In this episode, Leslie and Lisa discuss gaming addiction with Jordan Anderson. They explore why gaming is compelling, such as providing escapism and allowing the creation of new identities. The conversation addresses toxic behavior and bullying in online communities and the impact of gaming on mental health and development. Jordan shares his personal experience with gaming addiction, emphasizing the importance of developing other skills and finding purpose. They discuss the desensitization to violence and detachment from reality due to gaming, particularly concerning the community regarding conscientious objection and the implications for young people in a draft. The episode stresses the importance of self-reflection, seeking help, and choosing appropriate games for children. It highlights the need for parental involvement and awareness of online dangers. The discussion concludes by reflecting on the importance of love and support for those struggling with addiction.