeah sports watch yep and what it's not even
01:07:43
though it was this when it was introduced they it was this but it was almost like de facto it was
01:07:49
this which was it was also their biggest screen and their best technology and a whole bunch of
01:07:54
stuff it was the high end apple watch and I think what they're saying is no no no it's not the high end
01:08:01
apple watch it might be the most expensive apple watch but like it's not it's the rugged sports watch
01:08:07
and that's why you get the ultra or because you like the look it's just like and for me it's like
01:08:13
I I wanted this watch because I wanted the battery life and I'm gonna lose that but I figure I gotta
01:08:19
I gotta lose it at some point I think I want to go back to the series 10 I like the way it looks I was
01:08:26
making a funny face because I'm looking at the comparisons because like well what what is different
01:08:29
and it's like you know some of the screen technology is different you know the go the always on is
01:08:34
better one of the the in the features you know the comparison feature breakdowns one of the things
01:08:40
that the apple watch ultra two does that the apple watch series 10 doesn't is high speed water sports
01:08:46
I'm not sure okay what that means and like like like like can you not well it not what what happens
01:08:56
I don't know that's interesting right because like okay recreational scuba I get that right like
01:09:02
it has a better depth gauge I understand that the snorkelers watch but what is high speed water sports
01:09:08
and why does this one do those I guess I can I can understand what I can imagine what they are
01:09:15
but like what in the ultra supports that better who knows you know I want to make a note about
01:09:22
watch faces because this is where I learned in my product briefing as well about this so
01:09:30
the new always on display has improvements including second by second update which means that
01:09:38
you can have a timer and look down and it will theoretically tell you the time even when like a second
01:09:47
even when I want that because that happens to me all the time I'm clicking and like I'm looking at my
01:09:51
watch but it's not on yeah and then I get like full so it can refresh yeah it can refresh by second
01:09:56
yeah and that's great that's great for one second refresh rate fantastic and they they said in the
01:10:00
keynote and look at these great faces we had that face with a thing kind of the second hand is
01:10:05
essentially a like a water wave thing that kind of pops up higher higher higher until the the
01:10:10
minute changes and then we've got this other face that is that is new that has the ticking second
01:10:18
hand and it you know it's a smooth movement until it goes to sleep at which point it becomes a
01:10:25
ticking second hand and it keeps ticking whereas on the old watch faces you know because they couldn't
01:10:32
do always on at a second update the second hand just vanished here's the thing and it speaks to a
01:10:39
one of these things apple doesn't want to talk about but I think we need to talk about
01:10:45
which is the real skeleton in the closet of watch OS which is the watch face development design
01:10:53
we've for it's been 10 years folks the pace of apple watch face development is poor but poorer still
01:11:02
is the fact that after apple builds a face they very rarely ever change it even to get new features
01:11:09
and if you think about that it's kind of bananas because on iOS and macOS generally if there's a
01:11:17
brand new feature to the OS they like add support to it to like their apps and stuff but if you're using
01:11:25
and want to still use a an apple watch face not introduced this year that has a second hand on it
01:11:35
when it goes into always on mode on the series 10 the second hand disappears
01:11:42
instead of ticking I don't understand how that has happened only the three faces they introduce this year
01:11:49
use the always on display with the ticking second it's showing it's it suggests to me that the
01:11:56
development of these watch faces is based on a rickety system yes because that's what I mean about
01:12:02
the skeleton the closet here is why why shouldn't that what is the watch looking like it's so there
01:12:09
are two watch faces for every watch face essentially there is the on and the always on yeah right that
01:12:14
seems to me what they're doing because what should happen is all of these elements should be defined
01:12:19
and they just work within an API like so second hand does it tick what watches it on you know like that
01:12:26
that kind of a thing so it suggests that they have built this contraption to build watch faces
01:12:32
that is rickety and they have an updated it and they're just some of the older faces don't support
01:12:38
the newer complications exactly but you can still use those watch faces right but they use the they
01:12:42
don't use the new yeah exactly my beloved watch face utility that is my favorite is utility
01:12:49
and I don't use it as much because it doesn't have the same complications so I'm on California
01:12:56
and I like utility better utility looks better but it won't do the corner complications in the same
01:13:02
way that California will it will do one at the bottom instead of the two corners and that is
01:13:06
entirely which makes me believe honestly Mike it makes me believe that the watch faces themselves
01:13:12
are so brittle that they can't change them to behave differently on different models have to
01:13:18
stay like when they've done the updates they probably just start it over yeah right or they're like
01:13:23
well no we can't have this face beyond this model and then this face behaves differently on this
01:13:29
model it must stay the same throughout and if that I don't know if that's the case or not in
01:13:33
somebody Apple might say no no no that's not it at all but here's the thing we can speculate about
01:13:39
why it is this way but it shouldn't be this way that's the bottom line is is you can and I'd love
01:13:48
to know but it's an excuse it's an excuse and and I know people will probably who are listening
01:13:53
to this will say oh but it's always been like this like yes I know it's always been like this
01:13:57
but the way it is is wrong Apple introduced the ability this year on the series 10 to have your
01:14:04
watch tick second by second what a great thing because that's how watches work you should do that
01:14:09
and it should do that and now it's capable of doing that and they have an array of watch faces with
01:14:13
hands and only three of them do it it is stupid a three like why only the new ones they didn't
01:14:22
update all the old ones and like look I'm arguing with an imaginary Apple person now but I'm just
01:14:30
going to say it I'm sure that if somebody who works on watch faces came and talked to me in secret
01:14:35
they'd be like Jason oh oh my god you don't understand my explanation I'm just I'm sure but bottom
01:14:40
line as a user and a reviewer of the products if you introduce a watch screen that can tick when it's
01:14:48
sleeping once a second every watch face you make that shows seconds should show seconds because
01:14:55
that's a feature you're telling me that I have but now I have to I don't want to change the watch face
01:15:02
to get that I don't like their new watch face that it has a second hand that that that ticks I don't
01:15:08
like it yeah it doesn't show numbers I want my watch face to have the little numbers on it and look
01:15:12
like my old Swiss army watch and modular does that I can coerce California to more or less do that
01:15:17
but why is it that they have all these faces that I kind of like but I can't use because the
01:15:23
complications aren't compatible because it doesn't support my new watches display so whoa get with
01:15:29
the program use this new one like why is it like this so I didn't know that I was coming for watch
01:15:34
faces today but it's one of those things that we can we can praise the hardware but like how do you
01:15:39
build hardware like that if I was I'll put it another way if I was the person who finally got the
01:15:45
Apple Watch after 10 years to be always on and it can tick every second we put so much work into
01:15:53
this into the display controller into the screen itself into the battery and the energy consumption
01:15:59
and this is so much so that the so that the Apple Watch can finally tick this is the thing that we've
01:16:04
been talking about for 10 years it can tick on the second and then there's somebody in watch faces
01:16:10
who's like yeah we're not gonna do that we'll give you three we'll give you three yeah that's bad
01:16:15
it's bad so I don't know what they're doing there but it's they messed it up it's it's a this is
01:16:20
just fundamentally like the software is letting down the hardware which if I'm being honest is the
01:16:26
story of the last 10 years for Apple is that their hardware game is pretty much perfect and their
01:16:31
software game can't keep up I will provide a slight balance to just again extoll the virtues of the
01:16:39
new photos face it isn't it my Apple Watch has become an instant joy machine it's so good I mean
01:16:45
this is and it's the same technology that they put two years ago into the iPhone lock screen and
01:16:50
last year into the iPad lock screen it's what they call photo shuffle on the on the lock screen and
01:16:55
you can choose these categories yeah people pets places like cities and nature yeah and you can
01:17:02
choose you know I have my wife cities and nature and every every day it seems like at some point
01:17:11
I think it's midnight in GMT for me because it happens at like a weird time in the afternoon while I'm
01:17:16
here it seems to load a new set of maybe 10 images and you can tap through them or every time you
01:17:24
raise your wrist you see a shuffle is through them and the you can also you can also select up to 25
01:17:29
yeah and and have a set yourself but you can use this other mode which I didn't even know was there
01:17:34
in the watch app that lets you do this which I think is is the way to do it so this is the surprise yeah
01:17:40
it's the thing that um it's one of those things where there's complexity but it's delightful and
01:17:46
and I wrote a whole piece about this about how my wife what Lauren didn't know that these features
01:17:52
existed because she just uses her iPhone the way she's always used it and when I said oh no we
01:17:57
can set it up so that our kids are on your lock screen and there's a new one every time and that
01:18:02
was I mean we were in in Eugene Oregon when we did that and it was winter so that was probably like
01:18:08
a year and a half ago and to this day she picks up her phone in the morning goes oh look at this one
01:18:15
like it's magical and it's one of those ways where Apple is trying to surface we have this
01:18:21
controversy where people are like I want photos to be utilitarian but it's like but no you want
01:18:25
photos to be you want to photos to recommend things to you right well this is a great place for
01:18:30
photos ability to find pictures of people or pictures of interesting you know things cities
01:18:37
nature whatever it is pets and automatically delight you on your wrist in your case it's great
01:18:45
because this is a picture of Adina from oh it's gone now from like 2014 or whatever and they
01:18:50
or like this one is I don't know where that is but they put the time behind the thing that all of
01:18:55
that's doing so well and you get two complications which is not enough but enough I've got the weather
01:19:02
and I've got the date and then what I love I love the new widgets because I get so much stuff
01:19:07
in that little stack now watch yours 11 incredibly good fantastic operating system vitals is great
01:19:16
I really like this system I'm loving the ability for if your phone's running a live activity it pushes
01:19:23
you I said I the arson score but tap my watch it's like it's a live activity I care about it maybe
01:19:29
I want it on my wrist too my only thing here I'm going to complain about watch a west again I love
01:19:36
having a clock with hands on my on my wrist but when it goes into the stack mode if you're using
01:19:43
a watch with hands it shows you a little tiny watch with hands at the top and I don't think that a
01:19:50
tiny with no numbers watch is what I want there I want the time I like that they have decided to
01:19:58
be able to pick visually match them yeah but yeah you should be able to say thanks but I would
01:20:03
prefer something if you're going into that mode I just want the digital time I don't I don't want
01:20:07
hands at that point so if I'm myself rolling out of it but like having having it there is really
01:20:12
nice for that and that's an option you can turn it off but I really like that so if I was going to
01:20:17
make one a feature request for this incredible new watch face I would like to be able to choose
01:20:23
and more choices for the typography style I am because I really like the usually use on my main
01:20:30
home screen but I'm in my recording focus right now so it's different I use Apple's New York font
01:20:35
for the time I think it's a beautiful serif that they've made and it looks wonderful in luxurines
01:20:40
and stuff like that but that's not a doesn't I have not found any options to make changes to the new
01:20:46
focus face and I would like to be able to set it in New York because I think it looks really good.
01:20:49
All right and I've got one thing I want to show you just because so this is my lock screen on my
01:20:55
on my iPad yeah and the thing that I didn't realize you're talking about segmenting subject so that
01:21:02
they can you have a person or a mountain or something like that and then the time is like hiding
01:21:05
behind it here's a thing that I didn't know which is when I swipe down notification center on my
01:21:09
iPad yeah as as it fades in the time comes down right at the top it's on the top and as it drops
01:21:18
behind the mountain on my lock screen oh it tucks in it tucks in behind it it's almost like
01:21:24
so you're you're there's a mountain in the sky and your lock screen time is like talking
01:21:32
itself in between the sky in the mountain like it's recognized those two legs that's very good yeah
01:21:37
that's unnecessary but it's fantastic it's amazing so yeah you love you love to see a good job and
01:21:42
that's all based on portrait mode essentially they have built this system in portrait mode to do
01:21:47
subject detection and then from that comes like 40 other features including spatial photos in
01:21:54
a vision OS 2 where you can spatialize a photo it's all of that it's it's the working backwards
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from understanding how to do portrait mode right which again initially was a physical thing they
01:22:05
had to do then they built a software version of it right in that way like where it was completely fake
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for review I did and just before we started today we both tried them on to see what we thought about
01:24:04
the the fit the feel and the noise cancellation from my perspective the noise cancellation pretty good
01:24:12
like better than I ever could have imagined you could do about seal but it reminded me of a problem
01:24:18
that I had with the original air pods doesn't sit in my left ear and I can even have just their pods pro
01:24:24
so they go in but my left ear eventually it's gonna come out but as soon as I put the air pods for
01:24:29
in you saw me I was like what that doesn't say for all so again I think it's a lot with these things
01:24:35
it's all with all the air pods lying really you're going to find something that fits you it's not
01:24:40
necessarily going to be the same for everyone but I'm now happy I'm very happy that they have made a
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version of iPods with noise cancellation for the people who cannot suffer with the tips and years
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yeah yeah it's I need to spend more time I will actually use it on the plane as well and try that's
01:24:59
good you know because we we're in studio put it in a couldn't hit a condition yeah it's it's
01:25:05
pretty good it's it's better it's not airpods pro right it's and it isn't priced that way
01:25:10
but they're doing some noise cancel noise canceling and you know the fit ideally the fit is still pretty
01:25:15
good where it's snug enough in your ear it's not rattling around it's pretty close it's making most of
01:25:19
a seal and then there is also the um you've got the uh the transparency mode to let which does help
01:25:27
because it's most of a seal then it passes through when it sounds good yeah it's it's I almost want to
01:25:34
say like it's better than you could expect from air pods regular air pods right like it it's great
01:25:41
that they had that as a feature especially if you prefer strongly prefer regular air pods so maybe
01:25:48
some more on that later on yeah I want to do some follow up it's cool but it's it's a godum and I'm
01:25:54
trying them and I'm it's it's interesting let's finish out with some ask upgrade
01:25:59
and then asks how useful is camera control with left-handed usage I'm left-handed and love the
01:26:06
action button to control the camera is it's direct than my thumb when taking the photos from my
01:26:11
pocket is the camera control is quick and easy for point and shoot pictures I think so so I think
01:26:17
what Arjan is thinking is if you hold it just in the left hand and I found in portrait mode it's
01:26:23
fantastic my my middle finger is right there right over it and even if in left-handed mode you could
01:26:29
kind of do it in a in a different way maybe you're kind of grabbing the phone with with the uh you
01:26:34
kind of looking at the screen you hand around the screen uh it works like I I found it again I'm
01:26:40
using the pro I think harder on the pro max but even you could kind of grab it and use your thumb
01:26:46
and it kind of hold it up from the yeah I think yes I would say we both take pictures of each
01:26:51
other right now which you could probably see in the video version but yes I think it works great
01:26:55
left-handed or right-handed um for for usage so yeah I think so I think you'll be happy either way
01:27:01
however you use the phone you'll be happy with that I mean I hold my phone in my left hand
01:27:05
do you speak about it anywhere I don't really know what I do I think I don't have a specific like
01:27:12
a particular thing that I think I kind of do both Tom asks do you think Apple avoided mentioning the
01:27:18
two sizes of the series 10 during the event because it's confusing to say a bigger screen ever
01:27:23
and available in 42 and 46 millimeter models especially when the ultra is 49 millimeters which
01:27:28
first the case size but does everybody know that this is an interesting thought to me I think
01:27:34
I'm not sure if the size difference between the two models was the reason but I do think it's if
01:27:40
they would have spoken about the millimeter sizes it would have become complicated and so they
01:27:46
kind of just found the easiest way out was to say this is the biggest ever and not really talk about
01:27:51
the sizes yeah I I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the ultra I don't think
01:27:56
they're worried was oh wait they said 49 but how can it be 49 but the 46 is bigger I don't think
01:28:04
that's it for screen I do think if some of the superlative claims you're making are about it being
01:28:11
the biggest Apple watch screen ever if you mention if you talk about it like it comes in two sizes
01:28:18
you then have to say the biggest one is the biggest one and this one is the biggest of all the
01:28:25
smaller ones and like and I think that was a level of complexity that they didn't want so I think
01:28:29
that's probably part of the reason yeah I still think they messed up though I agree I think you
01:28:34
got two phones you should or two watches you should mention them yeah deal with the complexity of it
01:28:38
yeah say I mean say that for our smaller model it's also the biggest in that class yeah okay it's
01:28:44
not that it's not that hard I think they I wonder what they think right I wonder if they think it
01:28:49
was greatly nailed it or or not because I think this event aired too far on the side of lack of
01:29:01
detail and I know people said it was boring and all of that I mean I guess whatever it's a commercial
01:29:07
you're watching for two hours I guess it is how exciting these but like I didn't say you have two
01:29:13
watches yeah yeah it feels like you should mention that yeah mine I feel like my main criticism about
01:29:19
the event was more that it was weird and confusing than it was like boring also I mean the truth is
01:29:25
for a lot of us tech people the most boring stuff was replaying iOS and Apple Intelligence because
01:29:32
that's all just a rerun I knew some but they have to do it right because they want to reach all the
01:29:37
people who don't watch it would be irresponsible it would be but and that and that's why a lot of the
01:29:42
commentators who said it was boring I don't give a lot of credit to because they're people who are
01:29:48
paying attention in June yeah if a regular person thinks it's boring okay that's a bigger problem but
01:29:54
they're trying to introduce Apple Intelligence still I think ultimately I don't think they they
01:29:58
needed to overcomplicate it in order to detail some stuff that they omitted that were strange
01:30:06
omissions like you know and maybe there's some production issues with some of the stuff too I
01:30:10
think it would have been great if they had actually said you know it's coming out the OS's are coming
01:30:16
out next Monday and they didn't say that either right so they just some weird omissions there I
01:30:20
wonder if they could maybe add in a little more detail next time right this is a longer question
01:30:27
but I think it's a good one comes from Daniel the capacitive surface on the camera control button
01:30:31
shows that Apple is willing to place touch sensors inside side buttons on the iPhone given that
01:30:37
combined with the rumors about a thinner 17 air model next year and Apple's ongoing efforts
01:30:43
to reduce the size of the notch autonomic island do you think it's possible Apple would remove
01:30:49
the larger facetie sensor array and instead put a fingerprint sensor on the iPhone's side button
01:30:54
to achieve ultimate edge-to-edge full-screen glory oh interesting well what I would say is
01:31:05
that iPhone slim air whatever is a new product and all bets are off it's going to be weird
01:31:14
so if they decided that it was way better space-wise to biometr the biometrically authenticate via
01:31:23
a touch ID button on the side instead of putting sensors behind the glass I'm sure they weighed it
01:31:34
that you know and decided that we don't know what they decided but it's possible right like I feel
01:31:40
like we don't know but I'm sure they thought about that that could we make this really edge-to-edge
01:31:49
and and take the dynamic the dynamic always be there in software I expect when they when they
01:31:56
got to we're going to make the dynamic island there were two paws there were we're going to continue
01:32:00
with face ID or we're going to change it yeah right and like they decided to continue which I think
01:32:05
is the right move I prefer face ID same I prefer touch ID on an iPad interesting but face ID the
01:32:16
iPad doesn't the iPad doesn't recognize me as often and then this is not an issue I have in my
01:32:21
mini because I pressed the button to turn it on and sure that's fair right if you're using it in a
01:32:26
keyboard face ID is better if you're using an iPad it shows an iPad touch ID is better interesting
01:32:31
okay I don't I find I don't think I agree but I can see how there are different use cases there
01:32:36
I know that for the phone a lot of people are like wearing gloves and stuff and it's really nice to
01:32:41
even you know not to have because you can wear the gloves that will let you run touch screen but
01:32:46
they're not going to read your fingerprint so face ID is really nice for that other people have
01:32:52
you know we do have the ability to do face coverings now with with face ID so there's that
01:32:56
it's an interesting question because I think it goes back to the fact that this product if it exists
01:33:03
is going to be the result of lots of conversations just like this one where just because we've
01:33:09
had it before doesn't mean I mean think about the iPhone 10 right the iPhone 10 the whole conversation
01:33:15
was let's do face ID instead of touch ID and what does that mean and they put a notch on the screen
01:33:25
eventually it moved to being the dynamic island so they're gonna they're gonna go through all of those
01:33:31
things and stuff's gonna get left out stuff's gonna get changed and that's all in the interest of
01:33:36
making a very different piece of hardware yeah this could be it or yeah or not because because the
01:33:42
question I think it's a absolutely legitimate question to ask the question is I'm sure they tried
01:33:47
both things and found one of them better and I don't know which one that is because the iPhone 10
01:33:52
was the foundation of iPhones for the future yeah I think this slim phone could be yeah if you can
01:33:58
because you can you can take the logical path of well they have to make everything thinner so
01:34:03
they can fold it yes and it is that maybe the future of the iPhone right or at least a future
01:34:10
of the iPhone and and what we learned too is if you can make it at scale with all these thinner
01:34:17
accessories in it thinner components that will have knock on effects where they will build all
01:34:24
these things with the small components and then in a year or two they'll say well we've we've got
01:34:29
all this skill with assembling based on these small components that we buy in huge volumes so we
01:34:35
might as well use them elsewhere and everything else starts to use them and maybe gets a little
01:34:40
thinner and lighter themselves and like it keeps going and certainly if they're going to do
01:34:45
folding phones having a thinner base that they can fit their content in so that they can then
01:34:50
you know fold it up on another one because you don't want that sandwich to be too thick so
01:34:55
it's a great idea I don't know the answer right that that's that's the question is
01:35:00
and on top of that too is also the question of are there other sensors they could use behind the
01:35:06
screen could they use a sensor behind the screen that I think and have the dynamic I think that the
01:35:11
goal of the face ID is to put it behind the screen and I know there's been there's been talking of
01:35:16
them trying that is it possible right and what's the and what's the thickness issue in the end some
01:35:23
of them may just simply be you know right it's better to put that biometric authentication hardware
01:35:31
behind a button that sticks out of the phone then it is to put it in right behind the screen there
01:35:38
but that's the question is yeah which one makes the thing thinner I would expect touch I didn't
01:35:44
make the phone because because if you could put the camera behind the screen and you could put
01:35:48
the biometrics in the button you might be able to make the dynamic island be you know a software
01:35:54
only feature that appears when you've got well it would it would exist for live activities right
01:36:00
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