536: Ethel Cain Interview! On Knowing When to Apologize & When to Stand Firm
Update: 2025-07-30
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The singer discusses returning to the spotlight following a successful debut, an ambient detour and some recent controversy.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything
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